RANT - TONEWOOD and more

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[@acidoxyde]

seems like this is turning into a weekly show and I'm here for it lol

[@GregMerritt-ws8tq]

Same

[@Tbear79]

Perfect video. Everything matters. Especially if it matters to the player. Well done Henning.

[@azgast]

When somebody starts talking about guitar tone I usually abruptly interrupt and ask “are you talking about laptone, DI-tone, amptone, cabtone or mictone?”. For some reason these discussions tend to be quite short. Now I can add “or maybe you are talking about guitar SOUNDS?” to the mix.

[@SlimeyGuitarStrings]

To me sound is something you hear. To me, tone is the end result of a series of variables that change how a guitar sounds and reacts while playing it. So it starts with a string which has frequencies, those frequencies run through the pickups, guitar electronics, pedals, preamp, pedals, Poweramp, speaker or whatever the signal path is. I fundamentally believe in tone wood because if you play two electric guitars that sound different unplugged and then plug them in, they sound different and both react closer to how they react unplugged. Now it's possible to put a guitar through a high output pickup, a tubescreamer, and then into a high gain amp. At that point the wood doesn't matter that much. But if it's a guitar direct into a cleaner small amp then you will hear a difference.

[@SlimeyGuitarStrings]

I just finished the video First, I loved the discussion about additive synthesis and thought that was really interesting. That's also similar to the way some of the great boutique acoustic builders speak about guitars like Dana Bourgeois and Robin Boucher. Finally, I have personally noticed a huge difference in transient response in guitars with different fretboards. I doubt it's just me, but rosewood sustains more, ebony has a quicker transient, and maple is slower and more mid focused.

[@ithemba]

I wanna respectfully disagree about your take "if you play two electric guitars that sound different unplugged and then plug them in, they sound different and both react closer to how they react unplugged" - take two strats with different body woods and fretboards but comparable output PUs, put them through the same (loud!) amp and the difference in the actual amplified signal (which is all anybody will be able to hear) will be virtually the same. For a person playing, as long as it's not mind numbingly loud rock band volume, you'll still be influenced somewhat by the acoustics you'll hear and that makes a difference which is real and informs our way of playing. but all that goes away as soon as you're loud enough or use in ear monitoring or stuff like that.

[@mark.guitar]

@@ithemba You are right, as far as you go, but have missed the inspiration that comes from the "feel factor". It is not possible to find this with a frequency response chart. As a guitarist I play better when the guitar resonates in a way that is comfortable to play. Sound? EQ, compression, fx, amp, speakers(heck yeah!), mic/DI, desk... These two concepts cannot be reduced to a single thing, no matter how many people say so.

[@seanzinger]

KLANGFARBE is the best word ever for tone

[@ithemba]

I am of the opinion that tone and tonewood is a very misunderstood thing in most settings of guitarists arguing. my own obervations, from playing for 20 years and having worked as a live engeneer for hundreds of shows, are as follows: while sitting down alone, at home or in a very controlled environment as well as rather quiet, you get to hear a big chunck of acoustic resonance of the actual guitar. I think this very much plays into our feelings about a guitar while playing: it feels as if it sounds more "lively". Or warmer or less warm. HOWEVER, as soon as you play in a band setting on stage volume, all that goes away. For the audience or even the engeneer there is *no* discernable difference as long as the PUs are comparable. So: for the question of wether you like a guitar, "tonewood" can actually play a huge role, since most of us spent more time with our guitars on our own, on room volume, than blasting through a tube amp playing against a rock drum kit directly behind us. But it's nothing that will ever get picked up by anyone else than the person playing the thing.

[@aavavertu229]

Most people debating about tonewood miss the obvious. Do the pickups installed in a given guitar react to vibrations of the guitar body or just the strings? Especially with unpotted pickups the body resonances are picked up, therefore the woods have some impact on the sound. Most modern wax potted pickups do not seem to have this characteristic.

[@SteamvilleQuintet]

Great film - yes, we play the way our tools make us feel!

[@terryenglish7132]

The next G7 summit everyone should wear whatever these things are.

[@jpmosher6508]

Electric guitar "TONE" is what you get when you manipulate the electrical signal that is produced by the interaction between the strings and the magnetic field of the pickups. Acoustic guitar “Tone” is the manipulation of the strings (i.e. gauge) and wood (i.e. density and thickness).

[@catscrash1]

Thanks for your thoughts on that. I totally agree.... but also think about the dentist (I am not) just wanting to have fun with and relax by playing guitar in the basement, just annyoing his wife and kids. I am engineer and for me playing guitar is mainly a hobby to enjoy music for myself and relax. I also play in church (but for this I do not need an amp at all) and once in a while I shred out with a friend together to our favorite songs or some backing tracks. We want to have the low-end, we do not care about the mix, we want to have fun ;-) I guess (hope?) I am not alone with "not being a mainly-active musician but just a hobbiest". For me it was a rabbit hole approaching the electric guitar world coming from classical guitar (btw. it was mainly due to your channel, Henning, 10 years ago). In classical guitar, it is all about tonewood :-) It is you and your guitar and what you pay for is what you get. But I like big bass (wasn't there a song...?) and distortion from guitar, so let's continue chasing the perfect sound ....or was it tone now? More of these insights are highly appreciated!

[@felipeacevedoromero5707]

"all the low end..." "we are going to EQ the lowend out anyway!" YES! yes and yes, it does not matter!!!!!

[@hipworkproject]

sound you can buy for tone you have to work ...its that simple

[@mark.guitar]

Pt2. Speaking as a luthiery teacher, the bits of wood interact with each other and all the other components on the guitar, more so on an acoustic. When these interactions emphasise each other you will get a "resonant" guitar. When they cancel out the result sounds dead. A friend and I took a batch of 12 Squier strats (consecutive serial numbers) and swapped the necks around. We improved the batch overall, going from 4 "dead as a dodo" to just one. We found one combination that was far more responsive than any of the others. That guitar got a pup upgrade...

[@JoeBaermann]

Did you play them so loud that you couldn’t hear the acoustic from the instrument itself besides making sure no other factor had influence on the difference? Could also be interesting to know how many parts that body was made of, Fender does not shy of from doing 7-9 piece bodies nor adding a veneer to cover it.

[@mark.guitar]

@@JoeBaermann These 12 were all 2 or 3 piece black gloss bodies with no veneer on and the necks were all maple/maple. Not sure why you think we would need to play them that loud to see how well they played. We plugged them into a Roland Cube 60 and ranked each combination of neck and body on how good it FELT when it was PLAYED. How they sound depends much more on the cable, amp, speaker and room acoustics. My Pt1 post asks why we think we can compare two blatantly different things as though they were the same.

[@JoeBaermann]

@@mark.guitar You do know why you should play that loud, hearing the actual acoustics and not only what comes out of the speaker will have an impact. But I can understand why you would want to have that when hearing both while playing. Maybe I misunderstood, but the body doesn’t add much to playability unless there are variations in neckpocket and bridge placement. Was there much difference in weigth or bodyshape/ contour for it to matter? As for the veneer on the front and back thing, Fender uses it both with solid as transparent paints.

[@mark.guitar]

@@JoeBaermann I have taught Luthiery for over a decade. This was just before I took up my teaching post so they were not the current model. We didn't care about what the sound was like as that is not too important through a 10w Squier practice amp in a noisy classroom. We wanted all playing as well as possible so that pupils didn't have to fight a naff guitar. The quality of the "sound" is a completely separate issue to this. The sustain did change measurably with different necks on the same body.This has to do with the resonances and how they interact and was one measure of how "live" each guitar was. The bodies were from consecutive serial number guitars, definitely had no veneer in their construction and were not noticeably different in weight. Hope that answers all the q's!

[@JoeBaermann]

@@mark.guitar Thanks for elaborating. 🫶 The veneers are not a bad thing, they are sheets of real maple. Probably nothing wrong with multiple pieces either, saves resources, as long as they are assembled correct with the good glue, but I still think they should have been used on much cheaper guitars than even the player series, especially considered what Squier offers, or what descent ready to work on bodies cost. Just seen a Fender signature models body made out of 7 pieces, had to be stripped for a repaint since the paintjob or it’s prep was bad too.

[@amirigra7515]

I wish both of you will film a short series with Glenn and Collin from CSGuitars to explore the contribution of different parts in signal chain to sound and tone from both a musician and engineer standpoints. The complete guitar tone nerd-out.

[@JoeBaermann]

Some also comes from perception upon price and not playing so loud that it isolates the acoustic sound comming from the instrument. Also quite interesting to se how companies marketing departments used the tonewood argument over decades.

[@derkranich33]

Was für ein Nerd-Talk! Ich lieb's! Hab unglaublich viel gelernt in diesen 90 Minuten! Danke dafür!

[@EytschPi42]

Das freut mich sehr!

[@Burbund]

Personaly number one thing about a guitar for me is playability and comfort

[@NCWEBM]

Best video to watch while restringing my beloved 90's plywood Strat 😂

[@rumy6871]

Tonewood is real. Got a stiff feeling in my jeans when my new Les Paul arrived. 🙂

[@ESP77769]

I was going to mention how people forget the speaker setup!! There are many factors that alter tone/sound. Here's two beginning and end result tone differences people over look: strings/picking technique, and your amp/cab/speaker setup!! Also, listen to a "tonewood" video demo, listen on a good pair of headphones, then on the crappy mobile phone speakers we have today. Major difference. And of course the player, and how the player is feeling at the moment!!

[@robertolsen9721]

Last time I was listening to the RR Ozzy albums I was thinking the guitar sound wasn't that great. Worth to mention is also that my favorite album is "Bark at the moon" and don't listen so much to the prior albums.

[@1980JPA]

As a musician who learned other instruments before guitar, I still can't help wanting to scream that a tone is a frequency, a note. ONE note. A tone. I have relaxed on that and just let guitar players use it to mean "how my guitar sounds right now".

[@Alteruss]

I guess word timbre doesn't have enough power to sell guitars.

[@shinyfret69]

Getting such intricate terminology correct is a pretty high expectation for an industry which still hasn't learned the correct use of tremolo and vibrato.

[@1980JPA]

@@shinyfret69 🤣 now I feel foolish for having such high expectations. I though more about ut last night. I was trying to be charitable by thinking that guitar players are musicians, but then I looked at my guitar "sheet music". Realized it's cave drawings in comparison to all my other sheet music. 😁. Now that u add your logic I realize my expectations were way too high.

[@1980JPA]

@@Alteruss 🤣👍🏾

[@Sticky_Tea]

​@@Alteruss tonetimber for a better timbre?

[@svenjeschke5025]

What matters even more than sound or tone are these cute little kittens at the end of the video. Support your local animal shelter!

[@dryzd]

Awesome video! One my comment to replacing pickups to guitar that I don't gel with it. I bought Jackson Warrior WR7 and I replaced Dimarzio Imperium to Hathor (Polish brand!) Razorwire and it was better but empty A string had some high pitch noise sound that I didn't like it. Then I changed to Hathor 8 Bucker and now It's my favorite guitar I have in my arsenal. Additionally I changed Floyd rose 1000 (I hate those, they are shit) to Gotoh GE1996T 7 and strap locks are in different positions. Sometimes modding guitar make sense. No I love it a lot.

[@jjcollins]

Thank you for mentioning Randy Rhoads. Randy was one of my heroes and one of the reasons why I started playing guitar. His two albums with Ozzy are magical, with songs that inspired a generation of guitar players. While the songs and playing are legendary, many people will say his "tone" sounded like crap. He was even noted at times saying he was unhappy with his sound as well. Some love it, and some hate it. I think that even though it is a "nasally" kind of tone, I do love it and can definitely appreciate it. As you mentioned, most of the people that bought and loved those albums, love the music overall and dont care about the guitar tone.

[@lekkerblankastudio]

i think he sounds alot better after touring on the live album

[@MikeGgeetar]

Everything is important, everything makes a difference, obviously, of course it does! "Can you provide evidence?" "Stop being a denier you meanie!"

[@cirisirpula152]

I got an HB fusion. It was nice, but it was very quiet acoustically compared to the other electric I had. It really felt dead and I returned it because it just didn't feel inspiring

[@jasonbone5121]

A Harmonic EQ is what we need. Programable sliders to select which harmonics and how many db. Move the fundamental note slider and it doesn't alter the fundamental freq, but instead, alters the selected harmonics and desired ratio of db pre harmonic.

[@JimijaymesProductions]

possible in digital but extremely complex because it needs to chase fundamentals in real time.

[@RealROCKnROLLA]

How many thousands of guitars do big brands produce every year? Gibson, fender, Ibanez, Cort. You think they have not studied the properties of tone woods? They will do anything for a good marketing. If wood would do something, the companies would operate with a real data from their research: they would show the charts, frequency response graphs and so on. The most unique guitars would be sold for 20-30 grands. But no, the best take on it is "trust me, I can hear a difference". All those exotic woods series from PRS, Fender - they all sound like a guitar in the end...

[@guyfawkes8873]

Tonewood is bs. Wood making a difference in tone is not. The thing is, there is no magical wood that will make everything sound better to everyone. There are just minor differences dependant on hardness, stiffness, weight, moisture content, oil content, etc. and some like some stuff and others like other stuff. The problem is marketing really wants to sell ‘prettier’ or ‘more expensive’ woods as ‘tonewood’, when they are in fact just ‘wood’. This disrupts the entire debate as it’s no longer a case of ‘yeh I like pine body teles’ but rather on of ‘believing that AAA flameD maple sounds better than double A’ which is just retarded.

[@StupidGuitar]

@@RealROCKnROLLA that’s funny to me. You think companies are profit driven. If they really were as profit driven as you think they are they’d make guitars out of the cheapest possible wood especially on their low end models and they don’t. Theres reasons but its easier to invent a conspiracy that doesn’t hold water than to accept a reality that their are just certain materials that are better suited to make a guitar. People make guitars out of similar woods even when they paint them and cover the wood up.

[@RealROCKnROLLA]

@@StupidGuitar because these woods are in a good supply, they are easy to work on, easy to grow and harvest, they have a good price on them. When the supply gets shorter, you get a thinline telecaster, because they have to chamber the body for it to not weight a ton, but they won't change a supplier on the spot, it's too expensive. And in a marketing booklet it will say it's for the tone. Gibson has started chambering and drilling their les pauls to prevent them from overweight. And people don't make the guitars from the similar woods. Fender is using pine, alder, ash, basswood, paulownia, sassafras and whatever else right now in production - and this is only a stratocaster I'm talking about. Strandberg guitars are all empty inside and they sound like a guitar. ES-335 is made of maple laminate but I dare you to blindly tell the difference between it and a les paul.

[@StupidGuitar]

@@RealROCKnROLLA so is maple and bamboo and yet. No is saying you can’t make a guitar out of certain materials but people are saying there are BETTER materials to make guitars out of than others. It’s crazy you so determined to hate these companies you can’t accept reality.

[@RealROCKnROLLA]

@@StupidGuitar don't put the words in my mouth. I didn't ever say anything negative let alone hateful about those companies at all. Your "looking for hate" attitude shows your angle in the discussion perfectly. I consider this conversation finished.

[@yaniv-nos-tubes]

the parts i understand and able to change and get good predictable results are pickups speakers and tubes while most guitar players these days are changing presets

[@lekkerblankastudio]

❤

[@dragonsquare2802]

I did that experiment at your place with the Dirty Shirly and the AC20 .. Well, I just dialed in the sound I liked. Anyways, at some point I was wondering why the knobs don't do anything .. I was on the other amp. Switched back and forth. No difference.

[@fram8045]

Henning, A.I. RANT pls. This topic is so important as I believe A.I. is all about removing human input & making music is all about the human (soul) input experiences

[@mark.guitar]

Guitarists play best when they are comfortable with how the system they are using responds to their playing. Different techniques interact differently with different setups. For playing, this comfort factor is far more important than the "sound", which can (as Mr F F Fricker points out) be "fixed" in the amp/cab/desk/mix. Both of these points of view can only make sense from the perspective of their supporters. This is one of those places where a single truth cannot exist because there are two separate truths (feel and final mix sound). These cannot be directly compared so why do we try?

[@somerandomguy180]

It's all very simple: if tonewood (specifically in reference to electric guitars). was a real thing, there would be no debate. We would all hear it clearly, and there would be no confusion. Wood does not affect a magnetic field. There is no 'absorbing' of frequencies. That's not how magnetism works.

[@vw9659]

The world's preeminent authority on the physics of the electric guitar, Prof Manfred Zollner, is in Regensburg. He has a rather different perspective on the significance of solid body wood in electric guitars to you, having been measuring (and playing) them for decades. Maybe you should visit him.

[@EytschPi42]

I don't give a rats ass what he says, sorry... I have a shitton of guitars and I play them. When they feel different even when not plugged in and resonate differently and I react differently, then they are different and it is everyting on the instrument that interacts with everything and the wood plays a role. If it didn't then good guitars could be made with shitty wood and usually they aren't. I can experience these things.

[@vw9659]

@@EytschPi42 well the difference is that he can prove what's important and what's not to how guitars sound, and you only have your opinions. With respect, you seem to have just collected a mishmash of often misapplied notions around things like ADSR and additive synthesis and random other pseudoscience "theories" that you've picked up along the way. If your "everything matters" notion was a comprehensive answer to the problem, you would be able to quantify *how* each of the things in "everything" applied its sonic influence, and the *extent* of that influence. In ways consistent with the laws of physics, which some of your assertions are not - that is, they are physically impossible (see the Conservation of Energy Law). Those things are measurable, and have been measured in real guitars - we don't need to rely on opinions. You ought to speak to someone who actually understands guitar physics, and has made those measurements in real guitars. Then it wouldn't just be your *opinions* against Fricker's; but real measurements from real guitars - that actually explain everything we hear. I did think you might actually be interested that Germany is the home of electric guitar physics, given that most of the work on the physics of real guitars has been done by your countrymen: initially a few studies in the 1980s, then extensive work by Helmut Fleischer in Munich, and then Manfred Zollner's preeeminent work in Regensburg. Helmuth Lemme has also done a lot of the important work on explaining how to measure pickups properly to get their frequency response (not just the mostly meaningless nonsense we get from pickup makers, like DCR). All that work, and other work in recent years in Paris, is the basis of our understanding of how electric guitars actually work - which explains everything we hear. Neuroscience explains the physiology behind what you feel. For example the limited-band frequency sensitivity of your skin mechanocereceptors. But that's a whole other area.

[@kicsisziszi]

So this is why Kristian Kohle changes and tests speakers frequently in his vids.

[@KreativeDevices]

🔥

[@24ZEPACDC]

Speaker cabinet/IR makes just as big a difference as anything. Amps make a big difference as well-pedals are more of a cherry on top of the Sunday

[@JimijaymesProductions]

I disagree in the amp thing. Yes pedals can drastically change it but a 5150 vs an ac30 is more different than a 5150 with a tubescreamer on or off. Most marshalls sound similar but all tubescreamers sound almost the same through a dirty amp. I'd say both are equally different depending on how different you go. While agree that those ozzy albums don't have the best production (I hate how out of place the vocals sound), RR's tone is great, no it isn't fat but it has so much mids (especially Blizzard of Oz) it sings but also cuts in the fast section, its harmonically complex.

[@Zhaggysfaction]

Look I have played two Gibson SG's, one was made normally out of mahogany and the other entirely out of maple, both had the same pickups, amplified through an amp they sounded exactly the same. HOWEVER they felt different, the maple one had harder attack and was sort of harder to play, but they sounded the same. I have made two les pauls myself, one out of mahogany, one out of swamp ash, with the same pickups they sounded the same but felt different to play. Make of that what you will. Also it is two entirely different things if we are talking about JUST hearing the guitar sound and if we are playing the guitar and hearing it at the same time. If we want to make some conclusions about whether the wood makes a difference in the amplified sound of the guitar, we have to first be honest about it and take the playing part out of it, as it changes the hearing experience totally. And it can only be done with blind tests and as the normal scientific method requires, with several guitars of the same type. We can't just take two guitars made out of different woods and make any conclusions there. We'd have take, let's say, 10 mahogany guitars and 10 maple guitars, then see if the consistently make the guitars sound different the same way.

[@eoinc4091]

Sorta like the idea of a Swamp Ash LP… or an Alder body and Maple neck 😂. What would that sound like?

[@Zhaggysfaction]

@@eoinc4091 I made the swamp ash LP because Gibson have couple times made those and I really liked how they looked. All swamp ash body, maple neck and ebony fretboard with no inlays, which I have on mine as well. I also put black binding on the body, which I think looks sick. I found a great piece of swamp ash for the top and it looks great.

[@eoinc4091]

@@Zhaggysfaction Sounds amazing!

[@WallofSounds5317]

The Pick ups affect sustain by how far or close they are to the strings.

[@PooNinja]

Everything is a sympathetic vibration from the one true wave.

[@heikohesse4666]

ca. 8:30 ... well, a Marshall and a Mesa Boogie sound completely different, no matter what kind of speakers you use 😎

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

Tonewood is not a thing on electric guitars. Acoustic guitars are a different discussion. It’s the electrical component tolerances you are hearing. Pickups, pots, capacitors. No two parts are identical. The tolerance becomes a frequency change, which is then amplified to a larger change. Amplifiers have even more components with their own tolerances. That’s why the same model can sound different. 🤓

[@wday8302]

Post this on any Spectre Media channels and Glens minions will attack you! Calling you a Tube Snob, A Wood Sniffer! So Be careful if you watch those videos, and post over there His minions can't grasp knowledge

[@enuxs]

Attack, compression, density, dynamics, eq curve, frequency range, frequency response, gain, impulse response, low end, punch, resonance, saturation, thickness, top end, transient and what else - this are the nuances which forced me to have a tube amp and cabinet collection. 😉

[@TheShrike616]

Awaiting Glenn's response is like waiting for the fight between Batman and the Midnighter.

[@kennethdarlington]

Tonewood and other "titanium hardware" stuff are slowly dying out after affordable recording became available.

[@lucastseh4709]

There's something I don't wuite understand here, Henning: You're talking so much about nuances in this videos, but I remember in a past video of yours (don't quite remember which one) you said "Just chuck a mic in front of the speaker somewhere here and you're good"Tone and Sound of guitars Isn't there just as much nuance in placing microphones in front of speakers, as the tone or sound of a guitar? Don't cruzify me pls, just wondering :)

[@RaymondoGalfredi]

Alice went down the rabbit hole with guitar tonewoods. Then she met the drummer and learned all about shells and cymbals. I think she took her life soon after that.

[@MAX96MENDES]

The first rule of Tone-wood is - you do not talk about Tone-wood The second rule of Tone-wood is - you DO NOT talk about Tone-wood! Third rule of Tone-wood - if someone yells “stop!”, goes limp, or taps out, the discussion fight is over !

[@lilian896]

Jon's outfit reminds me of the "Chainsaw Massacre" movie.🐷

[@shredgd5]

We all know that a twist of the treble pot on the amp alters the sound more radically than any other thing, BUT often amps have their “sweet spot” (tone stack-wise) AND the Q of the action of that treble pot is probably wider than a bright guitar/pickup vs. a dull/dark one. That’s why for me the guitar (incl. wood resonance/harmonics content) is very important as well.

[@zvirb]

The very word "timbre", which means tone, derived from "timber", standing for wood.

[@davidfaustino4476]

A Tube Screamer can make an amp sound more different than if you just used a different amp? LOLOLOL if youre only playing Marshalls maybe.

[@steroq6699]

Tone wood exists for acoustic instruments. I'm sure there's like a 0,1% difference when it comes to electric guitar so basically nothing 99,9% of people can hear. Ho, and since he was mentioned, fuck you Glenn! 😘😘😘

[@Noneofyabz]

The definition of sound is a rapid change in air pressure. It is the various overtones and overlapping frequecies that determine what that sound actually is in the brain. Ex: the difference between your wifes voice and a car horn.

[@Noneofyabz]

The actual sound of a guitar is the frequency, ie: the number of vibrations a second the string makes. So the sound is made there. The rest is adding and or subtracting frequecies. Sculpting if you will. So, the make up of the guitar as a vehicle has a lot to do with the accuracy with which the sound is produced. Rubber will not allow the string to vibrate the same as steel. The speaker reproduces this in the form of compression, pushing out, and rarefaction pulling inward. This is trackable on your DAW by enlarging the wave like youre checking for phase. Speaker material can effect the sound to in terms of efficiency and tone. Speakers, mics and pickups are all transducers. Practically speaking, screami g into a $5k mic messed me up in a studio setting, i needed the $100 58. I know when my guitars tracking and attack is on point.

[@SALTY85]

I am more concerned with how responsive the instrument feels to me.

[@someone_else303]

Without tone there is no sound. They both weave into each other, cant seperate them.

[@getshwiftygaming447]

You are 75% there but you are objectively wrong about tonewood. Tonewood is not and never will be a factor in electric instruments and that's not an opinion it's a measurable fact. A mahogany Les Paul does not sound any different from a Les Paul made of ashwood and neither will sound any different compared to a carbon fiber guitar. If the variable we change is the material of the body the guitars will sound absolutely identical. Again, this is not an opinion that's open for debate it is measurable fact. If we were talking about acoustic instruments yes, tonewood plays a factor but even in acoustic instruments it's not an astronomical difference going between acoustic guitars.

[@7sla]

a bit too much talking about attack and sustain without mentioning the envelope

[@EytschPi42]

That is the envelope

[@tyroneenglish8396]

Jon still doesn’t think there is a good difference between 100W and 50W amps. 😂

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Depends on the amp

[@tyroneenglish8396]

@@SonicDriveStudio I’m being entirely sarcastic. You spend an extortionate amount of time and energy in amps. I’m a big supporter of your channel and work man, just having some fun!

[@Sticky_Tea]

TampJon

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I'll take it

[@Sticky_Tea]

​@@SonicDriveStudio haha

[@lucagare4809]

I have the cheapest Harley Benton Tele... I changed a lot of parts and in the meantime I also got better pedals etc... The only change that made me feel I was playing a completely different guitar was the bridge... when I upgraded it, the acoustic sound of the guitar got much richer... not only it was sustaining more, but the sound itself was fuller I upgraded basically everything on that guitar (tuners, pickups, electronics, bridge). If I had to change it back to stock and only keep 1 upgraded part, it would be the bridge

[@joanarling]

I can relate. After watching a series on upgrading a 335 clone one by one, the effects of the other bridge made me invest in an all-brass bridge for my HB-35+. That bridge cost more than 1/3 of the guitar, but it made more than that in the acoustic tone (I would have said sound before this video 🙂).

[@artemsmushkov766]

So you cannot just grab a guitar speaker and make music with it? Shit!

[@eoinc4091]

4:02 Resonance is the word I think you are looking for. Perfect tuning is also very important for this as strings will resonate off each other if in perfect tune, adding harmonics on top. How much of this is ‘heard’ and not just felt by the player is also a mystery. Or is it all an excuse for players to distract from perfecting their ability to play? Chasing fairy dust and Unicorn poo!!

[@blandest4788]

It's not like wood has no effect on the guitar sound. The body does interact with the vibrating strings. Play an aluminium guitar and you'll notice a big difference. However, this doesn't really matter that much and people shouldn't waste money on "tonewood". Lots of cheap guitars vibrate nicely.

[@MrPinkStrat]

Wood is Important in Acoustics Not so much in Electric ..In a Marshall plexi on 9 full overdrive .. Wood would make NO DIFFERENCE nobody could tell

[@blandest4788]

@@MrPinkStrat Yes, definitely. If you play overdriven sounds you won't hear any difference at all.

[@twineddropf.i.5594]

i agree 100%, when i buy a guitar wood is the last thing i care about. i'll rather spend my money on a good built guitar with scrapwood than on a guitar that has some kind of exotic expensive wood with bad tuning stability. i think even aesthetics should come first than wood.

[@StupidGuitar]

@@twineddropf.i.5594 please post pics of your plywood guitar then… oh wait.

[@twineddropf.i.5594]

@@StupidGuitar i have an amazon diy kit that i heavily modded, it sounds phenomenal. BTW my comment was an example, there is not such thing as an expensive good built guitar with cheap wood.high end brands need to justify their prices with expensive wood because there is people who thinks brazilian rosewood is better than normal rosewood

[@lukesteverything627]

I don't believe in amp tone wood.

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

It is true that the PU's can only reproduce what the strings send. However as acoustic engineers will tell you wood absorbs sound and different woods will dampen different frequencies that will then not arrive to PU's for them to amplify. In short the right 'tonewood' will only allow the frequencies we prefer to get into the PU's. 100% FACT!!!

[@Durkhead]

But the effect is very very smol like maybe 1% 2% difference and thats all it is just a difference. No wood sounds better than another just different.

[@Zhaggysfaction]

But we are only interested in what the actual pickup sees. It is a magnetic pick up which only sees the metal strings vibrating in its magnetic field. It does not hear the acoustic sound of the instrument. 100% the wood makes a difference on the acoustic sound. But now the queastion is when the wood dampens or amplifies those certain frequencies on the acoustic sound, does that affect how the strigns are vibrating in the pickups magnetic field? If the string is vibrating exactly the same way, whether it's a warm mahogany guitar or a bright maple guitar, then it shouldn't sound any different through the pickups. Or are the certain frequencies dampened or amplified in the strings vibration itself? Or are the frequencies created entirely by the wood what is vibrating under the strings. These are the things that should be studied, I repear, STUDIED, and not just deducted like "well acoustic sound different so then must electrics." No, that is not the case here.

[@StupidGuitar]

@@Durkhead have evidence of that? I wouldn’t quote numbers without data

[@StupidGuitar]

@@Zhaggysfaction that’s a whole lot of word salad to say you don’t understand that any material touching the strings or attached to those things affect how the strings vibrates

[@Zhaggysfaction]

@@StupidGuitar That's a whole lot of words that demonstrate that you have only listened to those that benefit financially to keep these opinions afloat. Have you done blind tests to test this? I have done several with electric guitars, ranging from normal wooden ones to 3d printed ones. Also the point of my comment is that cannot just say "well everything attached..." you have to test and study it. HOW does it affect the vibrations and what does it mean to what the pickup sees? That is what needs to be tested. I have only seen one test that gives any credibility to this matter but won't bring that into this conversation. Virtually every other test done here on youtube for example has been wishwashy willinilly test that doesn't bring any results into this.

[@aleksandert9159]

You really are milking these rants aren’t you… Henning. Is the other guy there voluntarily or as a hostage? (Just asking for a friend, who doesn’t care much about tonewood per se.).

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Depends who you ask! 😅 Just kidding, I had a blast!

[@ravenslaves]

This is getting painful. The relationship between an amp and a speaker is far more complicated than described here. A speaker _also_ drives the amp. This isn't anything new. This is basic engineering. Stuff you professionals should well be aquatinted with by now, especially if you really want to get the most out of your amps. Don't feel too bad, though. Glenn doesn't (admittedly) know what Ohms are...sort of like a pilot who doesn't know how the wings work.

[@EytschPi42]

I don't know what Ohm are.... I make music.... don't have to... a bird doesn't know how wings work, but boy can they fly!

[@ravenslaves]

@@EytschPi42 Then I strongly suggest that you become familiar with our little Ohms buddies. It's about as basic as it gets, yet it rules just about everything you were talking about (as far as amps and speakers go). It'll also save you a shit ton of pain (metric ton, if you like) if you fuck them up. Or...it could be the saving grace that might lead to "better" tones (sounds? Wtf?) if you understand how they work when applied to your gear (amps, speakers etc...). As I said, the speaker also _drives_ the amp (whaaa?). And do you want to be able to manipulate and have more control over the production process, or less? Start reading...or don't...little effort can get you big results!

[@JimijaymesProductions]

This is a good point because this is why reactive loads mainly sound different to each other, they emulate the load the speaker cab puts on the output transformer and this can change the sound. This is often the tubeness people talk about, its really just the way the output transformer affects frequency response.

[@StupidGuitar]

Anyone who says wood doesn’t matter is being silly. Anyone who buys a guitar specifically for the wood is also silly. Pick it up, play it. Does feel and sound good? Buy it. There’s a reason even cheap Chinese manufacturers aren’t using a whole swath of inexpensive woods. Some of it is structural but some of it is also sound and feel.

[@LEUNN_]

no

[@Keshro]

Tell me how you're visually biased without telling me. Fitting username btw.

[@StupidGuitar]

@@LEUNN_ that’s the kind of argument expect from people who don’t understand basic physics. Good on ya!

[@StupidGuitar]

@@Keshro nothing I said involves visuals at all big guy. It’s ok to allow different opinions. They won’t harm you. No reason to resort to ad hominems to protect your ego.

[@LEUNN_]

@@StupidGuitar troll, you're wrong