Rating a Great Stag Knight Doomstack but it's also a disaster battle

[@aayushpurswani9630]

Time to send a carrion doomstack to him and have him rate it.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

0/10. done

[@voodooozo3755]

Oh please, we know only the strongest and most powerful doomstack is worth of legend's time. The warwagon doomstack!

[@TheGunblade911]

Just put a wizzard in it and Legend make it a 10/10. just "hide" carrions in forrest and use the wizzard on a horseback xD

[@ShadowWalker-ng1it]

@@TheGunblade911 carrion can't hide

[@danielmortensen450]

@@ShadowWalker-ng1it sure they can they keep hiding their potential :)

[@Witch_King]

Some Elf-things on stags fighting against other Elf-things on Raptors. Perfect game.

[@datuputi777]

darkelves are so behind on other races in terms of melee units now :c

[@iainballas]

What if you were the AI about to win for once but then you heard "Hey guys, Legend of Total War here..."

[@Wayofswords]

Cheat

[@gammothguy297]

That sounds like my experience every time I play multiplayer

[@marcgw496]

This comment made me chuckle more than it should.

[@zonkrt3463]

"Rate my Doomstack" "Disaster Battle" I'd call that rating done lol

[@ryanschmidt3319]

Nah , even mammoth doomstacks can be put into disaster situations. Plus what one person might call a disaster another might find perfectly manageable.

[@R3GARnator]

Have you watched his other disaster battles? Half of them are doom-stacks he would use.

[@davidirvine7238]

@@ryanschmidt3319 he even mentioned in the last doomstack vid that it's better to test a stack vs bad odds so he can test it's power

[@spocky7305]

Player: I want you to rate my doom stack! Legend: Has Life Wizard and I can hide all of your other units... 10/10

[@LordGame2222]

Good to see some of that old LegendOfCavSpam spirit still in there

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

Alternative Title: Rating a Life Wizard Doomstack.

[@TheDSDragon]

yeah, stag doom stack, special ability is " hide in the forest" :))) (sorry for butchering written english)

[@bigpigeon2384]

Literally all of that was in perfect English

[@TheDSDragon]

@@bigpigeon2384 sometimes I doubt my written English, didn't practice a lot in the past several years :D

[@mandu6665]

You never need to apologize for your second or third or more language. If anyone takes offense, they're an asshole so just ignore them.

[@jackfondue639]

Its Ok (srry bads english)

[@George-vv5ok]

It’s great English no need to apologise and good on you for learning a second language

[@calebdoty9090]

Time for a Peasant Bowman doomstack! Only it is actually a doom STACK, it is 6 full armies of Peasant Bowman sitting on top of each other.

[@Tommonius]

I actually did a checker board formation of peasant archers with about 3 stacks. Actually worked decent against orks and norsca

[@ktvindicare]

@@Tommonius Honestly if it werent for the Peasant Economy mechanic you could realistically win Bretonnian Campaigns just spamming shit loads of archers. For how cheap they are they are really good missile units and there's no supply lines for Bretonnia. Just make sure you don't go to war with the Elves though, Peasant Archers are total shit vs Elf factions I've learned that the hard way in previous campaigns.

[@Tommonius]

@@ktvindicare yea i bribed the wood elves into being my friends. with all the gold i was raking in. made early game easy by using 4 lords to beat anything and got their vows sorted then gave them knight stacks with some archers and trebuchet for seiges. had surplus of peasants i could recruit so when i got invaded just snagged extra lords and mass recruited archers while my crusading stacks colonized overseas. super easy playing brettonia.

[@lieuwedewolf2476]

Them: "Noooo you can't just hide your army and use magic!!!!" Legend: "Haha lore of life go brr."

[@Torg-02]

Lore of """""life"""""

[@petrgrebenicek1067]

@@Torg-02 it gives life as easilly as it takes it

[@lumenalacerful]

Once again with suggestive titles. Boys night out, Great Stag “Night.”

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

Lol he should have played as Orion Faction Talsyn for Stag Knights they get bonuses after last patch.

[@darkrite9000]

Yeah, Orion's faction is probably the only time great stag knights could be a doomstack, still weaker than treeman generally speaking, but it'd be alright, I don't really bother with cav very often though. I prefer using monster or ranged focus armies, so I'm kinda sad that Waywatchers no longer get 300 range, but I guess I can deal with it.

[@nessa-parmentier]

15:33 That moment the game plays a music i never heard I suppose it's a wood elf music ? (Maybe even from the last DLC ?°

[@Dewmuss]

It's basic dark elf music man. Been there since wh2 release.

[@nessa-parmentier]

@@Dewmuss well. The fact I never played a dark elf campaign more than 2 hours without quitting might have something to do with that.

[@manopeace9175]

"You're not cheesing enough" - LegendofTotalWar

[@DrNoVa47]

What cheese is he referring to here though? Idk any Power reserve cheese tbh..

[@marlonmorris8245]

@@DrNoVa47 As far as I'm aware, you recruit knowledgeable wizards every turn, if one does not appear, then hire a different one just to introduce a new available lord with knowledgeable the next turn. Dismiss all, and the knowledgeable trait is still active even when the wizard is dismissed.

[@BlingLingification]

Something i always do with the Ancient treeman lord is just send him into the middle of the enemy army. Since he also has the Lore of Life, i just drop down a dwellers below while the entire army swarms him. He has the HP pool to tank all of those units. Meanwhile, my waywatcher just sit back and take out any survivors.

[@shorewall]

As I watch Legend and learn the game, I think Heroes and Lords should be the front line, letting the enemy army blob up around them, and then hit them with magic and ranged. Against the AI, that is the best strategy as presently constituted. Which also makes Life Magic one of the best lores, because you can heal your Lords and Heroes, and also drop Dwellers Below on the blob.

[@darkrite9000]

@@shorewall Yup, that's what makes ranged armies so powerful on higher difficulties, because the AI will focus on lords and heroes, or really anything out in front and then you just shoot them. The only other thing being to use monster focused armies, like Ushabti spam, or Shaggoth spam, because they're hard hitting, fast, have a lot of mass, and don't die too easily. Meanwhile monsters that suck are, namely trolls and giants, the newer trolls added by warden and paunch dlc are fairly fine, river and stone trolls are actually pretty decent. But normal trolls, ice trolls, or chaos trolls all kinda suck. Cause they don't have good durability and have low leadership, armored chaos trolls are a bit better for durability but they still have fairly low leadership so it's meh. Though playing Chaos anything besides a Shaggoth stack will get mixed results, against ranged focused armies chosen are too slow to really close the distance, same with giants which is why Legend doesn't use them. But I digress, generally speaking going with ranged focused armies, especially for certain factions, is a must.

[@Anttown123]

you need orion with wild horn for this to work.

[@fuchsmichael93]

yeah thought the same after watching some of turins videos, the charge bonus they get is just insane

[@thechildoflost3324]

Brother

[@kiklop22]

I love the "little" conversations he's having XD 20:12 And the VOICE that he makes as one of his "generic" subs is hilarious LOL

[@lolthien]

2:12 Battle begins. Wizard on Eagle wasting enemy ammo. Spell sniping. 4:59 Brings rest of army out of hiding and battle begins.

[@azzamnurfaiq3836]

Dunno the thought process behind this tbh. I love my great stag knights but they do need support to perform their best.

[@jimbob4447]

All Chosen Chaos army 'doomstack' incoming.

[@darkrite9000]

That'd only even remotely work as Archaon, and besides Legend already did that in a Chaos livestream awhile back. I'm kinda assuming you're only half joking, but still felt like commenting.

[@lordmaur180]

Too much micro to doomstack cav, not worth it, you always get 1 or 2 units stuck every hit and run, cannons demolish cav and if the AI dont divide its forces you need to slowly take pot charges on the flanks, a hard battle that could take 6-8 min with archers or heroes takes over 40 mins with cav

[@jackfondue639]

Also the maps are too small

[@lordmaur180]

@@jackfondue639 yep, and trees kill your speed and meele attack

[@JW-zd1qn]

You're legend will be known forever.

[@roeljoseph7905]

Heh. Stag-edon stack. Heh.

[@RomjGuy]

Time for someone to send Legend a zoat doom stack and have him rate it

[@janovmi2]

in any doomstack, dont give him casters, cause he will ruin the purpose of the doomstack itself =>from now on only dwarfs

[@alex_zetsu]

I'd say he used the Great Stag Knights effectively. He used their speed to neutralize reinforcements and one of the artillery pieces and their high HP pool helped. Rather than saying Ledged didn't use the purpose of the cavalry, I'd say he just opened up with the wizard before using the knights because he wanted to fully use every unit.

[@Scorpion122178]

caster is a vital part of any doomstack. Not sure what you're talking about.

[@janovmi2]

@@Scorpion122178 i think that casters and heroes should be used as support units not as a way to cheese, (waste amo, destroy half army with magic etc) just not fan of that, thats it thats why i play almost exclusively MP, cause its hard to cheese there :)

[@Scorpion122178]

@@janovmi2 I enjoy both for different reasons. If you're using a doomstack you're already cheesing anyway.

[@eldenwarden9673]

Legend I wanted to see this stack! Thanks for the content

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

2:01 i love this guy

[@Sephlock]

I'm surprised the sender didn't use Orion for this. That horn is no joke.

[@YiaMdj]

Maybe if you keep some stag knights in reserve hidden somewhere, I don't think sending them all in together really helps, just a lot of targets for spears. I'd maybe let the fast units chase a few knights around and lead them into the woods to ambush them

[@SilverforceX]

Dwellers Below is the most potent AoE dmg spell because it its large radius and stationary with high damage over time. Other vortexes such as Flamestorm may be stronger, but it moves around and may miss many enemies. Lore of Life is OP.

[@Ytaccount821]

don't get why they would send in a great stag stack without orion

[@alex_zetsu]

Anyone remember his video where his reinforcements was only a wizard and he called the wizard the MVP for allowing him to turn off control large army? I don't remember the name so I can't find it.

[@datuputi777]

I think they're really strong cavalry it's just having fewer of them with proper banners and what not will do them more justice I can see great stag knights being able to get 300-500 kills this way with little harm done to them because other units is tying down the enemy. You have to remember with melee units the models have to touch to deal damage it's micro intensive but they have good speed even then though I'll only field like 2 of them.

[@luggy9256]

If you’re going to make a weird cavalry doom stack at least do empire demigryph knights, because then he can’t say you should have gone with tree men

[@Scorpion122178]

Lots of Wood Elf doomstacks being evaluated lately lol. Looking forward to the Zoat stack video thats sure to come. Though I disagree with Legend thinking that Treemen is the doomstack. I think the Treestack is situationally better but the Air Force Doom stack is by far more user friendly and less grindy. You focus down enemy missile/flying first then spend the rest of the match shooting optimal targets overhead until you win the BoP. Of course I can't remember off the top of my head if Hawk Riders get the volleys in other factions or if that is a Sisters exclusive. Hawk Riders with out volleys are signifigantly worse but they're still viable. If you're playing Durthu's faction where you can give Treemen even more physical and missile resist then they outclass the airforce plus Durthu himself reduces upkeep for them.

[@acrow5]

Sister's exclusive ability.

[@Zayl1016]

It reminds me of a hippogryph doomstack but without the benefit/main thing that makes hippogryoh knights work: Their ability to fly.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Jesus fuck. The stench of ripe powerful cheese is overbearing !

[@michasokoowski6651]

Do you have a video that shows different battle commands, that aren't shown in the tutorial., like the one you did here: 19:01

[@lordfreezer9550]

its just what happens when you put units into a locked formation group, select the group and tell it to attack

[@michasokoowski6651]

@@lordfreezer9550 Still... video explaining all of these battle commands and how they work, like locked formation, would be incredibly useful

[@lordfreezer9550]

@@michasokoowski6651 look it up in youtube, there is one

[@argreetha]

I also learned some things from legend that i didnt know before, like when u select an army and hold alt, they will keep formation when u move them forward (works without group), and double clicking a spell is overcasting it

[@sokar_rostau]

Themestack. Doomstack>Themestack>Memestack.

[@a.hollins8691]

If he gives this a rating over 2, I'll be surprised. Edit: A six??? It's terrible. It has zero strengths. Stags are the least cost effective unit on the WE roster.

[@jonathaneastman3d]

Yeah I always get rid of the stag knight they give you at the start of the Sisters campaign... if I keep them I hide them in the woods until the end of the battle for routing units, otherwise they get torn up worse than any other unit

[@nonyabisness6306]

any battle with stag knights is a disaster battle.

[@IAmebAdger]

Wouldn't go that far, stag knights are quite useful in certain battles. Doomstacking stag knights is stupid though.

[@Khayne]

Assumption is the mother of all f-ups @legendoftotalwar 😀 That heal item would have changed things, at least to a certain extent.

[@szsmcs]

I am quite surprised, I respect legend's abilities, this was though in my opinion not well fought. He has not given them space, rushed the attack, without splitting up their forces sufficiently.

[@varisugocsay1152]

Yes, the whole cavalry sthreng even in this game that you are fast so you can basicly take out one by one enemy units with superios numbers. Though he said that a good doom stack is where you can use it easily.

[@Cervando]

He should have cycled charge far more, rather than leaving them in a blob.

[@szsmcs]

@@Cervando Yes, I think he could not cycle partially because the lack of space, and because he was focusing on creating an opportunity for the wizard. I wonder that without the wizard the result might have been about the same.

[@Cervando]

@@szsmcs I suspect it was because he focused on the wizard too much mainly. The Great Stags are glass canons, with a huge charge bonus and speed that optimizes them for cycle charges. Blobbing them was the worst possible tactic for using them.

[@argreetha]

I think he really didnt feel like it, he even sounded a bit annoyed

[@sim.frischh9781]

So this is a "Rate my Disaster Doom Stack"?

[@hoppy6437]

My biggest problem with cavalry doomstacks is they tend to require so much micro

[@joshuacollins9346]

How do you cheese the WoM as Drycha? No access to knowledgeable heroes or lords right?

[@kylecanavan7967]

Ahh, the god ole days of Takeda Cav doomstacks EDIT: HE PAINTED! I asked on the livestream last, I've never seen him do it!

[@catsndogs98]

There are never vampire coast doom stacks though

[@THENemesisXX99]

It be a doomstack if the guy used Orion with the horn

[@LegendofTotalWar]

I'd have probably given that army 6.5/10

[@shirtlessviking9225]

what if i gave you an empire knights doomstack? or a lumiarch doomstack?

[@numrut96]

Only Bretonnians are allowed to use full cavalry spam. At least, they can greatly improve their effectiveness. For other races, the cavalry's only purpose is to kill archers.

[@IAmebAdger]

Cav can be linebreakers with good support, like mixing Zoats and Stag knights really boosts the knights, as they get crazy armour bonus and heals for sustain whenever they charge in with their massive charge bonus.

[@bufan7177]

So is it a good idea to finally introduce unit cap in an army for both ai and player?

[@anlcagan8037]

Blackguard of Nagarrond need perfect charge defence

[@LordBeff]

So what's the point of the Forge of Daith if you get the same items (eg dreaming ring) as another faction anyway? Just the upgrade?

[@IAmebAdger]

Once you've collected all the items, you can go for the Arahan option to get mega steroids on your items, and Daith will start pumping out faction-wide buffs, I always go for the damage one, but the siege hammer one sounds fun.

[@성가신-e4q]

How do they go charge to each enemy at 19:07

[@ajitae1460]

control group locked formation

[@numrut96]

Put units in a group. Lock the group and charge to the enemy. Each unit in the group will attack closest enemy unit.

[@timur22993]

Legend, I was curious, in Medieval II on hardest difficulty is it normal to end up at war with 7 factions simultaneously? Or did I screw up diplomacy big time? I am trying to make alliances with people, then try to maintain relationship with them at good or higher, but they constantly betray me for apparently no reason. Even factions that technically shouldn't even look at my territories as a potential grab are attacking me.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

its normal. diplomacy is meaningless in M2.

[@timur22993]

@@LegendofTotalWar Thank you, guess I'll just kill them then.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

@@timur22993 thats what I do and it works for me. good luck with it!

[@timur22993]

@@LegendofTotalWar I just wanted to be a nice guy for once, but apparently wrong place.

[@Shero1337]

It wouldn't be that bad if it was cheaper, but being the same price as treemen is insane.

[@echoes222]

makes me wonder, which one would be better? This, or similar Empire army with Demigryph riders?

[@alsob1062]

Demis should do better, they have more armor and they arent designed as a pure shock cavalary unit. But I dont think that they are a great unit for that purpose, especially after the mass changes. Huntsmen and steamtanks are the best units for the empire to form a fulll stack, at least in my opinion.

[@RichyRich2607]

Both suck

[@alsob1062]

@@RichyRich2607 I know, but its the best unit the empire has to build a full stack. the other option would be an artillery spam, I dont consider that as a doomstack.

[@a.hollins8691]

I kind of hate how cav is completely useless in WH. I can't remember the last time I recruited a cav unit that wasn't a RoR or Outriders.

[@alphajackal6648]

So much clicking. It's like i'm really watching starcraft. My APM will never be so high.

[@jomix7]

Legend I’ve run into some trouble with my Bloated Corpse doomstack when I tried to take out the entire chaos invasion in one turn like you did. I will have to send you it but could you please not get any units killed as I can’t afford more bloated corpses

[@darkrite9000]

I really want for someone to think you're being serious here, cause it'd be funny. Also it's easy just use cheats to keep the bloated corpses from dying, all you need is to make it so they have 100x the hp and you're good to go.

[@FredericoASousa]

I had such huge de-ja-vu with this battle... for some reason

[@jacawandersmok9043]

Fasback from total war medieval 2 Cavalery

[@ОстапБендер-ц7ю]

It looks like medieval 2

[@alexh3972]

can you make 20 bloated corpse doomstack work?

[@KamikazKid]

yeah, count noctilus on necrofex + bloated corpses just hide the bloated corpses until they crowd around noctilus then begin the jihad.

[@thorfax0959]

I thought the point of rate my doomstack was to use the doomstack in a user friendly way (eg. charge right at the enemy)? Every other doomstack you've used like that but this one you've treated more as a disaster battle?

[@tomasbukvald1278]

Using proper cav fight tactics < mass charging like if it were peasants xD

[@minhquanphung9641]

again... poor you legend

[@b3nt3n15]

What do you think about Zoats?

[@DhonJoe]

Pretty sure he said during a stream that they were alright, you aught to stop by on the next one and ask him then.

[@IAmebAdger]

Zoats are the Stag knight's best friends. Stag knights just need massive armour and some heals to break enemy lines without suffering too much. Zoats provide both.

[@MrBabassrun]

best intro ever

[@winterh46334]

Its sad that cav is so bad because there are few things that are more satifieing than a propper heavy cav charge.

[@honorguard7616]

Only bad on higher difficulties

[@Joust149]

It's cheese to lean in to your faction's biggest strength?

[@jonathaneastman3d]

...its aint the stag knights, its treemen and archers

[@tonyfranksland428]

Jacky Fish make a video about the Great Stag he think this is a doomstack for fun

[@이가람-s3w]

Hawk riders when playing sisters is the worst doomstack.... For your enemies.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

I wish i could have a gorebull doomstack led by a doombull!!! So legend how do rate this?

[@darkrite9000]

Sadly the only way you're getting that right now is by using mixu's legendary lords. That aside, I do believe the next dlc should be beastmen, I hope we get Taurox as the lord for that, I'd like to have a giant brass ever rampaging monster of a bull murdering everyone. I'd also like for Chaos and beastmen to not suck, poor Morghur keeps dying to the littlest damn things.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

@@darkrite9000 Yeah right now its not a total war its elves vs skaven every other race is shit compare to their super silly OP roster and mechanics

[@darkrite9000]

@@alirezarezaei2976 I mean in terms of roster and mechanics maybe. Though lizards are a royal pain especially early game with rite of primeval glory, and then there's the fact the AI can get full stacks of blessed units which tend to hurt a lot. We got black arks from dark elves which have pretty painful abilities, though you don't need to deal with them much early on or if inland by a fair bit. Dwarfs and Empire from the old world are still troublesome because of the buffs to auto they have, and hellstorm rocket battery puts any infantry in the dirt. In terms of artillery high elves and dark elves don't have very good options, though both of them have ways to make up for it. High elves have a bunch of dragons, good archers, knights of tor gavol. If I had to really say what factions are screwed it'd be beastmen, chaos, norsca, and wood elves. As for the rest continuing in order, greenskins and tomb kings shortly after them. Vampire coast and counts, and then maybe Bretonnia, then Empire, lizards, Dwarfs, Dark Elves, Skaven, High Elves. The biggest gap being between Greenskins and tomb kings, and then Vampires. With another smaller gap appearing between Bretonnia and Empire. I say this because from my own experiences Greenskins still lose to Dwarfs roughly 5 or 6 times out of 10. But even when they win they shortly die to Skaven almost all the times that occurs. Empire most times crushes Vamp counts, but about a third of the time I see Vampires do well and win against them, at least until the Dwarfs come knocking. Wood Elves end up dying off late game, or even mid game. Norsca is always bretonnia's punching bag, or Empire's, sometimes the Dark Elves come for the fun. Between High Elves and Dark Elves, high elves win a little more than half the time, if not outright then when chaos shows up at Malekith's rear. When Dark Elves do actually win against high elves, and don't get their homeland ravaged by chaos, they then end up in a stalemate with Dwarfs and Empire (cause I've not seen a time where High elves lost along with both Dwarfs and Empire). As for Skaven it depends on if Greenskins actually beat Dwarfs, if so Skaven then fights the Empire and either dies or completely destroys them and fights High elves. If the Dwarfs didn't lose to Greenskins then either Skaven loses, or manages to win when Clan Mors and Moulder dog pile them, assuming Empire got killed off. Or we get the real odd one where Snikch or Queek allies the Dwarfs.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

@@darkrite9000 Not maybe its for sure my friend Just take a look at what toys these two super OP faction have to play with and compare it with what a faction like beastmen and chaos and greenskins and bretonnia can muster and you'll see why these two faction are super OP as hell!!!! Skaven with those weapons teams of doom and with the current patch being able to withdraw from a settlement and recapture at level 5!!!! and army of monsters and at the other hand we have the mother of cheats and buffs the high elves!!! Just looking at what high elves received from the warden and paunch dlc and compare it to what greenskins got(though the dlc was supposed to give GS more favor but!!!) HE got a new hero and GS got two Lore master of hoeth for HE and black orc big boss and river troll hag for the GS Now just take a look at them and you'll see the LMH can easily beat both BOBB and RTH in both magic and melee and he is as OP as hell i dare to say he is even able to take down beastmen gorebull and souros scar vet on carnasour as well in late game with all points spend on its abilities And LMH is only a small portion of what the HE gained from that dlc there is still arcane phoenix and new magic classes and mage lords with early arcane conduit and don't need to mention their super silly OP lords and heroes traits Their lords has the best traits in all directions and has access to best perks and equipment now please tell me am i wrong when i say this faction is as OP as hell? Before the warden and the paunch dlc bretonnia has a somehow good stack(hyppos)but after that dlc high elves even stole that too and they got even better version of it!! I played as bretonnia after that dlc and after a while before chaos invasion i went to war against HE and believe me you have nothing against HE as bretonnia absolutely nothing!!! They have the best counter to what you can put to the table and heck they could do it even before that damned dlc but now? This game with current settings is a wank fest for HE and skaven and nothing more

[@darkrite9000]

@@alirezarezaei2976 Well, except that High elves don't have better artillery than most other factions, Dwarfs, Empire, and Vamp Coast have the best artillery, Tomb Kings, and Lizards follow behind a bit, then you got several others, then at the bottom we have Chaos, Dark Elves, and High Elves. Sisters of Avelorn are comparable to Waywatchers and Shades, just that Sisters are the weakest at range, but best in melee, with Shades being moderate for both, and Waywatchers being best at range and weakest in melee. If you play Nagarythe, then Shadow Walkers are about the same as Sisters for effectiveness, and then for Eltharion's faction, his are again about the same, the Sentinels will depend on how exactly you've built the army, if you've built it the most optimally, then they might be able to be considered the best archer unit in the game. For monsters, Dragons are really good, and High elves do get a lot of them, and can certainly afford them. Though Necrosphinx spam is rather comparable in terms of effectiveness, same with Shaggoth spam, and several others, though any of the factions with life magic can make their stack go a bit further. I won't argue that beastmen and chaos have no real way of competing with most any other faction, wood elves have strong armies but they're limited in how many you can actually afford, and then there's the fact you need to likely go to war with most of the order tide. Greenskins are really strong for early game, but not so much late game, though they have better chances than the other low tier factions. Norsca is in kinda the same boat as wood elves, mammoth spam is pretty strong, but it's expensive and Norscan eco is weak. Dark Elves have the 2nd best eco in the game behind High Elves, Skaven are 3rd but the gap between 2nd and 3rd place is noticeable. They have black dragons which are only really beat by star dragons, and comparable to moon dragons. As I mentioned earlier shades are rather good, and their other units are pretty good as well. I'd say the only real concern is the Knights of Tor Gavol, as I am finding a hard time thinking of a counter to that aside from pure grade A cheese. The loremasters I'm not as concerned about, sure they're tough, but I think Vampire hero stack can sort it out, especially under Isabella. As well as potentially certain monster spam stacks. For Skaven weapon's teams can be very unreliable depending on terrain, and they're very vulnerable to monster armies, like lizard's dinos. Empire can also somewhat deal with it due to hellstorm rockets being longer range. Though that is with the side note that you need to watch out for menace bellow. Their monsters are certainly strong, but not as strong as other monsters, like Shaggoths or Necrosphinx. Shaggoths can't heal though so they might be able to manage there. They are however faster than both Shaggoths and Necrosphinx, which is good for them. I will say that High Elves and Skaven have the largest and most versatile unit rosters in the game. Letting you basically use whatever playstyle you want without much issue. And I won't argue that their units are certainly strong, and other factions don't have as many bonuses. Sure black arks can easily use their abilities to quickly make short work of most standard High elf or Skaven stacks, but those aren't always available, namely far inland. But unit roster and mechanics are only a part of overall campaign effectiveness. Sure both factions have strong eco capability, and are fairly decent or strong in auto-resolve. But you know who's stronger in auto, the Dwarfs, and I usually see the Dwarfs more often than anything else. I don't see many campaigns where High elves and Dwarfs are fighting so it's hard to truly gauge the general tide of things. But as I mentioned before, based on my own experience, I've made note of how things tend to go for factions depending on situations. I don't personally own warden and the paunch dlc, so I can only go off of what I've seen in livestreams, and experienced for myself. Namely in fighting them for whenever I actually need to fight Eltharion. But as annoying as the Order tide can be I manage it just fine. Because no AI, cheats, powerful roster, or otherwise, is able to beat me. Yes I have a fairly big ego, but Total war AI isn't exactly very smart. So I'd only be truly concerned when playing against another player who's at least decent. Which I do often play against a friend of mine. We're fairly equal in terms of battle strategy, but I have the upper hand due to my campaign strategy being better.

[@alexandrasbirutis3173]

skavenslave doomstack

[@dangerousideas3881]

The reason I don't hire Knowledgeable lords (well, I do hire them but not as much as I should) is because the game becomes very attention taxing once you get a big enough empire. Its pretty easy to be on top of stuff when you are just starting out but then you need to keep tabs on multiple armies, skills, artifacts, settlements and you rarely find yourself getting more energy as an evening goes by. Its also the reason why I tend to autoresolve battles that I really should be fighting.

[@whzpoor]

Doomstacks shouldn't be so micro intensive. The more lazy they allow you to be the better!

[@FreeSpirit985]

DoomED stack

[@thatonewolfguy]

Doomstag

[@BBPOWER1986]

i will give 6.5 as well -----out of 100

[@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208]

Legend, have you seen Okoii's last Livestream? He lost to Tretch 5 times! (It was as Throgg but Still)

[@futonrevolution7671]

How on earth did he manage to do that? Sounds a bit too painful for me to watch.

[@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208]

@@futonrevolution7671 he had the random starting positions mod, started in Kislev, Tretch was like 1cm from him, so he got a bit cocky and thought he would beat him. He lost, and then Tretch conquered most of his territory

[@ШамильХананов-и2к]

Can we see Drycha in the next your game?

[@hohenheim1403]

I mean any more anti large focused enemy army will cost this doomstack even more of its stags you know what i mean ;DDD

[@IAmebAdger]

The problem isn't anti-large, the problem is monsters and heros and flying units.

[@hohenheim1403]

@@IAmebAdger pls laugh at my joke.

[@IAmebAdger]

@@hohenheim1403 Srry, I don't get it, can you explain your joke :(

[@hohenheim1403]

@@IAmebAdger ah sorry, well its a doom"stack" but just replace stack with stag and you got a doomstag :DD dont beat me please

[@IAmebAdger]

@@hohenheim1403 ah ok, I sort of get it now

[@Cl.M]

@Legend with all due respect, I think the point of that doomstack was to make a massive charge, use the horn for charge bonus to win the trade, desengage with life magic and repeat all over again. Blitz kind of gameplay. Felt you went full chalk here, cheesemaster ! Love you.

[@jeice13]

Yeah, hes using cavalry like infantry or monsters here

[@honorguard7616]

So AI cheats w ise ,I kinda hope they rework the AI to be better and reduce the cheats so more than magic and range is good (Generally)

[@aaronrichards6163]

More like "rate my doom wizard".

[@Honyakusha]

They're majestic as f*ck, charging enemies again because one man left behind. Why i hear Sabaton's music all of sudden i wonder...

[@lucasbeck1391]

WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED

[@andrzejalf82]

Yes yes ratting

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

Cavalry just sucks in this game. I never use them

[@chillinnn11]

"Grail knight doom stack is quite arguably the best doom stack in the game." why dont you rate it.

[@IAmebAdger]

He will if you send him a save file with grail knight doom stack in it. This series is called "rate my (the viewer's) doom stack", not "rate legend's doomstacks"

[@senshibat8920]

micro ponies. .a 2 for

[@horrocko]

It's not a doom stack. It's a doom stag.

[@Nightstrid]

Great stag, not that great

[@roguegargoyle914]

By the time I post "First" I won't be. I don't think I've ever watched a video on KZbin with 0 Likes 0 Dislikes and 0 comments

[@ftayl5]

Zoat doomstack is way better.

[@Prushinthespirit]

Introducing: LoTW channel aka The guy who can make ANY gameplay look boring as FUCK!

[@gustafmannerheim9720]

All cavalry are crap, with no exception. The only reason to ever use them is to stop enemy large units charging.

[@steffennilsen2132]

They honestly do their job as support on normal difficulty, flanks will fall when they are employed correctly and unsupported ranged dies. It's just that legendary difficulty completely destroys their efficiency as they rely on crushing enemy morale on the charge, Bretonnian peasant archers could take a rear charge from Empire knights and hold, good luck ever breaking any dwarf unit

[@kroxigordundee7767]

Laughs in Bretonnia (in term of cost effectiveness nothing beats free knights)

[@sourcedirect769]

Not everyone uses very hard battle difficulty bro. not everyone wants archers to not break after a cav rear charge

[@cristianstan8310]

boring cheese...unsubscribing after quite a bit of time. appreciate the content so far but enough is enough