This Cave Shouldn't Exist

[@RareEarthSeries]

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[@sparklesparklesparkle6318]

stop picking on caves that cave has every right to exist just like you or me. also im drinking Mickey's rn.

[@ihurtmyarm]

Bottoms up!

[@DasIllu]

At this point i wouldn't be surprised anymore if a future moon mission came back with some ancient norse archeological finds 😀

[@RenayEmond]

💯KATA is a #TrueCanadianHero🇨🇦 ✌🏽❤🙏

[@littledikkins2253]

That hand hewn cave looked to be the work of master craftsmen, not sailors and explorers. It is fully possible that who ever was responsible could have made repeated visits for some reason. As for the Statue, it was likely destroyed as ''pagan'' and any containers of ashes in those niches would have been destroyed by either the Portuguese or Portuguese priests who went there as the island was populated. My Godfather was born and raised on this island and I was there in the early 60s.

[@ChrisLeeW00]

"The Norse were here, too" feels like an archaeology meme at this point.

[@ewetoobblowzdogg8410]

Maybe Neil Armstrong found a viking flag there first?

[@ewetoobblowzdogg8410]

@Nicholas E Only Odin knows...

[@joshuabruce9599]

It kind of has the same energy ad Adam & Eve asking God who that old lady is down by the lake in the garden of Eden and God replying "Oh she was here when I turned up. And the lady is the immortal Wyeen Elizabeth. Anywhere and everything that exists on Earth was apparently found by the Norse first.

[@NPzed]

@@joshuabruce9599 And where ever the Norse folk made a new landing, they would walk over and great the old woman. And she'd ask for some tea.

[@pashakdescilly7517]

@@ewetoobblowzdogg8410 So that's where the expression 'O, dunno' comes from

[@peyoteranchuk741]

Just a note that Columbarium also means dovecote, roman's named the style of tomb after their word for a dovecote because of the obvious resemblance

[@SubitusNex]

Came here to say exactly this. It's funny how all these years after the name was created, we look at an old structure say "oh that's a columbarium. Which kind? I don't know" hehe. Anyways, fascinating new discoveries and interesting thoughts.

[@Hansulf]

Yeah! I was thinking on the Colum word. Resembles that of Colom/Colon/Columbus, which means dove! In fact my grandpather has Colom as his surname

[@yancylevy5779]

Exactly, it comes from the word “colomba “ which means Dove 🕊

[@zirgaoec3784]

Yup, that's why dove=colombe in French, and colomba/colombo in Italian

[@CharveL88]

@@Hansulf I'll bet you're relieved it ends with an "m" and not an "n" though!

[@homemurso1484]

You should've look for prof Félix Rodrigues when in Terceira island. He's a physicist professor at the Azores University and been studying those "anomalies" as an hobby for years now. He was the first one proposing a pre portuguese presence in the archipelago and the first identifying and studying that "columbarium" you talk about there and hundreds other sites scattered all over the island.

[@RareEarthSeries]

I did, thanks! He's where all of this information came from, for the most part. I read and summarized virtually every article he has ever written or inspired.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

​@@RareEarthSeriesyou seem to have done a very good job.

[@moriz1037]

You took all the information from him and didnt even mention him?@@RareEarthSeries

[@joaodebrito3711]

​@@RareEarthSeries It would've been nice then to speak well of at least one Portuguese that helped you with this content. You make no mention of it in your video. One gets the impression we Portuguese are all proud and ignorant. In Portugal, we know we probably weren't the first to find Azores. And we've heard of the norse hypothesis, which by the way doesn't shock us. We still found it. Doesn't matter if it had been found before. We don't pretend to have been the first. You probably just spoke to someone less educated than you. And you took advantage. Still, that man deserved your respect. You were stepping his land. And you repaid by mocking him online. Guess that's not so rare... The topic is interesting, but I pass this channel for the arrogant approach. As for the norse hypothesis, you speak as if you've reached a brilliant conclusion, but that's not new. Your video even shows a sign pointing a viking trail. Yeah, you're really clever...

[@chrisaitken8800]

@@joaodebrito3711 👏👏

[@brianonley]

statue was "....broken into pieces, brought back to Lisbon and subsequently lost ..." The basic storyline of our entire history on this planet.

[@shanecodman1842]

Check out Jon Levi he has discovered a lot of our true history

[@EzekielBrockmann]

Our history is lost in Lisbon?

[@tomfinn739]

"Don't let anybody think for you; most people can barely think for themselves." Love it. The one I came up with is lots wordier. Some people feel thinking is a pleasure. Others feel it's a chore. Most, having never tried it, have no feel for it at all.

[@veronicascott313]

Critical thinking is trained out of us. Instead of thinking about if something seems plausible or credible, whether the young attractive person has any real knowledge or is scripted we just trust and believe.

[@helenlesley5456]

Tomfinn739 ….Thanks for that jem… think I will put it up somewhere for all to see🎉… keep them coming😊

[@velvetindigonight]

Higher Order Thinking :- Critical thought Problem solving = Enjoyment!

[@velvetindigonight]

@@veronicascott313chuckle chuckle just noticed your comment after adding mine !

[@apokalypthoapokalypsys9573]

"People are so stupid, I'm the only one who can think"

[@itstheazorean]

Amazing video! I'm Azorean (from São Miguel) and this video popped up in my feed and I decided to watch it just by the title and was so surprised to see that, not only it's about the Azores, but also this isn't just another travel vlog, but about something I find so interesting and I wish it was talked about and researched more. Back in school, we are taught that the Portuguese discovered the islands (still I don't think it gives the right to some Lisbon boomer to be offended lmao), but I do recall teachers mentioned it was actually more like a "rediscovery" but they never went in-depth - maybe nowadays they do, not sure. As a tourist guide, I occasionally get asked about the (re)discovery of the islands and I'll definitely be recommending this video - so thanks for it! I hope in the future further and proper research into this is done. :)

[@RareEarthSeries]

Thanks! Hope you enjoy the remaining videos of our Azores season. :)

[@Romanology]

I’m Azorean too (from Faial) and I clicked on this video fully expecting it to be about some place in Europe , not the islands I’m from!

[@rotundavian5792]

Eu acabei de sair de São Miguel beijinhos da terceira

[@kennethjohnson4280]

I was in the US Navy for 20 years. To this day, even in powered ships, we still sail past the Azores. This is weird, though. The amount of carving that would be required for the Phoenician-styled caves would take more than a season. I agree the stuff is certainly not Portuguese. Your right; this needs more research.

[@friendoftellus5741]

I very much agree !!! But mainstream archeology does not seem to think that such discoveries is consistent with their theories !

[@MrBottlecapBill]

That rock looks very soft and porous actually. Probably wouldn't take that long at all for a skilled mason. That being said I suspect it was a tomb that was never used once the inhabitants were exposed to the first volcanic activity. They probably left in a hurry after discovering it. The soot would have been from heating the stones before rapidly cooling it to make the carving even easier.

[@CoffeeKillersClub]

@Post-Apoc Posadist Space Dolphin Earth is Atlantis. See I can do that, too.

[@CoffeeKillersClub]

@Post-Apoc Posadist Space Dolphin Just... shut up, please. You can say anything you want, I'm not responding.

[@401Rob]

Who cares? Just like Columbus didn't "discover" America. He wasn't the first. Let the old man be.

[@andrewhinz8909]

It would be interesting to see a follow up that explains what specifically ties the second set of caves to the phoenecians or the punics. Evan said that they were closest aligned culturally but also said they weren't studied that well. Would go a long way to confirm.

[@fredsimmons2793]

The Cannanites also had state sponsored child sacrifice, and they gave the sacrificed state supported crypts.(although on a more individual level),but on a massive practice!

[@anna-lisagirling7424]

Andrew Hinz>> You beat me to the punch! Those sites need some serious archeological studies but then, they might mess up the current cultural chauvinism. Tedious. Thanks for the great posting!

[@allenvaughan1]

@null null Hello... I read your comment, and it intrigued me. Could you please direct me to - what I'm guessing is common knowledge of the Carthaginians being of Phonician ancestry(?) Did I read that correctly? I think that is fascinating. Please tell me more...

[@allenvaughan1]

@null null Wow. I didn't know this. Thank you!

[@restoretheearth2829]

@@Ian-nl9yd Oh yuchy. Such nasty human stuff going on.Before I have breakfast. Thanks. 👍🐑🐏

[@webpa]

Having lived on Terceira for a couple of years in the 1960s, and as a student of both Atlantic weather and currents, I can easily believe the theory that the Portuguese were not the first visitors. I have also visited caves on the island in which one can find truly strange carvings and constructions.

[@jmlkinc]

Whenever your hope in humanity feels low, it's therapeutic to watch a Rare Earth video and feel wonder towards humanity again.

Behind my house is huge granite bedrock showing from the soil. Whenever I do something to or on the rock with modern tools I get to think about the past, how people done things… Makes me appreciate them and their wit. The caves and your story are one more reminder and they way you tell the story was captivating. Thank you.

[@DireWolfForge]

The caves may be pottery drying shelves, the other cave used to fire them. If they were using the island as a waypoint it would make sense to have the ability to carry more water, food and other sundry items in pottery.

[@josephmedina6403]

He only talked about the cave for 30 seconds

[@johnbruce2868]

Where are the pottery sherds? It's usual to make some surface finds of such archaeological evidence. Are there even local deposits of suitable clay?

[@roblane9215]

Also, the pots would be much bigger at that time. 2 to 3 foot tall.

[@isaackellogg3493]

Could it be a coffer dome that got buried and turned into a hill? In that case the niches would be structural members eroded over time.

[@MattColbo]

I don't have anything of value to add to the conversation but I had a great time watching this one, Evan, thanks man :)

[@polohey]

Great narration, no annoying background music, and beautiful scenery. I'm definitely subscribing

[@SimonEkendahl]

When you stand in front of the cave about 0:04, I really thought the notches where paintings that depicted a bunch of faceless heads!

[@leboyneski5464]

I'm currently studying history at university and the thing that fascinates me about it all is that nothing is static and that even tiny pieces of archaeological evidence can turn our whole view upside down.

[@alexapuerta]

There are some things that are hard truths and then there are the truths you have to dig for evidence for. As a history student, your job is to interpret history using this evidence and provide sound reasoning. Not only the tiny pieces that can change things but so can bias, like the man at the party, so we have to be as objective as possible, but is that possible? Questions you'll come across in your later studies of historiography and metahistory if you haven't already. Good luck with your studies! - a history grad

[@nesa1126]

Do you like Randall Carlson?

[@CharveL88]

Just try not to make the common mistake of assuming everything that your respected teachers tell you is fact, and not just a best guess. It happens in every field and profession that certain things are considered established fact and basically unquestionable. You'll find this out soon enough if you get into Egyptian history, as the science is hampered by national pride which is heavily biased toward a historical narrative around how and when structures were created. If they tell you it's just "conspiracy theory" stuff, just follow the evidence yourself and do your own analysis.

[@maoama]

I hope you find a job bro. I didn't.

[@standingbear998]

no, the false interpretations to fit the narrative screw things all up. 'universities' are leaders in propaganda.

[@wiegraf-FNC]

it has been a while since I've lost myself in your storytelling. the soothing voice and the compelling narrative make me lose myself in a dream of a lost world rediscovered in the early 19th century. I feel like a reader of an explorer's journal lost in a forgotten path of yore. thank you for bringing these feelings into my dull life.

[@homefrontforge]

Mystery, discovery, adventure...how can one's imagination not be stoked? I share your dream.

[@caleb-gd7wp]

I've been watching all of your videos this week, and I must say that what you've done here is perhaps the most impactful thing that I've watched in a long time. You have a remarkable ability to show things from the other side, and my perspective has benefitted from discovering you. Thank you for what you do, it's important. ❤️

[@JustSomeInternetDude]

Lizard steals the show @6:33 . Upper right hand corner

[@alexanderalexander7404]

I love watching an academic mind present a well reasoned and additive argument well supported by reprovable evidence. Thank you for taking me along for your thought process. I benefited from it.

[@damienthetexasian6827]

Spent almost a year on Terceira stationed at that military base. Amazing place. We experienced hurricanes, earthquakes, and volcanic activity. Took an island tour and saw amazing thermal vents, wave battered rock beaches, and a tiny island in the middle of a lake in the middle of a forest. All in an 18 × 22 mile island. San Antonio is bigger than this island.

[@006ahenry]

I lived there for 2years. My dad was stationed there. I was 11/12 years old. At first I hated it. Then I loved it. Once I got exploring the island.

[@jeremiasrobinson]

I am an anthropology student right now, and I do study portuguese, so I will keep this in mind. Thanks.

[@dylancooper787]

How's that PhD dissertation coming? I'd love if you actually were the one to investigate this further

[@jeremiasrobinson]

@@dylancooper787 I'm still just a student. My GPA is 3.9, though, if that matters.

[@HerbertLandei]

My last vacation was on the Azores (Sao Miguel, to be precise), they are beautiful. The Norse were there for sure, there are too many bits and pieces to ignore. It's absolutely possible that other people discovered the islands before the Norse when trying to get back to Europe or North-Africa.

[@M167A1]

The big problem particularly when proposing something new is coming up with sufficient proof. For example let's take a discovery of Roman amphora in the harbor at Rio de Janeiro. Did they come on a Roman ship or someone else's? and at what date? As an example recall that the city that has the most intact Egyptian obelisks is Rome itself, they were largely imported by the Empire not modern Italy. Likewise if I find a troop of Vikings in a cave in South Dakota.. it's going to take a lot of supporting evidence to decide that they got there on their own somehow and not at some later date. /

[@tsmspace]

how about King Atlas??

[@samuelalmeida7895]

Where did you find those??

[@Krokrodyl]

@@M167A1 If you find Vikings in South Dakota, they probably came from Minnesota.

[@alexapuerta]

@@Krokrodyl The genetics are certainly there and in North Dakota. 😄

[@MyNamesChai]

You never miss a beat with your videos, in fact you may actually be the beat

[@handimanjay6642]

I spent 2 years on Tercerra in the 90’s in the US Navy. Our youngest child was born there. Beautiful island and the natives were hospitable. Ever town had festivals and they would stop cars on the main road and direct you into there celebrations.

[@cs3705]

Oh wow, I just put this on because the idea of an interesting cave was cool. I wasn't expecting to hear so much about the Azores, much less about Terciera! No one seems to have heard of these islands in America. My grandmother was from Terciera before marrying my grandfather when he was stationed at that military base you mentioned after WW2. I have always wanted to go there and see the place for myself, and this has given me more encouragement to do so! Thanks!

[@eksiarvamus]

I'm not Portuguese, nor am I Scandinavian, but I literally found out about the Norse discovery theory of the Azores one day before you posted that video. I don't even know whether to call it KZbin algorithm...

[@cathjj840]

Try synchronicity of the universe...

[@princekyros]

Law of probability and all that jazz. 620k people have watched this video, the odds are not low that something like this happened to 1 of those viewers

[@NONANTI]

Google is monitoring your dreams and feeding them back to you.

[@kevinsellsit5584]

"... Don't let anyone think for you; most people can barely think for themselves." In this, Evan speaks the truth. Or, at least I believe him. As a historian, like all others, they offer what they believe. Where I KNOW, much of history is lost. Forever. Thank you for this insightful and entertaining look at history in question. It gives us something to think about.

[@franciscojlopez7113]

You have a very good prose. The viewer can tell the labor you go through writing the screenplays for this interesting videos. Thanks a lot.

[@drewdam8871]

How refreshing! Thank you for your bright thoughts on the subject of long lost and forgotten civilisations. This was my first visit to your channel and it certainly will not be my last :-)

[@Oblivisci........]

Honestly one of my favorite channels on KZbin. American travel channels are usually inundated with stupidity and how to be luxurious or party and hang out with other Americans. Barely are there channels that dive into the local culture and embrace being a citizen of terra rather than just being there for purely selfish reasons.

[@anxietywave8735]

This is genuinley the most fascinating video I have seen recently. Those ruins could potentially be the sole remains of a long-lost micro-civilization.

[@pbohearn]

So amazing. I moved to PT a year ago and the Azores are pristine so beautiful and now these ancient ruins that look like they could go back to the Phoenicians which makes sense into the lost world of Atlantis perhaps. On the mainland here there are circular burial sites similar to Stonehenge that are out in the country in Alentejo that you get to buy a dirt road that nobody even knew about except the local sheepherders until about 1970. Apparently these sacred burial sites are about 5 to 7000 years old! This is a ancient culture or a community of people that have the technology to move these extremely heavy stones into patterns that coincide with the stars the sun and the seasons. We see these also in Spain they’re all over it’s so fascinating so mysterious and so frustrating that we know so little!

[@a.karley4672]

The archaeologists see a lot of similarities between various Neolithic cultures from Orkney to Portugal (via Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany (NW France) and Galicia (NW Spain) and see reasonable evidence for an "Atlantic seaway" culture. Which is perfectly reasonable when you realise that on land, you can cover up to 30 miles per day, carrying almost nothing, as long as you don't run into problems with the locals, whereas by boat you can make easily 50 miles per day (when the wind cooperates), carrying appreciable freight, and there is a good likelihood that the fishing village you see with a good harbour you met last year, and are about to discover your newest child. The Phoenicians needed some way to find out that there were valuable tin, gold and copper deposits up there to trade for their goodies. And Julius Caesar had reasons (metals, principally) for his 43BCE invasion of Britain.

[@mokachoco89]

Oh man, no point on arguing with old portuguese men! 😅 Take it from a portuguese woman! As a history afficionado I got to say that Norse people were probably EVERYWHERE before any other European nation. Norse and early Polynesian explorers are often ignored and to me were truly a few of the first great explorers of the world. And I got to read more about the Phoenicians that was really interesting! Wonderful video! You got a wonderful way with words! *Edit* I got to say, as someone who is somewhat acquainted with the archeology scene in PT, it's not that "no one cares" about this particular site but more like lack of financial aid and government interest in the field of history and science. Conservation, studying and protection of heritage as well as scientific research lack a LOT of financing. I've heard researchers complain that in PT they have to count each cent. Things got a bit better now days but it still lacks and most of the focus is on the mainland as usual. The islands are often forgotten.

[@carpediem4091]

Exactly this. We have these old carvings in stone somewhat near the area were my parents live in Portugal and besides the local municipality bringing some awareness to it a couple of years ago, it's basically hidden in the forrest and it's mostly the locals that know it. The stone is exposed to the elements and people didn't really take great care of it for the longest time. It's so badly preserved that I doubt you'll still see it in a couple of decades while it has been there when humans were still nomads in the Bronze age. The place is called "Outeiro dos Riscos" btw

[@a.karley4672]

I had a few days driving around in Portugal while the wife got set up in her new job, including visiting a couple of known megalithic sites - which were very overgrown. Fenced off (at least some nodding towards conservation), but the stoned buried in intermittently cleared scrub, very hard to get any impression of the layout of the site. And that was one which had been fully surveyed decades ago - and by the look of things hadn't seen anything apart from one man with a brush-cutter since.

[@deborahharvey854]

Watch 'skeletons of new Zealand' hosted by Gabi plumm Chinese, Persian and Egyptian navigators sailed far and wide😮

[@maralfniqle5092]

You do know that Phenicians lived way before the Norse don't ypu?

[@charles2521]

You guys very uneducated. At that time the Germanics/Norse were just beginning to arrive on the Scandinavian peninsula (they are not native there), while the Phoenicians and other civilizations of the Fertile Crescent were already thousands of years old. As I said in my previous comment: "For me, this is more evidence of the Phoenician expeditions to Northwestern Eurasia (“Northern Europe”). Along with Baltic amber in Phoenician cities, words of Phoenician origin in Germanic languages and the “Viking ship” which resembles Phoenician ships thousands of years before (from the structure to the details in the symbolism)." Not to mention that today experts know that the Phoenicians were the first civilization on the Iberian and Italian peninsula. Old history books used to say it was the Greeks, but this has now been debunked.

[@Tordvergar]

This was one of the most surprisingly superb youtube videos I can recall seeing. Really excellent work! And I appreciate how you didn't over-sell your thoughts on the subject. It remains mysterious, but very worth investigating. By the way, I find it hard to believe that modern forensic techniques would fail to find traces of burnt human remains from those tiny crypts, if ever such remains were stored there. Also by the way, the Phoenicians were pretty impressive sailors. And being part Norwegian I have to add: So were the Norsemen.

[@babyrazor6887]

they remind me of Malta. With the fluctuation of sea levels throughout history and prehistory it's impossible to determine who actually lived there for most of there previous history lays at the bottom of the ocean.

[@AndreSilva-vi8ps]

As a portuguese I found this video extremely interesting. Not offended in any way and may have some extra bit of info that might surprise some. We hear very often people say the Açores were deserted islands with lush vegetation but no people. However if we read the original account of the discovery there are indigenous people mentioned. It's a small detail that was/is not convenient to point out for many I guess. Other issues came up also when a genetic analysis was conducted on the islands with the most notorious surprise coming from the east asian marker(s?) found in Corvo and Flores population. Hope you get to make a follow up on this one in some years time. Best regards

[@PlatinumAltaria]

We know nearly for certain there were no indigenous people, because there are no artifacts. Humans leave piles of garbage everywhere we go, you can't live on a place for thousands of years and not eat anything or use any tools. The position of the Azores means it was unlikely for humans to find them; there are lots of islands that are similarly uninhabited because the winds don't work out.

[@nonstopinertia]

What is the original account that mentions natives?

[@CharveL88]

Yeah, I didn't hear anything about an indigenous culture or see any evidence of that so far. A stop-over for ancient mariners and explorers perhaps but nothing about a generational settlement.

[@TheAussieRod]

Mate, indigenous peoples in the Azores?? Where did get that from?

[@lowriderpardonme4553]

Sad how civilized? people look at "natives or indigenous" as something other than people. I can see how they would have said the island was deserted even though there were people living there.

[@shaorandra]

I hope an archaeologist sees this video and decides to investigate the caves!

[@rogerrabt]

just watch out for them randy deer!

[@joshuaoha]

The Portuguese government might not be too keen on allowing it

[@infinitelink]

@@joshuaoha Why? They'd get fame, money, tourism, probably cross-cultural interest with Syria, Israel, Libya... We are talking abandoned/non-permanently-inhabited sites, so no other country has any basis to claim that places... and between Portugal and US military presence, it's not like it would matter even if tomorrow they find a hatch going down into the remaining neo-neo-neo-neo-etc.-Carthaginian subterranean empire! It seems like nothing but a massive win for Portugal to do so they can to bring investment into the country for archaeology and expanding the data available about pre-Roman Mediterranean civilization.

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

Do you really think that the archeologists don't know about this? Do you think that is not already been done?

[@RareEarthSeries]

For the most part, it hasn't. The only things done have been extremely recent out of Terceira's university, and it is yet to reach the radar of common institutional knowledge elsewhere.

[@Hut9111]

When I was watching this I kept thinking, is it possible that Phoenicians had found a way to get to Britain for tin during the bronze age. And then in the return trip if it was a certain time of year they'd land in the Azores, before as you said returning when the winds favored it. We know that there was a massive amount of bronze in the ancient Mediterranean and that there weren't any close deposits of tin other than Afghanistan and the British isles.

[@theendlessweltkrieg7276]

iirc the Egyptians and Hittites of the Bronze Age, before the Phoenicians, already had a tin trade with Britain that far back. extra fun fact: Mycenaean Greeks had a lot of trade and contact with the Nordic Bronze Age culture

[@thaumatik]

@@theendlessweltkrieg7276 I always wondered, because there are some similarities in a way I haven't been able to put to words.

[@rconger384]

Have you all heard of the 2008 voyage of Phillip Beall and The Phoenicia? They built a circa 600 BC phoenician ship and circumnavigated Africa in a clockwise direction. They sailed their vintage vessel out of the Red Sea into the Indian Ocean, past Madagascar and around the tip of Africa. Then they tried to make for the Mediterranean but were blown far into the Atlantic before the winds were favorable enough to make it back through the Gibraltar Straights and back to Lebanon. A few years later they sailed the same ship back across the Atlantic directly to Florida proving the "experts" wrong and that a 600BC vessel could in fact have made a transcontinental voyage. EDIT: It was Philip Beale not Phillip Beall. Sorry. He was the leader of the expedition and had a career as a Royal Navy officer before that.

[@MistyGreggCarriger]

Is it true that they made it to Tennessee?

[@theendlessweltkrieg7276]

@@MistyGreggCarriger absolutely not. save for the polynesians and norse in the 1000s and obviously the peoples in the Bering Strait, there was little to no contact between america and the rest of the world until the european rediscovery of the americas.

[@hullinstruments]

I’m soooooo glad to see a new video from you …..and also the great performance/views it’s getting!! Your channel is one of the best things on all of KZbin

[@MyHalcyonDaysAreHere]

My tail is down between my legs in shame as I kept on wondering where the Azores is, I kept hanging on as surely it'll be mentioned or a map will be shown. Nothing after 5 min. into the 12.30 video so I had to stop the vid to google. Then as I continued this quite engrossing documentary of this lost civilization or abandoned island, finally the sea routes were shown on screen giving the location of where the Azores likely is. Altogether taken, this video really piqued my interest as to what really happened in this island and the possibility of where they ended up if ever. Really great to watch. And so in keeping with the spirit of not disclosing the location of the Azores, the subject of this documentary, I also decided to not divulge it's location after googling where it is exactly ;⁠-⁠) Subscribed !

[@MarkHatlestad]

So glad you’re active again. You always are able to frame things in the most fascinating way

[@joeshabado1431]

Your storytelling is excellent. Love your channel. Keep on keepin on.

[@Mmnc-bv3rk]

Im portuguese and i did not yet know about this. At first i too was a bit offended, the discovery archipelagoes were in a way the begining of the discoveries, however your video is compelling. On top of that, i know our country either doesn't care or doesn't have the monetary funds to explore ruins. There are ruins of a massive roman fish paste farm in Troia's caldera that are still mostly buried, by mostly i mean 80-70% if i recall correctly, might be exaggerating. Its a beautiful place and you can see bits of the ruins along the river beach, you might enjoy visiting it while you're visiting portugal. But my point is, we've known of them since forever and still leave them mostly ignored. (There's a museum with guided visits that explores one of the tips of the factory, but i havent gone there in years and dont remember how far it extends, looking from outside, not very far) (**** This is "somewhat" wrong ****)This is even worse in Tavira. If i recall correctly, (i hope i do) there are buried ruins of, pre roman, large cities (and one roman too) belonging to at least two different peoples next to current day Tavira. Those ones i think haven't ever been excavated in any way, yet they could be quite historically significant, (possibly very important on an Iberean scale, i was made believe). (****) (**** this too ****)It is with sadness that i say these things. Im fond of our history, and that my own country seems to not care (anymore) is disappointing. (****) Thank you very much for recording a bit of our land's history and for disseminating it. You have done a good deed, and im very thankful for it. Correction: There's a house in Tavira whose owner wanted to build a pool. Sadly for him, his house happened to lay atop layers upon layers of different cities' ruins. Because said ruins are legally protected, they have to be excavated before the owner can build his pool, however i think they're still being excavated. My meager internet research didnt have many results, but i remember not being able to see the bottom of the pit. Many different civilizations had built upon that same place, phoenicians and greeks included, i believe. Curiously, the romans settled a bit farther from the current Tavira. So it was wrong of me to use this as an example of us not caring... I still regret Troia's ruins not getting more funding, but i cant say Tavira's aren't explored.

[@paradiseexpress3639]

They don't care

[@wiegraf-FNC]

muito interessante. obrigado pela informação.

[@samuelalmeida7895]

A partir do momento que há estrutura romanas deixa de ser permitido construção nesses locais

[@Mmnc-bv3rk]

@@samuelalmeida7895 faz sentido, assim pelo menos ficam resguardadas. ...Tive a pensar ontem, e se calhar não exploramos ruinas como as de troia completamente porque ou já têm edifícios em cima, ou provocam mudanças demasiado grandes no ambiente, ou por falta de vontade politica ou financeira... Sinto que saltei logo para a ultima conclusão (um pouco por habito), mas também me incomoda deixarmo-las degradarem-se, mesmo que só algumas partes...

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

Give the owner an inflatable pool lol, guy just wanted to swim xD

[@restoretheearth2829]

In 2003, the internet had the info that Finland had a sea going trading empire that extended from eastern Russia to northern Scotland and Ireland to Iceland, Greenland, and northeast America. The Finnish king and queen were exiled by the Swedes in either 1056 or 1075 AD. I greatly regret not having made hardcopy. It was a peaceable kingdom.

[@handimanjay6642]

The Azores are fascinating. I was stationed on there for 2 years in the early 90’s.

[@MrMaiaBang]

Hold up fellas, interesting earth philosophy youtuber just dropped new mini documentary

[@versi0nzero]

we been waiting for this one

[@tucker9162]

Love the little gecko making an appearance at 6:33

[@jaybee9269]

I didn’t see it?

[@TrondBørgeKrokli]

@@jaybee9269 If you start looking at the white wall on the right hand side of the shot (Evan's left) just below the edge of the slanted roof, and start watching from approximately 6:30 to 6:35 you will see the gecko pop out from underneath the corrogated roof. Enough to make me smile.

[@taviss2775]

Hahaha, I was looking for this comment as soon as I saw his little gecko head pop out of the roof🤣

[@jonothanthrace1530]

Tiny visiting friend

[@jonathanbush6197]

I'm happy you are making these videos again. Your channel is the only one I would watch about extraterrestrial mummies.

[@alistairkewish651]

These sub titles knock the sox off everything else I have ever seen. It is so accurate it puts all other titles in the shade. I'm really impressed.

[@aunrah02]

Broooooo! I have missed this channel. You guys used to be my favorite channel. So happy to see that you're back

[@DragynryderMW]

It is amazing that as a species we know so little about ourselves.

[@chaserofthelight1737]

Every 75 years history changes.

[@mathieud23021983]

@@chaserofthelight1737 yes, that is true. How is it possible that so many great ancient nations are so easily forgotten? The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, ... They suddenly perished and no one continued to honor the history. So weird. Written or photo or film indeed did not exist yet but you would think that there would be more remnants in those cultures. Great viaducts, pyramids, ... were suddenly forgotten. Nobody knew anymore how they did it, why they did it, ...

[@chaserofthelight1737]

@@mathieud23021983 may I ask, are you from the US?

[@ginamcgill7054]

@@chaserofthelight1737 I think perhaps Mathieu is making a little mischief at your expense. Civilisations don't generally rise and fall within a single human lifespan. Large scale monument building often takes several lifetimes. Your '75 years' is the historical equivalent of Alzheimer's - goldfish constantly discovering a new castle every orbit of their bowl.

[@chaserofthelight1737]

@@ginamcgill7054 lol I love the Alzheimer’s-goldfish analogy it’s was hilarious. I’m talking written and in cases oral history overtime. Over time a culture’s history being nothing like it was, and in these cases being totally forgotten.

[@leonardo.1024]

Very interesting! Also impressed by the extent of your use of qualifiers to explicitly call out assumptions you're making, not a lot of KZbin does that.

[@travcollier]

Yep... This is how to properly present speculation.

[@ravenfeeder1892]

I've also heard that Irish Monks made the trip before the Norse, although I can't remember where I saw that.

[@RareEarthSeries]

We covered that in our Norse Newfoundland episode (first man), and it is an interesting idea no question

[@M167A1]

It certainly interesting but one thing to bear in mind is that doing something once is a stunt. The Norse demonstrated they could venture to and return from North America repeatedly even if they didn't do it for a tremendous amount of time.

[@DrUltralux]

Carthaginian traders makes sense. A lot of old maps were included into 14-16th century maps, which explains how it would appear on those maps prior to being explored. Carthaginian merchant fleet, trapped for a few seasons on the island, who passed on the information for generations before it passed into myth and was eventually forgotten. Only to be rediscovered by the Portuguese later.

[@tymz-r-achangin]

Bottom line, NO ONE is ever going to prove with absolute certainty concerning who discovered a particular land. Artifacts dont prove who discovered it first. Artifacts only show that a particular culture of people had resided there. There can easily be a particular person or group of people who were literally the first to discover a particular land, but they were not the ones who settled there and developed the culture which is left for modern day archaeologists to sift through.

[@nathanseper8738]

You're an excellent storyteller, taking an obscure concept and using it as a commentary on the human experience.

[@sheep1ewe]

Yes, why not? I have been there long time ago, i really love the Islands, but i guess it's a bit too remote for mass tourism, which also probably helped to protect those old mounments.

[@GuntherRommel]

Great to see Evan so animated again. A far cry from some videos, it's a joy to see.

[@guilhermecrlima]

In cave houses in Göreme, Turkey, there are 'pigeon holes' like these. They report that they were used for birds to make their nests there. the bird droppings were then collected for use as fertilizer.

[@anthonysalonek9462]

they have some big birds.

[@YDuskyCricket]

😂🤣😂!!! At 4:30, you bring it back to your topic after laying context, and I totally forgot what the topic was; just following along soaking up some random history is obviously what I do, 🤦‍♀️😝.

[@RinoaL]

I think this helps make ancient trans-atlantic travel that much more believable. I could see this being a small populated point between two destinations.

[@realhawaii5o]

I'm Portuguese and we do hear about the possibility of Norse, Romans, Carthaginian or Phoenicians having been there before because of the earlier maps. However, most definitely it was empty when we got there.

[@mzple]

That is fair, something can be found, abandoned than rediscovered. Happens all the time.

[@islamdo]

This is what KZbin meant to be Informative, discovering new things

[@tomwoehle3519]

What people utilized oars. Most likely these people would find and inhabit land that by your observation would require intricate use o trade winds to locate.

[@mariachakkunny1203]

Actually people from Africa whose script is similar to that of the Phoenicians crossed the Atlantic to reach the Americas...they probably made a stopover at the Azores.In the 13th C Mansa Musa of Mali attempted this crossing because he knew of the land beyond the great waters from stories passed down through his ancestors.

[@shiningarmor2838]

7:46 It's probably a good thing that it's behind a metal door, someone might go in there and wake up the Pah Wraiths

[@wzupppp]

Those caves look more like something id expect from a north-african tribe. Cenobio de Valerón is a cave system on the canary islands and looks strikingly similar. They were supposedly made by North african Guanche (Berber) people. Unfortunately there are many lost civilizations out there that dont get their credit.

[@llywrch7116]

I was wondering about the possibility of these pre-Portuguese inhabitants coming from Western Africa -- but it would depend on how easy/difficult it is to reach the Azores from the south. Historical information about sub-Saharan history is difficult to obtain. I'm interested in the history of Ethiopia -- which can be traced back at least as far as their conversion to Christianity in the mid-4th century -- & the books & articles are either difficult to find, rarely found in public libraries, or very expensive to buy. And for the rest of sub-Saharan Africa is even more difficult. (Archeologists tend to avoid exploring places that are difficult to reach &/or subject to military conflicts. Amongst other barriers.)

[@Morbacounet]

- why did you film the other cave ? - horny deers. - and ... ? - they don't take "no" as an answer.

[@Arctichamer]

In the late 90s I lived on Terceira for two years. I explored the island and say many wonderful things. I worked on that military base. This is the first I'm hearing of these particular caves. Now I want to go back and see them.

[@73zetelhado]

Im portuguese and i can say that history books teached the azores we're found after a eruption on one of the islands and the column of smoke was seen by fishermen and reported to authorities .the rest is easy to understand . No megalithic construction or ffunny caves were ever mentioned

[@_Painted]

The Romans mentioned some distant islands in the Atlantic where especially honored soldiers were sent to retire. Some people think it was the Canary Islands, but maybe it was the Azores and maybe “retire” really meant interment in that urn cave.

[@leokorn1629]

the romans did not know the atlantic.

[@jessegauthier6985]

​@@leokorn1629are you being serious?

[@lynettecarter9887]

Still best show ever thanks again to you your wife and family.been here since first episode 💖

[@HisameArtwork]

👆

[@TruthRobinson411]

Love that your little lizard friend decided to join your video (time stamp 6:33)! Can you find him?

[@davidhorn6008]

FACT - The Portuguese discovered 'The Azores' . "The old man from Lisbon knew what He was talking about.

[@rand0m0mg]

All i gotta say. This aligns perfectly with the theory of an extinction event around the end of the ice age. Sea levels rise and the island atoll(currently underneath the sea level) are covered by water.

[@thefishkeeper8149]

I KNOW RIGHT, AAAAA

[@scyfrix]

How does it align "perfectly"? The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago. The Phoenicians emerged 5,000 years ago. Bit of a gap, there.

[@rand0m0mg]

@@scyfrix because the greeks talked about the sunken islands as part of their folk memories. The stories of Plato describes islands outside the pillars of Gibraltar in the middle of the sea, but not in a contemporary sense. This could explain how their civilization was so far advanced at the time, because it was not isolated cultures but the continuation of some other, far more ancient, cultures. The recent archeological and geological discoveries help back this up. The two meteorite impacts recently discovered in greenland have yet to be dated properly, as it requires extensive drilling.. but they could help explain the abrupt end of the last glacial period.

[@scyfrix]

@@rand0m0mg The stories of Plato also describe a continent he pulled out his ass, and were clearly written to glorify his own philosophical ideas, so I don't know why you're citing him for geological theories. Who was "so far advanced", and how? I assume you mean the Phoenicians? Do you think there's no possibility that a culture famed and renowned for their maritime prowess could find an island without help? I think you're talking about the impacts at Hiawatha glacier? Wish you would just give names so I don't have to spend 10 minutes googling to be sure of what you're talking about. But even the (extremely, excessively, unrealistically) optimistic guess is that it's over 12,000 years old, and a study from March 2022 dates it to ~58 million years ago, so either way I don't see how it's relevant to this video.

[@rand0m0mg]

@@scyfrix You clearly are not very well read on the matter, nor have you read Plato. He clearly refers to other scholars at the time, ones who traveled to Egypt to translate EGYPTIAN records of Atlantis. The "guess" you were referring to was not a dating of the crater but the dating of the area 10 kilometers away. The studies clearly say that an actual dating would require drilling into the glacier that is above the crater. People like you dare not propose an alternative explanation for anything, you do not produce explanation but you love to take the academic cheese(the intellectual cowards position) of being a critic... which is far too easy to be.

[@johnnyktech]

These are the kinds of conversations I like to hear, argue both sides with logic and facts. You earned a subscriber good sir🤙

[@michaelhowell2326]

I think it makes all the sense in the world that some folks from Mediterranean civilizations would have inevitably been tossed into the Atlantic by storms or shoddy navigation. And if they did, some would have made it to the New World and probably the Azores.

[@hellurmoto3163]

@7:43 those plants on the side of the big door TOTALLY look like Taro leaves 😍😍 those are the healthiest giants ever! Lol Us Polynesians loooove that, we call it Lusipi in Tongan & Luau in Samoan, & Rukau in the Cook Islands 🤤😍 a true delicacy

[@trex3003]

Really cool presentation! The Phoenicians and Carthaginians were all over the place. Incredible sailors. Subscribing.

[@Utubesux]

The most interesting and highly anticipated content on this platform🍻

[@hostedbysimples]

I am portuguese, and this is just mind-blowing just to consider that we weren't the first ones that came to those islands. Like everything I've been taught in school is being reconsidered. Definitely going to ask my teacher about this.

[@TrondBørgeKrokli]

I hope your teacher is still curious and research-minded enough to consider this an opportunity to see the history of the Azores in a much wider historical perspective than previously.

[@zuo3063]

I wish I could like this one ten times over. Top notch work!

[@Runetone]

Those wheel tracks in stone. Looks like the one in Malta...

[@jimmywhitlow2012]

The Egyptians were trading with South America thousands of years ago. There were hundreds of corn cobs found by archeologist in Egypt. And there have been Egyptian artifacts found throughout North and South America.

[@TonksMoriarty]

Now all we need is for someone to find something incontrovertibly Ancient Egyptian buried up near the banks of the Mississippi and my mind will be officially blown!

[@amandadonegan2137]

Theres carvings in Rocks somewhere on one of the big American Rivers....and in Australia that are Egyptian. And Legends of men who came across the sea in local First Nation legends. Robet Sepehr did something on them. Might be on his channel or Atlantean Gardens...thats him too.

[@poetryflynn3712]

@@amandadonegan2137 Be careful what you find on the internet. That guy is widely seen as a quack.

[@barneymiller7894]

They found an ancient Russian carving of a wolf's head buried in a field in the US, iirc it was in Iowa or Idaho. Theres also the "Tuscon artifacts" which are lead crosses and other Roman artifacts from about 700-900AD which were found near Tucson Arizona inside of a geological formation suggesting they had been there for several hundred years.

[@poetryflynn3712]

@@barneymiller7894 I can't say much on the wolf's head [considering native americans often carved animals, I have no idea of the connection], but the Tuscon artifacts with a single google search is a hoax in almost every regard.

[@barneymiller7894]

@@poetryflynn3712 Makes sense, I watched a history Channel documentary about it. Should've expected it was bullshit lol never trust the history channel!

[@route2070]

I think there is a 3rd definition of discover or found that, for exploration, everyone forgets about. To find and tell everyone else. If I am a talent scout or agent. And I am the first to sign a singer, actor, or model, everyone would say I discovered them. Or as a personal anecdote for exploration. One time. A friend drove me to his house, and let me stay the night to catch a Greyhound bus the next day. I woke up and his girlfriend drove me to downtown before she went to work. While waiting for the bus, I found a restaurant. He lived just outside of town, went to high school there, and he never heard of it. We said I discovered it, since I stumbled on it, despite them having other customers, since he didn't know of it. Say what you want about the people who sailed from the Iberian Peninsula to the new world (or the Azores) they did some horrible things. The Norse may have been there, there may have been natives in many spots. But the Europeans, Africans, and Asians didn't know about it. I think for most of the world, discovered can still apply. Lief Erikson stumbling on a bit of land, or existing natives does no one in the old any good, if they never hear about it. We just need to be mindful of what kind of discovery, or what kind of find we are talking about.

[@oxkingo]

Great video! I loved your video and im also azorean from São Miguel. There is one person that started popping this questions, Professor Felix Rodrigues from University of the Azores! He has some videos on youtube ;)

[@RareEarthSeries]

Yes, his research inspired much of this video! I am very grateful for his work!

[@JBond-zf4dj]

Coukd it be possible they had ship damage and were there longer than one season?

[@pttpforever]

I really enjoy learning all the latest finds in archaeology. That's how this video showed up on my feed, of course. Well, since there are no formal studies of this cave and it's environs just yet (Then again, maybe studies have begun by now, a year or more after this film was made.), allow me to offer a guess. As soon as I saw the entrance to that cave and those intriguing niches in the far wall, I knew I'd seen something similar before, It reminds me very much of an ancient Roman ossuary. Just add a skull in every niche and there you have it! But why all the soot on the ceiling? Well, so far, no one's dug into the floor of that cave. Are there burnt and even gnawed human bones? Seems to me it's fair to say that cave has been around for a very, very long time and in the course of all that time, humans have visited it over and over again. Whatever valuables might have been there at one time are long, long gone. Maybe there was a Roman, Phoenician or even Atlantean shipwreck on the island and the heads in the niches belonged to the sailors who died there for some reason. Washed up dead on the shore? Murdered? Eaten?.... I'll leave the rest of the story to your imaginations!

[@beckybrockman8658]

Please Evan, more on the Azores when you’re able to. And thank you!

[@FHBStudio]

1:50 they could've added the islands without ever having set foot on them.

[@louise196Light]

How wonderful that you share these fantastic findings with us! Hope all is well, much love and respect to you and your Dad. Carry on! ✨🌏✨

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

Phoenicians went as far as on the southern most tip of Britain for tin, it could be that they went to that island when going back.

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

Even called it "tinland" in its time.

[@bobtrask2217]

Take a look at the ruins on Malta. There are cart (?) ruts on Malta like the ones we see here a 7 minutes in and stairs carved into underground rooms like we see at 10:32 on Malta at the Hypogeum

[@doorhandle2667]

Will try to keep this in mind when I (hopefully) study archaeology in the future.

[@doorhandle2667]

Am now studying archaeology, possible paper pending...

[@tokyogentleman]

the cave holes in the wall seem to be a place where candles will be placed to increase the lighting

[@jeebusk]

Carthage was founded by Phoenicians, and Rome intentionally erased their history.

[@cloneofclark4374]

The cave reminded me of a cave settlement where one of the chambers was thought to be used to harvest potassium nitrate from bird dung. Maybe this was used in the manufacturer of gunpowder?

[@herenow2895]

There is evidence in the landscape to suggest that people were there much earlier. @ 2:20 there is a feature on the ground that looks very similar to late Iron Age/Early Roman construction. On the bottom half of frame, to the left of centre are what look like two parallel embankments. They look man made and predate the field boundaries, which truncate them, by some time. It would very interesting to go over the Azores with LiDAR.