Raspberry Pi Zero 2W optimised Darling OS.

Raspberry Pi Zero 2W optimised Darling OS.
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[@System64-Fumo]

Update for those who are still interested in this I’ve personally moved away from anything rpi related since this was made I’ve also moved away from discord If and when i get to reviving this project ill be sure to host it on gh Cheers

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Thanks for the demo, Lee, I definitely want to give this a go myself. It's such a shame the Pi Zero 2 W only has 512MB RAM, just doubling that would have made SO much difference to the performance, particularly with web browsers.

[@davidg5898]

If you like neofetch (or any other program) running right away with every new terminal, edit the ".bashrc" file in your user directory and add the command(s) that you want to run at the end. It's a file that gives environment parameters for interactive non-login Bash shells.

[@PCBWay]

Thanks for the video! Always inspirational.

[@System64-Fumo]

Thank you for the review I got a few things to say that might help you regarding doas (opendoas) you can alias it to sudo if you prefer to have the sudo command but use the lighter alternative as for the taskbar poping down honestly yeah i completely understand that not everyone would like that if i had the option to i would make it resistance based where you would have to keep moving the mouse up to make it pop up so accidentally moving your mouse too far upwards wouldn't invoke it as for the start menu i also wanted to make a button trigger it but looking at it there doesn't seem to be a way to do that, i might look into it more and possibly find a way to make it work in the next release And as for chromium not minimizing that's just chromium for ya ; ) no clue if that's better than having it crash a few seconds on startup or crashing the moment you go to load any site but i can safely say that the web browsing experience is still horrible and i would not recommend it for the time being, it's only there because i can and because it's a necessity for a desktop environment as for package managment since this is an arch distro it doesn't really come with apt :P that is not something that i can change unless aliasing would be your jam overclocking and benchmarking to overclock you can simply use DarlingMenu same goes for benchmarking, note that glxgears is not an indicator of system performance it's just a very light and basic benchmark that i put there just to make sure that the gpu wasn't dying and well because it's the lightest benchmark that i could run on anything, in the near future i might add more stuff to the benchmarking utility such as a cpu bench before the gpu one and maybe add an optional more stressful benchmark if you feel like it, but honestly i think that it gets the job done :P also you forgot to include the overclock (You need to uncomment #include /configs/pi02.txt in config.txt) As for video performance it did do 1080 60 for me with a bit of spikes here and there, so i assume it might be your overclock? Chromium still crashes alot here too lee, trying to mitigate that as much as possible however i don't think this poor 15$ computer will ever run chromium properly no matter what flags you give it And by the looks of it yeah that overclock that you applied is not helping the situation XD Never seen such a major graphical glitch before lol

[@leepspvideo]

Thanks 👍🏼I was asked where to download it. I couldn’t see a shareable link on the pi world Discord.

[@System64-Fumo]

@@leepspvideo comment got deleted but you have an invite in your dms i can't share the link or well i wont say the word because youtube but you get the point :P

[@leepspvideo]

@@System64-Fumo I’m not sure how the dodgy comments leave links. I think they comment then edit the comment with a web link.

[@System64-Fumo]

@@leepspvideo See that's what i've done too but the moment that i added a key word which was probably... (Can't say it so u will have to guess it, The thing that you use while programming, a line of _______) So uh yeah youtube is just weird

[@peejae082004]

will palemoon browser be lighter compared to the chromium version that's built in?

[@CarlosGomez-vt9pk]

Yay for heat sinks! I put them on the plastic cases of Rokus because those suckers get hot!

[@rmcdudmk212]

Looks like a cool OS for this tiny computer 👍

[@perrymcclusky4695]

This OS is interesting, and I can see its potential with the PI Zero 2W. Personally, I'd like to see my PI Zero 2W perform similar to a desktop. Looking forward to a follow up video.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

Finally a decent OS to run on my Pi 2 Zero W

[@AlteredCarbons]

i have 2 zero 2 w's so i been looking for projects. i want one for desktop and one for retro gaming, so having a low resource os like this would be so ideal. ill be keeping an eye on it thank you

[@DieCastErn]

your wallpaper on the wall indicates you have good taste lol

[@-indeed8285]

3:58 You can change #doas as #sudo. By adding this line in (.bashrc) dot bashrc file, located in home directory. alias sudo="doas"

[@fredrik241]

Nice effort by the people doing this! I'd definitely be interested to try it out. Why is sudo becoming doas?

[@System64-Fumo]

sudo has a security flaw (Not that i care about that) But it's also heavier and more complicated to use Doas is a *Much* lighter alternative that works well and is easy to use and configure You can always just alias doas to sudo if you prefer it :P

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@System64-Fumo I think the big security flaw in sudo has been fixed now - but I get the reason to use doas in this case to keep system requirements as small as possible.

[@mattrichardson4351]

would love to try this .. will jump on the discord

[@mattrichardson4351]

ummmm whast the link to the discord please?

[@miltonmamani]

I was not ready for darling in the frank desktop logo! XD

[@System64-Fumo]

Took me quite a bit of time to create It as hand made as i was not satisfied with the ones that online generators created ;)

[@SchoolforHackers]

@@System64-Fumo Nice Job!

[@Colin_Ames]

Nice. Now if only we could buy the hardware.

[@samcoupe4608]

Can it be used in zx spectrum next as accelerator and zx HDMI? Will it encode video output to avi file?

[@cobberdig]

Yeah it's an arch Linux system so the file system will be a bit different and Pacman -Syyu Pacman -S instead of apt apt-get upgrade update install etc. Check your function keys too you might get different shells on f1-f4 etc. Many years since I played with arch check in with the wiki it was very good from memory.

[@pendragonscode]

cool

[@phonewithoutquestion80]

I like the idea of a fluid, usable desktop workflow on a graham cracker. TinyCore won my heart for that as well, but this is a more sensible approach. The fact it's based on Arch is interesting, I swear they would have gone with something more minimal like Alpine or Void.

[@System64-Fumo]

Well arch users are entitled to using arch and only arch so i'm afraid that i the only thing that will come out of me will be arch based

[@phonewithoutquestion80]

No sweat there, the AUR is great

[@nehajain2974]

Can you please explain how to use the announce:true feature in homeassistant media_player.play_media service?? Thanks in advance

[@attri2292]

Been waiting for this long, ps nope not what i wanted

[@yodamann5193]

where can we find a Pi Zero 2w nowadays?

[@JairoGrateron]

try "vblank_mode=0 glxgears" for disable vertical sync for glxgears

[@buttonsplaymusic4896]

Improvement suggestions: disable data persistence (Tails feature Sun Knudsen on KZbin shows how to do on other Linux) plus Secure Kali Tails features for security and privacy, and put LUKS (LUKS boot screen, but let us disable regular login if we want).

[@leepspvideo]

There is a new version. I haven’t tried it yet

[@srvuk]

For terminal installs, why not simply create a desktop icon that can open terminal, add the command with the only input required by the user is to type the application name required.

[@System64-Fumo]

What do you mean? You mean like a console/guiless distro? or like... a terminal installer as in like enter xyz for user password region and stuff like that? I plan to add that one day but for the time being the user and passwords are the same as rpi os If you were referring to the ability to NOT use the desktop environment then yeah that is also available in this You just need to select the Shell option when logging in instead of wayfire

[@jamesmcmasters9392]

Anime is Evil gateway drug for Hentai

[@steven1000000000]

I definitely like the idea of having a lightweight distro specifically geared towards the Pi Zero 2. I've been working on something similar. It's based on Raspberry Pi OS Lite, but uses ICEWM as the Window Manager. After theming, running ssh, VNC server, Compton, Rofi, plank as a doc etc., it boots in about 150MB RAM, leaving as much as possible for applications. Whilst Icewm is very basic out of the box, I've managed to set it up to work as close to a "full distro" as possible. It looks pretty good and is very fast (for a Pi zero 2). As for browsers, I've got Chromium ( which works, but isn't great). I also use Dillo, Uzbl, NetSurf, Links, Links2 and Puffin. Whilst these are all very fast, they're they've each got various drawbacks - Some aren't modern, but implement old JavaScript standards, others don't support JavaScript at all. Links is a purely Text browser, but surprisingly useful once you get used to it. Links2 is similar, but also has a graphics mode which can be used within a TTY terminal using the frame buffer, which is fantastic. Puffin probably gives the fastest experience in a modern browser though, but it's obviously doing the heavy lifting on the server. It's been fun to figure out how to squeeze as much from a Pi Zero 2 as possible and has yielded a very usable little pocket computer.

[@System64-Fumo]

Here are some tips that might help you with your distro chromium doesn't really run well by default on the pi so i suggest you use some flags xorg (Atleast on arch) performs really badly so a wayland alternative would be better, such as what i use in Darling OS (Wayfire) Boot times can be improved a little by changing a few things in config.txt and disabling some services or overclocking Hope it helps

[@steven1000000000]

​@@System64-Fumo Thanks. Whilst Wayland may be the future replacement of X, I haven't really played with it as yet. Looking at the different Window Managers which support Wayland, I see the only feasible stacking WM seems to be Wayfire. (I prefer stacking as apposed to tiling because it's more comfortable for the vast majority of people.) Would be interesting to see it on a Debian base, but from what I've read/heard, there seem to be a few Wayland issues still. As for Chromium, it's OK, but I've tried to avoid it mostly - I hadn't really thought of tweaking it for better performance. Will definitely give that a go. Regarding boot times, I'm not that worried because it's still relatively fast to boot, all things considered, despite having a number of background services running. I'll give Darling OS a go - curious how it stacks up.

[@System64-Fumo]

@@steven1000000000 Sweet please keep me updated, i would love to hear your feedback Regarding a debian base, that's what darling os used to be based on but i thought that making it arch based would be a bit more... minimal in a way? And faster? plus i'm more familiar with arch based distros and pacman is superior to stock apt (Apt can be made usable with a few mods) Either way wayfire is not the only wayland compatible window manager out there but it's certainly the lightest and most feature rich one with the least amount of resource consumption, you can practically enable most of the effects for wayfire on darling os without noticing any performance issues unless you enable blur that's somewhat broken and causes a lot of lag :P

[@johna2193]

@@System64-Fumo Is there a place I could read about and download your Darling OS? I am really interested in it, but all I have is a Discord link and I am not really a Discord user.

[@steven1000000000]

​@@System64-Fumo Whilst I've setup Arch from scratch, I haven't run it long term to really get much of a feel for it. If I recall, the Arch setup on a Pi 4 was a little more resource intensive in comparison to Raspberry Pi OS with the same Window Manager. I thought it might have been lighter. That might be because of the optimizations of R PI OS though. I like the idea of a rolling release, but I'm not that familiar with potential pitfalls. As for Pacman and AUR vs APT, I don't know - I know that people swear by Pacman though. My understanding is that whilst the AUR provides a huge trove of available packages, it can introduce dependency issues. Given I value stability over bleeding edge software, I lean more Debian. Regardless of the underlying plumbing chosen you, can obviously setup the the distro virtually identically, so probably doesn't matter too much.

[@jahanjahany2949]

Witch os best for run qt on raspberry zero 2w

[@FoxyAnimater]

When typed Pacman in the terminal, it told me that this is a arch-based distro and not a debian-based Distro, user beware because arch-based distros can break with a single package update.

[@stevecruztube]

Still can't get these things. Can this OS run on a gpu?

[@born-again-nerd5537]

Looks good but I’ll probably stick to a more stable OS for now. Although I haven’t yet tried the pi zero 2 in comparison with other SBC’s I have including the BPI m2 zero (which is available mostly) where the pi’s all of them are very hard to get in US, without scalpers. Pi OS has worked well for my most my pi’s (very slow on pi 3 a+) but I do hope there are some tweaks to this review OS because it does look cool. I don’t plan on over clocking any of my units because it can and will catch on fire 🔥, usually starting at power source / too many friends lost their pi zeros, 3’s and 4’s catch on fire due to over clocking. They may or may not have known any better? Folks try to crank up the power for running bigger retro games - but to me not worth frying up the pi for a slight better fps. Especially in this hot summer weather - not good idea I also just got a tinker board so That will be fun. I wish I can understand the coding better - like I couldn’t get a 2” inch screen to work at all in a pi zero (and a pi b+) / tried to install drivers and supposed to have done so but any small (TFT) screen off gpio will not work, I have like two different ones and neither works - I can’t figure it out and gave up. Tried to make minty pi (altoids can zero unit) but it seems the information for this project has sailed out the ship windows long ago, I can’t find help anymore. Anyways good video

[@leepspvideo]

Pi’s shouldn’t catch fire as they thermal throttle.

[@System64-Fumo]

Tweaks are definitely included They're not much but they help ever so slightly As for stability yeah i still wouldn't recommend this as a daily driver at the time being But maybe in the near future if it becomes more stable and performs better then yeah i would definitely suggest this to people for daily use But for the time being it's just a very early build that requires a lot of work and ideally work from people who know what they are doing :P

[@born-again-nerd5537]

@@leepspvideo yeah definitely need to have at least a heat sink and fan if possible - for pi zero 2’s / few of my friends tweaked around and learned runs hotter than zero. I don’t think They didn’t have heat sinks at first. Also, mixing up bad usb power cords can go badly too. The M2 zero runs hot and so does the cm3 lite modules - heck, I know a few folks who’s quest 2 headsets caused fires because overclocking (overheating) I still have to play around with zero 2 / I’ve been waiting for them to become more available before tweaking around. Not good to mess one up right now lol - so hard to find at retail and unfortunately I’m broke.

[@lucasbalviin1999]

Can you do a video Installing Wine and box86?!

[@leepspvideo]

Its in Pi Apps or Pikiss. Not sure 1GB is going to be enough

[@BrianG61UK]

Why? You don't you need the computer to be tiny if you're just going to connect a large screen and keyboard to it. Plus even if it's fast it's not going to be a good desktop experience at 1280x720. It's probably 10 years since I had to use such a low resolution for a desktop PC.

[@TheMetalisImmortal]

I prefer "shinji -kun!" rather than "daarinn" trash but it is a good stuff for "zero w 2-chan" better than nothing

[@iam.jasonhoward]

Cool

[@Stabby666]

Running a video at 1920x1080 isn't hard for a Pi Zero 2 W. Even the older (and MUCH slower) Pi Zero can do it fine, as it's done in hardware. I use them for kiosks using my custom software, where they play videos and interactive apps all day long with no overclock. There are example programs installed on every pi to show the GPU effects, like running 1080 video on rotating 3D objects etc with only 2% CPU usage, since it's mostly handled on the videocore.

[@leepspvideo]

What fps are you running 1080 on the original Pi Zero?

[@System64-Fumo]

1080 30 or 1080 60? and personally the highest that i got on the original pi 0w is 720 60 i highly doubt it can do 1080 60, pi3's barely get 1080 60 working :P

[@leepspvideo]

@@System64-Fumo I suppose you could lower the bit rate a lot but then you would probably be better of with 720

[@Stabby666]

@@System64-Fumo 1920x1080 at 30fps is supported in the hardware. This is fine for video playback.

[@System64-Fumo]

@@leepspvideo 720p is certainly the sweet spot for such low end hardware And its what I typically recommend people to use 1080 60 is just pushing it :P

[@2OXX]

beans

[@Wallee580]

You can install sudo if you prefer it, but I would recommend creating an alias instead. Add the following line to ~/.bashrc: alias sudo="doas" I think that will work, been a while since I made one. :D

[@kountkrackula9518]

Is there anyway to get a image of this still i canr find it anywhere online.

[@leepspvideo]

Try announcements discord.gg/xTFsVdFVUy

[@kountkrackula9518]

well I tried to join for about an hour, keeps saying interaction failed, but thank you for helping. Your videos are awesome btw.

[@johna2193]

What is the URL with information about the Pi Zero 2 optimized OS?

[@leepspvideo]

The Discord link is in the comments

[@williamheckerman930]

How about Raspberry Pi zero 2w running Android with Google Playstore? Is it possible?

[@leepspvideo]

I haven’t managed it. I did try several older Konstakang Pi 3 builds with no luck back when the zero 2w was new out. The lack of ram will be problematic.

[@conocela]

Donde se puede descargar?

[@hunkymcstudleypants7722]

awesome vid, great demo. I'm setting up a couple pi zero 2 w's and would really like to try this os! i can't find either a "pi world" or "wor" discord server (though, to be fair, i'm def at boomer-level when it comes to discord), but i did join a raspberry pi community on there. i've searched all channels on that community for "darling os" and "zero 2 w", but there's no info. at this point i'm just strolling down the street shouting "amir!" every few seconds in hopes that i'll find this person and they'll grace me with an image.. it's over a year since this video was posted - anyone know if this optimized os exists anywhere?

[@leepspvideo]

This is the wor discord link discord.gg/windows-on-raspberry-pi-711407999503302696 Also some tips in this video Raspberry Pi Zero 2W. First time setup. Far better performance with Zram. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvOl6iMrt6Vf9k

[@chj915]

the heat sink is larger tha the pi zero itself. :)

[@dreamcat4]

so its arch then?

[@System64-Fumo]

Yup, i uh wouldn't really recommend pure arch on any pi unless it's a pi4 and unless you are willing to go through a LOT and i mean a lot of workarounds to get things working properly mainly graphics stuff and xorg if you're on 32 bit good luck because most of the things will either not work or just straight up freeze your pi

[@hanselrodriguez25]

where can i download this operating system

[@leepspvideo]

On the Pi world Discord

[@hanselrodriguez25]

give me your Discord

[@michaelcloutier2225]

@@leepspvideo LINK PLEASE! When I log into Discord and search for "Pi World" it get nothing. The best practice is to always give links. Thanks.

[@System64-Fumo]

From PiWorld, invite can be found in the wor server's partners channel I cannot provide a link and i assume lee too thanks to youtube deleting links... Which is very annoying...

[@leepspvideo]

@@michaelcloutier2225 try this discord.gg/xTFsVdFVUy

[@AlterNameJhay]

Some Users doesn't understand what is Zero 2 means

[@kila0bdg]

Where to get it?

[@leepspvideo]

From the wor discord. Link in the description Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi 4. How to join the Discord. WOR episode 17. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6unYneil9qXptk

[@methanoid]

Doas is "do as" 🤣🤣

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Nice avatar and good gaming taste!

[@inzamav5435]

Download link for Darling OS pls

[@leepspvideo]

I don’t have a link. It was in the WOR and Pi World Discords

[@lucasbalviin1999]

How can I access the discord?

[@leepspvideo]

System64 has comments on this video, you could ask him as there is no invite option on the Pi world Discord for me to share. Hasn’t been updated for nearly a year. Some tips in this video for zero 2w Raspberry Pi Zero 2W. First time setup. Far better performance with Zram. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvOl6iMrt6Vf9k

[@grizzlycountry5539]

Can anybody confirm if it can run youtube videos in 720p ? Can it run a Puffin browser ?

[@System64-Fumo]

i personally would advise people to not use puffin as it's a security risk But according to lee in his previous videos rpi 02 can do 720p in youtube

[@steven1000000000]

It does technically run as is usable given that it's running on a tiny machine, but it's not very smooth. depending on the use case, you might also be able to use youtube-dl to download the video and then play it in VLC. That performs very well. The issue is that you need to download the video before playing.

[@grizzlycountry5539]

@@steven1000000000 That would take a lot of time, but it is an option.

[@steven1000000000]

@@grizzlycountry5539 Yes - definitely not for casual browing, but could work in specific cases. Fun thought - it would even work if you were only using a terminal - VLC plays on the frame buffer and therefore doesn't even need a graphical environment to be running. Playing local videos works well.

[@jahanjahany2949]

How can download OS

[@leepspvideo]

From the discord link in the comments

[@tino94]

It seems like an interesting operating system, I'm going to try it, where can it be downloaded? Discord? No thanks, I lost all interest

[@craigacts93]

where is the download?

[@leepspvideo]

On the wor Discord

[@craigacts93]

@@leepspvideo i am a newbe to discord can you be more explanatory pls

[@leepspvideo]

@@craigacts93 Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi 4. How to join the Discord. WOR episode 17. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6unYneil9qXptk

[@yourmissingsock556boop3]

too bad we still get RPI's for a reasonable price still

[@adiscripts]

In my experiment DietPi OS was way better and stable than this. But this being in an early stage, still impressive.

[@imacmill]

I'm running a Pi-Hole server on a DietPi OS-based Zero 2W and it's working perfectly.

[@subbuaccu2075]

Hi, could you please try Puppy Linux on pi zero 2w it will work like wonders and very usable it will be... Could you please demonstrate that ?!? Puppy Linux

[@CrunchDrop]

Can we get a link to the os?

[@leepspvideo]

This is the Discord. discord.gg/xTFsVdFVUy Got downloads

[@CrunchDrop]

@@leepspvideo thanks, gonna try this out tomorrow

[@johna2193]

@@leepspvideo This should really be in the video description, or at least pinned to the top of the comments.

[@nicobrabers302]

​@@leepspvideo can't seem to join, gives an error everytime. "This interacrion failed".

[@essetee]

alias sudo='doas'

[@nosuchthing8]

doas = do as

[@cgwworldministries83]

I'll never understand Linux devs obsession with putting menu bars on top. It's incredibly annoying.

[@System64-Fumo]

Would it help if i said that my windows titlebar is always on top? :P