Rare Coffee Battle: Geisha Coffee vs Kopi Luwak

A little controversial tasting today. We could compare two of the world’s most expensive coffees: Kopi Luwak and Geisha Coffee. One is glorified, and other is criticised for many reasons, poor quality & animal rights issues, to name a few things. We wanted to find out how do they really taste.
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[@indosipie]

Originally, Kopi Luwak had nothing to do with animal exploitation. It was all just a coincidence that some people found Civets dungs in the middle of the jungle in Sumatera, with coffee beans in it and then tried to brew it, and somehow people found out that the taste was very good. Why is it already expensive back then? well can you imagine, finding natural Civets dungs in a vast jungle? no one had the idea of putting Civets in cages at that time. The good taste and the difficulty to find these “naturally” processed beans created such narration which helped boosting the price. But, doesn’t it sound amazing, that nature already provide us with green beans which are ready for roasting? The wild civets do really eat coffee berries by the way. Of course, people then came up with the idea on how to catch up with the high demand and high price. This, unfortunately, created bad practices and thus a bad image for Kopi Luwak, as people started to exploit the Civets. Some people put the Civets in cages and force them to consume coffee berries. I have a friend who comes from Sumatera. He knew a Kopi Luwak “harvester” who still hunts the dungs in the jungle. Of course that takes a lot effort, money and time. But what really sad is that, the high prices that they established long time ago, enjoyed then by people who produce Kopi Luwak by exploiting Civets. This is what happen in some regions, which don’t have the phenomenon, wild Civets eating coffee berries. If only most people care about the history, and how things are developed, Kopi Luwak wouldn’t easily be judged as animal exploitation, which thus affecting those honest and hard working harvesters I mentioned before, as people started campaigning on banning Kopi Luwak. Of course, the bad practices aren’t to be tolerated and I strictly against such exploitation. What should be done is banning only those bad practices, and on the other hand encouraging the nature friendly process as well as increasing the quality of the coffee itself.

[@mikasuryapranata8107]

GeGe Eta very well said

[@manggalaputra2700]

how to cantact wild civet harvester?

[@sunflowers19100]

wow, i would really like to save your comment for my study

[@RonaldChristy]

Because Indonesian government doesn't care either about quality... We talking about coffee, palm oil etc. What government and Indonesian people said? "European want to Bring down our economy"... Why not make good governance and making good regulation and punishment to those making animal suffer... No, off course we need those bastard money, to buy European expensive car, and expensive bags...

[@Alpukat_]

Ok zoomer

[@leovoi]

Thank you Alex for appreciating "Kopi Luwak" from Indonesia and made an honest review about it.. we all know that it's a trend couple years ago, but above all that.. it's also really an Indonesian coffee that has become our culture. Thanks again, "Salam Kopi" from Indonesia 🙏

[@simonsletsplayidn]

Dokter kopi 👍👍👍

[@iwangmail]

Kalo nyoba kopi Joss di Jogja orang bule pasti tambah heran.. salam kopi Indonesia Dok.

[@yulpianakalimantanbarat-ke730]

Beli kopi luwak kemasan kayak gitu dimana ya? Buat oleh2 ke Amerika

[@cathyskywalker77]

Kopi Luwak is cruelly obtained by keeping civet cats imprisoned in small cages just to collect their feces!! Please stop this barbaric practice!! Do not purchase kopi Luwak.

[@yanuardhana6457]

back in the day Kopi Luwak are have many issues about environment, animal abuse etc, same as what people most say. In past Kopi Luwak are about history and about Indonesia coffee in era colonialism. Most Indonesia coffee now are good and exotic as same as Kopi Luwak itself, so if you want taste good Indonesia coffee in term Specialty you most buy from local roaster or buy from overseas roaster which have good coffee from good coffee producer.

[@n4tsuuu]

Agree

[@revimfadli4666]

There's actually a group of researchers from a local university(Institut Teknologi Bandung) who managed to replicate the fermentation industrially with bioreactors, making it more economical & ethical. They just don't want to market it as "affordable/ethical civet coffee alternative" because they're afraid of destroying the existing market And yes, Lembang luwak coffee is only as good as normal Gayo, which is much cheaper, so might as well buy that instead

[@edwickson]

First of all, as an Indonesian, I'm impressed that Dabov could find luwak green bean and roasted it beautifully. Second, I appreciate your kindness not to be blunt honest about the taste. Cause I know that was bad. Luwak was way before 3rd wave, so, no traceability. Nothing. Specialty industry in Indonesia never talk about luwak unless to joke around. Thanks to bring this topic.

[@azizhusseinz2083]

mending luwak white coffee gan

[@ariomintarja4539]

@@azizhusseinz2083 Coffeemix bang

[@alfiyannur7218]

Kopi luwak sekarang dah jelek kualitasnya, soalnya luwak nya sendiri di paksa makan kopi, yang seharusnya luwak itu yang milih kopi mana yang akan di makan, karena luwak aslinya cenderung hanya makan kopi kualitas terbaik yang ada di kebun Di tambah lagi jenis kopinya juga sudah beda, kalo di jawa dulu ada javanica, sekarang jumplah kopi javanica udah makin dikit, jadi yang di makan luwak sekarang bukan varian javanica tapi kopi varian2 baru, yang menurut saya pribadi secara kualitas cita rasa kalah jika di bandingkan dengan javanica

[@agussaksono7762]

@@alfiyannur7218 bener sekali mas broo... Sampai sekarang pun sangat sulit mendapatkan citarasa kopi luwak seperti awal2 tahun 80an....adapun di desa2 terpencil............ Salam koppi.....

[@edwickson]

@۞ عبد الله ۞ We have this iced latte called "kopi susu" in 3rd wave coffee shops. Basically it just singleshot espresso, some milk, palm sugar and ice cube. Very popular. Single origin drinker looks like alot but meh I don't think so.

[@revimfadli4666]

There's actually a group of researchers from a local university(Institut Teknologi Bandung) who managed to replicate the civet fermentation industrially with bioreactors, making it more economical & ethical. They just don't want to market it as "affordable/ethical civet coffee alternative" because they're afraid of destroying the existing market Now imagine Geisha coffee going through the same process...

[@konstantinosaristarchou3941]

What if these cats swallow Geisha beans?

[@no-trick-pony]

Geisha cat coffee!

[@manggalaputra2700]

Geisha Luwak

[@ikanberapi2189]

It would be Geisha Luwak

[@johnsenders12]

geisha luwak = phantom rolls royce

[@TheDesta82]

That supreme coffe

[@haroldlauhoyan]

Just tried the same experiment when i traveled to Taiwan,, geisha is way more complex,, but the kopi luwak is so smooth though,, but man, that price tag on my cup of coffee is hard to swallow,,

[@chonghuncho3275]

Personally, wild koffi luwak from Indonesia has amazing 3D scent and taste, one of my favorite coffee.

[@benjaminlush8570]

You can visit the coffee plantation in Bali and have it fresh! Pretty good.

[@cornemouton2740]

Did it 2 weeks ago, must confess, it tasted great !

[@joel784]

@@cornemouton2740 Ah yes you like coffee made out of shit

[@slugger777]

What grind size on the commandante is recommended for cuppings?

[@suckmywaffle]

something similar to an iced pour over. so depending on your grinder, around 6

[@romantrilo]

SCAA recommended fraction size range is 841 - 1189 microns, meaning 28-40 clicks on a standard Comandante. That said, 30 clicks is a sweet spot in most cases.

[@manggalaputra2700]

it's also very rare, because the civet is wild, they can choose the best coffee bean

[@amirullahyusuf42]

you should compare it apple to apple .... this geisha and luwak must passing on selecteds green bean (it mean zero deffect), have same post-harvest proses (natural, semi wash, wash, etc), roast it with same rosting profile and roast it with same coffee roaster, and brew it with same barista with same method... actually what I have read or heard or watch coffe in this case have point of theirs... like farmer (variety, MDPL, etc) have point (1-100) has 60 point, the coffee Roaster (developing taste) has 30 point, and the last is the Barista has 10 point. So, if you look back carefully roasting profile of kopi luwak more darker than geisha am I right and you try to compare it?? I thing it's not fair (sorry). I,m From Indonesia and I proud of Indonesia Specialty Coffee maybe the most Varition Coffee in the world... Why? Because We are Archipelago Country, and each Island have their own Specialty Coffee because We have 2 Ring of Fire Passing Us and make it so Unik.... I suggest u must try coffe from different Island, if I may recomended you not ussual Indonesian Coffee that world already know like Aceh Gayo or Mandheiling, etc maybe u should try this 8 Big Island in Indonesia . coffee name based where the was Planted (can be village or region) 1. Sumatera Island = Kerinci (West Sumatera) Sumendo (south Sumatera) 2. Java Island= Puntang (West Java), Garut (West java), Ijen (Central Java) 3. Kalimantan Island = Samarinda, Banjar (robusta), bati-bati (liberika) 4. Flores Island = Bajawa, Yellow Catura 5. Bali Island = Kintamani, Bedugul 6. Sulawesi Island = Toraja, Enrekang 7. Sumbawa Island = Tepal, sembalun 8. Irian Jaya Island = wamena, maonemani, jayawijaya thats some coffee I has taste and I posibbly write LOL. :) there so many variation for example on Java Island more than 100 variety (my guess) Sorry I comment too long and my poor english Thanks Note: May be U can make chanel Indonesian Coffee Trip 'LOL

[@thamtham4924]

Does geisha taste justify the price?

[@catofeden3443]

Now let we fed those panama coffee berries to the civets for amazing mindblowing shocking soda result

[@ikanberapi2189]

Kopi luwak is a just soft coffee But expensive ._. Only drink when have extra money

[@wenderis]

As you said, coffee is valued not only because of the taste and aroma, which can differ from ppl to ppl, but also because of its stories. Before, Luwak's main story was about some oppressed and exploited ppl from the global south finding way to taste that heavenly cherry their master were drinking: by observing how nature works and bold action. Basically, human ingenuity to gain access in the most dire place. But now, its more about the exploitation of animals. Logically, if the coffee is well sourced (no animal exploitation and traced origin) there shouldn't be any problem on paying a little more for an "okay, good" coffee that actually has an interesting one of kind history.

[@khrazy5150]

Panama’s geisha coffee just set a new record in Dubai: Panama’s Ninety Plus coffee company set a new record $10,000 per kilo ($4,535 per pound) in September 2019. Wow!!! I’m not a coffee drinker but as a Panamanian I’m proud for my country. And it didn’t come at the cost of animal abuse. Viva Panamá 🇵🇦.

It is so sad that animals are being exploited in this way in the 21st century. It's so useless and cruel. (okay, I'm not objective, since I'm vegan) But thank you for this test which shows how little interest there is in the Kopi Luwak.

[@simon_gautherin]

I fully agree with you but to be fair the treatment luwaks receive is probably better than what we do to cows to milk them.

[@onecingoz]

@@simon_gautherin lmao what simon, they are caged animals. Imagine the psychological stress that causes. Watch Earthlings by Joaquin Phoenix and you find how vile the industry is in the 21st century

[@febrikriss1781]

Are you from Dutch ?

[@j0morales]

Thanks for the vid, really informative

[@beck3740]

awesome battle. thank you.

[@mikri2008]

I'm having a wonderful cup of Geisha coffee at this time 😂 it's excellent. I had a Kopi Luwak earlier this week and I agreed with you. ❤

[@lookleft7288]

*Luwak white coffe paswordnya?*

[@theoldfashioned_]

The kopi Luwak is famous because the coffee is very smooth, all the harsh and bitter found in normal coffee get destroyed by the process of the enzyme in the civets stomach.

[@justhan9630]

So guys, instead of kopi luwak, we had tons of good single origin here in Indonesia, to name a few. Gayo Wet Hulled, Halu Banana, Argopuro, etc. So to think that indonesian coffees are more chocolatey and spicy tasting are (like some ppl in the comments think) kinda unfair. Sorry for my my bad english btw

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

True, we tried some delicious Indonesian coffees in the past! I hope to visit the country one day ☕️🚀

[@justhan9630]

@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip heyy u guys actually replied to me, thx, please do come to our country, i think we also have a varietal unique to our country (think of gesha for ethiopia) which is Kartika and Andungsari, rlly wanna spread the love for Nusantara/Indonesian coffee and correct ppl’s misunderstanding about our general coffee notes. To all the ppl who actually read this post, let’s be more open minded guys, it’s the third wave, and most importantly dont forget to enjoy your coffee :D

[@ameliaong6783]

I think chocolatey and spicy is nice though 😂. Didn't the Europeans come to colonise Asia for spices? I love our coffee so much more than drinking watery, "soft", tea-like coffee. Not meaning to start a taste war, but heck, we need to truly appreciate what we have.

[@justhan9630]

@@ameliaong6783 yeaa i agree, but the context my post is not that i’m trying to push the argument that some taste notes are preferable than the others but the fact that the single origins from indonesia differ greatly according their origins, heck even the coffees from mt.papandayan, mt.halu, and pangalengan (which i stated before) located in the same region of west java, but the 3 of them got a very distinguished flavor from one another. Oh and actually i kinda like the strong spicy and chocolatey coffee too, which many indonesians identify as papua’s characteristics of single origin. It really bring back the nostalgia of back when i still prefer the strong and bitter cup. Nowadays i prefer the one u called tea-like so cheers. Glory to all indonesians single origins 💪💪💪

[@mlvlee]

​@@justhan9630 and

[@kodratwasono]

“One of the best Indonesian coffee we ever tasted” and “preferable in blind tasting” but somehow the presenter presented it in almost always negative tones. I would say he had strong negative presumption on the coffee. Wonder why?

[@MrAbah105]

I think so, or probably he got bad sample

[@khirek5335]

Probably because of animal cruelty

[@FrankTheEpicTanka]

Hiyah Ales, quick question about the cupping section of the video. Do you know how many clicks you turn on the commandante when you grind coffee for cupping?

[@anafghhselena]

I thought Geisha coffe is from japan

[@rufina1476]

Did you actually pay for that? Are you not encouraging that industry?

[@klila16]

They buy one bag and taste it so that over 44 thousand viewers don’t have to.

[@morningcoffeepottery5416]

I had Kopi Luwak in Bali, Indonesia. It was the first time I could drink coffee straight, black without sugar or cream. It is the smoothest, best tasting coffee with absolutely NO bitterness. In fact my icon is the actual cup that I drank. Real kopi luwak is definitely worth it. The only thing I worry about is where it's sourced. I bought some from the plantation I was at because I could see where it came from. But I worry about buying more from other sources because I don't want to promote caging civets. So I go without, until I return to Bali next time.

[@coffeeman321]

What other coffee is the closest taste to geisha coffee in specialty coffees

[@hybridce99]

My suggestion would be a natural Ethiopian Yirgacheffe light roast. Very bright and fruity.

[@rbmanb]

Interesting. Anyways, if going with Geisha, should I get light or medium roasted?

[@melaniealie5842]

@@rbmanb light

[@bombomu2]

@@rbmanb medium light

[@lihenow]

how many C40 clicks you used for cupping?

[@memestv273]

Wow, I really need more video like this. Very enjoy

[@lloydmeadows414]

What are those glasses??

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

Loveramics Twisted Glass

[@michaellovric9975]

I visited coffee plantations in Java in the 70's. They would have half a dozen Luwuk in cages. Unprocessed cherries from various crops were stamped on the seeds and then presented to the Luwuk. Those that were chosen by the animals were labeled 'passed by luwuk' and this had nothing to do with the digestion process 'improving' the product. It is sad to see how this industry has developed, and I would encourage all coffee enthusiasts to boycott Kopi Luwuk.

[@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz]

35 dollars and not in a vacuumed bag? Come on

[@bubukill1]

I had the lucky chance of tasting the Geisha Coffee in every morning for an entire year, which was brought directly from Boquete, Panama; and this without spending any penny. All this happened thanks to my aunt who was a direct seller-agent from one of companies who produces Geisha Coffee, here in Panama. Sadly, those magical mornings ended abruptly cause she got laid off for being old already. Damn, I really miss the Geisha flavor on my everyday mornings ;/

[@Bugnarok]

Just to add as Indonesian, nowadays too many fake Kopi Luwak, even in Indonesia. The should be coffee not produced in natural order but by feeding the civet in the cage. And like many Indonesian said, the variety also different. Even for us Indonesian, it's pretty hard to distinguish the original one, unless you go to the right place and meet the farmer that collect those *ehem* from the jungle (not from cage). For me it's just so-so ... but yeah, the name and added this and that made it expensive, I wouldn't denied that.

[@stel1000]

What is the meaning of "the taste was full of fruit"?

[@PRSilva13]

Stelios Kapet I guess it’s what comes first to your mind when you think about any fruit

[@stel1000]

Pedro Silva I'm still confused..

[@TEDXX123]

What about kopi luwak made from geisha? Is it possible?

[@reanschwarzer6749]

Viva Panamá!!

[@adriancahyazahroni5063]

Please tasting experimental procces coffee from indonesia

[@paulusandre5012]

You should really go for java halu, one of Indonesia's best coffee (personal preference)

[@ThePr4na]

@Micky Calebro spare your time.. you shud have more traveling to java and meet some small farmer..

[@paulusandre5012]

@Micky Calebro i recommend trying malino, toraja, or enrekang arabica beans if you're looking for beans originating from Sulawesi. I actually am from South Sulawesi so i know.

[@paulusandre5012]

@Micky Calebro yes, enrekang kalaciri is very highly recommended

[@CupocafeCoffeebar]

Tx for this video can you please tell me more about the roast what was it like?

[@toni.rovinj]

BUT IT'S 40G OF COFFEE ONLY AND IT'S 35€ ...

[@coffeecrewco6371]

Geisha all the way!!!!

[@corwinblack4072]

Kopi Luwak from Brno aint good enough? :D Its 50g for 890,- CZK (35 EUR)as far as I know (for Arabica, Robusta is slightly cheaper).

[@iNinjaism]

As an Indonesian the price of kopi luwak is over priced

[@joel784]

World's most overpriced shit

[@iNinjaism]

@@joel784 facts

[@HaekalAlchatieb]

I never get consistent and tasty kopi luwak in my life because the civets is mostly forced fed not wild

[@frederickateng3779]

As Indonesian, i could said kopi luwak is just an expensive coffee, nothing special about it And u could get similar taste profile from Bandung's famous Kopi Aroma (they sell 8 year aged sumatra coffee) at price of $3 a pack of250gr

[@bodybuild2726]

Thank you

[@keithpp1]

To compare Panama Geisha with . Kopi Luwak is to go from the sublime to the ridiculous To say . Kopi Luwak comparable with other Indonesian coffee is a very low bar, Indonesia infamous for poor quality coffee, but irrelevant when we consider the cruelty inflicted on civet cats. No one should be engaging in this vile trade and anyone who does named and shamed and driven out of businesses. Shy nocturnal forest creatures kept in battery cages and force fed coffee beans. A vile trade in animal cruelty that no one should support. The animals are fed on a restricted diet of poor quality coffee beans, they are diseased and malnourished, their life span short. De-clawed, their feet and face cut and shredded as they try to escape from their wire cages. In the wild they live on a varied diet. Subject to stress by insensitive tourists for that must have selfie of their expensive coffee. One of the beneficial side effects of coronavirus it may have put out of businesses the coffee shops and the farms that supply them when there is no tourist income. Why is European Coffee Trip promoting this vile trade in animal cruelty? No reputable coffee roastery would be trading in Kopi Luwak. Drift no 9 Bali edition has an excellent account of the vile Kopi Luwak trade. keithpp.wordpress.com/2021/01/30/is-really-expensive-coffee-a-ripoff/ .

[@TheClasax]

Dear coffee lover....so many classes in "kopi luwak" from the cheapest one to the "best". As this video said... variety depends. I don't know the currency ratio, but there is one about IDR 10,000,000.00 yes, ten million rupiah per kilo and there is 500,000.00 not even a million rupiah. So huge difference in taste and price. Now...you got the idea. Lucky for you to taste the "best" one. But so many said they are the best. I even had tasted a million rupiah for a glass of kopi luwak. Surely never forget the tasted. But I had tasted the one that only cost you 25,000 rupiah, not even 1 % of the other price. Difference? I almost puke if I do not have my manner. So good luck...😁

[@mikasuryapranata8107]

Reviewing Kopi Luwak in Aug 2019 is not relevant anymore to specialty coffee enthusiast. You could find more interesting coffee producer from land of Java or Aceh highland. But probably gonna hard to get these, because domestic demand is also high.

[@acharyajamesoermannspeaker6563]

Even animal ingested and processed beans have controversy.

[@andyt4598]

How much is a cup of Sakura coffee?

[@IgnasButenasProfile]

I had to try Luwak. Tried it twice, both times - nothing special. Not worth the price and you can get way better coffees for such a price. And I always ask people not to buy it as I saw animals in a farms itself. They are not treated well.

[@iamachine92]

As Indonesian I can confirm that Kopi Luwak 's high price is just for its story. Taste wise nothing special, its dull, and yes animal abuse where Luwak (chivet) can't afford to live in a cage. So guys, let's cancel Kopi Luwak.

[@suryonoraees5447]

not true

[@PeckiePeck]

The acid-washed jeans of coffee.

[@TheTwon]

screw that, I just bought my first bag. stuff those Civets with more beans!!!

[@RyanHidajat]

I believe that one is caged luwak

[@muyashi21]

Thank you about a Coffee produced in Panama, I can not buy it here neither

[@timotiusyap8787]

how about if I tell you that I just got a 100g luwak coffee for less than 10$? I'll soon try brewing it.

[@manggalaputra2700]

u got scam

[@dhifaramadhan3722]

unethically sourced

[@Mukawakadoodoo]

What’re your guys’ opinions on Jamaican blue mountain coffee? Ever tried it before?

[@douglasbubbletrousers4763]

I like Blue Mountain coffee a lot

[@Mukawakadoodoo]

@@douglasbubbletrousers4763 so it is worth the hefty price tag? Like I tried Kopi Luwak just recently and was disappointed. About to try some Guatemalan geisha coffee next

[@thegodfather_8455]

@@Mukawakadoodoo id try, Kona, Yemeni, and blue mountain. Kopi lewak is a scam the aforementioned three are superior, I suggest volcanica coffee for your source

[@wangaykuo6472]

in my opinion this test is useless. becoz it filtered. use french press to brings out all the original taste of coffee without being filtered. and I say this is not because I am Indonesian. but I understand what I'm saying. because I am a coffee lover. that's just fair.

[@khirek5335]

It seems like you don't know what you're saying when the very first taste test in this video is literally a cupping of both of these coffees without filtering out the oils, a method that provides a few slurps very similar to a french press brewed cup

[@muhammadabrooramrullah996]

How lucky i am.. i could get 1kg for 29 euro here!! XD

[@Mr.Jezzak]

Panama Geisha coffee 👌

[@wangaykuo6472]

and all you need to know. Luwak coffee it does not mean real civet coffee. today many sellers use pet civets that are forced to eat coffee or they are starving. So I do not believe that Luwak coffee exists and there are many nowadays 🤣 because everyone knows the price is expensive so yes it is very unlikely that you will find it in the wild (this is actually civet coffee).

[@dada7064]

I have coffee farm and wild civet always consumes the ripe cherry, nature always select the best, meanwhile a pet civet will consumes random cherry

[@hayjors]

Geisha Coffee, meh? Luwak Coffee is the best 🤑😎

[@WasWild-cy2pe]

Geisha better than luwak (?)

[@willyvendy5310]

for me coffee same in the world, but i still like milk , wkwk

[@AnOtterCoffee]

Kopi Lewak wasn't interesting at all when I tasted it to be honest...

[@artypamungkas2315]

Luwak

[@lyantv25]

geisha de 🇵🇦 🇵🇦 Panamá es el mejor

[@bungdamsix12]

"your perspective"

[@babulsantai]

Please learn history before blaiming kopi luwak

[@christopereinhard3040]

You have to try gunung halu coffee from indonesia

[@holysteve157]

Are you sure gunung halu have arabica coffee?

[@Elijoonn]

👍

[@galangalfarisi6968]

in indonesia, u must try puntang coffee or puntang wine. dont try luwak coffee because not good. btw luwak coffee from south sumatra, especially from lampung

[@Boyetto-san]

I think it says a lot that blind tasting still had the Kopi Luwak being picked over the gesha. I'm by no means a fan of the idea of drinking poop coffee, but the prejudice that the specialty coffee scene has against it tends to be without sufficient context. There are many different factors that can make Kopi Luwak not as good as "legit" specialty coffee, including the fact that the coffee beans themselves were simply not farmed with the same care that specialty coffee tends to get. It's to say that rather than just dismissing the entire idea, it's more intellectually honest to recognize that the concept itself of processing coffee through the digestion of civets can be made both more ethical and more artisanal than the cash grab industry that currently dominates this style of coffee. Only given this can we really make the fair argument whether such a process really produces a "good" tasting cup of coffee. It's like James Hoffman hosting the video by Brazillian farmers growing, processing, and roasting robustas with a specialty mentality. It shows us that perhaps we just haven't seen this process done right, rather than completely dismissing it offhand from current products, when in the first place it was never a fair comparison to expect commodity robustas to stand up to specialty arabicas, when they're just not being compared on equal playing fields. The snobbery agaisnt robusta has been accepted as gospel for years since the third wave, and we're rightly seeing now that maybe there really is room for it in specialty coffee. This is basically to say that maybe we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to Kopi Luwak, you know?

[@khirek5335]

I think people mainly dismiss kopi luwak because of animal cruelty, not because they expect the coffee to taste horrible. I mean maybe that too but why pay an extraordinate amount of money for something that you can get for way less and without having to support putting animals in a cage and feeding them the same stuff for the rest of their life

[@Boyetto-san]

@@khirek5335 Well what I'm saying is that it's not intellectually honest to conflate one's moral objections with whether such a processing method really has a unique effect on taste. Even regular coffee historically involved horrible injustices, but we recognized that it could reformed to be done ethically and fairly rather than choosing to dismiss coffee outright. If digestion by civets doesn't do anything to improve the taste of good specialty-grade coffee, then it should indeed be dismissed. But because several variables have been so uncontrolled and/or unverified in these taste tests, I'm not convinced this is really the case. If it turns out that it does something uniquely desirable to the taste of good coffee, then maybe we should find ways to make it without the animal cruelty, along with improving traceability of the coffee in order to keep quality and price in check.

[@khirek5335]

@@Boyetto-san yeah thas cool

[@emenemes5678]

kopi luwak is a joke. its overpriced without any merit.

[@Snowfirez]

Gesha coffee is overrated. The price isnot worth the taste

[@HildegardChristianMysticBingen]

That grind didn't look very consistent...

[@kuncorohadiningrat]

Its all about the money comodity...all perspective can change if we dont see with our self ..watch with ourself eyes...so luwak or geisha...for me its just a product..about taste..let the citizent taste it..peace

[@MiroslavCvik]

Natacane v brne :) a titulky nepridané :( Inak pekne video .

[@wanairwan532]

Bangga dengan Kopi LUWAK...tapi tidak bangga dengan "pembuat" kopi LUWAK. Kopi LUWAK ya dibuat oleh Hewan LUWAK...itu saja. Sudah rusak nama Kopi LUWAK krn alasan eksplotasi bisnis. dari video di atas SUDAH SANGAT NYATA RAS KOPI LUWAK SDH LAIN.

[@knightowl2025]

Its just coffee 😂😂😂

[@СергейСмирнов-е3ф7д]

Who is the one who came up with the idea to brew someone's poop?

[@MartiusGao]

Don't drink Kopi Luwak or even buy it, just let it die.

[@mariacristinaarezzi]

Hekko

[@azizhusseinz2083]

Because coffee is considered as valuable commodity during colonialism era. So, local people only able to drink coffee which already eaten by Luwak. Yes, the original Luwak coffee originated from sh*t.

[@deek3048]

It looks like you got something up your A that doesn't want to come out. Did the coffee help?

[@KristiawanBeni]

give the civet geshia coffee to eat. then make geisha luwak coffee to make it more expensive

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

I think it's gonna ruin the rich fruity flavor of regular geisha. Better give the geisha green bean to your best known local roaster.

[@semisweetmonkeyswedding]

隔靴搔痒

[@singularity333]

Kopi literally tastes like shit.

[@6md]

Please do not purchase, drink or promote kopi luwak. It is extremely unethical and cruel.

[@zuccyou1350]

Here in the Philippines, local civets in mindanao are considered pests by farmers because they kill pet chickens and attack children, because of that they are being hunted in the past to be eradicated and eaten. When they discovered about Civet coffee however, instead of hunting them to be killed, they domesticated the farm pests and treated them like TRUE PETS. They are fed with best crops and there are no reports of animal abuse anymore towards this animal. That's why i dont get it where these "unethical and abusive" connotations towards the coffee. If not because of this industry, Wild Civets ("Alamid" in our language) will be an endagered species right now. I dont believe in your "testing" because i can clearly see the bias in there. If only Kopi Luwak was in a "glorified" light, i bet you will change your tone. Although i understand that you guys are protecting your reputation, this video is really biased for me, you guys should have researched more about its history i guess.

[@ola5510]

Im from Indonesia , i like luwak 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻