Rare iBook G3 Prototype (with WEIRD Bug) - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures

[@ComputerClan]

Enjoy the new episode! Thanks, Greg and Hap, for making it possible! Also, if you'd love to support me and get your own autographed copy of my new "Notch Book" click here! Enjoy it 😇 etsy.me/3EhWzfi

[@FranNyan]

... not for nothing, but why are you selling it on Etsy...? Do they even allow non-vintage books to be sold on there?

[@luk_143]

Hi good vid

[@ComputerClan]

@@luk_143 thank you : )

[@gurillamann6534]

@@ComputerClan comment me or i will unsub

[@flp322]

Wow, that’s pretty expensive! Any chance you’ll release it as an eBook for a more reasonable price?

[@jaegan438]

From the specs (466/DVD/Firewire) This sounds more like a prototype for the iBook SE, that just happened to be built using Blueberry plastics that they would have had readily available.

[@patriksonestad8208]

Exactly my thoughts too. It would make perfectly sense to test the upgraded internals in a standard colour shell so as to not draw unwanted attention.

[@krnlexception]

@@patriksonestad8208 > It would make perfectly sense to test the upgraded internals in a standard colour shell so as to not draw unwanted attention. It might be that because when testing iPhone 4, prototype was using a case that looked exactly like iPhone 3GS

[@imacg5658]

@@krnlexception the iPhone 4 model might have been designed with field testing in mind. I don't think Apple would put effort into camouflaging an iPhone for it to be just used internally, as that would have no point. If they used it outside of the apple environment, that would make sense because of the fact that if it looked like a prototype iphone in the public, it would raise suspicion, and likely get stolen.

[@krnlexception]

@@imacg5658 someone got their hands on it anyway xd

[@ZacabebOTG]

I remember how some developers used folders with custom icons and spaces for names to create tiled backgrounds on installation disks. It's been over 20 years since I've used a Mac, so I get really nostalgic seeing old versions of MacOS.

[@vanhalenbr]

I might be wrong but looks like they’re testing the 2nd generation upgrade with the old design so they could test on field without being noticed easily…

[@tipoomaster]

That's pretty neat. It's interesting how the internal notes seemed, kind of not professional back then? Like the hidden folders to have instruction text.

[@MisutaaAsriel]

I think that's just a macOS < 9 thing. In macOS 10+ you can create folders with custom backgrounds and icon arrangement, but macOS < 9 I want to say such functions were not to be found; to be clever, software devs would use custom icons to provide branding or instructions to the end user. (Ive played with macOS 8 in emulation, and some software CDs did the same thing.)

[@tipoomaster]

@@MisutaaAsriel It's a clever workaround for sure, but it seems a bit hacky for a tester, but then again this was the 90s

[@desepticon4]

@@tipoomaster The more professional, end-user facing, way back then would have been to tile a larger image using icons as the tiles.

[@_framedlife]

You'd be surprised how hacky internals of almost any software or hardware you use are even today. You can look at the hacks apple use even on M1 series hardware if you follow Asahi Linux bring up titbits. They document weird configuration and behavior apple has even on these hardware which are cleanly hidden from general public in macOS. You can also see this if you follow parts of libraries or software that apple has open sourced. Same goes for Windows, Linux, x86 hardware, any other ARM hardware, etc.

[@Steveos312]

2:13 - I highly bet that 5 digit extension dialed to that "Medimac" center was routed on a very old Bell System Dimension PBX (or an earlier AT&T System 85) since it's so ironic that Apple never replaced their deskphones as fast as other Avaya customers. The "phones" Apple was using prior to Steve's return were extremely outdated.

[@Time4Technology]

Interesting insight!

[@Steveos312]

@@daneberryman Well when the circuit boards and phones were no avail by 1990, no one had a choice but to upgrade to the Merlin-like telsets. Apple must had paid more to maintain the 70s gear with AT&T...

[@vmhanlon]

Oh and MediMac was indeed the internal support lab (several labs actually) for the hardware during development. Pretty much anyone who had a unit for test/development went through them for repairs (some) or rework (a lot) to provide hardware fixes as they were identified.

Maybe it actually runs at 600Mhz, but without any cache? That could have similar symptoms. No idea how to verify it on old MacOS.

[@davidleemuse]

I love the misspellings on the hardware tag: "Process" and "Osillator"

[@near5148]

Lol

[@TheGlitchyMario]

8:14 I’ve never seen someone so exited for a thumbnail to render.

[@miniroll32]

Seeing how well that LCD picks up on your camera... It reminds me of how, even at the time, those displays were a class apart from most other products. Same with the iMac G3, just a beautiful Trinitron display.

[@TimurTripp2]

The iMac G3 never used a Trinitron, it was a basic shadow mask CRT. Only a few of Apple's standalone CRTs were Trinitron like the Apple Studio Display 21", one of these cost more than an iMac for just the display and they're massive.

[@X-OR_]

A Lot of these prototypes came out of DTS and Apple Service after Diagnostics software and Service Documentation is written.

[@MaxOakland]

What’s DTS?

[@X-OR_]

@@MaxOakland developer tech support (moof)

[@MaxOakland]

@@X-OR_ 🐕 🐄

[@JulesStoop]

@13:18 Seeing folders for both ‘Apple Holland’ and ‘Apple Bunnik’ is somewhat surprising. Apple’s Netherlands (a.k.a. ‘Holland’) regional office used to be in Bunnik (a town near Utrecht) back then. So one would expect a single entry since ‘Bunnik’ and ‘Holland’ both refer to one and the same regional office.

[@Charlesb88]

That trick of using a folder without an icon to use the folder name to place instructions in a folder is something Apple and third-party Mac software companies had been doing back in the 90’s and 2000’s, only stopping when software on disk became no longer a thing at some point in the 2010’s. The most common way you’d see this done is when you open a read only floppy, CD/DVD-ROM, or disk image file and you see a folder with installations instructions for software in an iconless folder’s name such as “Click here to install this program-->” with an icon to the right of the software’s installer program. Another example would “Drag this icon to the Applications folder to install-->”. So this wasn’t just used in prototype/testing machines but on some install media. I also recall another interesting trick that used empty folders where they would put special icons on empty folders that when all matched up would form a picture thus providing a hack to allow a background picture on software media.

[@DrBagPhD]

Damn, it's almost depressing to see how easily upgradable and repairable old Apple hardware was. Fascinating video!

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

Thank you for providing a link. So many times I see a youtuber do a collaboration with someone and mention their name, but zero links, and the name is like "George" when their youtube channel name isn't even remotely close to their name.

[@ComputerClan]

You're welcome! I like to share my friends' channels. It's the least I can do in exchange for their help. 😇

[@vampyryannik7334]

This episode is awesome Ken! Love it!

[@ComputerClan]

Thank you : D

[@anthrobug]

Hi Greg, great video - awesome trip down memory lane :) Those internal disks for non-prototypes usually had the standard apps Apple uses like Office and stuff, plus Norton and other utilities to help employees fix the systems either on their own or with Apple support. They also had the internal TCP/IP settings to connect via vpn and log into the internal network, where those server icons would work. I was an SE in higher ed from 2000 to 2005, I probably still have a couple of those disks in the closet but they're not much use now. Thanks for the video!

[@sebastianruedac]

In South America there where a lot Blueberry lunchboxes (That is what we called them) with fire wire, I even have one in Storage at my parents house in Ecuador.

[@dhoffnun]

Remember when iTunes' most prominent buttons were for ripping and burning CDs? How times change...

[@someguy2741]

The firewire might have been omitted due to a licensing issue. Pay us 5 dollars a machine or we wont unlock the feature on the chipset. At that period of time it was pretty common, like old cell phones... my fancy Motorola phone had all kinds of excellent features but they were mostly locked because the carrier didnt pay to unlock the features.

[@theforerunnerreclaimer]

Sort of the same deal with the original xbox and DVD playback

[@someguy2741]

@@theforerunnerreclaimer Exactly. There is either a licensing issue... or the one chip that is needed costs 20 dollars. So if its not the premium one or deluxe they just leave the chip off but leave all the other stuff on there since the plugs and other small components cost a few cents and it would be a headache for manufacturing.

[@annjrue]

I don't know how you keep getting all these prototypes, but man they are a treat to look at.

[@ComputerClan]

Well this one was generously loaned by Hrutkay Mods, and he has some more videos about it on his channel. : ) Thanks for watching! kzbin.info/aero/PLLcYxRX9ndMFXChR6tVLduS326TaJkQjU

[@eraldway]

My friend had a prototype that had the Apple Logo that was not upside down. I believe it was lit as well. Steve Jobs insisted in it facing the user instead which led to the Logo being upside down. So now the upside down apple logo looks bad when it was lit, so they literally put a piece of tin foil to block the display backlight from lighting the upside down logo.

[@termedpolecat40]

I’ve been waiting all day for this

[@P2PC]

Hey Ken, I have been working on a neat concept for PowerMac G5 late 05 models. I have designed a 3D printable AIO bracket to be used on the G5 CPU to mount original model Corsair H60, H80i and H100i coolers. This was tested on a single processor machine but theoretically should work on a quad G5 too. As links are banned in comments you can find it on my Thingverse page under the name "PowerMac G5 AIO Mounting bracket for Corsair H60". Thanks to anyone interested in this project, please note physical dimensions and features are subject to change as I improve upon the design. THIS IS NOT COMMERIAL SPAM I'm merely trying to get some recognition for my concept cooling system, I am a fellow retro computer enthusiast before anyone cuts to conclusions.

[@drygnfyre]

Regarding the absence of FireWire on the original G3 models, it's likely because FireWire was considered a "pro" interface at the time. It was only seen on the PowerMac models. I don't recall it coming to the iMac until the 2002 G4, after the later iBook models had it. By that point, though, the iPod was also coming out soon. Seems Apple eventually made it a more "consumer" interface. It's only speculation, of course, but I would imagine it's got something to do with that. They did something similar in 2008. The original unibody aluminum MacBook omitted the FireWire port. It showed up on next year's revision but was then rebranded to MacBook Pro.

[@JP-sw5ho]

I had an original iBook blueberry back in the day. The 400 sidewinder processor and the FireWire port would have been game changing

[@valley_robot]

My 2012 MacBook Pro with SSD and 8 gb of ram struggles to do two things at once , As much as I loved it , it’s time to go back to windows

[@nslouka90]

My 2012 works great for multi tasking, maybe consider swapping out the ssd for a faster one or checking to see if something is secretly running in the background.

[@valley_robot]

@@nslouka90 it works great but it’s slow , I have a more modern windows laptop with 16 gb of ram and a much faster processor with a pretty powerful gaming GPU , the MacBook will go to a good home , I used it for music production for a very long time

[@HrutkayMods]

Those Disembodied set of hands were very nice 🤔

[@CocoaEm]

hmmm. I wonder whose they were...

[@BilisNegra]

So you loaned the machine AND a pair of hands here, right?

[@WolfmanDude]

I always forget these things are actual laptop computers, even pretty powerful for the time. The transpartent plastic shell make these look like some toy, like those learning laptops for kids with a cheap monochome LCD inside. Strange to see an actual full color screen and a hard drive inside!

[@FMRG7009]

I have been waiting for the video! I have been sick but magically I’m no longer sick

[@randytheracer3664]

6:46 me talking to my truck when it makes a new sound

[@woodentrainseriesofficial9511]

6:45 the clock speed reads at 600mhz *beep* “don’t beep at me.”

[@pineappleroad]

I nearly ran out of air laughing

[@MaxOakland]

Your book looks so gorgeous and well made

[@ComputerClan]

Thank you 😇

[@Ellarian_Liara]

what are the chances if you take it to apple and plugged it into an ethernet port that it would connect to those network locations. Their security woudn't be that bad would it

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

I have an PVT iBook G3, making it my first prototype Apple product for my collection.

[@pacmania1982]

The folder thing wasn't just used by Apple. Lots of cover CDs or retail CDs had fancy graphics when you opened the window.

[@zach_c]

The system on the wrong clock speed is still faster than my 2017 iMac running Big Sur

[@LoftechUK]

Merry Christmas 🎄

[@SniperPIKACHU]

I remember in the old days it was normal to wait for the computer to load mostly anything.

[@garyuppledycktyke9073]

Yay I love this guy

[@droningwesternaustralia]

I wonder what wouldve happened if you were connected to the internet, clicked on one of those Apple servers if you could've remote logged in

[@santi100a]

6:46 Don't beep at me!

[@blackcoffeegarage]

Man I should do a vid with you & Greg about my G3/G4 collection LOL gotta LOVE the blueberry iBooks

[@jerrybomcool]

Very cool to see! I have an original iBook clamshell graphite and I’m having issues with booting it, I keep getting kernel panics and I’ve tried fresh install and got the same issues with the extensions and I don’t know why. There is no hardware test cd for these so that software you have could possibly work in helping me find if there is a hardware issue?

[@brianwoodcox9878]

Lmao I find it hilarious that Apple’s asset tags have not really changed at all in all these years. Don’t ask me how I know that.

[@Celineelisexo]

I really wish they would remake this laptop but obviously upgraded. I just was never able to have one I was born in 1996 lol. or at least make a laptop case similar to it so we can I can put it on my laptop

[@stpworld]

You know the polkadots seller also left alot of negative feedback for other people on ebay. He seems to maybe be steeling them from other sellers and doing false charge backs to. Some of his items may even be fake to.

[@Batistagamer89]

good video. . . I really don’t have a lot of words so yea and I really don’t type a lot in comments, but still good job with this video. 👍

[@ComputerClan]

Thank you : )

[@h77gamer48]

I love your videos please make more I see your videos all of the time also the old videos I see all of the time

7:50 Still better then my 5 years old mobile

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

Now access that server at the IL 1 building.

[@wazitSomethingISaid]

These prototype videos are great!

[@jamesdriver0317]

I actually want an iBook G3 just for a video trying to use in 2022.

[@MaxOakland]

I have one I might be willing to part with. What do you need it to do in the video?

[@jamesdriver0317]

@@MaxOakland I want to try using it instead of my MacBook Air lookalike for a week

[@virtualtools_3021]

PowerPC 2022 challenge

[@MaxOakland]

@@jamesdriver0317 like as your official computer?

[@jamesdriver0317]

@@MaxOakland just for a week, then back to my MacBook Air lookalike. It’s a challenge I want to try

[@MACBoricua]

Super cool, specially while I’m working on vintage apple channel… thanks, Krazy Ken, for an excellent video!! 😇👍

[@ComputerClan]

Thanks for watching : D

[@LapisTheWolf]

Is it possible to change the hardware inside in order to make it compatible for high sierrra? Or higher? That would be pretty cool.

[@davidjamgochian]

Great info

[@MSmith-Photography]

LOAD THOSE THUMBNAILS! LOAD THOSE THUMBNAILS! 🤣

[@ComputerClan]

Never before has the big screen been filled with such gripping drama!

[@leonidas14775]

That's not a bug. That slowdown code is supposed to activate when Apple releases a new generation of iBooks.

[@ComputerClan]

👈😎👈 yes

[@Isthatchicken01]

Imagine using the screen saver images as a speed test for your iBook

[@digital-lifeform]

I have two old clamshells that I just can't figure out. They run open firmware v1.2, but refuse to boot just about anything I throw at it claiming that the checksum is bad. Tried all the ISOs for clamshells I could find and disks that work on another clamshell I own. Any ideas? I assume they wouldn't be having pre release firmware

[@oliverearnest7081]

You sponsored yourself wow

[@itsyeeoledskoolfurry3208]

Soooooooooooooooo... That's a COFFEE TABLE book.

[@andresbravo2003]

Holy dell Ken, this is great.

[@kbhasi]

(6:31) Ah yes, Apple's Blueberry theme

[@jamesyoung6878]

Can you dump the HD of this rare internal installation of Mac OS 9

[@saharshnair1258]

I like how he talks about a book called "the notch book" but in 2022 rn we ca buy our own notch books for 1k

[@avinashthakur80]

It's surprising to see that the Apple logo looks upside down when we open the lid.

[@justinvzu01]

The book seems pretty neat, but I still hate notches.

[@sadmac356]

That bug though!

[@nikolan123]

Windows 11 ice cream in background lol

[@adamtheman17]

why a book? i mean the boot you released why?

[@kathynguyen3582]

Could you do a scam review for vicenro watches. They act like they are so different but they're nothing different about them. Thanks man.

[@carrboro_chapelhillfpv2442]

I have the same model. It was from a school.

[@MaysonClarke]

Hey Ken! I really want to know where did you get that picture frame with the iPhone disassembled in the background?!

[@ComputerClan]

gridstudio.cc - They are AMAZING.

[@MaysonClarke]

@@ComputerClan thank you so much!!!!!! Love the videos been watching for a while now😁

[@LivingImage]

Great 👍

[@damienhartley3222]

So is the G3 a power PC device or standard Unix PC.

[@salmonsoup15]

Still not as slow as my old computer

[@MrMegaPussyPlayer]

14:27 And Apple Tech falls under Scam Tech ...

[@bruhmandude555]

Still loads faster than my 3 year old pc

[@patriotsgaming7189]

Is the misfiring hand branyac brent

[@jjohnson71958]

i love firewire 400

[@imMattNz]

Hey! This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but could I do an unedited interview with you, or you can choose what to cut out. I’d pay 50 bucks, I think it would be super cool to chat with you for about 30 minutes about old apple stuff and quirks about all of these old school computers. You can also just like do it over zoom with me, so it could be like invoice, interview done haha.

[@CRinYT]

CUDA? I though CUDA is NVidia’s technology, and you reset the CMOS ;)

[@realcyphox5919]

apple is all about design and stuff, i really dont know if back then there were people that thougt "wow, this design looks great, i wanna have it", but nowadays imho it looks like total garbage, sorry. looks like a learning computer for kids or maybe even worse. yes, i dont like apple as a brand. sorry.

[@microgames10000]

I am whatching this on an iMac 24 inch

[@rebeccahetrick6576]

Scam tech sounds like the name of the fake company a super villain uses as a front in a Disney movie

[@damian9303]

Is the Mac OS 9.1 Internal Build available for download?

[@ComputerClan]

No. Thanks for asking.

[@chickenx2382]

What is the name of the song of your intro

[@easycompzeelandold2521]

Gen 3 with ssd like 1 sec boot time :p

[@Me_rdm]

Hey I have some prototypes myself and maybe we could try to work something out so you could show them on your channel

[@ComputerClan]

Sounds fun! Send me an email and we’ll talk. My contact info is in the description.

[@Me_rdm]

@@ComputerClan OK I will send you an email. I also have a few store display demo not for resale and promotional Apple devices and some ones that I don’t know what they are If you’re interested

[@francesquare8708]

Are you ever gonna get the G3 prototype working?

[@ComputerClan]

We some plans, but it's really tricky! Stay tuned. On Dec 30, we're revisiting something else that broke… something that exploded on me a couple years ago. 💥

[@francesquare8708]

@Computer Clan “we some plans” anyways that explains a lot, thank you for your reply ken

[@Dedicated2WendyWilliams]

ok video, and i say "ok" because there are WAY WAY too many advertisements in this... like u hit the new level of annoying... and i loved seeing this ibook

[@minhnguyen-gd5bz]

Gigabytes: 12.90 GB (6.9 MHz)

[@charlesconto3154]

My iBook G3 has the word “PVT” on the ram slot on the motherboard, what does this mean? Thanks!

[@ayoutubechannel6488]

Product validation testing, I think that's the final prototype stage before it goes into production where the design and features have already been finalized

[@ComputerClan]

^ What they said! It's been a while since I formally researched it, but PVT is a stage which generally takes place after the DVT stage (Design Validation Test), which takes place after the EVT stage.

[@LordPenguinVR]

Aaa...yes my favourite country Cork

[@giomac6464]

I have a iphone that has a notch it a xr

[@sycamoregrad901]

That’s not “blueberry.” It’s “bondi blue. The “originale “ iBook.

[@rickzoder6955]

18 Min :)

[@nectarthemanokit9607]

Can you install Linux on it?

[@bigdeagle1331]

I hated this era of Apple