Rare 9mm Ammo That Can Penetrate Rifle Body Armor?

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Of various types of body armor, many hard rifle plates employ UHMWPE as a backing system to the strike face, or in this case, the entire plate is all UHMWPE. It's very good with speed, but hardened core's present a problem. Can a tungsten core 9mm penetrate level III?
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[@Docsporseen1]

And for today's life lesson - never get into a gunfight with someone who can afford really weird ammunition!

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

You put a smile on my face. Thanks.

[@BuffRANGE]

I wonder what the Secret Service carries? Do they have AP rounds in their SMG?

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

@@BuffRANGE Thats a great question. Part of me has to assume that they do. I've found DOJ contracts for ammo and different agencies, but I cant remember if I've ever found SS contracts.

[@KoishiVibin]

@@BuffRANGE If they have Stiletto 9x19 AP, they'll blitz anything short of ceramic plates. Basically all steel on the market will fold like a cheap suit, and UHMWPE is a lost cause. >MP5 can now perforate those "just as good" Armoured Repub plates

[@KoishiVibin]

@FacePwn64 The P90 sucks.

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

Enough engineering and tungsten and anything can be done.

[@KoishiVibin]

*loads Swiss P AP*

[@KoishiVibin]

@FacePwn64 DU has... Toxicity issues. Generally speaking, it's environmentally and humanly friendly to use tungsten.

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

@@KoishiVibin You sound like a very polite person. Maybe a little boring at parties, but very thoughtful nonetheless ;)

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

@Jim Beam I know the name, but couldn't tell you who he is.

[@KoishiVibin]

@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Perhaps. If you ever decide to chose some personal protection, however, give me a call.

[@TMega5612]

That is absolutely unreal. Even with tungsten I would never have conceived any 9mm load bypassing such armor.

[@BuffRANGE]

Exactly. I held onto this round for probably a year trying to think what to shoot it at. I knew M39B and bullets like that could penetrate IIIA, and that seemed a waste for DM91. I wasn't sure how it would do against steel, or any ceramic with a strike face over .200". I'd love to test it more, maybe some day.

[@LinkxUSMC87]

@@BuffRANGE very interested to see this round on steel and ceramic! That thing is insane! Would also be cool to see how it preforms out of different barrel lengths. Wonder if it could still penetrate a poly 3+ out of a glock 43 or something similar. If it failed to penetrate steel/ceramic out of the 7.7" scorpion, maybe try carbine barrel or something similar ect. Great vid man!

[@KoishiVibin]

@@BuffRANGE drive.google.com/file/d/1Wy94Awe83U2Mmeav1oS_wOYurdso_xtZ/view?usp=drivesdk Documentation suggests inconsistent, but very possible, performance. Due to armour Repub having shit quality, hardness of plates may factor into penetration.

[@KoishiVibin]

@@LinkxUSMC87 Generally speaking, poly folds like paper against anything hard cored. As for ceramic, it's not cutting that. Even basic classification three, I'd bet my life that I'd survive.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@KoishiVibin I can imagine I won't be getting my hands on that anytime soon :(

[@dogboy0912]

David Weber wrote a lot of military scifi, and it always describes people using tungsten penetrators. Guess he was onto something.

[@cullenseago1519]

Tungsten penetrators have been a thing since the 40s. They used then for tank armor piercing as well

[@1810jeff]

@@cullenseago1519 I also could have sworn they used tungsten cores in some ww1 era k bullets. Might have been post WW1 but they definitely made k bullets with tungsten cores.

[@dominicmauro7203]

@@1810jeff no the k bullets were reg ball ammo no tungsten in them although Cullen is wrong they've been around since the 1930s

[@ilikeships9333]

@@1810jeffever since more armoured stuff in ww1 people have been testing out hv tungsten and heavy metal type rounds.

[@jb-xc4oh]

Military Sci-Fi.........real military armor piercing ammunition has used tungsten penetrators as far back as WW2. Its nothing new, neither are the basic principles of armor penetration.

[@MrChispa06]

Tarkov Devs: "see those rounds, write that down, write it!"

[@cameron1999cam]

7N39 is good enough for 9x19, probably rarer too

[@oldls7t_211]

Just imagine what these things would to for example a killa armor just fucking crazy but I kinda want them in the game

[@KoishiVibin]

@@oldls7t_211 Look, it's easy to cut a polyethylene or steel. It's hard to cut ceramic.

[@oldls7t_211]

@@KoishiVibin and killa armor happens to be polyethylene adding the fact that a zabralo is equal to a level 3 plate and killa is weaker than a zabralo it would cut right through it. and a ceramic plate shatters after a few hits so it could take this down aswell easily so whats your point

[@KoishiVibin]

@@oldls7t_211 1: tarkov defined an IOTV as being made of titanium 2: tarkov defined GOST 6A as being analogous to NIJ IIIA. Given that the Killa armour is a modded 6b13, and the 6b13 is ceramic, I'll go with a ceramic plate. Also, it'll take upwards of fifty pistol rounds to beat ceramic armor plates

[@TROOPERfarcry]

There are "White Out" pens which are literally "liquid paper" or "white out" in a pen, meant to correct very small errors. I find that they write very, very well on dark surfaces.

[@gavinrobinson8925]

I'm truly amazed that ANY 9mm load would be capable of penetrating rifle armour. Very informative video, i never knew much about how different armour medians can perform better or worse at stopping certain rounds. Adds a lot more nuance to armour design and armour ratings. It would also explain how many armours are capable of stopping rounds they aren't rated for just as the inverse happened here.

[@kawasakifreak77]

Dude that is frickin nuts. Bravo.

[@Subgunman]

A friend ordered tungsten points from a source in China. He managed to mount projectiles on a lathe and bored out the center and epoxied a tungsten core into it. Yes it did,manage to get throughout level III armour. Yes where there is a will there is a way. Don't have any reload info on the rounds as to powder type used or grains of projectile. It would appear that a solid projectile would be the perfect host. Build at your own risk. Nothing is impossible.

[@-darrell]

Damn your friends are cooler than my friends.

[@nicholaddelioncourt7863]

that seems like a very long way to go about getting tungsten core rounds

[@johnb.6468]

What about TIG welding rods?

[@jeferainman2990]

"and i forgot my hearing protection" ooooh in know the feeling ... lol

[@828enigma6]

What???

[@forestronin]

Waiting for this round to come to Escape from Tarkov

[@cutetransgirl]

Isn't this like 7n31?

[@argy007]

IchBinEinNoob 7N31 penetrates 4.6mm thick AR500 steel at up to 10 m away when fired from PP-2000, not sure how this translates into performance against UHMWPE. Its probably about the same in terms of near point blank performance, but 7N31 losses its penetration performance really fast with increasing distances.

[@FoMScratch]

It's already in the game, 7n21's a tungsten core with a gang of powder in it. Different brands same features.

[@cnlbenmc]

Or 6.5x25mm CBJ

[@argy007]

FoMScratch 7N21 and 31 use a hardened steel core not tungsten.

[@moxigen]

we call it "Wolfram"! because "Germanium" was already taken.

[@allangibson8494]

Because heavy stone was a bit boring ... (actual translation of Tungsten in Swedish)...

[@moxigen]

@@allangibson8494 well i see that as a "swed-problem" :p

[@SmellMe54]

Subbed, just for the LCD screen for velocity.

[@BuffRANGE]

Go ASUS VS248H-P

[@Feldwaldwiese]

In Germany the DM91 is illegal, because of the tungsten core. It’s military use only.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you for the added insight!

[@johnakridge2916]

Well im sure I csn find some on the Street. :) No im not a thug. But i definitely want some

[@stemup]

How about 3d printers/ammo reloader sets?

[@notachair4757]

​@stemup Making AP pistol ammo is illegal here in the states. The only way for it to get into civilian hands here is for it to have either been imported or made before the law was passed, or for it to have been made or imported by/for the military.

[@stemup]

@@notachair4757 or if you have a 3d printer and an ammo reloading set

[@rustyshakleford5230]

First video of yours ive seen. Kinda unbelievable 9mm could make it through something a 308 cant. I love the setup you got with the chrony monitor. Subbed

[@justinlance4174]

308 definitely can. With the right bullet. Bullet construction is what defeats armor. More than velocity or mass.

[@jonahpatton8879]

@@justinlance4174 depends on the armor. With steel armor it's been noticed that speed is the more important factor. With uhmwpe, bullet construction seems to matter more than speed. Ceramics seem to be the hardest to penetrate and require both.

[@whatsmolly5741]

@@jonahpatton8879 yup m193 loaded to ~3450 fps at close range will put a neat little hole through your ar 500 target

[@highspeed9518]

Buffman you always amaze me with your tests,youbare such a underrated channel

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you very much!

[@patrickspapens5497]

I'm not surprised the tungsten core went through

[@Hellhorde.]

Not just the poly plate but also passed through that soft armor and made a massive cavity into more than an inch of clay and wanted to keep going, thats down right scary!

[@Pro_Vs_Con]

Holy shit! Those tungsten cores are mean! I guessed no that it would go through..

[@lowtdave]

This DM91 round may be my favorite round youve tested. It's amazing seeing the plate didn't slow it down. It showed no signs of anything grabbing it. People who engineer these types of munitions are amazing. Getting the weight, material, shape, charge and assembly process perfected to manufacture little amazing aeronautical bullets. Humans are the best

[@tyeh114]

Excellent video. Low on BS chatter, high on good solid info. Great job!

[@jantschierschky3461]

I did not see the DM 91 when I was in the German army, however did hear about it. Believe only very specialised units get it.

[@ToxicityD-Day]

I read that it is used by the Bundeswehr. Im No expert so i ask you, are they a specialised unit?

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@ToxicityD-Day Bundeswehr is the whole military.

[@Mike-de2yt]

Only used by the KSK and KSM probably two special forces of the Bundeswehr

[@FTWIHA]

@@Mike-de2yt Theoretically allowed to be used by anyone, rear units, the Feldjäger, the EGB and some recon units and snipers in the normal Jäger have access to it too, the point behind DM91 was to give those only equipped with light weaponry the ability to defeat body armour, so basically the same thing as with the MP7 with the difference that the MP7 got cucked by using normal steel bullets instead of hardened steel or tungsten. DM91 and DM51 are the reason why we switched from the P8 to the P8A1 and from the MP2 to the MP5, because the standard P8 and the Uzi couldn't handle the pressure.

[@robbabcock_]

Interesting! I'm mildly surprised but not really shocked. Tungsten is no joke, pretty hard stuff. Driven with some oomph I imagine it will go through a lot of stuff you wouldn't expect a 9mm to perforate.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Honestly, if you are going to wear plates, just go lvl 4.

[@tedhodge4830]

I'd rather wear steel III+, it stops 55gr, 62gr and nearly everything else on earth short of .300 win mag and takes repeated hits. Level 4 is typically ceramic and degrades. You won't find this loading in the market, let alone at Walmart or on the streets.

[@Howdy762]

@@tedhodge4830 lol and thats the reason i load m855a1.

[@TMega5612]

Double the weight to protect yourself against exceedingly rare projectiles is not really worth it, imo.

[@tedhodge4830]

@@Howdy762 For $3 a round on the blue moon that someone has a carrier and a level 3+ that I'm not even sure it penetrates anyway.

[@silversurfer8818]

Most countries have restrictions to IV and is available as government purchase only.

[@steffenjespersen247]

Very good test. Paul Harrell would be proud :) Very nice 9mm round.

[@mikejeffsteel]

Thanks for this test. I was looking for something like this on the whole internet but couldn't find anything.

[@CoolGuyPlays1]

Great video! Awesome to see these quirky rounds in use.

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@jamal69jackson77]

It's quite amazing that Green Tip ammunition and other metal cored ammunition can defeat UHMWPE armor and yet some of that same type of armor can still stop standard 50 caliber ball ammo (not sure what the survivability percentages of receiving a hit by 50 cal whilst wearing body armor are, but I'm certain they are better than without). In any case, this is why I think the best armor plates are hybrid plates with both UHMWPE and either steel, ceramic, kevlar or other secondary bullet resistant materials. Lastly, my guess is that the tungsten core 9mm is definitely going to penetrate that armor, especially with that particular ammo coming in such a hot load.

[@jagzilla1398]

Nice work bringing together those esoteric rounds..I'm surprised it went through level 3 and 3a at the same time..

[@mrwayne5158]

This should teach yall its not about the speed its about the material the bullet is made of. Of course distance is a factor as well but you get the point

[@BuffRANGE]

Right you are. Speed at times is one, but not always the sole factor for penetration.

[@chrisp.5272]

Awesome channel, I’ve been watching for years. I’m a big fan of both 9MM and 5.7x28mm.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you for sticking around :D! I've been working on trying to get my hands on the Diamondback DBX and the EA 5.7 rifle :D

[@cascadianrangers728]

I was rooting for the tungsten core, but I am flabbergasted it went through a iii plate AND a layer of soft armor!

[@johsor1984]

I love that you do all of this obscure stuff!! Here's a challenge: Obtain and test the Gecko 9mm AP if you can find it. I hear they are rare as hens teeth. Fun fact: Gecko 9mm ap was used in the biggy smalls shooting.

[@calangel]

Gotta get that 80gr SCS in a handload. Fort Scott's somewhat anemic (standard velocity) loading data gives a Power Pistol load that just about matches the velocity you get from the Evo...in a Glock 19. Silhouette powder will likely give you 1600fps or more from the G19 if you're willing to load to +P pressures.

[@MyLonewolf25]

I wonder what Norma r1 would do in 9x19

[@SHOT_GUNNER]

Liberty defense ammo had similar results. And it’s readily available. Great video ☺️

[@BuffRANGE]

Liberty ammo can't penetrate level III. some types of IIIA yes, but not a rifle rated level III

[@tykocostandine]

Subbed. Amazing content keep it coming!

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for the sub!

[@ToeCutter454]

interesting on the DM91, though it looks like an alternative to the 5.7x28mm which is intended to penetrate kevlar and tumble in soft tissue. UHMWPE performs as expected against standard rounds, even the kevlar as intended. as for steel plates i doubt it though i'm sure i'd leave a hell of a mark and would likely leave the tungsten fused to it, if you've ever watch Taofledermaus he's had some really wonky slugs on there but one of the very very few that were capable of penetrating IIIa steel plate was a light weight poly carbonate slug with a 1/4" hardened drill bit inserted into the tip. not sure out of a normal pistol that the DM91 would be capable of as much as you're losing the muzzle velocity, speed beats armor in most cases as more energy = more pokey power.

[@whatsmolly5741]

These decap die inserts from carbide dies could definitely be repurposed for this application

[@retiredretired8496]

You can repeat this with a tungsten rod the rite diameter and a Hollow point or even drill a hole in a bullet and epoxy it in . I know it will not be as good but I am sure it would shoot good enough .I would personally use a copper bullet hollow point and buy the corresponding gage to fit so I could get a true to center as I could .

[@BuffRANGE]

That would be an interesting test

[@retiredretired8496]

​@@BuffRANGE I am a back yard ballistic tester of all things go bang myself :}

[@twiz148]

Good ad for Shotstop. Never heard of them but I will have to check it out with these results. I don't own any poly armor...but it might be on my xmas wish list. :-)

[@nightcat87]

Man I found your videos from SGammo. Your videos are always good.

[@BuffRANGE]

sGammo is good people! Thanks for stopping by

[@KretinD]

Those 7 3/4” barrels are awesome.

[@awsomedude9111]

Would have been cool to see if you had one more round to use in a G17/G19

[@cheryltysver4819]

Another excellent video!

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@789know]

This 9mm tungsten round is similar in principle to APDS. Besides, UHMWPE is very specific in which type of round penetrate sometime. Russian conduct experiment with these type of armor. They find out that 7.62x39(forget the type of round)at a certain velocity, will go through the plate meanwhile at higher velocity, the plate will stop it.

[@BuffRANGE]

I have discovered this from time to time as well when I was doing some subsonic testing :D

[@nightwaves3203]

Typically velocity independent of weight defeats steel plates and for laminates weight defeats laminate plates.

[@KoishiVibin]

It's not weight, so much as how resistant bullet is to melting and deformation.

[@AA-dn8dj]

Oh snap. I know that feeling of forgetting hearing protection. oof

[@SimonaDaRat]

Tungsten is EXTREAMLEY dense and strong , even so it’s a surprize it penetrated

[@concernedpatriot.2221]

Wow. Awesome.

[@sporkstar1911]

Fun Fact... The curves of the THV ammunition are the same sort of idea as the Xtreme Penetrator/Defender ammunition. But it definitely aids in armor penetration, and you dont want to market that to cops. So the Screwdriver bullets (besides feeding better) have the extra cross section so it cant penetrate. But still gets the extra fluid damage.

[@BuffRANGE]

Extra fluid damage? That's largely been unproven to my knowledge, and most of their bullets aren't even approaching rifle like velocities where that happens. My judgement on those bullets is still out, but perhaps there will be an LE evaluation of them at some point.

[@bidenhatesamerica]

I’d really like to know how that tungsten round would perform out of my 10 -1/2” stainless bull barrel when loaded with a +p+ load. I really only mess with +p+ loads with my stainless bull barrel. I have the heavy buffer spring and 7oz buffer from kvp and weighted cmmg carrier tuned to run suppressed but i dont shoot suppressed BUT it acts like a delayed blowback with seriously hot loads in a ar set up. If you want to rock a serious 9mm ar pistol set up I would highly recommend my set up.

[@Drew4078]

I will just keep sharing your videos until you get 1 million subscribers 🤪 keep up the hard work my friend.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'll take it! Every little bit helps!

[@pagisvstavay9340]

Glad to see the THV being "wunderwaffe" myth is debunked.

[@BuffRANGE]

It would seem that's the case. Now a bullet like this does excel at aramid fiber penetration, but compared to some newer tech ammo, it falls behind. an 80gr solid copper bullet out penetrates this design..

[@danielkolev]

At this point, the lead in bullets just acts like a sabot.

[@joe125ful]

Yes or Slap 50 Cal.

[@BuffRANGE]

Yep. It's actually an aluminum casing (not lead0, but it was stuck in the plate when I tore it apart)

[@UnicornMeat512]

We found a bunch of those THV rounds in various captured weapons in iraq. I always wondered what they were. Thanks.

[@Andrew-co6ye]

Very interesting round...

[@chuckfinley3152]

Need to get some zinc cast from Elvis ammo to test

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Amazing. I really wonder if the ceramic iii+ designed to stop m855 will have stopped this round??

[@KoishiVibin]

Ehhh Sub IIIs, basically super IIIAs like the L210 will kitbosh basically any handgun ammo in existence, bar something spicy like the RSh-12 A proper threat 3+ will bounce this shit easy.

[@adrielkaua6418]

Cool vídeo, New sub I am Wonder that even 9mm with tungsten core can penetrate 3+

[@trevorphillips4595]

Very interesting, similar to that of 9x39mm subsonic SP-6 (7N9).

[@BuffRANGE]

I have some SP-6. I need to find a way to borrow some dies to load them and try them out.

[@DoingTheBestICan]

Still waiting for that Dagny Dagger APHP ammo to hit public manufacturing at some point. The stuff cuts through IIIA like butter

[@BuffRANGE]

I've been waiting too !

[@shermdog6969]

I was in a training class awhile back and our instructor had us practicing taking 2 shots to the chest and 2 to the pelvic. I think they need to make some armour for your privates.

[@BuffRANGE]

They have some flap style one ones.

[@vashmatrix5769]

If you can't get it in the US but you got did does it require special licensing or something?

[@ruangermishuys6127]

Awesome stuff! Very interesting, wish I owned some of those rounds 😂

[@thepatriotsrage661]

If you look hard enough locally (South Africa), you'll find RAM THV's in component form.

[@ruangermishuys6127]

@@thepatriotsrage661 How did you know I'm from SA? 😂 I'll have a look around! I'd love to buy some!

[@thepatriotsrage661]

@@ruangermishuys6127 With a name like yours, you're from the SADC region for sure, obvious ;)

[@thefficialOrc]

2 boxes of fort Scott munitions that I bought had rounds that weren't within intolerances and fort Scott claims a nasty wound cavity because they say that their rounds are designed to tumble once they hit a Target

[@BuffRANGE]

Yep. Tumbling is a method of wounding but a short bullet that tumbles may limit damage compared to JHP

[@pooppantsmckenzie]

hey, stow ohio! thats just the next town over from me. didn't know there was a body armor company out of there. makes sense given how close they are to Akron

[@molochi]

I'd love to find the specs on that tungsten penetrator (mass and diameter) to see what sectional energy it's hitting with. I'm still surprised it went through a supposed class III+ plate, but a hole is a hole.

[@shodden7940]

damn, i guessed the last round to be 1600, and it was exactly 1600 :D thats a surprise and a welcome one

[@DinoNucci]

No you didn't

[@HowardLuken]

I call that a FAIL no matter what. Sticking with the Safelife IIIa+ vest I ordered May, 2021 along with their new fras plates.

[@jozefhorvat3625]

Excellent video mate 👌👌👌👍👍👍

[@mightyfinejonboy]

must be easy to make your own tungsten cored bullets, just get some cheap tungsten PCB drill bits, grind/snap off the end and use the shank in a drilled 9mm bullet. worth a try?

[@BuffRANGE]

I would be worried about projectile stability.

[@johnb.6468]

Why not green TIG welding electrodes?

[@davidhenderson3400]

The scary part is with a drilling jig and some tungsten rod you can make this your self.

[@chasemc69]

My first thought when he said how hard it is to get was "I got TIG(tungsten inert gas) electrodes in my garage that look about that size. That would be a hell of an experiment for his channel. How cool would it be to be able to make your own rounds that could Pierce 3A+ for under 50 bucks?

[@davidhenderson3400]

@@chasemc69 The problem is I think making such rounds would be illegal. The ATF would flip if he posted himself making them.

[@chasemc69]

@@davidhenderson3400 ok just did a bunch of research and it seems that you're absolutely right about buying/selling ammo that is made out of tungsten or has a tungsten core. Whether or not you can have that ammo seems to be the gray area in the law. If he can legally possess the round that he shot, I can't see how it would be illegal to make more for personal/lawful use, right?

[@jeffrey4547]

one thing to remember is ur doing a direct hit witch is rare in a gun fight it's been known to deflect a 30-06 just wont do it direct hit

[@BuffRANGE]

true. The second you increase the hit angle you increase the performance of the armor to a degree. MIL-46100E 1/4" won't stop M2AP 30-06 head on, but it can at a 45° angle.

[@Kana_108_]

Amazing !!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!!! I'm subscribing to everything on your channel now! Thank you so much!! I absolutely ❤MP5 !!!! ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for subbing!

[@mtower235]

Nice 👍

[@joehelvey5794]

Wow, I’d have lost a lot of money on that bet. I saw it happen, still hard to believe. Amazing really

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

Could you imagine something crazy like a full auto mac-11 in 9mm firing that DM91? It dumps ammo at 1,200rpm

[@Mike-de2yt]

Mac 11 is not 9x19mm its 9x17mm / .380acp a big difference sadly

[@raymondhoule6108]

As a collector I can't believe you even found thv rounds. Hurt me to see you shoot them.

[@fzraceofspades]

I am in South Africa and manufacture my own design THV's. It is a pity that you can not have them in the US.

[@elmeramuro]

oh my croips, bad ass little cartridge

[@frankmurphy7234]

I seen a vid on KZbin a while back where they had ammunition from Germany that can penetrate level three

[@BuffRANGE]

Got a link?

[@frankmurphy7234]

Nope. But I'll try 2 find the vid again

[@hawaiiangunner]

9 mm Super with a Tungsten pointed insert. Go right through I believe

[@BuffRANGE]

Even more velocity. I wonder what it would take for DM91 to penetrate steel.

[@nestorarcilaosorio2457]

Would be really cool to see a versus between M855A1 and 62 grain Controlled Chaos from Lehigh

[@BuffRANGE]

Maybe Andrew from the TCB can weigh in since he's tested that 62gr CC in a Gorilla ammo load, but to me the M855A1 bullet performance is superior.

[@bluebanana6753]

The 39b is still quite common in civilian hands in sweden i for example have over 500 for worse times. Its getting harder to get but still doable. A dude tested it on a swedish steel helmet vs regular nato load the nato didnt penetrate the helmet but the 39b punched thru even the back.

[@BuffRANGE]

M39B is some rad stuff!

[@johnsmith-dm2tq]

I am pretty sure you can get a tungsten rod, a drill press, and some glue and make whatever you need to get the job done

[@angry_zergling]

Whaaaaaaaaat. I did not expect to see that. 9mm pill going 1600fps going through a 3+! I had been operating on the understanding that when it comes to personal body armor and small arms, velocity was 90%+ of the equation and materials and construction could rarely make a difference. Like with a 3+ plate, under 2800 or so fps I would have guessed it didn't matter if it was 50 grains or 124; .22 caliber or 9mm; lead, copper, steel, or tungsten. Within the range of common calibers and weights, say up to .45 cal and under 300 grains, you could only lower penetration velocity by a couple hundred FPS for a given plate by optimizing design and nothing too far beneath that 2800-ish would go in. Guess I was quite wrong.

[@BuffRANGE]

It's a almost a per material type consideration. When looking at UHMWPE used in this plate, bullet construction plays key. I have sent M80A1 at subonic velocities right through a plate like this, and M855A1 poked a bit out the back. Yet it can take M193 at over 3400 fps. Steel on the other hand, has troubles over 3100 fps for lead core types. It can handle M855 very well, and M855A1 as long as under 3000 fps. Ceramic needs speed and construction to defeat it.

[@angry_zergling]

@@BuffRANGE Fascinating. That’s the first I’ve learned of ceramic plates being significantly different from steel as far as what can penetrate a fresh plate. Good to know m855(non a1) has some practical applications now - back when I was new to guns there was talk of m855 being banned so I bought a bunch at inflated prices. Then I learned it was inferior to good old m193 in terminal performance AND penetration in all but a few specific scenarios and it wasn’t banned after all; so it is common and sucky. Well apparently not so sucky any longer with ceramic in play. =)

[@maxford7451]

1554, aaand I forgot my ears. Been there. Cheers, good video.

[@BuffRANGE]

We were shooting 500 mag under a covered firing line today and was like NOPE I am wearing these MOFO the entire time until I step back from that line :D

[@anybodykill6666]

Can we get an armor comparison video. I would love to see your insights on film.

[@BuffRANGE]

You mean between Steel, UHMWPE, and Ceramic/UHMWPE plates?

[@LaughingMan44]

Curious how those rounds would do vs. Lvl III steel and ceramic.

[@BuffRANGE]

I would think ceramic would stop them. Steel would be interesting. If I can ever source more I would gladly re-test.

[@Miszorov]

Hey, how does this plate compare to the Duritium III+ GT plate? I've seen that the plate in this video can stop M193 and .308 FMJs, so now I'm curious if the GT plate would get penetrated by the DM91.

[@BuffRANGE]

the GT place is a ceramic strike face. How thick I don't remember, but it's possible it might stop this.

[@Miszorov]

@@BuffRANGE Aw, what a shame. Thanks for the resposne tho!

[@ricardof2862]

I would like to see that fast THV vs some gel

[@FatRefrigerator]

How do you think something like the Dragon Fang or T6B would handle this?

[@KoishiVibin]

Dragon Fang? T6B? *What?*

[@oldls7t_211]

Not good those rounds are overhyped as fuck it's just a chunk of soft copper milled out to look more dangerous in reality its a tiny bit better than ss190 if it's better at all.

[@meat-hook]

Fromvwhat i can find the "+" isn't an official NIJ rating. Companies put it on the tag if it can take more than one hit or if it effectively resists one or more rounds beyond what the rating indicates. I may not be digging deep enough, though.

[@BuffRANGE]

You are correct. The “+” is a marketing term usually to denote typically m193 coverage, or m855. Or anything else the company wants to include a rating for. With the new RF1/2 standards will help cover what most give to a “+” rating.

[@meat-hook]

@@BuffRANGE Thank you for giving me more info to look up. I tend to go by the Aikido defense of "the best defense for a puch is to not be there." But sometimes trouble comes looking for me.

[@thevalorousdong7675]

That top right brass round on the thumbnail looks like a whistle lol

[@BuffRANGE]

Good old THV 9mm. Interesting design.

[@thevalorousdong7675]

@@BuffRANGE oh yea, i was surprised at the velocity man. That thing was *cooking* it for a 9x19

[@jc-wi3lv]

Buffman would you be interested in doing a video on the difference of trajectory between light subsonics and heavy subsonics? Looked everywhere and I can't find a good answer as to which will have better range or flatter trajectory. The lightweights seem like they would shoot flatter but the heavies carry more energy...tia

[@BuffRANGE]

In what caliber?

[@jc-wi3lv]

@@BuffRANGE Hopefully the data will apply universally since you're limited to subsonic velocities, but I'd say 300blk (or any .30 cal) would be a good start since there's a pretty wide range of bullet weights available. I've loaded 110gn subs up to 220gn and several in between

[@RedPilled_Knight]

Can you try using pistol carbines that have 16 inch length barrels( or longer) with calibers like 10mm, 357, 44 mag and higher for your testing?

[@DinoNucci]

Send them to him

[@BuffRANGE]

I can if there's a test where you feel that would help. With larger bullets, less pointy bullets you start lessening the chance of penetration.

[@wizzfred2]

there where company in herstal belgium that provide Ammo armor piercing for SF and for governemental agency , they have also made 22lr that can go through level III armor protection . they done also some 4.6 and 5.7 ammo for special purpose as for exemple 5.7 that can defeat level IV armor or that can defeat truck tire.

[@BuffRANGE]

Interesting do you have any links to this company? That is quite the feat of 5.7 being able to do that, since M995 can't even defeat level IV, unless we're talking about non NIJ Level IV?

[@wizzfred2]

@@BuffRANGE it is www.vbrbelgium.be/ (most of their catalogue are only for gov agencies), I had hear about 5.7 that will defeat level IV armor by a guy that is working in R&D department of FN Hestal. FN has at this time make a full test campaign for these ammo.

[@spartanmikek028]

I have an amor test no one has done yet. At least I can't find it. I would like to see what lvl 3+ with soft 3a behind it as a trauma pad would stop. I use this set up on my front protection. Would this give lvl 4 quality protection?

[@BuffRANGE]

It would not make it level IV. If a bullet penetrates the front of the of a III+ that soft armor has little chance of stopping it depending on the bullet.

[@nicholaddelioncourt7863]

TWC has a couple vids of this and the 3A gets cut through like it isn't even there.

[@firefighterforlife6673]

Camera angle in the start makes you look shorter than you are. Great Vid bud

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks 👍

[@f3nixfire]

Wouldn't mind some of those DM91s for my scorpion carbine! Cant seem to find it anywhere tho

[@BuffRANGE]

I guess the effort needed to make DM91 appear in the US is why they fetch $120/each among collectors :O

[@f3nixfire]

@@BuffRANGE Ya I figured that even if you could get them they would be insanely expensive. Makes .50 cal look cheap lol

[@lilmanop]

Should of tried the liberty civil defense 9mm+p they are 50grain copper projectile that goes 2000+ feet per second I've tested on tons on 3a plates and passed easily

[@BuffRANGE]

That round does poorly against UHMWPE. I’ve stopped it in level IIIa flexible armor.

[@jerryjorel]

That's wild I've seen a level III+ steel plate stop a .338 Lapua magnum.

[@BuffRANGE]

Steel is good at stopping projectiles of non hardened cores and under 3000 fps.

[@jerryjorel]

@@BuffRANGE some high quality level III or III+ plates will stop 5.56 going a little over 3,000 FPS I'm curious how a penetrator moving at only 9mm velocity's would do but these are so rare that I'll probably never find out.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@jerryjorel mainly because PE used in this video is weak against hard material which the 9mm used tungsten as a core. :)