Correction: The Pistons employed the Jordan Rules in the late 90's. They did that in the mid-to-late 80's.
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Oh gosh! I totally meant to say late 80s - thank you
@bbq-n-football_fan18 күн бұрын
The Jordan rules were a defensive strategy effectively employed by the Pistons in the 88, 89 & 90 season. The rules were basically to force Michael left, double from various angles with size and everytime he came into the paint or went by you on a drive or screen, hit him hard. By 1991 with the improved play of his Bull teammates and his emerging trust in Coach Jackson and the triangle offense, the rules were no longer a deciding factor.
@Grace-zz5dd4 ай бұрын
I never understood the triangle. You explained it very well
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ralph.aguinaldomd3 ай бұрын
As great as Jordan was individually, the Triangle is a huge reason he became the GOAT. 🐐
@02REESEАй бұрын
No it wasn't. He didn't play out of it when he was player of the year in college, not when he beat NBA all star squads on the way to leading USA to his first gold medal and all the way up to 1989 of his pro career. He was considered the best player ever before Phil Jackson became his coach. As a matter of fact it was implemented with his exceptional skill set in mind. Not just anyone can operate out of it. That's why that warriors don't run it completely, Scottie couldn't complete the task in Jordan's absence and Kobe needed above average big men.
@TazthepitRIPАй бұрын
If that's the case we would see Jordan like replication AND WE HAVE NOT. Kobe was close but he was still a knock off and imo will be the closest thing to ever replicate that mans dominant game. Jordan was levels above anyone on the court both his IQ and skill level. LeBron has the IQ but his skill set is NOWHERE near as deep as MJs is. LeBron is a very one dimensional player who has relied on his athleticism plus his size
@t.r.o.y.therighteousobeysy8358Ай бұрын
Facts
@t.r.o.y.therighteousobeysy8358Ай бұрын
Facts
@kray974 ай бұрын
The Triangle was such an elegant system to watch.
@friendlymorgan85994 ай бұрын
Jordan‘s speed and his jumping height is unbelievable
@ThePrufessaАй бұрын
The exceptionally high vertical translates to horizontal explosiveness. It only makes sense that the player with the highest vertical was also the fastest and quickest (two different things) player as well.
@TazthepitRIPАй бұрын
His vertical was 40" coming out of college which was an NBA record for a very long time
@hubes964 ай бұрын
The Triangle offense also made it much easier to understand what you were watching as Jr. high kid. You knew what you were watching and the options available to know where and what to watch for. Someone else said it was elegant offense to watch! A very true statement in deed!
@ap74986 күн бұрын
The triangle ran efficiently with good players is a thing of beauty
@jxn234 ай бұрын
I really miss this style of basketball. It was so much better to watch than one guy dribbling the ball 30 times and then jacking up a horrible 3 pointer
@jonbill13334 ай бұрын
Triangle stopped working when the NBA got rid of illegal defense
@timmyg8314 ай бұрын
I remember watching Harden do that iso ball in Houston and teammates just standing around and then he’d just throw up a 3. Over and over again. I stopped watching
@jayrod06034 ай бұрын
Did you see 2024 all star game. Pathetic
@laurenceroberttampushalpin1833 ай бұрын
That's the modern basketball 😂
@festusaniemeka33503 ай бұрын
Mike use to do that till he played in a system so ur point is moot all pure scorers do that
@ThePrufessaАй бұрын
So far this is the best video explaining the triangle I've ever seen.
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@jamesbrickner51593 ай бұрын
Implemented by Phil Jackson, and his assistant Tex Winter ( the man who invented it)
@jetscapo9737Ай бұрын
Jordan the best midrange and post play lb for lb the NBA has ever seen. Guy was a fckn machine.
@MFA16Ай бұрын
Great job breaking down the triangle! Fun and informative
@a.k.4486Ай бұрын
If God was once disguised in Michael Jordan then the Triangle ultimately was the Holy Trinity in disguise 😄
@ModernMan23Ай бұрын
Well done! Used to watch every televised Bulls game in the 90's as a kid. Triangle offense was a well oiled machine
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
Thank you!
@Ola-rb7rz13 күн бұрын
Such a clear description! Thanks a lot
@user-ff1ez5sy5h4 ай бұрын
good stuff. i enjoyed the analysis and examples. good info for fans, hoopers, scouts and coaches alike. a solid offense. and like all solid offenses (and there are quite a few) it systemizes floor spacing, ball movement and player movement. and has multiple options for players to read in all 3 of these areas. for example, sometimes the spacing will be more spread (and balanced). and sometimes overloaded (clearout). you can see why you only need 2 creative scorers on the floor at any time. and 1 will actually suffice. and more than 2 can actually be problematic unless the additional creative scorers can stay disciplined within the system and give scoring opportunities time to unfold. a winning offensive basketball system will have spacing, ball movement and player movement guidelines. and at minimum 2 actions/options for any given situation. but heady, experienced players will find way more than 2. finally. any solid offensive system will be built on some fundamental tenets. 1) cutting towards the ball 2) backdoor cuts 3) ball screens 4) offball screens 5) purposeful dribbling.
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Thank you! And awesome comment - specifically your point on overloading towards one side of the floor can be a great counter to zone defenses
@jonbill13334 ай бұрын
The issue with the triangle not working in the current NBA is the removal of illegal defense
@roger_rivas27 күн бұрын
Dude! This vid is great. Thee best breakdown of the triangle. Love the Phil Jackson voice sound bites!
@pjpj26394 ай бұрын
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.
@sbeallvln3 ай бұрын
In the late 80s, not 90s.
@TazthepitRIPАй бұрын
Don't understand what you're saying here but the triangle wasn't implemented with the bulls until like 89 or 90
@sbeallvlnАй бұрын
He mistakenly said that Detroit implemented the Jordan Rules in the late 90s.
@sevendubbz1603 ай бұрын
Icy 🥶 Mike!!!
@MD-5843 ай бұрын
Great video bro 💯
@rawfilmbasketball3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@PrinceCity0074 ай бұрын
Good stuff man
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Blueblackngold3 ай бұрын
Holy crap he has a voice. This is tremendous
@5stardetailingllc4712 ай бұрын
It was not the late 90’s when the Piston’s were giving the Bulls problems. It was the late 80’s.
@coreyamerson2926Ай бұрын
Awesome vid bro
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
Thank you!
@wingman-19773 ай бұрын
Great content. Auto like.
@rawfilmbasketball2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@iwishiwasthomasshelby3 ай бұрын
Love your technical videos. Can you do one explaining what exactly Doc Rivers is doing in terms of offense? The players say he doesn't coach and tells them to coach themselves. Can you please break down why he is so bumbling so people can understand? Thanks.
@TheOrthodoxMoorАй бұрын
Great breakdown
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
Thank you!
@huckfin15983 ай бұрын
Great video
@rawfilmbasketball3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@9kevtorres3 ай бұрын
this is a great video. are there breakdown drills for implementing this offense?
@TazthepitRIPАй бұрын
Yes they shouldn't be hard to find the triangle was a very big topic of discussion and I know a ridiculous amount of hours have been committed to studying it and seeing how to try and effectively stop it. This was really effective when ran by Phil other have tried and ame nowhere near the success Phil was able to obtain with it
@tonyandrade785912 күн бұрын
Those fadeAway shoots are difficult to make MJ was a genius
@keithbradley11974 ай бұрын
Dennis rodman explained the triangle offense as well as anyone
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Very true
@alfredmayes50053 ай бұрын
What’s interesting is that given the tremendous success of this style offense, why is no team running it today? Hmm…let me guess, the proliferation of the 3pt shot, which is ruining basketball.
@rawfilmbasketball3 ай бұрын
A lot of triangle concepts are still used today, it’s just that the entire system isn’t used anymore. But yes, with post ups being viewed as less efficient, and the Triangle being a post heavy offense, that probably plays into it a lot
@alanoranday44483 ай бұрын
I'd been debating the same for awhile. I used to think the game was being ruined by such a tactic. The truth of the matter, having played basketball in multiple eras, proliferation also means 'more skilled at'. Just like the 80s saw the rise of dominant big men, the 90s the dominant scoring wing, 00s the the ball dominant PG, 2010s had the emergence of the stretch 4 or and 5 than the 'D and 3' specialist, this game is ever-evolving. 'Ruined' is too harsh a term.
@robertbloom4424Ай бұрын
The Nuggets basically run a variation of this offense with a little more pick and roll when Murray is hot.
@jmsflora2793 ай бұрын
5:28: Kerr gets demolished by Karl Malone, what a pick by Kerr. Wow
@ThePrufessaАй бұрын
Yeah I saw that too but the freeze frame also made it more noticeable. But I've noticed it just from watching highlights over the years. In the finals you lay it all on the line for your squad.
@adamlauer10969 күн бұрын
I think Phil was Tex's assistant
@angelopayne58282 ай бұрын
Really ❤
@terrenceliburd86552 күн бұрын
I wonder why all the coaches other coaches other than Phil Jackson who were involved in the triangle failed miserably doing so?
@rawfilmbasketball14 сағат бұрын
Complicated system. The continuity in the league was greater back then, and Jackson/Winter were committed to this system.
@hakimsalaam54892 ай бұрын
Great breakdown of the triangle offense
@Lalambz4 ай бұрын
steve kerr was dawwwg for that screen 5:28
@rawfilmbasketball3 ай бұрын
lol yes
@tyharris9994Ай бұрын
Thank you! I am going to go into your other videos and see of you explain what Denver is doing play and set-wise these days. It seems like Joker is playing opponents like a fiddle and I am wondering how much of it is his own creativity and how much is scripted.
@TazthepitRIPАй бұрын
It's scripted it's very easy to tell. The coach saw a lack of real big men and went and found one that's highly athletic for his size and he used it to pick modern defenses apart cuz there set up to stop a different style of play. Minnesota and the Jordan like young star Anthony Edwards shut that whole shit down though, he was a fresh sight with that crazy defense and the NBA hasn't had a dominant 2 way player for years
@ronm303423 күн бұрын
Does any team play this? I think the Celtics and Timberwolves have the roster to play this the best
@JetEngine854 ай бұрын
Who are the other superstars other Jordan and Kobe who made the triangle work?
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Not Carmelo
@barryallen8713 ай бұрын
Shaq
@shaughnziech219320 күн бұрын
Late 90’s was not the time of it, the Jordan Rules were simple, mugging that was legal, in 1991, Phil asked MJ who is open, he replied Paxon, he made several in a row, title
@GoWarriors26 күн бұрын
The bulls strategy was very clear. Give it to Michael and get out of the way
@pali_aha11 күн бұрын
😂 not true. Look at the Mavs against the Celtics in the NBA finals. It's Luka Ball. How boring and predictable
@sinvalalvesdossantosalvesd70413 ай бұрын
🦁🦁😃😃
@buddastud553416 күн бұрын
The hick from French lick passed the top player ball onto Michael. The ball has not been passed since
@taelabaho2 ай бұрын
And then rodman is waiting for the offensive rebound
@mytimemanagement279626 күн бұрын
#MagicDaGOAT #2 Bird ##3 Jordan
@rankoorovic79044 ай бұрын
Bit of an overrated system because it work in Chicago with Jordan and in LA with Shaq and Kobe so was it the system or personnel?
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
I give credit to both. Great system and great players
@RepentOrPerishL1333 ай бұрын
Yeah, and they all lost before they switched to the triangle. Jordan and Scottie were losing together in a different system, as were Shaq and Kobe in LA. That's when they brought in Phil. However, I don't understand why we like to reduce everything to an overly simplified answer. It's often more complicated than that. That system was tried in other places, I think in New York, and failed. Phil wasn't the coach. He was in the front office. So two things can be true - the system and the players. Also, Phil didn't run the offense that was primarily Tex Winters.
@rankoorovic79043 ай бұрын
@@RepentOrPerishL133 Besides the Bulls with MJ and Lakers with Shaq and Kobe name another team that has won with the Triangle? It's not all one single answer that is true but the Triangle was heralded as the greatest offensive system of all time and except in those 2 cases it doesn't have anything to show for So it's fair in my opinion to ask is it the system or personnel to make it happen
@kikimbrown3 ай бұрын
The system probably works best with players like MJ and Kobe
@sportschadАй бұрын
The triangle offense or any system that requires a lot of player movement, works best for players who can move without the ball especially for your wing players and guards must know how to flare, cut, and pop and have reliable catch-and-shoot mid-range or catch-and-shoot close range, know how and where to set screens, pinch post. It demands movement. Players like MJ, Bird, Reggie Miller, Jokic, Steph Curry, Rip Hamilton, Kobe (borederline calibrated for isolation play but still have an active off-ball) will benefit from this offense. These players have somewhat active to very active off-ball games and all of them know how to do the specific positioning and scoring techniques mentioned, actively and consistently. These players don't need the ball most of the time to be effective on offense. Effectiveness is mutual. Players like those mentioned would benefit from the triangle offense, and the triangle offense would benefit from players like those mentioned, vice-versa. However, players like LeBron, Luka, Harden, Durant (barely), who doesn't seem to or have never exhibited to have a very active off-ball game or the extent of their "off-ball" game is mostly just standing near the top of the key and cutting in, no actual activity, and/or needs the ball at all times in order to have a significant effect on offense, or are solely reliant on isolation plays. The triangle offense would not work well with these type of players. They would need a complementary player that does have an active off-ball game to generate movement in order to use the triangle offense. The triangle offense would most likely be ineffective if it was ran by players like those mentioned in this paragraph.
@TheULMOnaut2 ай бұрын
0:45 "as it involved giving the ball to his teammates", as if jordan did not give the ball ever to his teammates. People did not watch Jordan in the 80s, when they claim he did not share the ball. Go and watch game 6 ECF 1989.
@livelife4228TBAS2 ай бұрын
You mean the late 80's?
@rawfilmbasketball2 ай бұрын
Yes
@knathanknathan20 күн бұрын
The triangle offense made Jordan a better team player. Without it he would have gotten his scoring. That means he would had broken the scoring title way earlier not caring about winning
@nykareem20012 ай бұрын
Do a video breaking down scottie pippens role in the offense
@5stardetailingllc4712 ай бұрын
He was a point forward, which is the same as a PG. it’s that simple.
@alialdulaimi66232 ай бұрын
In the late 80s not 90s homey
@andreadiw869413 күн бұрын
Why Knicks failed?
@randysandberg56154 ай бұрын
As one NBA player said, "I'd like to see that triangle crap played by the Clippers". This was when the Clippers were really bad. The triangle offense would work still but the 3 point offense would win every time. Things change.
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
Yes the NBA is a constantly evolving thing, and the triangle is much less viable now due to players moving from team to team more often. It was a difficult system to learn
@philb.15024 ай бұрын
Jordan is the reason the Bulls won 6 championships. The triangle didn't matter. The Bulls could have run different offensive sets and still won.
@rawfilmbasketball4 ай бұрын
That may or may not be true, but he didn’t win any championships before the triangle
@philb.15024 ай бұрын
@@rawfilmbasketball Jordan is the greatest player of all time. He would have excelled in any offensive system. The Bulls won 6 championships because they had the best player to ever play!
@jnewman13926 күн бұрын
* OVER RATED PLAYER * you meant
@fmsdjcrzy3 ай бұрын
Ehhh, im a jordan fan! HE IS THE GOAT.. but what triangle offense? Its jordans offense 😂
@glight23Ай бұрын
Lost me at 0:25. “In the late 90’s.” That’s incorrect. Have to do better than that young man. It was the late 80’s. C’mon man.
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
Yes someone earlier in the comments corrected my mistake. Meant to say 80s
@pjpj26394 ай бұрын
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.
@kenanthony12022 ай бұрын
The main benefit of the triangle was that it got the ball to Jordan in different places on the offensive end. So it enabled them to utilize Jordan in a more efficient way. Other than that I don’t think it was that innovative. I believe Isaiah Thomas pointed this out while broadcasting a game.
@rawfilmbasketballАй бұрын
A lot of counters to get MJ good post position regardless of the defense trying to deny it