Ratel ZT3 VS T55 TANKS BATTLE OF THE LOMBA Hannes Nortmann en span

[@alanjames3088]

'I got him! I got him!' …. the unmistakable voice of my old friend Darren Nelson - may he forever RIP.

[@TheToolnut]

Thanks for holding the line back in the Day, what happened to him? How did he die?

[@npktrust3184]

Alan James Het jy vir Muis Roberts en Jakkals geken.??

[@peta30000]

@@TheToolnut I also would like to know

[@Jeff-vb4ym]

Does anyone know at what range they were engaged at

[@user-gx6tu3mf4k]

@@Jeff-vb4ym Knowing the bush? Probably not too far, but you never know.

[@beylie1387]

"I got the cunt!" Mooi boytjie!

[@StormB67]

Memories.. The Ratel whine.. September / October 1987 32 Btn were armed with the ZT3 Ratels and they took out 3 T54 tanks. What you are hearing is what actually happened

[@luckydubeinrc5165]

1986 to 1989 hooper packer moduler, never went home, a hell of a fight.

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

I thought 32bn was independent of the 61 Mech group?

[@Ghoulza]

@@pieterwillembotha6719 they were but were called in to support 61 mech

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

@@Ghoulza so it was combined ops?

[@Ghoulza]

@@pieterwillembotha6719 yes

[@Etiennef147]

the sound only a Ratel can make....... , amazing what a bunch of oumanne can do

[@ondrej44]

This video was recommended to me before update "Ixwa Strike".

[@garrykambimbi]

Inb4 phly role plays this

[@Jeff-vb4ym]

Gonna recreate this

[@cowetareserve]

"I got him! I got him! I got him!" Baie dankie vir alles vat julle gedoen het vir Suid Africa van almal by die huis en mense van ons nasie reg orald die wereld.

[@toast2610]

Hul het die ANC in die kussings gehelp en fokol gedoen om hul te stop toe die politici die land verraai. Hul is 'n klad op die name van die wat hul lewe gegee het vir die land.

[@kassieduplessis2035]

thanks I were there, fuck the political science we were only men doing things right.

[@irishboer7124]

fuckin A

[@peterohalloran845]

Buddy I wish I coyldgive your comnent ten likes.

[@frednel4326]

Ex 20 mm ratel gunner here from 1979 onwards..geez i miss the whine of that awesome machine lol.. peace

[@malcolmallerton3946]

They where trained good they did not panic That’s a feather in there caps

[@vladdurand1256]

beste klanke in die wereld: die klanke van n ratel wat sy vyande verorber....

[@drivernephi1002]

1:43, thank me later Major Samm lads

[@cliffvis]

Hearing the excitement of taking out those commi's is fulfilling.

[@driesmostert7160]

Ek was a Tiffie by 61 Mech toe ons moes onttrek van Suidwes na Walvisbaai < 1989 . . iets wat my altyd sal bybly is toe ons tussen Swakopmund en Walvis gestop het as convoy en alma lgelyktydig in die see ingehardloop het met inuform en al . Wens so baie dat daar fotos van dit kon wees .

[@Toncor12]

South Africa was light years ahead with armoured vehicle designs and many of the armoured personnel carriers in the US army are made in SA or designed by them.

[@Toncor12]

@Charl Jacobs - this website will tell you which country is using SA vehicles.......www.army-technology.com/features/south-african-armoured-vehicles/

[@EricTheActor805]

Not really, these were knockoffs of French designs, far behind western designs

[@Toncor12]

@@EricTheActor805 I'm not talking about modern SA equipment, I'm talking about designs in the 1970s. Not even French equipment had V-shaped hulls. SA was years ahead of its time back then and still supplies modern MRAPs to several countries.

[@EricTheActor805]

@@Toncor12 Generally Armscor proceeded by studying specimens of foreign equipment, sometimes through one of its third parties, then applying these skills to their improvement. By the 1990s it could boast of being "a world leader" in the field of upgrading obsolete weapons. Thus, Armscor's Olifant Mk1As were rebuilt from elderly British Centurion tanks purchased from India and Jordan. Its Atlas Cheetah interceptors were based on Mirage III airframes and inspired by the IAI Kfir. A French armoured personnel carrier, the Berliet VXB, inspired the six-wheeled Ratel IFV; Armscor also developed the Eland Mk7, a larger and more sophisticated variant of the Panhard AML armoured car. The G5 is a South African towed howitzer of 155 mm calibre developed in South Africa by Denel Land Systems. The G5 design was based on the Canadian GC-45 155mm gun which was highly modified to suit southern African conditions. The G6, sometimes denoted as the G6 Rhino, is a South African mine-protected self-propelled howitzer. It was developed as a turreted, self-propelled variant of the G5 howitzer series, mating the gun to a six-wheeled armoured chassis South Africa was decades behind

[@AapVanDieKaap]

@@EricTheActor805 You are cherrypicking. Not all South African military equipment are adaptations. Many are original designs and are still exported to other militaries.

[@tonydefresnaye7027]

SA design and manufacture of Armoured Personnel Carriers and Infantry Combat Vehicles was streaks ahead of the rest of the world. Interesting to also note that the SAAF was flying Mirage F1's with antiquated French made Magic and Matra missiles against swing wing Mig 23's that had a better performance and better missiles. This advantage was only negated by superior SAAF pilot training. Had the war continued for a few years more, the Atlas Cheetah with its "home grown" Kukri missile system and integrated pilot helmet "Look and Shoot" system (first of its kind in the world), would have been introduced into the war and they would've made dogs mince out of the Mig 23's. The Cheetah program was in itself a stop gap solution to the Mig's while Project Carva was in development - Carva, South Africa's first home grown unstable design fly by wire fighter aircraft with a minimum capability of an F16. SADLY South Africa's weapons technology has been whored out to the lowest bidder with the proceeds lining the pockets of cheap ANC pimps and Armscor /Denel struggling to survive!

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

The mig-23's became operational in 1970 and 5000 were built ; it was by no means the newest plane in the Soviet Arsenal nor did the Angolan's get the latest version. The Mig-23's already had a look down/shoot capability by this time thought i am not sure if it was offered on export version's. Had the war continued things would have gotten really bad for South-Africa with the ever increasing capability and force numbers of Cuba/Soviet advisors and growing competency of the Angolans themselves. Suffice to say our leadership were smart enough to quit while ahead knowing that they achieved what they could having never foreseen such a huge Cuban commitment. As for South-Africa's technology being whored out this is what happens when you let private corporations make decisions; if only our white capitalist leaders would empower the state and maybe gain he same subsidies as they used to this would not happen but basically our capitalist class would risk much pain rather than empower a state ( and thus the country) that they no longer formally run.

[@tonydefresnaye7027]

@@pietersteenkamp5241 Not sure I agree with all you are saying. The Cheetah series aircraft was only a stopgap solution to replacing the Mirages until the Carver aircraft was operational. Carver was a SA homegrown prototype unstable design fly-by-wire aircraft with a minimum capability of an F16. www.africandefence.net/project-carver-emerges-from-the-shadows/ The Soviets were already by the late stages of the Angolan war looking for a way to extricate themselves from the conflict because they had lost billions $$$ in destroyed and captured equipment with the Cubans not showing much for that investment. It is doubtful the Soviets would have gone all in and fully mobilized against SA. It was not a war South africa would have won in the long term but also doubtful South Africa would have lost either. General Rafael del Pino Diaz who defected to the US estimated that as many as 10 000 Cuban troops had been killed in the conflict so SA was certainly no pushover walk in the park and the Soviets knew that. SA never made much of Cuban losses for the simple reason (according to Gen. Geldenhuys) ...."you don't want to antagonize and provoke a superpower that has lost prestige".

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

​@@tonydefresnaye7027 Excuse the lack of paragraph breaks; sometimes the text gets cut off if you try a more correct structure *The Soviets were already by the late stages of the Angolan war looking for a way to extricate themselves from the conflict because they had lost billions $$$ in destroyed and captured equipment with the Cubans not showing much for that investment. It is doubtful the Soviets would have gone all in and fully mobilized against SA* Last i heard this wasn't a soviet intervention but a Cuban one; the USSR were already withdrawing and further descending into internal strife as the reform process started. It was very much a Cuban ideological ( if you are kind) / prestige ( if you are not) project which is why they risked more than the Soviet union would have ever advised them. That being said the balance of arms were still with the USSR but NATO was definitely narrowing he gap. The question of the USSR doubling down on Angola while withdrawing or cycling down activities in Afghanistan doesn't in my view even arise. *It was not a war South africa would have won in the long term but also doubtful South Africa would have lost either* While fighting the war in Southern Angola it could most certainly be 'lost' strategically thought i agree the Cubans/Angolans had a lot to learn and the SANDF had some UNITA men left to throw into the furnace; i don't foresee a deep Cuban penetration into South west Africa or anything like that. I think there is a good reason you see a lot of 'unknowns' when it comes to UNITA casualties but it isn't because they were not the one's always in the front lines paying the blood toll and allowing the South African armor and artillery contingents to then react as effectively as they almost always did. Our involvement in Angola was absolutely predicated on being able to keep on raising and maintaining these UNITA forces and as i understand the casualties had reached such levels in the late 80's that things had reached a breaking point. As i understand it we simply lacked the logistical ( always partly political) means to keep enough South-Africans there and if we had to do the actual assaults it would not be UNITA losing 3000 dead trying to break FAPLA at Cuito Cuanavale but the SANDF losing many hundreds instead of the 86 ( probably not even accurate) if we would try at all which we under such circumstances absolutely would not. *General Rafael del Pino Diaz who defected to the US estimated that as many as 10 000 Cuban troops had been killed in the conflict so SA was certainly no pushover walk in the park and the Soviets knew that* What i believe General Diaz claimed was that that Cuba had up to his defection taken up to ten thousand casualties which as you know would overwhelmingly mean wounded or otherwise injured. Given this was Southern Angola disease was probably a major issue? In either case i am not sure where the official numbers stand today but last i heard it was 2000- 5000 war dead for Cuba trough the span of the war ? As for the USSR they simply did not have designs on South-Africa understanding that the best they could do was support the ANC which had chosen a campaign of gaining support for sanctions and industrial sabotage instead of wide scale assassination/violence against whites. It turns out the ANC was a very conservative organization back then and if people can still not see why the Apartheid government was so willing to ultimately cede power to them then i just don't even know what to say. The ANC wasn't then and isn't today a radical movement thought white racist/capitalist boot lickers do love to focus on the small and almost completely neutralized radical elements in it. *SA never made much of Cuban losses for the simple reason (according to Gen. Geldenhuys) ...."you don't want to antagonize and provoke a superpower that has lost prestige* Sure, the South-African government understood power relations and geopolitics well enough and knew that while they could get away with their apartheid corruption scheme while the USSR existed to scare their white overseer class with that was no longer possible in 1990-1991 so they immediately took the very conservative and cooperative ANC leadership out of storage and made a deal to keep all their ill gotten spoils and also largely stay in charge of the economy. The ANC was certainly by 1990 no longer ( if ever ) a serious threat to white economic supremacy in South Africa in a world now ruled by the US Navy and western industry/banks. Much bloodshed and pain could have been avoided and we would all be better off if ANC had not been so effectively neutered of all it's reformist ambitions. The greatest crime of the apartheid government may ultimately have been in how effectively it neutered the ANC by killing or neutering the best minds in it leading to the neo liberal capitalist hell scape their loyal supporters must endure to this day.

[@tonydefresnaye7027]

@@pietersteenkamp5241 Nice. Very articulately written. There still is so so much we don't know and I concede estimates of Cuban losses were greatly exaggerated and as you quite correctly stated more in the region 5000 (93 S. African troops were killed in Cuito). The Soviets typically would avoid as much as possible direct intervention and rather fight a proxy war through their Cuban surrogates (though there were many Soviet advisors and technical staff that had to be evacuated out of Cuito when the battle started turning against them). Overall and as you alluded to, there were and possibly still is much bigger political machinations at work than we are aware of.

[@christobosman5710]

@@pietersteenkamp5241 if the war should have carried on we would have flatten Luanda , it would have been very difficult for the Cubans to regroup and fight us as Russia wanted to withdraw its aid to Cuba , at kwyto we lost +- 30 soldiers and the casualties of Cubans was over or close to 4500 and I'm not even going to mention their massive loss of tanks and Mig s that was destroyed , so I don't see how we would have lost this war should it lasted longer , People if you wasn't their please leave your comments for the troops who was their to talk about .

[@carolmiller760]

A NEW SA Army Captain told a group of us that there are hundreds of Ratels Rusting behind the building at what was once the Cape Corps

[@professionalcriticalthinke9997]

Sounds like my bf5 squad

[@gerhardpotgieter840]

Respect from a former 1SSB Rooikat loader.

[@nilcarb9689]

Cool Stuff Puppies!! Fas byt Manne !!

[@nilcarb9689]

Manne ! Hammer the bastards !! (I love the whine of that Ratel gear box).. Chow!!

[@vivatrev]

Sound of the the gearbox - recognized it so straight away.

[@gentilebeliever2249]

Well done Lads. Fantastic work

[@jemtuck1]

Shows you do not need short hair and shiny boots to be the best combat unit in the world!!

[@ivan-zvonimirkovacevic9075]

The voices of the history...

[@RocheSimon]

Yster!

[@christoavdmerwe]

Wow , so nice to see and hear Nelson, did SAP with him. Fantastic guy 👌🏻 rip

[@sands2727]

... we load another one Major? ... 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@useryggfdcc]

Ja, man....😁

[@Deontjie]

Ratel, the first wheeled infantry fighting vehicle in the world. Still copied to this day.

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

@Charl Jacobs These guys will believe anything which is partly why we ended up fighting a bush war in Angola of all places.

[@iancockcroft9427]

only a sound byte? Give a discription of whats going on.Can figure it out, but would be nice to know the context, how many tanks they destroyed etc.thanks

[@nilcarb9689]

Well, according to to the security cameras, I have just fallen out of my chair. Guys, I will be there . LOL !! Chow!!

[@basicallyhell4150]

He got em

[@peta30000]

Imagine warthunder adds every hit or miss reaction of this audio for the south african tanks... (on another topic did these guys survive the war?)

[@nondescripthandle212]

These vehicles aren't in war thunder

[@peta30000]

@@nondescripthandle212 and it should be

[@peta30000]

@@nondescripthandle212 the rooikat is already

[@spotty4710]

Well the SA tech tree is coming my friend

[@CheezeSpartan]

And now we have it

[@normanberg9940]

That poor driver was working his gat off and crapping it at the same time.

[@danieferreira9094]

Julle maak my trots om te se ek was ook in Namibie! Vat so kwagga!

[@josephjordell7923]

Can somebody explain the sounds we are hearing. What is that continuous "boooosh" sound. Is it the main weapon firing? What is the main weapon? It it a missile launcher or is it a cannon?

[@BeaufighterGaming]

It’s the main weapon, the boooosh sound is the missiles leaving those big holes you can see at the top of the picture. Absolutely devastating things, could go through over a meter of solid steel.

[@dewetmaartens359]

Much respect. Great men. Tomorrow will be our chance to equal the exploits of our fathers. Met God, Toyota en die AK!

[@peterohalloran845]

Thanks for this....Heres to those that wish us well all the rest can.....

[@nemo_5450]

True men defending their country💪

[@ehbednyankodzeyah2084]

...what was the war for?

[@gerardandrew4820]

Have been reading somewhere that they are selling the ratels for as low as 3000 euro per batch? Love to see one here in Europe. you can buy al kinds of material here, even Soviet vehicles wheeled and tracked.

[@Deontjie]

What happened to the reliable ADE engines? According to an insider the corrupt ANC sold the Atlantis ADE plant to Cuba, which never paid for it.

[@Raw-Thunder]

@@Deontjie sold it to former enemies ? No way...

[@Deontjie]

@@Raw-Thunder Cuban mechanics now service the SANDF vehicles. The South African army bought Covid "medicine" from Cuba, which went to waste as it was stored over the maximum temperature. A probe later found the multimillion rand purchase to be irregular. Medic students of a dark complexion studies in Cuba. The South African government was on the brink of donating R50 million to Cuba, but it was blocked by opposition parties using the courts.

[@Raw-Thunder]

@@Deontjie this is unreal! I can't believe the ANC would be friends with the Cubans . Well I guess they're both communist aligned so that might be the main reason.

[@vitusvitalis819]

So , it was zt3 ? I thought Ratel 90 initially , can anyone tell me please has Ratel-90 ever fought against tanks

[@therealmrfishpaste]

Ratel 90s frequently encountered tanks in Angola (T-34s and T-55s): the superior mobility of the Ratels plus the superior training of their crews meant that more often than not the Ratels came out on top.

[@regiomontanus74]

I remember there were many in the former USSR , esp among the youth (and I must confess - I was one), who in those days sympathized with the RSA and SADF cause

[@laman012]

@@regiomontanus74 traitor.

[@vryheidvirdieboervolk973]

@@regiomontanus74 we are the white tribes, at the end of the day we are all brothers. . Although in angola you fought against us , in the boer wars you fought with us as volunteers and Russia also sent us volunteer nurses during the boer war .And know that we are in need Russia has overed to take 15000 boers . War is never really fought by civilians but mostly by governments. God bless brother.

[@useryggfdcc]

@@regiomontanus74 thank you.

[@ebrahimabrahams3299]

Shawn ex32 support sq.

[@CareldeBeer-oj5xb]

Major i salute u

[@Setofan1]

Can anyone translate what they are saying?

[@luckydubeinrc5165]

basically, go back, get out of here, forward..how many left,, one more, one more missile, one missed, oad up one more, forward ,,forward, shoot, got him , back , get out of here etc,

[@ixussa]

4:17 "NEE MAN! Verkeerde een!!" (no man! wrong one) 4:19 [other guy]......wahhhaaa 4:22 "You shot the wrong one man!"

[@luckydubeinrc5165]

2 tanks went down in short succesion

[@bigiron2572]

I really want someone to animate this so I could see what was going on outside the tank

[@groeisterk]

Puik dankie, deel nog asb

[@wigon]

Is the gun on the turret (below the missiles in the picture) a Mk19 40mm automatic grenade launcher? In the audio I hear a "thump thump thump" that sounds to me like an automatic grenade launcher firing. In the U.S. Army, the Mk-19 was one of my favorite weapon systems. Highly effective against a wide range of targets using both direct and indirect fire methods. A great match for a missile carrier as a secondary weapon in my opinion.

[@kooijpolloi8220]

Its a 7.62 machine gun

[@deanvandermerwe2028]

the pooping sound you hear are the other ratels engaging the tanks with 90mm heat rounds ( Ratel 90's ) the troop consisted of 8 Ratel 90' s and 4 ratel ZT3's

[@deanvandermerwe2028]

sorry popping sound ... not pooping

[@useryggfdcc]

@@deanvandermerwe2028 Die cubans het gepoop😁. Goeie ou dae. Ek was daai tyd by 1 Sqn Mirage F1 AZ....avionics tech. My broer was op die G5 kanonne in Angola...so baie stories..

[@normanberg9940]

@@kooijpolloi8220 No it's not it's a browning 30 cal. Still American though.

[@lolopard99]

RATEL in WAR THUNDER, best update

[@cliffvis]

Ja boet

[@jamesritchie2167]

Pity we such kak weapons. Those anti tank missiles were terrible.

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

Luckily well trained/led and experienced men can get a lot done with even less than they had under these circumstances; taking on T-55's with Ratel -90's required balls of steel and fantastic coordination; the first isn't so hard on men in their twenties but the second can be trying!

[@alexanderneethling6668]

It boiled down to. Them Or Us. Salute.

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

You were in their country and we were oppressing a majority; it clearly wasn't us or them as we are still here and they are just trying to get on with their lives today as they were trying to do back then. You really need to get over this and move on like they have.

[@richardwebb9532]

​@@pietersteenkamp5241 Really? How much of our country we built is left after they took over? How does it make it "their country" simply by the colour of their skin? Did whites ever plant bombs in black areas? How do you feel about the 18 000 murders per year now, VS the 14 000 murders in 40 years then?

[@Deontjie]

En niemand voel jammer vir die Kubaane binne die T55 tenk nie? Onthou daar was vir hulle vertêl hulle kom baklei met Russiese wapens teen 'n arm Afrika land wat geen wapens mag koop nie.

[@nicobester5512]

Op daardie stadium? NEE. Vir meer konteks in rasseverhoudings gedurende oorlog in Afrika, Kyk gerus "Africa adeu" dan besluit jy self oor die graad van meegevoel in die spesifieke situasie.

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

That was not the message they got. South-Africa was a powerhouse and whatever the Cuban soldiers were told it wasn't that things would be easy which is why tens of thousands of them were sent; hardly what you do when you expect an easy fight of it.

[@CareldeBeer-oj5xb]

K het majoor nortman ge operyte in angola die beste bevel vooerdr wat ek ken

[@locoman888]

Where the video..who are those four?

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

This happened 30 years ago; the priority was to fight and win and not to give young men video camera's so that they could record their occasional war crimes....

[@Homoprimatesapiens]

Seemingly the missiles are just bottle launched Guy Fawkes rockets. Armscor have to take some lessons by the Russians in building state of the art missiles.

[@hanneslombaard5854]

You should remember that was 35 years ago

[@Deontjie]

Southern Angola is to this day littered with T34 tank wrecks, that was destroyed by these Ratels.