Can Grim Patron Beat New Hearthstone Decks w/ Reynad

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Rarran gets Reynad, a Grim Patron pro, to see if it can face against meta decks from the years after the deck was nerfed
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[@marcoluciani4790]

As someone who's played HS ever since the "beginning" of the game, I completely understand Reynad's pain. It's so ass seeing a deck like Implock going full aggro with cards like the 2 mana draw 7 spell and the library, but then once you think you've stabilized the late game, they completely side-step the imp plan and just start dropping curses. Same with the old Rogue turn 3 15/15 stealthed ghosts, the whole Stormwind meta... I miss being able to play around stuff, at least relatively well. Nowadays every card just does so much a single Discover effect basically means you can't play around anything, you're just shooting darts and hoping that your gameplan comes online before the opponent's.

[@E3Zen]

Could not agree more. Nowadays aggro decks generate so much value and card draw, you just can't hope to last against them

[@hepsima]

Glad Marvel Snap came out 🤞🤞

[@leeartlee915]

It’s not just standard. Arena is a shit show now.

[@Cuestrupaster]

Yep, discover originally was something from a very limited pool, and usually you lost bunch of tempo when playing it... but then they decided fuck it, discover is a free mechanic, it rewards tempo plays and allows you to find answers and more tempo... like wtf? ~A good example is the aggro paladin right now(I used it to get legend this month, sorry) it's a aggro deck, that later has the Countess that rewards you by playing strong tempo, and lending the last breath you need to finish your opponent, sometimes you miss, but usually you win, the only deck that realistic can survive after Countess is Blood DK but it's another super strong deck....

[@leeartlee915]

@@Cuestrupaster You’re right. Discovery is such a double edged sword. It adds more variety to games and prevents matches from getting too stale… on the other hand, it gives players so much power and makes it damn near impossible to play around stuff. And they really went balls to the wall with the mechanic. You use to get a 2/2 for three mana for discovery. Now you get a 2/4 with a 2 mana discount on the spell discovered.

[@Ariovisti]

Reynad looks like he's either suffering badly from allergies or is desperately in need of sleep... and he still delivers the plays and the wit!

[@optimizedlaziness6183]

My guess is that he's on vacation. HIs pc has a 4:3 screen ratio, he had latency on his plays, the room behind him is different and the fan turning even in april probably means he's somewhere hotter than he's used to. Also the puffy eyes could be jetlag too

[@defn0tjake]

he's always a lil blinky in these, bro needs some eyedrops

[@youbluethatone1017]

Also he smokes a lot of Pot

[@wurfinius1113]

@@optimizedlaziness6183 actual NYPD detective in the comments

[@aR0ttenPICKLE]

@@optimizedlaziness6183 yeah he's in Thailand

[@BrightBeard]

It's a but mismatched I think, I think the reverse would probably been better, where Reynard gets the modern decks with like a 3 word description or something and rarran plays patron. Reasoning being that patron needs to know the other deck, since they are a combo or board control deck depending on the matchup, so knowing what outs the other deck has is kinda important for correct piloting. Still, I love every video with Reynad, since I believe in his design philosophy for cars games. So keep up the good work 😊

[@NicholasBalanta]

Reynad's statement at the start of the video about patron warrior having a 45% win rate in it's time is spot on. When you built your patron warrior deck you had to learn by losing what you had to do to win, simply because you had to learn what to play around and how to approach matches. Personally I didn't win a match as warrior for about 2 weeks while learning patron warrior. Decks now don't care what the opponent is doing they play their gameplan they win, because "hurr durr power crept overpowered cards that do literally everything." C'mon a 2 mana pump and draw? that costed at least 3 mana at the start of Hearthstone. Card generation is also nuts to a classic player, 50% of the cards you play in modern decks didn't start in your deck.

[@gonoroad2160]

@@NicholasBalanta Too be fair I want to say that a lot of that is just death knight. Death knight is since its release just insane value, do everything, discover the best cards in the game, win the game. I think the current druid archetype is something you can play around and can know what you play against. I feel like the current new cards are shifting in a good direction and if there will ever be a meta again, where I will enjoy watching Esport for the game, it will prob be, when cards like the songs are good enough, for the meta game.

[@benjaminhurtado5119]

@@gonoroad2160 you mean the current druid archetype of having 15 mana crystals turn 5?

[@shubhod9569]

@@gonoroad2160 yeah druid is probably one of the least rng classes in standard right now, they don't generate anything and they draw their entire deck every game mostly so they can have a consistent game plan. Compared to other classes who lack draw and tutor, they have to rely on random wincons for example. Druid is cool, feels like playing a different card game where you actually play an entire deck out every match.

[@ajkcool]

​@@benjaminhurtado5119 Guff isn't in Standard anymore

[@flamingcamel3623]

Always happy to see Reynad on this channel!!

[@Riwul]

Idk why but my phone made "Always happy to see rarran on Reynad's channel" out of this

[@antyseba5319]

He is basically the side character that people like more

[@stealthyshadow567]

Reynad’s tangent about identity is super spot on. The classes used to mean so much more than a hero power, they all had defined strengths and weaknesses that were deliberate and thematic to create meaningful asymmetric styles. Mage had low board presence but strong clears. Hunter had wide board play but lacked verticality. Paladin sacrificed early game tempo for late game dominance. Modern hearthstone is so far gone from that every deck in standard is just aggro with enough removal to ignore your opponents board, and every game is a face race that ends by turn 8 unless you’re running a very niche control deck.

[@spectrecular9721]

Reynad probably knew how frustrating this challenge would be as it went on into the later decks, and he was still a great sport about it and treated it like an experiment. Hope he absorbs these experiments, and puts the knowledge gained towards the design for Bazaar

[@barnabonker]

34:05 Reynad spilling the truth

[@novakthegodking]

Watched two of the matches and headed down to the comments for this timestamp. The answer to the video title is no, and Reynad spells out why here

[@trevsguitarstash4967]

Very true, modern HS is like modern retail wow, every class just has all the things and no one class feels as unique as what it once was

[@TheRealCHIMShady]

@@trevsguitarstash4967 Every game with continuous updates go down that road. Its why people return to a lot of older games because they have not been tainted by the whole "Everything must be 100% balanced all the time" mentality that is killing diversity of gameplay within games.

[@AjaxOutlaw]

It’s awesome seeing how good Reynad is. Dude doesn’t even know the decks and has pretty good predictions

[@ZeRoUnload]

I think he would be a monster if he took new hearthstone seriously.

[@-qwer-8507]

@@ZeRoUnload hearthstone is so unbalanced nowadays that nobody can take it seriously. Rarran beats all adventures on heroic with just 3 meta decks, where previously you needed to actually think and make a new deck for every boss

[@asra3el328]

17:06 The best Rarran Raza play. We love to see it.

[@rosebarter6031]

If the idea is "Patron would be cool in standard" it would've been cool to see multiple patron decks using different cards to match the years of the decks Rarran was playing

[@MahicalCheesePlease]

“Seal these nuts Rannan” literally made my day. Thanks for making these videos man getting fresh content plus Noodle feature is so good.

[@Matt-1567]

The cut back to Rarran at 23:49 had me dying, so freaking funny

[@TheDimir]

Seal deez nuts got me.

[@democorn6619]

I feel like it was a bit unfun near the end, reynad being required to use old cards the whole way through made it so that later games felt way too one sided. I think it would have been a lot better if the idea had been "make a patron deck with cards up to x year"

[@tmdiz4579]

This was the way to go.

[@johnhemsley3790]

@@tmdiz4579 no it isn’t? The point of the video is seeing if an old deck can hold up, otherwise it’s a wild video and reynad will be playing with cards he doesn’t know, doesn’t want to pay for, and a list he hasn’t practised

[@johnhemsley3790]

Almost as if that is the point, seeing if an old deck can hold up and showing the powercreep Adding new cards both defeats the point of the video, and the point of reynad being the one to play it. It’d be a new list he hasn’t practised with new cards he doesn’t know or want to buy If reynad won every single game I wonder if you’d complain about the concept of the video

[@bevvvy1374]

@@johnhemsley3790 You'd have to be on drugs to think Patron has even a slight chance against anything in the past few years

[@XFeuerFestX]

6:12 sooooo... why are we running 8 damage into the ghoul that dies to hellfire anyways?

[@aussymo420]

Reynad looked so miserable by the end 😂 would love to see him playing some of the newer decks.

[@Val_1992]

Love your videos with Reynad! Reynad piloting Grim Patron is best way to check how good this deck is. But last two matches, especially DK was just bullying him, poor Reynad! 😢

[@DoNotFearTheReapa]

The grass is always greener is such a true saying. In the old days, we looked forward to the new expansion excited to see what the game will become after they add more, in the new days we look back on the old expansions wishing we could go back to that meta and have the same feeling. The truth is they both have their problems and as much as power creep has changed the game, newer more powerful things also made it exciting to play (and kept people playing) to begin with. A few value trades mattering or not decided games in the old days, and also one dead draw or an early turn skip decided games. It wasn't exactly as interactive as we all remember, and it was always RNGstone. Today our opponents random discover into win cons before we draw the one we put in our deck and we say "that never would have happened in old Hearthstone - if I got unlucky I would just draw air be miserable and die, man I miss that".

[@lucafrix66]

Reynad looks like he didn't really enjoy this all to much 😅.

[@Ben-kg5ez]

You think so?

[@terrancesilvermistbenjamin9864]

He looks really annoyed with how Hearthstone has turned out and how classes don't seem to really have their own separate identity now and every class can pretty much doing everything without any real downside. I don't blame him. You can especially tell he hated that last game with the Death Knight.

[@lucafrix66]

@@terrancesilvermistbenjamin9864 I don't disagree with him on that point. You could tell how annoyed he was on that last game.

[@Ben-kg5ez]

@@terrancesilvermistbenjamin9864 I mean if you watched any old reynad you'd know he's not really having a bad time. More just some good natured gamer rage

[@gfaghahtst]

Him being salty and upset is basically his brand. Actually 95% of all HS creators freak out at RNG nonsense or OP shit like it the first time they have played the game. Like I literally stopped reacting to nonsense in the game cause it happens every game lol. If I walk up to you and use actual magic IRL, probably freak out. The 1000th time though you probably would not bat an eye. However, for whatever reason that brand still gets clicks. Reynad back when he played would get so mad sometimes it had to be forced cause no reasonable person would behave that way over a digital card game with no stakes. In a tourney setting with money on the line? Sure I be upset if RNG and high rolls screwed me, but thats a tourney. I literally know very few HS creators that do not make a big show in some form over HS being HS. Reynads skill and knowledge of the game and card games in general are impressive, but fake salt gets old, but I must be in a minority.

[@klarion7360]

Everyone talking about 6:16 misplay, but the one at 26:00 was definetely more painful for me, hitting the armoursmith instead of sparing the weapon charge for next turn so he could coin into glaivehound to deal with the berserker ooof 😫

[@Blake_Steen]

ALWAYS look forward to the Reynad content. So good. I feel like you singlehandedly brought him back to the Hearthstone content world, and for that, we are incredibly grateful, Raran!

[@MagusShade101]

I'd really like to see Reynad playing old deck archetypes improved with new cards.

[@KristianEgs]

"Why don't you seal these nuts Rarran?" got me so bad 😂

[@TigerKirby215]

Another exciting episode of "Rarran bullies Raynad in the game he hates which he hasn't played in 5 years"

[@Junee1]

I liked the video. I think a good variation of this would be to update the old decklist with cards that are available on the same year as the newer decks. Every year might not offer good cards to switch which could mean skipping years and playing less matches? Either way this was fun, it’s always fun to see both Rarran and Reynad in a video.

[@henryl6441]

Reynad looked in pain this entire video 😂😂

[@maroanbaker1267]

@17:14 Classic Reynad, never change

[@kopperhed4472]

I haven't played Hearthstone in God knows how long. Holy moly what did they do to Apprentice? It is interesting, though, to see Reynad's insight into modern Hearthstone, and card games that go long in general: that they run the risk of losing their identity, when everything blends together.

[@Vict0rRezn0v]

disliked the video as you drew the second hellfire

[@Rarran]

next time ill tell blizzard to not draw it for me lol

[@Vict0rRezn0v]

@@Rarran Sounds like a plan, still love ur content tho man

[@djafar699]

34:05 Reynad is the GOAT... he doesn't even play the game and managed to pin point the issues in 30 mins, make this man the hearthstone lead dev ffs.

[@joshuafortin7495]

I really like seeing the videos where you guys use older decks, really wish you could set it so only certain expansions were in the duscover pool but you work with what you got. Always fun to see you guys collab and have absolutely ZERO misplays...

[@Wyti]

20:23 Forbidden Flame WAS pre Boomsday

[@adamcimrmann]

6:15 actually physically hurt me. Cmon Rarran

[@Teazon]

34:04 very well said Reynad.

[@zombifiedsquid]

Granted I don’t think he was ever in any tournaments that I know of, but I may of just been unaware, but a streamer I followed forever was Solem, I’d love a lore break down on that one.

[@Bonlaws]

Reynads comment on lack of Identity is such a mood, as an MTG player it's something I run into too, when cardgames lose identity and every deck is just "good" the game loses charm and strategy very quickly

[@Jdrunnin]

I feel like it should have been an updated patron deck to show that patron is still viable in metas

[@barrysmithers5816]

Great video Rarran! I think your collabs are some of your best content - the stitching together of the two perspectives works so well. Always nice to see zero misplays ;)

[@maximiliandort3489]

Reynad is very good at articulating how HS changed over the years, and why it's not necessarily gotten better. I like seeing him on the channel, his perspective is great

[@defn0tjake]

To what reynad said at the end, there is a version of this in wild right now. It's not amazing, but it is a lot better. Cards like risky skipper, imbued axe, and warsong envoy really help it reach that burst potential, while to the front lets you combo much earlier. Plus the deck got its very own pot of greed last expansion, which you always love to see!

[@karlmarcs31]

I logged into this game a few days ago. It's changed so much. I had about 120 in free packs I opened, clicked all the achievements, then took one look at the shop and nope the hell out of it and uninstalled. Too many game modes and pack types and all sorts of currency. I have no idea what's going on anymore and just see every aggro deck have a full board by like turn 3.

[@FacelessBeanie]

Reynad not even knowing what he's playing against and still playing so well is so sick

[@__--_--_-----]

"okay here's a deck from 2017, now be my punching nag for an hour or two" lol

[@glacen]

This was a good video showcasing how old decks like patron warrior just can't hold a candle to any of the newer archetypes. It's like reynad said, you have to play around everything, creatures, board wipes, card advantage, aggro, combo, card generation all in a single deck for every class. Honestly still feel like patron warrior is just not good enough in wild when you have so many horrible match ups that are just insta lose.

[@vashviper9346]

Yeaaahh man this just looks so unfun to deal with. I just sat there feeling so bad for Reynad the entire video, and how depressing it is to see what the game has become for an old veteran. Good on him for toughing through it though.

[@i_never_told_you_my_eulogy]

good you uploaded the short. did not notice, there's a reynad grim patron battle :D

[@cathsaigh2197]

6:14 Rarran, the ghoul dies to Hellfire too, the giant could go face.

[@Mrlonefighter]

Rarran, self proclaimed Warlock main. Also Rarran: "I don't know how to play Cubelock for the life of me..." bruh. Love to see Reynad though

[@anyandeverything15]

As a priest player priest vs Warrior is still one of my favorite matchups and has been since beta. And no, you will never EVER feel like you are doing the right thing once you get past 4 mana.

[@anguscrowley851]

17:13 is iconic

[@john-paulkesseler4180]

Attacking with the Giant and using Hellfire to clear while as Warlock, instead of just, you know, using the Hellfire which would have done the job itself, is sending me.

[@mitch5944]

Lol I thought I was missing something since even reynad didn't seem to catch that

[@GlawiousAldredMarci]

There is the thing that a lot of cards dealt 2 or 4 when patron came in, there were barely 3 damage ones and your opponents usually had 2 damage aoe, or just single targets which made it really hard to kill the patrons. Now they buffed about half the 2 damage spells to 3 and put in 3 damage ones... It kinda screw this deck over :D

[@timluo55]

I could feel the salt when it came to the last deck, the power creep was insane!

[@lordburka]

I'm seriously so sorry so many comments on your videos are so toxic. Keep up the good work man it was a fun watch.

[@canonblackwell1]

I think it’s funny that as the games go on it just becomes old man yells at clouds

[@bluexco]

Myself, you, and everyone else loves when you bring Reynad in! so keep up the the content! Also Snnuy!

[@mathiasseljebotnerdal8700]

Would love to see more like this! Maybe even some expansion vs expansion or something (like best deck in witchwood vs best deck in darkmoon etc)

[@DoNotFearTheReapa]

I have to say I think Reynad forgot about the armorsmith win con of gain 50 armour in a grim patron turn. Was throwing his armorsmith out to die for nothing in two matchups. If he used it with his whirlwinds and patrons he would be chilling vs pirate warrior and raza priest

[@hepsima]

Rarran I love your laugh man 😂

[@Masterchifwin]

more reynad is always great, i love these colabs so much

[@alies-]

34:07 Reynad spitting facts

[@Donielism]

Reynad at 34:05 is so real, I was thinking exactly that while watching the games, Blizzard almost always have problems maintaining their games, it starts off as a masterpiece then turns into garbage with updates, really fucking annoying to be honest

[@naradac841]

i mean hearthstone's most balanced state was in classic, Naxx and GVG both put the game into a fundamentally unbalanced state that every expansion and adventure would try to pull themselves out of, but it only dug deeper. It's hysterical to think that the wild format was meant to slow the game down. Now we have a deck that was so overpowered they had to nerf it before a tournament literally unable to compete with modern decks. if you stopped playing some years ago, you should stay stopped, and never come back to the game, because you will cry as most of the cards you unpacked are worthless, and you'll have to basically demolish your collection in order to craft competitive cards.

[@honeybadgerspvp]

Inner demon DH was the best DH deck of all time. But that deck was only in its prime for a few hours before it was nerfed

[@murphthasmurf5923]

Haven’t played HS since reynad era, video really brought me back

[@skyth0398]

I nearly died when reynad said “why don’t you seal these nuts rarran” lmao

[@queenthinng4822]

It’s interesting to see the matchup triangle of Combo v Control v Aggro throughout the ages.

[@yifun6187]

This was a fun concept! if reynad is down for it i would like to see how he would update old decks with new cards, i think it would be a cool evolution on this format. who am i kidding, i just want to see reynad play more hearthstone lmao

[@hekkamies2428]

24:58 ”This was the best deck of all time” (Gets rekt by grim patron at turn 6)

[@gerard_palace]

Dude was damaging his neurones to get his others ones working. Just like a grim patron

[@CorrosionofConformity444]

Subscribed, thanks for the VS gameplay, it helped fix my Hearthstone jones!

[@ailospjellok7475]

rarran not realizing he had lethal with pen flinger at 33:00

[@bjorncedervall7633]

I would love to see Reynad try out duels. Think it would be cool to see his skill in deck building fare in that format. Maybe with you as guide!

[@invertedcrayon]

Mulligans double defile, gets rewarded with double hellfire anyways 🤣

[@IzayoiRabbit]

watching rarran play cube lock and raza priest hurt my soul almost like my guy never seen what the decks can do

[@kipz]

nice job with those exter carnivious cubes

[@diiselix]

This would've been more interesting if done in a different way. This felt pretty unfair especially because Raynad had no idea what he was going against. You could've: 1) Done it with roles reversed 2) Added modern cards to patron. This would've been very interesting to watch and probably for Raynad to play 3) Played with a bit older decks 4) At least shown him what your decks are doing before the match Anyway, I love every video with Raynad and I'm looking forward to the next one. I really hope you're making more of these!

[@MoritzGarbanzo]

20:00 when he plays that naked Luna and has Mirror Image in hand.. Plz nooooooo

[@blorg7174]

Title: Can Grim Patron Beat New Hearthstone Decks First match: patches comes out of Rarran's deck

[@Voltaid]

Reynard spittin fax about modern hearthstone and class identities. I’m sure he would have a stroke playing against blood dk.

[@CrustyDonutts]

Reynad is a savage 17:11

[@command5895]

Im a simple man, I see reynad in a rarran video and I click it

[@RentABozo]

I think you got the years switched for Cubelock and Raza Priest, as Raza priest would have rotated in 2018, but Cubelock definitely stuck around for WW

[@peterkirk8510]

Man, that first game was a huge misplay from reynad, 4 damage was pretty easy to find a few ways in pirate warrior if you had a ping available. Hero power + armorsmith leaves you only dead to exclusively arcanite reaper + ping, with the followup of death’s bite -> swing -> war axe to gain 5 armor

[@galkanftw]

I agree with his statement they allowed every class to do everything..When we look back at old decks modern ones are incredibly more powerful.

[@HairCutsEmo]

Love reynad on your channel, just think it would be cool if he got a description what each decks archetype was.. like "board centric mage" or "combo control priest" or "I do everything equally good or better than everyone and everything else ever deathknight" since GP was and is really info dependent, otherwise I liked the vid

[@Jigsawtwig]

I kinda agree with Reynad. I think there was some egregious designs over time like Librams, but man DK launch is when this game just power crept to absolute hell. Every DK card is just absurd to read. I do think patron can actually be pretty competitive with new cards though. May have been better to have Reynad mess around with the deck.

[@SpookyTanukiGaming]

Reynad deserves a rematch where he can make a patron deck using modern cards.

[@mkultravictim38]

you should do something similar to this except challenge reynad to building a 2023 patron warrior with whatever cards he wants now that warsong commander is unnerfed and see if he can make patron great again, i think he'd have fun playing around with some newer cards and you won't have to play with an awkward restriction

[@kazukikage4582]

I gotta say removing patches charge was like putting a bandage on a gunshot wound didnt really change anything couldve reverted that as well ^^

[@Gundams33d00]

Reynad and Rarran in a video make any type of video fun to watch.

[@dorgrath4543]

Why did you attack the unstable ghoul before hellfire...?

[@BerniPro]

didnt grim patron decks include at least one youthful brewmasters so you could bounce grim patron to hand for more gas against multiple boardclears? (also to put pressure on the board at least on turn 7 without having to commit to much)

[@honkedoffjohn]

Reynad and Grim Patron. That's prime content.

[@21centdregs]

reynad is spot on with his powercreep take. i still enjoy standard hs from time to time, but it is just straight up flavor and card quality that differentiate archetypes these days. it's like playing an rpg where u start off the quest with all legendary equipment and the best tech items, still fun, but not as interesting as it could be

[@ImGlassy]

I think what reynad said at the end is very interesting, let him go wild with the new cards and see what he can cook

[@ludwiglarsson3352]

5:37 Isn't it worth to hellfire instead of mountain giant? Is he concerned about the armor gain?

[@driskulls7834]

The power creep never really hit me until I noticed overseer frigidara is legit a boulderfist ogre with -1/-1 stats that draws 2 cards and also consecrates. (I guess with nerfs its now 3/6 stat line but u know what i mean)

[@Telegca]

This video is sooo good. You have great synergy with Reynad. Keep it up!

[@ciprianhosu385]

Raynad won at 17:15. No other plays were necessary

[@nickloh9160]

The old Reynoodle i knew would have just rage quitted midway in-