Ranting About Veganism

[@natalielongmire2846]

I've found that most people, given the option, don't mind a vegan alternative. What we're starting to see is a greater DEMAND for vegan products, and by forcing the hand of meat giants, like Tyson, to invest in and create alternatives to meat, we see more people choosing them bc they are now convenient options. I think we're going to see the number of vegans grow exponentially in the next two decades.

[@Doug_MacArthur]

Yay, he got around to one of my requests! I wasnt expecting the video to be as long as this and Digi's response to have so much depth to it, but I'm glad! You addressed all the relevant issues regarding it and shared a lot of your personal history with it especially mentioning your family. Thanks dude!

[@verbatim7508]

Wow, what surprisingly good takes from you on this subject. I'm not the type to argue that the lives of non-human animals are "just as valuable" as the lives of humans, though; for me, it comes down to the mere principle that killing things because they taste good is unnecessary and cruel, regardless of how "valuable" the lives of those creatures are. They could be worth shit, and it still wouldn't be okay.

[@upg5147]

It's very nuanced subject. Some people use the religious argument of they were put here to be eaten (which can used the same way as if a person is killed by an animal) or you can use the argument all life is valuable (but I guarantee around 8/10 people who say that still kill bugs and the sort). There is no right answer so I say eat what you want and if it's having negative effects on you, they change.

[@verbatim7508]

@@upg5147 Nnnnope. There's definitely a right answer. Hope you find it some day.

[@upg5147]

@@verbatim7508 lol, someone's confident. So what's the right answer? Eat none? Eat a few?

[@verbatim7508]

@@upg5147 The right answer will always have more to do with what causes the least undue pain, suffering, or discomfort in the universe, so _of course_ the answer is to go vegan. Or at least, to accept that veganism is the only perfectly ethical diet, until it's proven some day that plants also suffer, too (and it probably won't be). This is where you say something along the lines of, "What gives you the authority to impose these moral standards on other people; morality is completely subjective, suffering isn't intrinsically bad," bla bla bla. Tedious conversation. Had it too many times. That's why I said I hope you find the answer for yourself one day.

[@upg5147]

@@verbatim7508 But then we have overpopulation of animals. Would you be okay if me and you went hunting, killed and deer and ate it. It was one shot to the head, dead instantly. We use it all and give respects to it before and after we eat. Your morals, while legitimate, say I shouldn't eat meat because of the suffering. If the animal isn't suffering it's not a problem. Hell, if someone killed me and ate me, why would I care, I be dead. If you tortured me first it's a bigger problem but if you snapped my neck, I don't care what you do after that, I'm dead. Animals can't even think of "oh 10 cows have died in this area, now I must hid on fear of death" or "my wife and kid were killed in front of me, I am now traumatized". They just think, danger run, no danger, I'm good.

[@vazzaroth]

This channel is so interesting. I've only watched Digi's main channel usually and just ended up here. I didn't expect a measured response and general support without participation for veganism from a channel that's suggesting I watch Steven Crowder on the sidebar (My entire other sub-box is all lefttube, lol) so I'm happy to see some logic over talking points. It's so rare to find a non-vegan who isn't defensive and extremely offended by vegans, regardless of whether they're preachy or not. I'm not (Likely never will be unless I get heart disease or something like Digi's dad here. Happy to cut back, though, and am against factory farms), but my wife is and people act like we're some freak of nature that could never exist.

[@illdie314]

Tbh I think a lot of people freeze up at the idea of veganism because it seems like such an immense hassle, I think more people need to realize that you dont need to go all the way to make a difference. Just being vegetarian or having a few vegan days throughout the week, while not perfect, is better than doing nothing at all and actually super easy.

[@peterchui1964]

That's how I eventually became full on vegan--making even a little effort everyday got me used to consuming less and less meat till I realized there's no need for it at all. What most people don't get is that they complicate their lives and convince themselves they want this and that, when all they want is good food. And good food that's good for health and the environment is not hard to come by.

[@jigokunabe]

I was starting to worry that the request would be longer than the response >I'm not like all those other vegans who won't shut up about their moral superiority >now here's a paragraph on why I'm morally superior to other vegans

[@illdie314]

I mean if you want to interpret it in the most uncharitable way possible, sure. Theres obviously a stigma and that makes people self conscious, trying to distance yourself from that stigma isnt wrong or hypocritical.

[@samueltaylor1396]

I tried Veganism or at least a mostly plant based diet with a once a week meat cheat back in November after watching game changers. Lasted a couple of months before I started having daily attacks that felt like hyploglycemia where I felt like passing out and getting extremely tired. This was even though I had daily protein alternatives and was getting my full dose of essential vitamins. I started eating meat again, eggs particularly and I got better. Every person's body is different so listen to your body and don't be stupid lol.

[@samueltaylor1396]

@@thespeakerofrandom lol, everyone 'does' have a different body. Otherwise there would be no diseases that some people have and others didn't. And yes our bodies can and do change with what we eat and do. And there are somethings you may not be able to have due to an allergy or intolerance of some kind. For example: I for one get sick when I have milk products. Even that will differentiate as far as the level of sickness depending on what kind of milk product I consume. Soda is another thing that makes me feel like crap. Do I still drink it at times? Yes I do. Those are moments of me being stupid and not listening to my body. The oposite is also true in that sometimes your body needs specific things. And if you don't listen to it then you get to pay the price.

[@samueltaylor1396]

@@thespeakerofrandom 🤣

[@samueltaylor1396]

@@thespeakerofrandom thanks for calling me magic that is a huge compliment. We can agree to disagree my friend. All I am doing is sharing my personal opinion I developed from my own experiences.

[@dreamcaster100]

@@thespeakerofrandom Great, yet another militant vegan that nobody likes. fuck off.

[@verbatim7508]

@@thespeakerofrandom Keep being based 👍

[@GRZNGT]

Where i live, being vegan is cheaper than to be a meat eater. I love meat, it's the best kind of food for me. But i can only afford it 2-3 times a month. Maybe that's what makes it so good for me - its taste is always fresh and exciting.

[@brony4869]

What grinds my gears about vegans is when they push in places that are stupid. Like trying to make their carnivorous pets eat a vegan diet. Or the morons who wrote an article saying it's wrong to play animal crossing unless you are dramatically lessening the content you can play because its "not vegan"

[@cashewmilkfan]

wow dumb people sure are stupid.

[@Pr0jectFM]

I get the argument towards vegetarianism, but I think veganism is a bit too far. I think there's nothing unreasonable about using cows and chickens for milk and eggs. It seems like a fair trade that these animals get a safe, easy life in return for the food they create. I don't know how the quality of life for the ones producing commercial foods, however. I think vegetarianism has lost popularity in favor of veganism when I don't think that's necessary.

[@upg5147]

People will argue those animals are overused for those resources and treated poorly. In a perfect world, your logic makes sense

[@Pritah]

That's absolutely right. The problem is that, for example, chickens that are used for eggs are not just living a safe and easy life. They use hormones to make them mature faster (so fast they grow misshapen and full of tumors, sometimes unable to even walk), and cows are forced to breed once, then be prematurely separeted from their children and periodically violated with basically what it is a cow dildo, so they produce more milk. Of course both of them live in the most compact possible cell. Not all of them live exactly like this but most of them do as it is the biologically best possible form of mass production, because that's capitalism for you. At lest in my opinion, the slaughter is the least of the problems when it comes to the meat industry, just the tip of the iceberg.

[@doofy3111]

I was expecting cringe tbh, some good takes, my only possible critique is why you brought up that point at 5:30? If it was to say all is justified because they were bred for us to be eaten then a similar argument could be made for keeping African Americans as slaves in the mid 1800s because they were also bred to be slaves

[@TomatoFork]

@@verbatim7508 That's actually a really good point. Didn't even think about it that way.

[@D-Havoc]

@@verbatim7508 I guess some people think the world would be better off with the overabundance of cows, pigs and other livestock animals.

[@upg5147]

@@D-Havoc It's all about balance. The answer isn't eat all the meat you can find or never even look at a cow. There are middle grounds but they are hard to talk about in a debate. Hence why we use such different statements

[@peterthepeter7523]

That's not how slavery works, stop playing those slave-management porn games. And freed slaves can go and do same work for shitty wage. Freed animals can only go and die because no one will feed them since they are of no use except meat, leather, milk, eggs, wool and other stuff.

[@Action_Ichi]

I think I'll start hunting so that way I don't have to be participating in the meat industry but still be able to participate in consuming meat

[@hummushero9428]

How exactly is meat good for you? Kind of a baseless claim considering it is full of sat fat, cholesterol, heme iron, etc....not to mention all the toxins that are bioaccumulated.

[@dreamcaster100]

You're assuming humans can't take any of this even though we've been handling it just fine. If anything, all the shit you've spouted is in of itself baseless.

[@hummushero9428]

Zoan so If I drink some arsenic laden juice but not too much, that makes the juice healthy then by this logic?

[@alphamarigi]

Sat fats are actually good for you and cholesterol is a meme

[@Bayo106]

@@dreamcaster100 lol @ handling it just fine. JFL

[@alphamarigi]

It's neither facts nor logic. We got canines shell out for the grass fed shit

[@whoaziko502]

I don’t like eating dead things 🤷‍♀️

[@maxwellermeav4769]

so you only eat alive things like that one chinese youtuber who eats sea creatures alive. you disgust me.

[@TheCreepypro]

great rant I love meat and eating it is great but I still try to eat it a couple times a week not everyday cause that is not how you should eat meat also there is a variety of meat you don't have to eat just read meat that is also not good fish for instance is great to eat just about anytime

[@bradskag3007]

They have their own restuarants and most restaurants that aren't vegetarian have vegetarian options so I dont see why they need to campaign

[@dragunov815]

Yow!