Rated R Movies, Sending Teens To College, and Family Loyalty // Douglas Wilson | Ep. 288

[@JuniperLynn789]

I love the point he made about being strict while the children are young and slowly loosening as they mature. Makes so much sense that it should be that way, but too often as parents we do the opposite. Loved that!

[@sofiabravo1994]

I thought this was common sense. When I was a child I knew my parents had to be strict and when I got older I would earn more freedoms…although that didn’t happen for me very much when I was a teen but still had a little more freedom than when I was 7.

[@JuniperLynn789]

@@sofiabravo1994 that’s great! I did not come from a super healthy childhood. I’m learning a lot from these podcasts!

[@sabl6381]

I love what he said about familial loyalty. It doesn't matter if your dad is a pastor and supposedly the holiest man in town - if his family feels pushed aside or as though they need to keep up appearances for the sake of his job, things will backfire. I know this from experience. I was away from Christianity for seven years (thank the Lord that's no longer the case) and my brother shows no signs of coming back to it.

[@kated4359]

This guy plays the long game. Great interview; thanks!!!

[@garlandofbooks4494]

That’s great about the strictness as young children, and then helping them internalize and love the standard as they grow and have more freedom. That’s how I was raised. I got to have so many thoughtful conversations with my parents, my dad asked so many questions. @31:17 yesss a home where thinking is required. And where the parents take time to listen think and ponder through different issues.

[@kayladedek7162]

Wow I think this is my new favorite episode. SO much wisdom. And now I have a new list of books to read! Great job guys!

[@olivianisle705]

What a treat, thank you! The hosts ask really good questions!

[@ksplash-d4q]

I love Doug Wilson. People will always be upset that he doesn’t flatter them and their preferences or that he doesn’t fit the typical pastor mold. Thank you for bringing such an incredible guest on! ❤

[@katiehurt6494]

Great episode! I’ve known the Wilson family for over forty years and our family has been greatly blessed by all that we have learned from them over the decades.

[@dailyoccasions9539]

You two could become the “ New Focus On The Family” Keep these types of interviews coming. Start doing series give more value. Write books and put together conferences we will attend

[@mountaingirl8124]

With the exception of supporting reformed theology and Calvinism. Heresies.

[@joannatripp7831]

This was so good! I am so glad that y'all introduced him! And his books. The Lord is really working through all of that!

[@Danielle7570]

This interview was amazing! My favorite by far!

[@NikkiPhillippi]

I LOVE what the Wilsons are doing and I LOVE Canon +! This interview was incredible! Great questions guys! 🙏🏻🫶🏻

[@stephenpak2866]

Thank you guys! I love this channel. I have 5 young children and have learned so much about biblical parenting through your videos. I was challenged when you said we are owned by God. Amen - this way of thinking has changed the way I live. Lord bless you!!

[@pebelstaveras8352]

Totally excited that young couples are embracing and discerning to share such godly examples like Doug. Because hes been on the No Talk List for too long

[@hannahthehomesteader]

I clicked so fast. This was the guest I requested!!

[@roxyperson8328]

I enjoy Pastor Wilson so MUCH!!

[@NorthernNessa]

Thank you for having Pastor Doug on!

[@NikkiSchumacherOfficial]

Agreed!

[@Celticbavarian]

1 minute in and I’m smashing the like button! ❤ the Wilsons!

[@suelayman1371]

BEST EVER! Huge, huge fan of DougWills

[@NorthernNessa]

The story of Nate at university is priceless.

[@SavedBySweetGrace]

Great episode! Love love Doug Wilson!!!

[@Dana-mb1hd]

Oh, you guys! I’m so excited to listen to this one today thank you both❤❤

[@meghantanner3157]

This is so important and eye opening! Thank you

[@familyunity70]

I have this book and loved it when I read it. Great book.

[@clairenagatani]

Lots of wisdom in this episode! Thanks!

[@jessicam8346]

I really appreciate that he gave very concrete examples of how to do X well (similar to what you do in the Get It All Done Clubhouse!) While theory, philosophy, etc are helpful, just having concrete ideas like "Watch the video with them and ask them what the ideology is behind it!" goes a long way to help parents understand the principles better. Otherwise, yes you would just think "He's a Pastor, he's going to be strict" and not understand the holistic approach he has to raise children who love God and have discernment out in the world, not just because they were restricted from things, but because they were taught the building blocks to be discerning. To Katie and Elisha, do you have top books of his that you would recommend starting with - on parenting and marriage?

[@lifeincoeurdaleneidaho6480]

YES! So excited for this.

[@faithp7201]

37:40 You were live and sometimes in the moment we can word things wrong. Teaching kids to love standards isn’t the goal it’s teaching them to love righteousness. Because standards do not produce righteousness, but righteousness produces standards.

[@anastasiyav1045]

So much wisdom !

[@oliviaf6239]

So much wisdom ! Thank you ! Looking forward to your next podcasts…I’ve learned so much from you guys. Lord is speaking and teaching me each time i listen to you.❤ real blessing

[@saraigomez9573]

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[@saraigomez9573]

😅😅 14:58 😂 15:00 😅😅 15:01

[@bairuta08]

So much good advice here, however if i could ask the question, i would want to know some advice to families, who don’t have any knowledge or understanding about homeschooling, who live in countries where homeschooling is illegal, and there are no Christian school options around and unfortunately have to send kids to a regular school. How in that scenario not lose your kids to the World?

[@maybaby2013]

YES !! Agreed!

[@sofiabravo1994]

If I were in that situation while yes the obstacle would be greater it certainly isn’t a problem for God, our faith is in Christ we can’t change our children’s hearts. There are plenty of Christians around the world who go to public schools no it’s not ideal but God always finds a way and tbh if I had to choose I rather my children attend a public school in a different country than here in the USA…

[@stephaniero9822]

Managing your household well does not mean that all your children are walking with the Lord. That is works based righteousness -basically if you do xyz then your children will be regenerated. No, that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Praise the Lord for his family’s faithfulness, however I know many of faithful pastors and family men who did everything “right” and still had wayward/prodigal sons - that doesn’t disqualify them from leadership. ❤ That being said, you guys asked excellent questions and the responses had a practical punch.

[@victorias5983]

Wow❤ amazing interview.

[@lauralu04]

I'm trying to understand, did he really just imply that the only reason to educate our daughters well is so they can someday educate our grandsons well? 44:21

[@dacandyman112]

No, he’s just addressing the person who would say that there is no need for women to be educated. He’s appealing to their faulty view.

[@victorias5983]

No he’s saying the level of education the mother receive is the the same education her son will have, roughly, if they are homeschooled.

[@lauralu04]

@@dacandyman112 so he's saying that he doesn't agree with not educating girls and his reasoning is: they need an education so they can teach future children? As opposed to so they can be educated because God may have other potential paths for them, their own businesses, their own careers?

[@lauralu04]

@@victorias5983 yes I do understand that. But his reasoning to educate girls seems to hinge on the fact that they will be destined to educate children. Not because they have worth as a person or that God may send them into the world on a different career path.

[@3ate4]

He's just saying that the family line will be educated. His daughters to have businesses and books and stuff. Obviously it's both.

[@LoudCry]

Super practical....

[@Bonnieuxful]

This was excellent ❣️Praise Yeshua❣️🥰💕🙏🏻🙏🏻💕

[@carolinarose8150]

Great episode! ❤

[@chelseapercy4144]

Something about this man makes my “run the other way” instinct kick in. I wonder why?

[@micaelalastname5602]

Lean into it ❤

[@lauralu04]

Yes, run! 😢 I'd highly encourage you to do some research on this guest.

[@davidbrotherton789]

Yes, by all means, listen to these random strangers in the comments section. He is a great Reformed theologian, and widely respected in the field. What exactly did he say that struck you?

[@davidbrotherton789]

​@@lauralu04since you seem so well informed on pastor Wilson, would you please enlighten us as to what danger his theology poses? Or was it how he raised his children to be Christians, who raised their children as Christians?

[@Ana_Cecilia615]

When he brought up spanking to establish authority over his children, I knew he had a power trip.

[@Anibanani501]

What are some practical ways we can help our children love the standard?

[@sofiabravo1994]

We can’t make them love the Lord but we are to set the example. That’s the best way to show them Christ is in how we love God, (love God with all your might by reading His word and prayer time/worship) treat them our husbands and others outside the home (loving thy neighbor). Lastly but not least pray pray pray over them and for them!

[@elizabethshaklee8450]

Are Katie and Elisha Calvinist? I’ve been a listening for at least a year and a half and didn’t realize that if so.

[@kate_700]

How fast I clicked on this!! 😅🎉

[@leahcravens9615]

When you talk about the Sabbath? If you read the Old Testament the Sabbath was on Saturday the last day of the week. The days were pm to pm , so the day your getting ready for starts on Friday night. Inter into sabbath day the night that begins sabbath which on our calendar is Friday night.

[@mf3610]

Some interesting thoughts but also not a fan of him saying spanking should be done to ages 5 and under. strictness can be accomplished without physicality in that way.

[@jones_partyof4401]

Spanking is lazy and abuse and I’m so sick of Christian’s thinking it’s okay. Jesus would not approve.

[@Ana_Cecilia615]

I commented on this too. Horrid, old school garbage. Spanking is considered abuse in foster care. I became a foster mom so I could show those children what grace and mercy look like. No child deserves to be spanked. People who still practice this need to watch a few episodes of SuperNanny. You can have respect from your children by being a calm adult in control of your anger. Now I have to question and wonder if his kids and grandkids are really what he says they are... "All Christian." Or do some of them just say that and live otherwise to keep peace.

[@katie8325]

I’m glad there’s someone with sense and compassion here! I couldn’t imagine physically assaulting a toddler. What is wrong with these people?

[@uffda]

If Dale’s dad was still alive and still in the ministry he would step out of the ministry because Dale is a Calvinist. The Bible says whosever will may come. A Bible college President told me my father was the most godly layman he knew. He became a Christian at 35 and his life changed - not happenstance but also not a Calvinistic self centered we are the chosen experience. Repentance is not a work. It is acknowledging our sinful behavior and our need for Jesus. My dad lived the life. He wasn’t OCD about being intentional. When you live a godly life that is your life - no how to books - no thinking deeper than necessary - no legalistic works rules - he memorized and lived the Word of God and shared his testimony wherever he went - he taught it to us children as in Deuteronomy 6 - he was also not OCD intentional. His Christianity was who he was. And that’s how he raised us. When one is a true believer - not head knowledge - the Holy Spirit comes forth in the Fruit of the Spirit. When we as parents live a life of the Fruit of the Spirit our children will seek God. But we all do have a sinful nature. I’m thankful that my dad taught us not only repentance but also the joys of living for God. What is in the world is replaced with the things of God. We had more laughs than any family I know. We didn’t have access to a Christian or home schooling. I went to public school but had the knowledge and discernment to live for God. All of us serve God. The grandchildren serve God. It doesn’t have to be overthought. If it is, then it is rote, head knowledge and does not come from the Spirit of God who lives within us.

[@davidbrotherton789]

You are wrong. Acknowledging that you had no role in your salvation is self-centered, but thinking that God wants you, but you can say no isn't? I love this complete nonsensical logic pattern. You also misquoted a verse from memory, and are throwing out all the other verses that explicitly talk about election, and that only the ones the Father gives to Jesus will follow him. Also, if you had watched the interview, you would know that nothing about what he said was legalistic. He is describing biblical parenting. His name is Doug.

[@davidbrotherton789]

Also, you literally talked about how your dad memorized the Bible and put it into practice, and then you said "it's not about head knowledge." You really need to listen to yourself and watch the actual interview.

[@creativereindeer]

Value his point on ‘who takes the hit’ and not just making kids/wife pay.

[@rebeccafalkner2876]

Really enjoyed this until near the end when it went into spanking young children. In our Christian home, we don’t parent by hitting them. There’s absolutely a way to be firm but kind. To communicate your authority to your kids while also cultivating genuine respect (not fear). Our kids know limits, they are respectful of us and others and people are constantly telling us how polite they are. Of course there are tough moments and meltdowns, but, we parent firmly and kindly through them. It can be done. Just because Christians you respect hit/spank their kids, DOES NOT mean this is the way to do it, or that you’ll raise misbehaved kids parenting without corporal punishment.

[@JuniperLynn789]

I understand your thoughts and definitely respect your parenting choice. I know this is an ongoing conversation and sensitive subject for many good reasons. I believe the point being made here about using spankings only for young children (preschool years) can be supported in this particular case because the spankings really are not, and should not, be hard at all at any point. At that age, a little pat on the bum (not in anger, but with a calm head) is enough for a toddler. I see it as the equivalent of a redirecting “peck” from a mama chicken, or a quick “snap” from a mama dog. Neither inflict pain or injury on the youngster, it’s just a quick physical redirection which little ones understand well. Then in the same sense, that preschool stage is quickly over and so is the “spanking” stage. Never a need to increase the force at all. However, I can understand that many parents (especially my parents’ generation) developed a skewed sense of what a spanking is and it turned to real abuse for many of us. Like whippings and causing marks, done in anger. Some of our parents were mentally unstable and passed that on to us. That is, in my understanding, abuse and I don’t agree. Those of us who suffered in that way and have not been recovered properly don’t have the mental stability to handle spanking our own children in a gentle, healthy way. So I can see the shift in our generation of generally avoiding spanking altogether. I just don’t want to pass judgement on other parents who may actually be doing it in a healthy way.

[@clairenagatani]

Agreed. I see him as a sound and Godly man but it's always astounding to me how many leaders like him just seem to gloss over critical thought and exegetical study when it comes to spanking. I'm trying not to focus on this since it was such a small part of the episode and everything else was so good. But it's sad and disappointing.

[@ksplash-d4q]

⁠​⁠@@clairenagatanilet me assure you he does not gloss over critical thought and exegetical study when it comes to anything, including spanking. He and his daughters have MANY resources on spanking and discipline if you are interested in hearing his position. I especially loved Rachel’s series “Detox for the modern mom.”

[@clairenagatani]

@@ksplash-d4q actually looking into them right now. Because I do respect their family a lot. My heart is open to change on this issue. However, having done lots of study into spanking myself and with my husband, the Bible does not command us to spank little kids the way that it is so widely preached in the church. Just hearing him say that all corporal punishment should happen by age 5 lends to my comment on lack of exegetical study because a simple reading of the context of most of the verses speaking to it in the Bible show older youth being hit on the back with rods. The Bible does not say we cannot spank our kids, but it also doesn't command that we get our kids to obey by spanking them and having most of that done at a young age.

[@ksplash-d4q]

@@clairenagatani I’ve had this debate with so many moms and have realized there are a lot of personal experiences that influence the conviction to spank or not spank. I believe the Bible makes it clear that spanking is appropriate and also doesn’t lay out clear guidelines on how to do it. I think the most important thing for a parent is to come to a decision and be confident in your position. It’s the insecurity and uncertainty that is a disservice to our children. I genuinely hope you find a position you have peace with! I guess I only got involved because the one thing that’s never true about Doug Wilson is that he lacks critical thinking skills, haha.

[@garlandofbooks4494]

Interesting, I’ve never seen someone say they were Armenian. I’m not Calvinist, but I’m certainly not Armenian either, by no stretch. I’m baptist and evangelical, but I would use Leighton Flowers and Adam Harwood’s term of “Provisionist”. Usually when I hear the term Armenian it’s by Calvinist calling others Armenian, or giving them a binary choice and confusing them enough to trick them into saying they’re Armenian when they don’t know what it means. It’s not a binary choice. Calvin is so interesting, because Augustine was the only early church father he liked. The church fathers that weren’t determinist that Calvin did not like, that predated Augustine include: -Clement of Rome (AD30-100) -Ignatius (AD30-107) -Barnabas (AD100) -Justin Martyr (AD 110-165) -Irenaeus (AD120-202) -Tatian (AD110-172) -Tertullian (AD145-220) -Clement of Alexandria (AD153-217) -Origen (AD185-254) -Hippolytus (AD170-236) -Novatian (AD210-280) -Archelaus (AD277) -Alexander of Alexandria (AD273-326) -Lactantius (AD260-330)

[@LanceJRoberts]

Seems like you guys are making "legalism = specifics" (like a lot of the modern Christian world). Specific advice is not legalism, even if you disagree with it. Legalism is where someone thinks that something they do gets them something from God. Glad you had Doug on.

[@davek2906]

The early Christian record is unanimous on regeneration in infant baptism. There is no clearer theological agreement among early Christian writing than on infant baptism (other than Jesus and the resurrection). When he mentioned infant baptism, and then said what do you think I am crazy? And then the hosts chuckled. That disgusted me because it demonstrates an utter lack of humility and ignorance about early Christian teaching. And it’s tragic, because it means that babies are going un baptized when the early Christian witness regarding infant baptism is absolutely unanimous. Second point: his whole family is Christian. Doesn’t that just mean God chose and predestined his whole family for salvation in reformed theology? It doesn’t have anything to do with his principles, rearing techniques, or anything other than God’s sovereignty.

[@clairenagatani]

Doug Wilson does baptize babies. I think he was referring to his position before when it was foreign to him and they probably laughed since they know his views have changed...

[@hugsforlove]

❤❤

[@taylorferrell8308]

I really like this talk but would have to disagree with letting your kids actively watch or listen to things that are against God even if its for learning purposes. There are so many great documentaries out there that exposes the occult, films, books and music now that I would find those the better way to teach kids the evil that is out there. A really good one that I remember my parents showing me when I was 14 was "They sold their souls for rock and roll" I remembering looking at music in such a different way after that.

[@beckyjoy4811]

Somehow he reminds me of Donald Trump

[@oanarusuungureanu1309]

A protestant web of lies...unfortunatelly. The true Church îs the Orthodox. God have mercy!

[@jarie9689]

Doug is a legalist and preaches another gospel that is not on the basis of faith alone. Love y’all, but cannot get behind this episode at all.

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

Elijah hardly can ever get any words in

[@lindajohnson4204]

Poor baby.

[@paulanix7561]

I suspect they preplan and Katie agreed to take the show

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

@paulanix7561 lol ,every show ?

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

@@lindajohnson4204 role swap

[@paulanix7561]

@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus oh, come on. You're exaggerating. Bless them with a compliment. Wonderful segment!

[@lindajohnson4204]

Does he call silly women the C-word, or is it non-silly women he calls the C-word?

[@aaronzasadny3674]

He doesn't call anyone that.

[@lindajohnson4204]

@@aaronzasadny3674 That's not what I heard.

[@aaronzasadny3674]

Well maybe you should confirm from the source before believing everything you read online.

[@lindajohnson4204]

@@aaronzasadny3674 I didn't confirm. Actually, I didn't want to read it. He was swaggering and mocking of people who disagreed with him, especially hated women, and he saw himself as a champion of men who hated women. There was laughter at the expense of suffering women. I found that he said it, credible, but still upsetting. It seemed like he was going after the same crowd that made Mark Driscoll rich and famous, so stooping to those kinds of tactics seemed likely. But how ungodly and cruel. I can't remember where I read it, but I will try to verify. Again, I see it as at least 50-50 that he said it.. It is not unusual for people who want to go up in the world, or become admired leaders, to pick a scapegoat and entertain the boys/girls by tormenting them, especially when their ambition includes politics. But among the people who enjoy tormenting me, are some who mighy have fed me false information through some false online identity or something. I definitely have people on my case like that. And it would be great if young men who feel lost in the worldly culture had godly men who actually bring them to Jesus, providing a real godly influence. Instead, they get entertainers who want to be Jimmy Cagney, smashing the grapefruit half in his wife's face. You can't go broke with that, but it's not a godly influence.

[@SadieLGardner]

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