Ray Allen: Why Michael Jordan Is Still NBA's G.O.A.T. over LeBron | The Dan Patrick Show | 9/11/18

Ray Allen tells Dan Patrick that LeBron James is great and up there on the all-time list, but Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all-time.

[@MrDanielWP]

People need to remember, Allen played against Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron. (Then he played with LeBron.) He has a great perspective.

[@bradlewis6514]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[@bradlewis6514]

Ray Allen isn't just somebody offering up his opinion! What he says carries legitimacy!

[@itsdouglasjohnson]

@@bradlewis6514 only a handful of guys can give that too

[@jaccbolton]

Ray allen bailed the heat out with that 3. Ray allen carried lebron 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nba_fan7214]

Ray was also a great great player who went toe to toe against those guys, not just some bench warmer.

[@user-xm6ro1ep5d]

Not even the players that played with Lebron say he’s the GOAT

[@imsljr420]

then again pippen who helped Jordan and the Bulls win 6 championships said "but I may go as far as to say that lebron James may be the greatest player we have ever seen ".

[@imsljr420]

@@user-xm6ro1ep5d kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3K5ZGWwbbSrebs

[@Cain353]

@@imsljr420 That was in 2011.... What has Pippen said recently? Jordan is the GOAT. If LeBron hadn't gotten swept, hadn't gotten a mental breakdown and didn't switch teams every time he feels like it maybe Pippen wouldn't have changed his mind. But he did, so...

[@imsljr420]

@@Cain353 pippen "changed" his mind the following season when lebron was still with the heat. and the reason he "changed " his mind was because he received so much backlash for simply giving his opinion. so he back tracked and said "I never said lebron was the greatest, that was never said" but video evidence shows he did.

[@imsljr420]

@@Cain353 here's the video to pippen changing his mind only one year later : kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-ZimB6rq2grNU the host even says "you took a lot of flak for that" which is why I believe pippen changed his mind.

[@Azautographsandcollectibles]

"Two separate 3 peats...MVP in all 6...that will never be duplicated" - Jalen Rose

[@missybeau153]

Actually 5 mvps... Malone won mvp in 97

[@borjabauer2400]

@@missybeau153 finals mvp

[@abnerowenbersamin6637]

Finals mvps

[@nawaf7194]

@@missybeau153 and mj made sure to include him in the highlights before he wrapped it up

[@ferdinandbautista5788]

Agree. No one can beat that 6-0 .

[@alexanderobenza2209]

Ray is more credible than the interviewer. Jordan scored 63 points in a playoffs game against the great Celtics team!!!

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

Yep against bird .. snd even bird said thst day Mj is like a god

[@Sean360Lennox]

But who won.... Nobody remembers when you lose we only recognize winners. And Bird n friends won. Let's not forget.

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

@@Sean360Lennox when you score 63 points against Larry Bird nobody forgets!and Larry bird that game said mj is the god of basketball i have never seen anything like that..when bird says that after the game nobody forgets. Mj was the best player of that game..again nobody forgets...

[@Sean360Lennox]

@@JohnAmaro_Official you're right nobody forgot him losing either... Same as D Book... Nobody forgot that either.

[@Sean360Lennox]

@@JohnAmaro_Official and ppl do forget and ppl don't know to begin with this why u guys got a reminder with a documentary.

[@jayzee316]

Scoring - MJ Clutch - MJ Steals - MJ Defence - MJ (9 all defensive team + DPOY) Rings - MJ MVP - MJ Finals MVP - MJ Free throw - MJ Assists - Lebron Rebounds - Lebron Turnovers - Lebron Everyone seems to say Lebron's bigger/faster/stronger, only bigger is true. He's not faster, and he's not much stronger as Robert Horry, Ron Artest have said. Also this myth of Lebron makes everyone better, go ask Chris bosh and Kevin Love if they got better, no they got reduced to role playing 3 point spot up shooters and scapegoats when Lebron lost. Also no one seems to notice, at the end of the game, refs count POINTS to determine Win or Loss, not rebounds, not assists, not triple doubles, those things don't matter and don't impact the game the way points and scoring does. MJ impacts the game DIRECTLY in the most raw way, lebron wants to impact the game in everyway but forgets him getting a triple double means nothing to winning the game. Let his big man get rebounds, let his point guards get assists, don't be so selfish with stat padding.

[@meg-k-waldren]

Thank you!!!!! That's why Kyrie left. LBJ chokes your game, not improves it. Unlike MJ who turned Kerr into a household name.

[@dalegendcj]

He's bigger and stronger but can't dominate like Mj🐐 not just one conference but the whole league #NoComparison

[@aegistahl1835]

Last statement cannot be any closer to the truth. I've seen people call Lebron the goat just because he does more off the court and wants to be friendly with everyone. I literally lose brain cells everytime. The moment people start factoring that into their argument I know they already lost, cause it meant they ran out of valid ammunition.

[@aaronfaulkner4168]

Johnny Chao 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@LovingTinha]

also Lebron when he gets tired, because of his size and inferior stamina and endurance compared to Jordan he disappears and needs to be benched, but because it's Lebron, people give him a pass. Jordan played through sickness and tiredness unlike anyone else. Lebron will end up with higher stats in the end, but it isn't just about stats. Otherwise Stockton would be considered the best point guard of all time and Bill Russell would be the goat if we went off just titles. But to be the goat, you have to be excellent at everything and transcend eras and not just have favourable circumstances carry you like Russell and Lebron for example, and even to an extent players like Magic and Bird who benefited greatly from playing with greatest teams of their time. Jordan built a team around him completely from the ground up and developed Pippen into a Hall of Famer and helped Rodman end up in the Hall of Fame, when his career was looking like it was done. And Jordan was as close to perfection as you can get in a basketball player, all around. Lebron has too many categories where he just doesn't measure up to Jordan, and this is purely on Basketball abilities, performance, applicable knowledge and mindset, not just stats. If you just go off stats, yeh you would think Lebron is greatest, but then you also have to consider how you go about getting those stats, the culture and rule changes of the sport in that era. Jordan played in toughest two decades of the sport, the 80s and 90s. Lebron plays in arguably the softest and easiest NBA ever. And they still need to team up with at least two other superstars to win titles. He had to join up with two players that were the best players on their own respective teams, twice to win his titles, and he still lost more than he won. I think he is instantly disqualified from the discussion on that alone.

[@producewithjt]

If Ray Allen says you can shoot the 3 ball, you can shoot the 3 ball.

[@deanskingdom8654]

Delicate Beats exactly what I said

[@alanlee67]

When ray Allen says Jordan is better than you, Jordan is better than you.

[@christiano2349]

Fact is no one ever let MJ shoot the 3 ball like they b daring James to shoot it

[@HKashaf]

Ray Allen is no longer the authority on threes

[@quirinogarza7381]

@@HKashaf He didn't say anything about making the 3... MJ 9-52; 3-18; 12-66; 7-53; 10-53... Jordan sucked balls at 3 point makes what is he talking about???

[@TheWolferinDenver]

It's amazing how Jordan has been out of the league for so long and yet Sports Talk shows can still fill up weeks of airtime talking about his heirness. His legend is epic.

[@studydoc]

LeBron: Me GOAT Over 90% of NBA All-stars that played them both: Jordan GOAT all the way by a long shot.

[@brucefranklin6295]

Yeah,the line is long,full of hall of famers that will tell you MJ is the G.O.A.T

[@Th3Passerby]

bronsexuals think they know better

[@EsoTownBizz6500]

Basically..

[@EsoTownBizz6500]

@Michael Rodriguez I literally just watched a video in which there were several players who were asked about this. The overwhelming majority picked MJ..

[@EsoTownBizz6500]

@Michael Rodriguez Damn.. You are right. I misread your comment. I apologise for that

[@johnr8309]

Phil Jackson saying MJ could average 45 every year in today's game says a lot.

[@josefino72]

Right. No defenses, his scoring average would probably be that high.

[@charlesparker4850]

he played in the early 2000's and averaged 23.5 pts per game yes he was older and the players were more athletic in the early 2000's now every dude in the NBA is very athletic Jordan would average about 25 per game tops and would get done every night defensively he was getting done by about 20 players back in the day jr rider, magic, chris Jackson, labradford smith, john hot plate Williamson, clyde Drexler to name a few

[@nelly7788]

@@charlesparker4850 ?? he averages 30 in his CAREER lol

[@cuzheavy4079]

@@charlesparker4850 you must be slow wrong

[@ThatRandomLegend]

Tbh, today's game is like a jumpshot compilation ft. Dunking with Layups

[@andrigowens2726]

Jordan vs LeBron After Lebron's 14th season. Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / Lebron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Two 3-peats 6-0 in the finals Never played a game 7 Jordan's the "ultimate closer" LeBron was just swept 0-4 in the finals

[@christenn32]

But LeBron fans be like "We got them accumlative stats" 😂

[@terrymobrian]

Andri Gowens That is the best breakdown of Jordan’s GOAT proof I have ever read. Beyond words dude. WOW!!!

[@lifeallah3998]

Andri u the GOAT for proving who the GOAT really is.. Lol these Lebroad fans r crazy to ever think Lebroad is better or even close to MJ..

[@donghuynh3555]

Andri Gowens all that typing and only 37 likes lol

[@DANBOY89GYM]

Best comment in the history of the tube, nothing else needs to be said.

[@Uneek1980]

Jordan was built to play the game of basketball. Jordan's I.Q. was off the charts. The man had hang time to where he was able to sit in the air & create his own shot. Jordan was a phenomenal ballplayer. I will say it now & again. Jordan is the greatest basketball player in my era. I never seen anyone play with a skill set like Jordan.

[@flyleaf2184]

IQ = Larry Legend Bird, swept 🧹 Jordan 2 times in the playoffs, clutch as clutch gets Greats of Greats = Wilt Chamberlain, averaged over 50 a game back then etc.

[@ovsog.4979]

Facts!

[@KaiDaMoveMaker]

@@flyleaf2184 bruh how can u say that,man Jordan didn't have one all star on his team like he preety much did it by his self plus did u see the numbers he put like come on now u really can't bring that up

[@ggaccentc]

Bird had the highest bball IQ

[@quirinogarza7381]

@L H Yeah Bird was saying that while Bird was beating MJ... Scored 63 and Lost... Maybe he should have trusted his teammates more...

[@VegaRoseForever]

This guy is something else. Ray knows what he's talking about. Go look up when MJ was a point guard for like 28 games and look at what he averaged about 30 ppg 9 apg and 10 rpg and played defense easily. Look it up. He was getting triple doubles almost nightly!!!

[@juggernaut34]

Mj has only 11 full season as a bull and won 10 scoring titles and 9x alldefense...

[@eazyduzit-tr3nx]

Hitokiri Battousai Crazy, and in those 11 full yrs he won league MVP 5x, 3x coming in second place & 2x in third. Only time he was far off was his rookie yr. Oh and to go along with this he had 6 titles and 6 finals MVP’s, not even mentioning his all-NBA honors and DPOY award.

[@juggernaut34]

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx and 2 of the rings he won as the only allstar on the team..(91 and 98)

[@damianpresha9578]

Funny thing is LeBron not far behind points which tells me there was inferior scorers back then.

[@eazyduzit-tr3nx]

Hitokiri Battousai Yea and MJ haters act like he never won titles with lack of production from his teammates. As you said twice he had no all stars and even in that last 3peat his best sidekick Pippen averaged a combined 17 ppg on 39% shooting in those finals.

[@juggernaut34]

@@damianpresha9578 Le36on took 2 seasons to match Mjs total point idiot....fuckin 2 bronze medals foh

[@kpolart4137]

Jordan's oponents says Jordan is the goat. Lebron's ego says LeBron is the goat.

[@885.0ELopez]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@dax2316]

Naw....muted at best!

[@maritimezhang]

I thought MJ was always in his prime

[@ronalyndelafuente1266]

Facts

[@abythantv1571]

Wahaha... No Lebron please... Mj then Kobe then chamberlain...

[@TUBESTEAKNIG]

This argument needs to die. It's not even close. Why do we still talk about it?

[@abdullahshakir9573]

TUBESTEAKNIG I totally agree with you

[@mensrea1251]

TUBESTEAKNIG Because journalists and ratings...

[@Themayseffect]

It's fun for some people to speculate.

[@Fergus316]

Because LeBron is still playing and we always want to hype what is happening right now. When LeBron stops playing and the history is studied, it’ll be MJ without question. The biggest difference between MJ and LeBron is that when MJ played there was no debate, no question, no doubt who the greatest was. The fact that there is a debate now shows that LeBron ain’t it. If LeBron was the greatest, everyone would know it.

[@aeonokwap]

No y'all are missing the point. We have to see it being talked about because ESPN, because marketing, because money.

[@rdean400]

In my opinion "Is MJ the GOAT?" isn't even a good question. I think MJ transcends that question. It would be more meaningful to discuss where he ranks among the GOATs of all sports.

[@koleon06]

Funny how majority of folks who say Mj is better are Hall of famers... Majority of folks who say Lebron have never played basketball 😂

[@kesterneptune9981]

LOL POINT..

[@knathanknathan]

koleon06 that’s a fair point and one being a football player and we know who that is wink wink he has a girl’s name

[@giannismidoriya9799]

@@knathanknathan shanny?😂

[@74albin]

👍👍👍

[@RepentOrPerishL133]

True! Didn't think about that. Everyone who played them both will tell you Micheal.

[@chitownkidd33]

Dan Patrick trying so hard to justify Lebron being on MJ’s level but Ray is shutting that down.

[@nicolasandres7666]

You can see how uncomfortable he becomes, can't stop moving in his seat, actually inside he was very upset.

[@relaxstaycalm1906]

Dan is a Bronsexual

[@madvillain2675]

@@nicolasandres7666 you're looking way too deep into that

[@n1c98]

Naw, not really. I think he's working in Devil's advocate to see what good information Allen can bring to the table for viewers and Bball fans.

[@bradlewis6514]

As it should be on Ray's part and the fact that Dan Patrick is even trying to create an argument with him tells me that Dan has lost some of his sense of reality! Dan, u need to report back to Earth!

[@WelderWick]

If MJ plays in this era... The opposing team will all have foul troubles.

[@C_mao]

He'd go to the line 30 times a game (:

[@jaideepsingh8233]

they would have trouble scoring on him to man He would b like a more athletic version of kawhi on defense

[@drewfilson6795]

Honestly, the NBA has become a joke in recent years. They had to bring in the "Harden Rule" because James Soften was too easily drawing the cheapest non-fouls, with his lunging into defenders on the perimeter .Jordan would have no problem averaging like 45 ppg on 58% shooting if he was playing in his prime today.

[@jaideepsingh8233]

Drew Filson FACTS let’s not forget his defense too I think he would lock Westbrook Lebron Harden etc up Jordan had all the tangibles big hands that helped him grip the ball and was very athletic He made plays on defense using those He’ll read a pass from a mile away and next thing u kno he’s on a fast break dunking

[@charlesparker4850]

no Jordan would be in foul trouble he could not hand check nor arm bar!!!??

[@gradybridges]

When Doug Collins asked Jordan to play PG for a couple weeks MJ was averaging a triple double 10 in 11 games

[@chrisscott7913]

Ken Boggs true

[@analyticalinsight]

Thats nonsense about MJ passing....MJ was a great passer but he didnt try to play Point guard like Lebron..He played in a real system and he allowed Scottie Pippen, Toni Kukoc and others to use their skills..

[@feelcollins4358]

Ikr while LeBron plays his own system and needs shooters in his team so can get his assists, MJ sticked to the task he was given and it was to score and defend on the opposing side of the court and he was great at it, when he had to be a PG for a year he had averaged above 10 assists

[@Sean_78]

When MJ played point guard he averaged a triple double.

[@qinwoodruff969]

Adam Neil totally true. Triangle doesn't need a true PG. ball is moved and shared. Even Ron attest and Kobe can play into it. Guess who couldn't. JR &melo. Lol

[@cheezlayer]

Thats right he utilized his teams ability including him to make good plays thats true leadership

[@wiseborn2172]

People forget (or weren't born) when Doug Collins moved Jordan to the point for a portion of the season and people saw how he was able to facilitate and thread the needle - and still take over the game whenever.

[@MrDholloway2]

All around player is not limited to rebound and assist. Ray Allen just broke it down. Listen to someone that knows the game. LISTEN TO HIS ANSWERS.

[@MrDholloway2]

Nice2787 Nope, he played with LBJ. Remember the shoot LBJ missed and Ray save his ass vs Spurs.

[@meg-k-waldren]

@Nice2787 don't be stupid. It's not like what Ray said wasn't true. LBJ is a forward so naturally LBJ would have MJ on RPG. We really can only give him true credit for APG. MJ has him on like every other stat, even blocks per game which is a surprise cause LBJ is the forward between the two of em. Again, don't be stupid.

[@meg-k-waldren]

And RPG is not a feat when LBJ is a forward and MJ a guard. I really only give LBJ credit for APG over MJ. Lol and it's not even by much, unlike MJs edge over LBJ in like every other stat category.

[@MrDholloway2]

meg to add... uncontested Rebounds &layups are more frequent now. When centers/forwards are now pulled out to 3 point line. True Assist is when a player scores off your pass. If the player has to dribble (create) or avoid an opposing player, therefore he create his own shoot. MJ rebounds & layups were contest with 7 ft center & 6-8 PFs in the paint. And there was a such thing as illegal defense then were you had to get back to your man or commit to a double team. LBJ plays in between (passing and rebound lanes) which would have been called for illegal defense. New rules to now allow position-less basketball. More so to high player deficiencies. this is do to some many top picks are coming out of HS. College was for players to learn to play in a system before coming into the league. In other words, talent is up, skill is down in the NBA.

[@freshsantana8247]

@@MrDholloway2 damn what you played against lebron or something bihh?

[@everdash]

When MJ says Kobe is the only player who could probably beat him, let’s just stop with this LeBron nonsense.

[@kzamora2548]

Truth

[@ultimatewarrior7766]

Lebron conquered Kobe head to head

[@jasondye9565]

No way is Kobe beating Jordan one on one😂

[@everdash]

@@jasondye9565 You know who would know better than you? Jordan.

[@jasondye9565]

Holden Caulfield got me🤙

[@eddiesalazar1]

MJ carried the Bulls to 6 championships without "recruiting" star players from other teams whereas Lebron could carry MJ's bags to the team bus.

[@giggitee895]

How come a 22 year old lebron brought a shit cavs team to the finals but a young Micheal couldn’t bring the bulls past the first round till pippen came ? That’s the DUmbest comment I’ve ever seen

[@jandanielbondad5176]

@@giggitee895 Hilarious. A *ROOKIE* Scottie Pippen who averaged *7.9 PPG* and didn't make the All Rookie Team was the reason MJ won his first playoff series in 1988? meanwhile MJ won an MVP, DPOTY, All Star MVP, Scoring Title (35 PPG ON 53.5 % shooting) and a steals leader (3.16) all in one season 1987-1988. Try again.

[@giggitee895]

Jan Daniel Bondad ok so why should lebron get faulted for losing in the finals w a shit team but it’s fine for Jordan to lose in the FIRST round countless times ? Lol shut your old head ass up everyone know the the GOAT is

[@jandanielbondad5176]

@@giggitee895 Lebron (2007 Finals) *36%* shooting *6* turnover per game MISSED GAME-TYING SHOT IN GAME 3 and *2/6* in FT in game 4 as the Spurs won by *1* point. 1 fucking point.

[@jandanielbondad5176]

@@giggitee895 Oh, and don't forget Lebron was once *airballed* a free throw in that series. LMAO

[@chrisgowers8094]

Pre triangle Jordan had a season where he averaged 38 8 & 8. Had 9 straight triple doubles in one stretch. Jordan could always pass it's just that the triangle offence system doesn't allow one player to dominate the ball too long.

[@blakelarson5005]

He is a better passer than Lebron. Larry Bird is a better passer than both. Assist averages mean nothing because Westbrook averaged 10 in a season and none of those 3 guys have done that.

[@batman9512]

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say that MJ was a better passer than LeBron, but he wasn't a slouch. I agree that Bird was a better passer than both players.

[@Sean_78]

ballislife.com/michael-jordan-could-of-been-the-best-point-guard-ever-want-proof/

[@Marshall0722]

That's true. I be tell these Bronsexuals all of the time. Stats don't show/explain everything.

[@depannist]

+Jabulani nice article!

[@everdash]

Interesting how people who watched MJ and played against MJ and coached against MJ all know he's better than LeBron. But any child under the age of 25 swears it's not even close.

[@TheBmills415]

I swear

[@JaPowClips]

And you're either "LBJ is the greatest player forever and all time" or a Hater., like Ray Allen will be labelled a Hater because he only has LBJ in his Top Five all time... Whatever...

[@cheezlayer]

Haha

[@maemaedenise220]

....or old.men over 50.

[@cheezlayer]

@@maemaedenise220 maybe or maybe not, im young but love watching Jordan plays all day long!here in youtube And conclude how great he was back then, also kobe! Back to back goat.. Whereas lbj is a dominant player today but lacks alot of couple of things in my perspective! Can't compare him to the real goat! MJ!

[@reginaldlarracas1174]

Lebron isn't even on Kobe's level, much less Jordan's. Not to mention the number of rings, just the mentality and will to win, without making excuses, makes Jordan the better player.

[@Dggdsfbh]

Lol not on Kobe level bruh what don’t u weirdos u Kobe riders not understand he isn’t top 7 bruh Shaq and timmy were better they proved it during that era

[@jrcka27]

I agree....Kobe better than Bron.....my opinion

[@JDBBB]

Give LeBron a prime shaq, that’s a 5 peat

[@masulubonak9275]

So true so true

[@moshfreak900]

Lebronda hasn't even been the best player in all his teams!

[@chrisfuller2069]

I watched Jordan through his entire career. People talk stats when comparing other players like LeBron to him. But Jordan, during the regular season, looked to his teammates early in the games to find the hot player(s) that night. If nobody else stepped up that night, Jordan took over and did his thing. If Pippen or Kukoc or whoever was hot that night, Jordan sat back. That's an aspect of Jordan's play style and on-court leadership that rarely gets discussed. Jordan coasted through a lot of regular season games, probably partly due to saving his stamina for the playoffs, partly due to spreading the wealth so to speak, and partly due to realizing the franchise would be less successful if it relied too much on one individual. If Jordan had focused on career points/stats instead of doing what needed to happen to win the games, his career stats would be MUCH higher.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Chris Fuller yes. Jordan was a more developed player in let's say '92 than '87 but it was '87 he averaged 37 ppg. People say, "if Jordan played today he could score 45 a night." To your point, 1992 Jordan could have averaged 45 a night in 1992. Thanks for bringing this up btw. I'be thought about this before but never see anyone discuss it.... cheers

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

In the dicumentary last dance at episode 3 or 4 Phil Jackson said that jordan did that because he told him too..it was part of Jacksons strategy and it was a bit hard for MJ to accept it at first but then Phill convinced him that it was for the teams good and mj accepted. He had them to play in a triangle and they had to pass to each other so whenever was free was able to shoot. But that means mj had to pass more often,but he soon liked the idea especially because teams like pistons and Lakers put a lot of pressure on him

[@kingleunitas5920]

The conversation has been over for a long time, if you disagrees then you didn't watch MJ in his prime! End of story

[@jackrhodes6309]

@@shawnmcdonell4558 True indeed.

[@thsarethbreaks]

The competition in the NBA was better over all back when MJ played.He scored all of his points against NBA all star caliber teams and there were quite a few back in the 80's and 90's.

[@zroxmolejon6278]

@@thsarethbreaks the players during his era has pride,, today the players are after for more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, in todays era, a typical flagrant foul its just a hard foul during in his era

[@thsarethbreaks]

zrox molejon That is very true,players then would get their teeth knocked out their eyes poked out.That Kareem Abdul Jabbar would wear goggles every game.

[@jcampolito1]

How about his pathetic performance on the wizards ? People only remember what they want 😂

[@regisjanson8424]

The history of MJ is just beautiful and legendary.

[@micoljaro]

Well said!

[@razkable]

you know it not a debate when the only argument lebron fans have is how tough his path has been and how easy mj's path was in that era...its the opposite and the realiy is mj never let others win besides shaq once he learned how to win...lebron lets everyone beat him..hes not owned any great besides westbrook in the finals....and even then hes only played russ once..he has lost multiple times to the 3 teams he has played ,pre than 2 times aka many multiple times in the playoffs boston san antonio and golden state ….hes legit two shots away from being 0-7 vs 2 of these teams in the playoffs

[@chrishandsome4267]

Asmosis Jones imaging thinking Jordan’s path was easier than lebrons 🤦‍♂️ LeBron joined a super team & still couldn’t beat the old washed up MAVS

[@mr.k8902]

@@chrishandsome4267 only bronsexuals would claim lebronze 2006 fiba medal is G.O.A.T.

[@4ever167]

@@mr.k8902 Lebronze😭😭 wish I grew up in Mjs era tho the competition seemed so different seemed more intense

[@j.t.thomas890]

You know alot of people don't realize how good of a passer Michael really was. It's just that he didn't do it alot. He didn't want to leave the ball in someone else's hands to get the job done

[@MDAM12716]

People forget that 32.5 8 and 8 season. If they needed him to average a triple double he would've.

[@0pinion0lympics]

Lol worse interviewer. He laughs like he doesn’t believe mike would average 45

[@jldp24]

He wouldnt average 45..thats impossible with his fg percentage. 35\37 seems more realistic.

[@adittya9002]

@@jldp24 😂😂😂😂🤡

[@devoid2783]

@@jldp24 actually the way free throws are broken in today's game, I won't be surprised at all. Plus lack of contact too.

[@mckenlytoling6934]

@@jldp24 hahah MJ already average 37ppg in one season. So whats ur point men?

[@jantro8480]

@@jldp24 With the spacing today, he would have more open shots. With no handchecking, his great iso play would be even greater. With the 3 in the key defensive rule implementation, he'll benefit with the more open penetration to the bucket without big men camping there. Also, even with all those rules, MJ in his prime was shooting 50-55% hitting mostly midranges. Compare that to other midrange shooters like Durant, Kobe, Kawhi. Jordan was hitting a better FG% in a more tougher defensive era.

[@SimpleManGuitars1973]

Shannon Sharpe cried listening to this.

[@ballislife9989]

LOL

[@jasonkeith9317]

Shannon knows he just does that to make the show interesting!

[@evf02d]

but skiiiiiiiiiippppppp

[@stevesuk4569]

Don't forget Nick Wrong.

[@blanktrigger8863]

Not really. It's just more stupid stuff that I'm sure Shannon could disprove just as he does against Skip.

[@saimonet4261]

He's right MJ is the greatest.

[@feelcollins4358]

He played in post game era, 3pt perimeter shooters were lesser back then because of the hand checking rule and he simply adjusted to it, anyway they couldn't stop him in the paint and midrange especially his fadeaways, there was no need for him to master 3pt. Nowadays you even see bigmen who are supposed to work in the post shoot 3pts

[@fatimaal-enizi6717]

Yep. NOBODY else has 6 Finals MVPs. NOBODY.

[@eazyduzit-tr3nx]

J Rich Funny bc MJ has a better 3pt% than LBJ when it matters (in the finals), and this is not including the shorten 3pt line.

[@chrisrose7286]

LeBron just lacks the mental state that Mj had (as well as Kobe had). I mean MJ always wanted to win. And he wanted it so hard that he took the most important shots himself. With the Cavs for example LeBron let Kyrie do the important shots....

[@jasonkeith9317]

@J Rich no way!!!

[@dameschemin8464]

MJs defense is something that caught me off guard watching him play in full games on hardwood classics or YT vids, and that’s something no one really talks about when discussing MJs game. He was quick, on balance and was all over the floor, sometimes it seemed like he put more effort on D than offense. The more I watch him, the more I realize why people call him the GOAT today

[@MP2x4]

Imagine being a player in the 80s and 90s, guarding MJ only for him to score on you while floating in the air, then you pick up the inbound and MJ is just abusing you

[@masterofdisaster9194]

@@MP2x4Jordan did put more effort in on the defensive end, even at the end of his bulls days. Scoring came easy to Jordan

[@bradleyboyer9979]

A lot of people have also forgotten what Jordan was like when he was young. They see clips from the 90s and think that's prime MJ. In the 80s, Jordan was unlike anything anyone had ever seen. The best way to describe it was "constant pressure" on both ends. He never got tired, and he never stopped attacking on both ends. After a game, the other team looked demoralized, even if they had won. He reminded me of a defense in football who is putting so much pressure on the offense that the QB is mentally shaken and can't even get a pass off because he's seeing ghosts. Or like an offense in football that is just running it down the throat of the defense time after time after time. His later years, he became incredibly good in the midrange and with his footwork, but in the 80s, he crushed the soul of other teams. They were just trying to figure out how to stay in front of him and not allow him to play the passing lanes on defense. Basically, they were playing fearfully.

[@puertorico4718]

Mj didn’t have to pass that’s why the won clutch momenta 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@vza7938]

​@@bradleyboyer9979exactly...jordan was more complete in the 90s, but in the 80s, he had only one skill 'Attack!' , on both ends of the floor, hed even attack u on defense...as a coach and as a team, idk which one to fear more...but as a SG whose gonna match up with him, 80s MJ was the scariest player to matchup with, EVER...he was relentless 😭😭

[@jerseyjay1550]

I love when the media guys tweak the question to fit the narrative, ok Mj is a great scorer, but is lebron a better all around player? No, still MJ. Anyone can be a great passer when they have the ball 75% of the time.

[@gabrielalele8603]

Facts.

[@jbrian1977]

MJ socred 35 ppg while only shooting 7 threes the entire season.

[@bigeric1030]

jbrian1977 he also shot over 54% from the field the entire season and was 85% from the foul line.

[@DJQuan718]

@@bigeric1030 BEAST! Those who truly watched the game knows who the GOAT is

[@swervo1506]

jbrian1977 are u fr???? That’s fucking wild

[@mr.nobody9697]

jesus christ thats terrifying. If he hits 100 3s he averages 40+

[@NateWilliams..]

Thats crazy, do you know how dominant you have to be to do that...that's like Shaq averaging all those points, and couldn't make a free throw

[@NathanKJohnson]

I don't like this notion that Jordan wasn't a good passer. He could pass it great, his position and his role on team didn't him require him to do it the way LeBron does.

[@TheNiko2784]

I totally agree

[@jackrhodes6309]

Ray didn't say MJ wasn't a good passer. he was saying MJ was exceptional at everything, but at passing he was.. only just very good, but not great. It was his weakest area, but his weakest area was well above average.

[@suntansuperman26]

@@jackrhodes6309 Funny thing is when he was asked to pass the ball during that experiment of him playing point, he averaged LeBron's best season average. Now that's crazy.

[@jackrhodes6309]

@@suntansuperman26 Yup and that's because the weakest part of MJ's game was still elite and better than the best of most players.

[@Nocsucal-BeatGod]

Nathan Johnson he was forced to play PG early in his career for a year or 2. Go look at those numbers. Man was an incredible passer

[@arsenguevara745]

Dan Patrick tried so hard to understate Jordan's skills first with Lebron then with Kobe. Both unsuccessful. LMAO

[@mensrea1251]

Dan was annoying af in this interview… I don’t mind the counterpoint, but the way he did it was amateurish. Like him badgering Allen when Allen chose MJ over Kobe, “but he scored 81! And 60 in his last game!” Like what does that even mean in the context of a debate on MJ vs Kobe?

[@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053]

I'm almost 40 and I've loved MJ from WAY back when. The one thing he did that I tried to replicate in my game when I played (but never could), is he would penetrate the lane, go up for a dunk, see the block coming, transition to a layup, and there would always be at least 3 defenders in the paint, and he would be contorting his body, falling to the ground, and seemingly just chuck the ball up out of desperation....and it would go in. He would do this at least once a game. Every one shows when he switched hands in the '91 Finals but I've seen hundreds of games that man played in and I've seen him do stuff that has NEVER made a KZbin highlight reel and I'm like am I the only one who remembers this?

[@tjellis1479]

1984 MJ owned the NBA AllStars before HE entered the NBA.

[@blackpanther1146]

Yes he did 👏👏

[@euphoria667]

This comment needs more attention!

[@normalcc]

Facts!!

[@gilgamesh384]

Facts!

[@TwentyFourSevenOfficial]

Absolutely

[@daboykenzo77]

Nba fans who are millenials or newbies will never understand what ray allen is talking about...

[@zachj6601]

Some

[@The_Gamers_Gamer]

Or the obfuscating media who keep this zombie debate going for their own interests I.e. money and relevancy.

[@justinsquibb913]

But it's 81 against a shitty team.. Jordan put up 63 in a playoff game against one of the best teams ever... Stop

[@cheezlayer]

@TheRealist 811 very true!

[@cheezlayer]

@@justinsquibb913 yeah.. Celtics larry bird was a stacked team! They're man as they come they got all the good stuff, MJ had a hard time against them but still manage to score 63pts!

[@reacespeaces2]

LeBron hasn't came close to passing Kobe so pump the brakes

[@aniketdesai7499]

RIP Kobe 😓

[@DrPhil-kx3ci]

Cutie, you are missing more screws apparently

[@chesstictacs3107]

*come

[@DrPhil-kx3ci]

S63 AMG u can change your name but u can never change cause u lame

[@traiwitz2736]

Nick Giant chill out he’s long passed Kobe rip to mamba tho

[@craigwilson5365]

The fact that Lebron needs to tell everyone he's the greatest means he's not. Lebron lost Finals with future Hofers. MJ did not. MJ would have 8 if he never retired.

[@sarge7string232]

Yup

[@dr.henryjones616]

And possibly 1 or 2 more on top of that if they hadn't broken up that team.

[@aaronschutte7160]

Hakeem might’ve had something to say about that.

[@kentbagaipo3368]

@@aaronschutte7160 Hakeen wouldn't have rings if Jordan hadn't retired.

[@BooHefner]

Without Pippen the "goat" never made it out the first round!!!

[@Todaywedecideabouttomorrow]

Crazy how when people interview someone they ask a question and then tries to push you towards agreeing with their own answer.

[@Priscilla-pb6lp]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@sageantone7291]

Patrick sucks

[@TheSTRILLA]

Yung Ken that’s exactly what dude was trying to do to Ray

[@jasonkeith9317]

Not all interviewers just the ones that think they know more than the guy they're interviewing !

[@qinwoodruff969]

I think Patrick was trying to trap ray and stir the mud water a little bit.

[@dennisruiz77]

I love the 90s type of baskeball, today is too soft

[@izzylagi9247]

Yup today's NBA is a joke!

[@C_mao]

@@izzylagi9247 What, you don't like 'Stephen' ? (:

[@charlesparker4850]

the 90's was not that physical compared to the 80's and 70's and 60's it was slightly more physical than the early 2000's

[@MikeDTheRealOne]

@@charlesparker4850 football is a whole other sport, we don't need tackling in hoops...and let's stop exaggerating, these dudes get away with hand checking and grabbing all day, then you same fans complain about fouls not being called. Stop it.

[@adambartilad9708]

charles parker I agree

[@mjf8897]

Jordan scored 63 - against the '86 Celtics - in the playoffs advantage Jordan

[@dariopadovan1976]

Just watch MJ playing post and you'll see who's the goat

[@MichaelLandSeasandAir]

Dan Patrick says MJ can’t shoot 3s. Ask Portland if MJ can shoot because he hit 6 3s in the first half in game 1 of the 1992 Finals

[@lenoe234]

one game?! hahahaha lebron hit 10 in a row in miami against charlotte to get his career high that same game .. and aginst whoo ?!!? portland ? lmao both teams were weak charlotte and portland soo whats your point?

[@MichaelLandSeasandAir]

KAPEL GEE did you just say the 1992 Portland team was weak? Do yourself a favor kid and get on google because apparently your knowledge of the game only goes back 10 years. I’m done; you just compared the 1992 Blazers to the 2013 Bobcats.🤷‍♂️

[@5694575164758]

lmao one game doesnt mean anything trevor ariza hit 9 threes in a game...

[@MichaelLandSeasandAir]

5694575164758 did he do in the finals on the biggest stage, if not what is the point of mentioning it.

[@5694575164758]

Michael Land I’m a huge Jordan fan dude but come on he was a career 32% three point shooter... anyone can heat up in a game doesn’t make them a good three pt shooter. Micheal was great at a lot of things 3 pt shooting was not one of them

[@a.2wavyholland503]

This is the difference between the goat and LBJ. ray said jordan knew nobody could stop him. Not only that he said MJ Could score wen he wanted to from anywhere on the court. CASE CLOSED

[@lenoe234]

hahaha lebron can score whenever he wants aswell sucka

[@chickenmanoktae]

LeBron cannot score, even though he wanted to, against Dallas in the 2011 NBA Finals

[@damianpresha9578]

@@chickenmanoktae Well Jordan could score 63 points against Boston but couldn't get a game.

[@toxicjutz3216]

@@damianpresha9578 lebron got outscored by jason fuckin terry with his all star team..

[@hubertfenelon25]

What about game 1 during this year finals when he had Steph on him on top of the key and no double team, but he passed it to G. Hill.

[@RichardSmith-xc3vl]

Ray Allen was not only a great basketball player who belongs in the Hall of Fame but has a great personality and is a wonderful truth and storyteller.

[@earlyburd78]

MJ was a great passer.... when he passed

[@retrosoul8770]

Ppl forget how he tripled doubled regularly when coach Doug Collins made MJ point guard in the late 80s.

[@JorgePerez-jl2gz]

Even when Ray played with lechoke and got Lechoke a ring he still admits MJ is the Goat

[@yahiaali4059]

Jorge Perez he didn’t get him shit bro lebron played hard that finals was destroying the spurs defence in game 7

[@JorgePerez-jl2gz]

Yahia ali Keep telling You that so You and Lechoke can sleep at night

[@baka825]

Lol that's cuz Ray bailed Lebron out with that near impossible 3 after Lebron choked his.

[@anton9986]

Jorge Perez lmao LeBron hit the game winner over Kawhi tho

[@richstacks4219]

Yahia ali you forget the sequence. LeBron missed the initial 3 pointer. Bish gets rebound and passes to Allen while he’s going backwards and hits a 3. Ray doesn’t hit that 3 pointer the heat lose. They even had the trophy on the side of the court already

[@isaachaze1]

get an MJ in his prime, drop him down from the sky in to a modern era game, and i think he would just be laughing his ass off the entire time and destroying everyone in his way at the same time, and probably asking, "WTF happened to the NBA???"

[@TheJohnnystockman]

isaachaze1 surprised this doesn’t have more likes. I always say it’s hard to compare generations and I always say today’s players are faster better stronger. But MJ would absolutely destroy today’s nba, it’s a lot softer.

[@abrahamcanales1522]

Yeah till he plays golden state every year..

[@fabolousninenine30]

TheJohnnystockman This is bullshit. The 90s ended 18 years ago...not 50 years. The rule changes washed the league up. Jordan averaged 37 on 53% in an era where players got terrorized in the zone. Nowadays you have so much spacing and open lanes it's ridicolous to think he wouldn't average above 40 with ease. Just like Ray said it, you can't even take a bad breath at somebody without getting a T.

[@jani-ho8cl]

Love ir comment bro.

[@mackinshizzaveli4202]

He scored 37 in the 80s when they gangbanged slashers. He’d average 50 easy before free throws.

[@guillermodorantesbalanzar1359]

"Oh yeah, if he flopped once or twice they would make sure they gave him a reason to flop..."

[@subzero308]

that right there let me further know how trash todays game really is... i miss the 90s era of all sports.

[@majorkade]

"MJ all day long" Thank you.

[@GreenEnvy.]

Lebron's legacy is enhanced by a historically weak conference. The 2011 Mavs exposed it and his 3-6 finals record puts the stamp on it.

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

They mustve exposed Kobe and Durant too

[@Element_y]

Its good to see there are still some smart people left in the world. LeBron has enjoyed an unprecidented free ride in the weakest conference. There are college teams that would have faired wll in the East. 90% of the best players are in the west. There is no way if LeBron played on the Mavs or the Suns or something that he would ever have won a ring

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

yea considering he beat three teams from the western conference. now he's in the west and when he beats the warriors in the wcf this year and wins his fourth ring I don't wanna hear any more excuses. I don'w want to hear anymore weak east and I don't want to hear watered down west.

[@feliperojasalou3325]

Don't forget that same mavs team swept Kobe

[@Hive5ive]

All these LeBron Stan's make me laugh. I'm not even a Kobe guy, but he averaged almost 24 a game against that Mavs team. Kobe also didn't have d Wade scoring 26 a game to help him, LeBron did. LeBron in that series got outscored by bosh, d Wade, Dirk annnnnd Jason Terry. That's a wrap for me. Can't be better than MJ and pull that nonsense. FOH

[@ShawnMenchaca]

Why do we even talk about This? LeBron isn't on the same level as Jordan.

[@nokluwzjose1963]

Your stupid for saying that

[@cakeboh6061]

@@nokluwzjose1963 no he's not.....and go on....

[@somalipirate3291]

How MJ left his team in 93 and they won two less games the next season how is that the 🐐??

[@mgtowlifeseasyifyoutry1274]

@@nokluwzjose1963 you stupid for not knowing any stats

[@MrCdub88]

Kobe is more in line with this the LBJ

[@jerseyjay1550]

Thanks for the analysis Ray....he actually knows what he is talking about. Nobody remembers that MJ averaged 37 , 8, 8 one season. He could pass but he didn't need to. He averages 1 less rebound per game than lbj. Like Ray said MJ could do it all. #Goat

[@AnHebrewChild]

Jersey Jay actually it was 35 /8/8. The 37 was the season before. =]

[@Poopopotamusgaming]

Yeah he was selfish, jacked up all the shots

[@brandonwestbrook6003]

Love this.. Ray Allen throwin facts. Today’s game is soo soft. Lebron would’ve been loooong retired after probably six seasons if he’d played in MJ era.

[@richardturner1063]

your right you can see mj handchecking 6 9 260 lebron 🤡

[@basfeldbrugge8577]

Why is this still a topic/discussion? LeBron ‘s not even close, there are multiple players ahead of him for the GOAT-title!!! Smh...

[@subzerofromny735]

Bas Feldbrugge whos ahead of lebron? Let me guess. Brian scalabrine? Kwame Brown? Darko Milicic? Anthony Bennett? If you want lebron to go die just say it

[@basfeldbrugge8577]

Clutch Master Wilt, Kareem, to name a few...

[@yingxiao3914]

Clutch Master wilt chamberlain and Kareem. But you don’t know who they are, right?

[@subzerofromny735]

Moemoe Pang is wilt in your top five or top ten?

[@yingxiao3914]

Clutch Master My top 3 are MJ, Kareem and wilt. Russell, bird, magic, Hakeem and lebron compete 4th to 8th.

[@justkeepcasting]

Tell Em Ray!!! Weird another Hall of Famer saying it ain't close. And pointing out the biggest difference - physicality - which is completely gone. Scoring is so much easier now. MJ dropped 30+ in the most physical era EVER. I have always said he'd average 40+ with todays rules, but I'm glad Phil Jackson and Ray proved me wrong! 45+ and they are right. I always said 40 so modern fans wouldn't get butt hurt lol. Bring back hand checks, forearms, and shoulders; and then see what's what. Degree of difficulty man, that always determines the greatness of an accomplishment. The drop in physicality has equated to a lower level of difficulty. It's a fact. Go down to an open gym, drive to the lane with modern rules, then do it again with old rules; and tell me which is easier to score with. Lol such a joke. Anyone that plays ball and is honest knows that getting a shot off with hand checks and forearms is harder. Ray Allen, top 3 shooter of all-time and arguably the greatest coach of all-time in Phil (top 3 for sure) both agree, yet some whack reporter or GM will tell people otherwise and ignorant fans will listen to em. So dumb. Ray Allen is right, and he played with all 3 guys (MJ, Kobe, Lebron). What he say? NOT EVEN CLOSE. Tell em boy. Always been one of my top favorite players Ray 👊😁

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Scorer doesn't mean better player. He is without a doubt a greater scorer and has a greater legacy but that don't make him a better player.

[@justkeepcasting]

@@JahleelX-xx9wd and here we go. 15 years in the league for lebron thus far, compared to Mj's 15 year career. MJ played 71 LESS GAMES by the way. MJ has 1000+ more points. 600+ more STEALS. 3 more all NBA defensive team awards, 1 DPOY award (lebron has 0). MJ also has 3 more rings. 3 more finals mvp awards. 1 more league mvp award. Jordan did all of this in less games. His FT % is also better and their FG % is almost identical. No, hes better than lebron for A LOT of reasons. Did u hear Ray? Jordan was a better shooter, had better footwork, and was a far superior defender. He was a complete 2 WAY PLAYER. So if Jordan was better on offense, and clearly better on defense, and he won a lot more; ya'll wanna talk about assists and rebounds? The only 2 categories lebron beats Jordan in and 2 categories that are not as important as the ones I just listed? Jordan beats lebron in every other category, especially the ones that matter, and he backed it up with winning; the most important category in sports. The reason why "sport" exists, to determine a winner. This argument is getting old. Like Ray said, it ain't close and people need to let this go. Ask current NBA players and retired, ask current coaches and retired; OVER 50% will say MJ the GOAT. The rest will say either Kareem, or Wilt, or Magic, and then Lebron (maybe a few others). The point is, at best the TRUE experts overwhelmingly say MJ is the GOAT. Lebron would b lucky to get 15 % of that vote and i'm being generous. MJ is probably more around 70%. As I always say - MJ is eating the pie while the rest of the greats are fighting over the crumbs. Lebron is great, but Ray Allen is spot on. But what does he know? He's only won 2 rings (one of which lebron needs to thank him for - lebron only has 2 rings without Ray Allen), he holds current shooting records, and to his point he has played with both. Thank u for speaking the truth Ray. Oh and its not a coincidence that almost all advanced analytics say that Jordan was the more efficient player. But yeah, rebounds and assists lol. Let's see "the biggest fastest strongest player we've ever seen" play dominant D against the best players AND win a little more. Then we might have a convo. But he's too old to play D and he's out of time.

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@justkeepcasting lmao. The same bs. Who did mj guard? He guarded small guards and never had a hard task as Durant. Jordan is a better defender but LeBron is more versatile and he has to guard harder players. Offensively they can both do what they want when they want. But LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster, smarter. He has a higher iq, better rebounder, better passer, better 3 point shooter, and he runs his system. He beat a 73-9 team down 3-1 with his system and made them grab the second best player in the world to beat him. Now had they joined forces to beat Jordan he wouldn't be 6-0 in the finals but that's another story. LeBron faced greater competition. And I keep hearing y'all say killer instinct but it don't increase any skill on the court. Mj left the bulls got replaced by Pete Myers and the bulls still won 55 games and made the ecsf and almost ecf if it wasn't for a bogus call. Mj never could do anything without pippen. The first threepeat was better than the second. The second threepeat is overrated. He comes back after the bulls win 55 games, and he clearly had all the help in the world, drops 55 on the best defense in the league aka the knicks and then he chokes vs the magic. People say he swept them next year but that was after grabbing rodman. How can u be the goat if u not even the most valuable to your team compared to other grests? LeBron can do more with less. He has shown that even if he has bums he can still get to the finals, while mj can't and never has. And don't bother with that eastern conference crap. Because we all know east is weaker than the west but if it was so weak I'm confused as to why nobody came to east from the west to beat him. Ray Allen can think what he want just like u can. I have seen damn near all of mj games and highlights on KZbin, I have seen LeBron's entire career up to this point. I think LeBron is better and u not gonna brainwashed me like everybody else. It is not a fact that Jordan is the goat, it is an opinion and that's cool to think that but most people are just brainwashed into thinking that and don't even really think so they just repeating the same things they heard other people say, never seen him play and know nothing about basketball. U can think mj the goat, that's cool but to say it ain't even close, it's blasphemy to compare someone to him, or any of that bs making it seem like mj ain't a damn human being need to stop right now.

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@justkeepcasting how was Jordan more efficient when he has less points than LeBron on more shit attempts?

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@justkeepcasting Ray Allen didn't give him his 2nd ring because they were down by double digits before Ray Allen hit the shot. I wonder who brought them back into the series. And we can talk all day long about this. But LeBron is in the west now, he still in his prime and he will win his fourth ring this year and beat the warriors in the wcf, u can quote me on that.

[@jeeperscreepers8902]

Michael was so good. He was the only player that retired for 3 years and came back to 3 peat. Even Kobe didn't do that. Lebron shouldn't even try to.

[@neophytosdm]

I never understood why some people think of Jordan as a weak passer. He averaged 8 assists when he was asked to do so and that was in just his 5th NBA season, when he was not even in his peak in terms of basketball knowledge. After that his role wasn't to pass the ball so he did not develop that part of his game THAT much, but still it is obvious in his assist highlights that he had very good court vision and he also had the passing skill, hang time and basketball IQ - there are many highlight of him jumping faking and passing to an open guy or dishing a pass when doubled with fakes and good timing. Also, I've seen what can count as an assist, some times it's just ridiculous, no defense, open guy, I mean I'm pretty sure if I played in the NBA I could probably dish a couple of assists myself, but I would never be able to drive to the basket.

[@MV-eh3xf]

MJ is the GOAT...there will never be another..only pieces that you would have to put together to make him... Kawhi= The Defense of Jordan Harden/Durant= The Scoring ability of Jordan Westbrook=The Heart of Jordan Kobe=The Mentality of Jordan 😎🙌🏽

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Brainwashed

[@MV-eh3xf]

Jahleel Sayers and your delusional

[@TheBmills415]

Well put Kobe had more than the mentality but yep

[@MV-eh3xf]

TheBmills415 no of course he’s the closest to Jordan..scoring as well..but Kobe earned his buckets not saying all players don’t..it wasn’t until he went to #24 until it started getting effortless..but the MENTALITY was the same..that’s why I say KD/Harden them dudes score effortlessly the closest to Jordan🙌🏽 thanks

[@TheBmills415]

@@MV-eh3xf Yeah that's true If you would agree with me TMac scored effortlessly in the number 8 Kobe era I always wanted TMac and Kobe to unite Would've been that era of Jordan and Scottie

[@PedrofazFigaz]

Dan is so biased, trying to force Ray to say that James or Kobe are somehow better than MJ. Poor journalism...

[@vicrattlehead6386]

He mentioned Kobe 80 points but failed to mentioned Jordan hit 60+ in playoff, a record still stand till today.

[@knathanknathan]

IM I guess he’s thinking in the lines of I need to keep LeBron coming to my show.

[@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III]

I wish Ray would have said " Yeah... You forget Jordan dropped 63, in the PLAYOFFS against a Larry Brid led, HoF filled Celtics in the Garden"......Dropping 80 on a bad Raptors team in the regular season doesn't come close.

[@jam5scott13]

@@vicrattlehead6386 i dont think Dan was trying to say Kobe was better. He is saying Kobe before Lebron too. Im in my 50's i saw them all play. To me Mj and Kobe gave greater effort on defense than Lebron. They made way more all defensive teams than Lebron. Not even close. Plus Ray Allen does not like Kobe at all lol👉0:18 KOBE BLOCKS RAY ALLEN [OWNAGE] KZbin · alley cat Mar 22, 2008

[@kasparov9]

@@vicrattlehead6386 From a post in 2016: Playoff Records: Most points 5,987 by Michael Jordan Highest points per game average (min. 25 games) 33.5 by Michael Jordan (179 games) Most 50-point games 8 by Michael Jordan Most 40-point games 38 by Michael Jordan Most 30-point games 109 by Michael Jordan Only player to score 15+ points in every game (min. 25 games) Michael Jordan (179 games)

[@imllendream]

80-90s Physicality of the game was 2nd to hockey. It WARMS everyone's blood & adrenaline which makes the game sooooo real & COOL that people wanna crave for more. Every shot makes it precious like scoring football coz they earned it big time amidst rock solid defending by opponents. That's what makes those 2 decades of NBA a Golden Era.

[@RoyBaty]

Thank you Ray Allen. That was a great interview with insight from a great player that's seen both eras.

[@qwerty6789x]

"AIRNESS" goat doesn't flop like footballers. Kobe is closest to His Airness we got.

[@Bob-pu3wc]

Don’t disrespect footballers twat

[@hailtheblackdragons]

Like Ray a lot, but he had one thing way wrong: MJ's one of the greatest passers ever. Period.

[@KK-cb1eb]

no, he isn't... and I'm not talking about overall numbers, just watch the games... I grew up in the Jordan era... MJ was a good passer, but he doesn't have the vision Magic or LeBron had... so while he was a very good passer, he isn't one of the greatest at it... he also didn't need to be, what the team needs from you dictate what your game is...

[@hailtheblackdragons]

I watched almost every game of his career....And watched him average 12 assists a game for the 20 game span in '89 the one time he moved to the point..12 assists a game.....17/19 of those games in double figure assists.....Something Lebron has never approached........When Jordan went pass first he was as good a passer as anyone over 6'4 not named Magic. And the numbers when he played point show it.

[@aegistahl1835]

@@KK-cb1eb what are you talking about? Jordan played point guard during the 88-89 season and managed to get 7 straight triple doubles, 10 in 11 games.

[@hailtheblackdragons]

Nah, MJ was definitely one of the best passers ever. And he made less bad passes than anyone. Period. You could wait 1/2 a season for MJ to make a bad pass. It just hardly ever happened.

[@fabolousninenine30]

hailtheblackdragons MJ is one of the greatest ballhandlers of all time. 2.3 turnovers for 6.4 assists over his career ? That's pretty good IMO.

[@justmarcus33]

It's clear from how players who played against all...mj just made you feel a different way

[@DD-sw1dd]

MJ’s rookie year he put up the same, if not slightly overall better, numbers than a PRIME Kobe Bryant the year Kobe won MVP. That pretty much sums up MJ.

[@harrygaskin7995]

Not one ounce of hate is Ray Allen. I love when cats keep it 💯0000 and give proof with the foul facts.

[@travismickens6651]

People keep talking about 3 point shooting. It is what it is and i get it but it was a different era. 3 point shooting wasn't as popular. Mj could shoot the three but that wasn't the focus back then. It's like saying micheal jackson didn't do the floss dance.

[@eazyduzit-tr3nx]

travis mickens And them fools don’t even know that MJ actually had a better 3pt% in the finals when it matters compared to LBJ. Even if you discount the shortened line.

[@1990758]

I respect your opinion I personally think today's NBA offense is similar but not limited to the old Aba run up and down the court and shoot the three

[@edifysalim5359]

"player nowadays seem to forget, the closer you are to the basket, the easier it gets" Kareem Abdul Jabbar

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

TheRealist 811 it was one game lol. I hate when y'all say this cause if that's the case why didn't he make all his other 3s

[@suntansuperman26]

@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t Thing is Jordan set that record just to prove a point. The 3 point shot was not that big back then so it wasn't really a necessity of Jordan's game. He was never a big 3 point shooter.

[@gnewt75]

This man is the ONLY person who's got a first person knowledge of ALL three of these players and could only give a fair assessment. Especially since Lebron and him were teammates and literally cemented the Heat to a championship.

[@michaeljordan6292]

Ray Allen's history with Jordan Brand is the history of Jordan Brand itself. He signed in 1997 at 22 years old - one of five players selected by Michael Jordan to wear the Jumpman in the NBA. He started off in team shoes and eventually graduated to wearing player edition Air Jordans after MJ retired in 199

[@michaeljordan6292]

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[@williebender2561]

I personally liked MJ better myself however I do think LBJ deserves to be in that conversation. My issue is LBJ is a beast but he has some quit in him in tough games . MJ got his ass whooped millions of times but he had no quit in him. If you Like LBJ over mj fine but don’t try to discredit what mj did .

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Same should be said for LeBron

[@tomstorm7926]

you think a guy that has quit in him and havent accomplished as much is in the goat convo?

[@idkman09]

He deserves to be in these convo but he has some quit in him? Cmon bro, let’s call it like it is...

[@luewane22]

Some quit? If you mean the kind of quit that disappears in the Finals against a Mavs team that only had Dirk and an aged Jason Kidd after running his azz to a team with two HOFers in their prime and losing...your quit meter needs to be recalibrated. Even Mike haters know there’s no way he would’ve lost to that team, and God forbid what Mike would’ve done to them and the Spurs if he had Wade and Bosh as sidekicks!

[@omieg89]

Willie Bender the only times I ever saw Lebron forget about the critics and just play his heart out were in 2007 game 5 against Pistons, 2012 game 6 against Boston, 2013 game 6 and 7 against Spurs and 2016 games 5-7 against GSW. I felt like he didn’t leave anything in the tank during those situations.

[@mattpagel2328]

Wait what? Humans with eyes and brains think LJ is better than MJ. We have lost the plot

[@kingtrawal]

Kaiser Frederick LeBron is amazing. Definitely #9 all time

[@mattpagel2328]

King Trawal lmao

[@1990758]

I'll tell you today's NBA fans

[@chrisrose7286]

They might also think the earth is flat :P

[@mattpagel2328]

Chris M It’s very concerning this fake narrative.

[@snakeplissken7671]

Ray Allen's a great interview. Makes me want to look up more interviews of him after seeing this video.

[@n1c98]

Forgot to mention that this guy's legendary signature dunks won dunk contests left and right while he was gathering rings and dominating the entire sport.

[@buddycenteno]

Lebron James is GOAT of Always Second Placer & Twice Swept 0 win - 4 losses in NBA Finals. Michael Jordan is GOAT of Always Champion in NBA Finals.

[@dadillonful]

Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs before pippen.. lebron was carrying scrubs to the finals

[@dmv118]

@@dadillonful I wouldn't call Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Dywane Wade, Kyrie Irving scrubs.

[@grillbuster1519]

Call Me Derek Kevin love missed the entire 2015 finals. Kevin love also missed a finals game with a concussion in 2016 also. 36 year old Richard Jefferson started a second game in KL’s place when KL was cleared to start. KL also averaged single digit points and rebounds in the series, and declared himself mentally ill shortly after. I would call him a scrub actually, regardless of meaningless regular season numbers.

[@grillbuster1519]

Jordan was swept twice in the first round of the playoffs. Is that somehow better than losing in the finals? I’m sure to the Jordan fanboys, that doesn’t count so far. Only Gen-Z talk about the “goat,” anyway, it’s a dumb discussion.

[@reymenders5437]

@@grillbuster1519 every gen call MJ the Goat Wtf are you talking about

[@skyteam2185]

Mj and Kobe is 1 and 2 of all times

[@joestuehmer7967]

Kobe>Wilt? lmfaoo he wasn't even better than Shaq back in the day

[@amadeus5403]

U crazy 😂 Kobe is definitely top ten

[@comicelaya]

3:24 "If Mike played today he would average 45 in his prime" Ray Allen: Easy Dan Patrick: You believe that? Ray Allen: mm-hmm

[@martijnvanspaendonck7989]

That was a very fun interview.

[@Element_y]

Finally. Ray Allen gets it. It' so easy to see, but the fans of this generation are so hell-bent on trashing MJ in their quest to crown LeBron as the GOAT. I wish MJ were playing in this era - LeBron wouldn't have a single ring.

[@grillbuster1519]

Jordan wouldn’t have a single ring in this era either, he would get crushed by that warriors team

[@jamesbauduin7956]

Most nba games have higher scores at the end, then the record high scores of the old days. There is no hard core defenses anymore. These new players havent seen a true test. They play like practice now. Jordan was in a confrense full of top defensive teams. He was a top defender himself. Lebron is an overgrown baby looking for a triple double every game. Well lebron, your trip ds dont win championships

[@grillbuster1519]

James Bauduin take a look at points per game by year, you dummy. The pace, and scoring were more back then. Not only are the scores of today not “records” for the old days, but VERY average. www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

[@2KILLAVILLE]

Facts..imo 1.MJ 2. Magic. 3. B.Russell/ Wilt C. Or Dr. J.

[@mtb4l673]

Chris Mark today's moronic generation is just looking for a small win in their time. A piece of glory, but can't have it. MJ the sad reality for them is that MJ is still the GOAT. They don't even deserve to have watched him for having such a foolish mentality.

[@Frostshokula]

3:26 He laughs like it was ludicrous that Ray thinks MJ could average 45 in today’s game. He averaged like 35 over the first 6 seasons in the 80s without the 3pt shot being as prominent as it is in today’s game. Not to mention the physicality.

[@grillbuster1519]

It was a faster pace back then, you dummy. It only slowed down toward the end of his bulls career.

[@evileyegaming405]

@@grillbuster1519 actually in the era he played the pace was a lot slower than today so he'd actually be shooting more in this faster era

[@oskgaming1198]

@@evileyegaming405 MJ would play however he wanted to in this era. This era is fast paced, he doesnt give a shit. He will stop the offense, take the mid range game he was known for, and dominate. Everyone else is running and gunning because they have to, MJ would do what he thought would win him games, and I promise you that would be back to the basket post up perfection. Footwork out the ass. Literally nobody in the league is stopping. No position, no athletic freak, literally nobody is locking him up.

[@kyo3124]

the regular fouls coming into the lane in the 80s and 90s are todays flagrant ones and twos. Son. Just stop.

[@rodanteluzon1304]

This interview got it ocked in and would age as the said debate aged. Beautiful.

[@raulmontes1804]

I followed mjs career very closely. In fact, he made me want to watch the game. And aside from stats I just couldn't believe the performances that he turned in. To date, nobody has even come close. M J is definitely the GOAT!

[@porkfrog2785]

saw both, James is a better person, and I hated MJ even while liking to watch him, but Jordan was better. That insane competitiveness and work ethic matter...I know James is a super-hard worker, but there's working to stay in shape in your later years, and there's working on your game---sure. James has become more clutch and better at 3's, but Jordan flat EVOLVED into the beefy 90's monster, fadeaway, post game, team concept, etc etc

[@chupeicycling1668]

james had some shitty attitudes, intentionally throwing warmup clothes on the ground instead of giving it to the ball boy, imitating dirk coughing, playing the bottle game during a game versus knicks on the sidelines etc..

[@emmapeel38]

I agree. While MJ was playing, most of the public knew little about the bad stuff that he was doing - why should we assume it's not the same for LeBron? And so what if MJ slept around, partied all night, whatever, all I cared about was how he played, and led him team, from start to finish of each and every game. Plenty of games, and moments, taken off by LeBron by comparison - but hey, the numbers are still there though... This new angle of making LeBron to be a saint compared to Jordan is horseshit frankly. Jordan was tough on his teammates, sure, but during practice, and if they were doing their best during the game, he'd go right up to them, get on them, and then pat them on the ass. With LeBron, plenty of eye-rolling, ignoring, 1000-stares, passive-aggressive BS to the max, biting on his nails in blowouts (wins or losses), and quickly exiting after losing the game, a little too proud in the body language department, as though he's in the middle of a workout.

[@porkfrog2785]

'why should we assume it's not the same for LeBron?' different age. you young'ins got that social meteor and such. much harder to hide with that www.e'rybodysbidness.com stuff 'And so what if MJ slept around, partied all night, whatever' no one's asking you to care about other people's behavior.

[@chrisgowers8094]

Agreed

[@artsXart]

The problem is for Jordan to have his killer instinct, and competitiveness to a psycho level, his real personality had to match him on the floor somehow, otherwise he would not have been equipped mentally to dominate without remorse the way he did. This is why he is legendary. Change this and he is a different player.

[@TheJohnnystockman]

Weird how all the greats choose MJ, even Kobe over LeBron. LeBron is flashy. People see the oops and the nice passes. They don’t see LeBron guarding hacks on the defensive end. Also playing off ball on defense gives him more opportunity to grab boards. Boards are such an irrelevant stat. It should be challenged rebounds

[@cocobrowndude]

If you are talking about Oscar Roobertson, Isaiah Thomas, and even Scottie Pippen said LBJ is a better all around player then I think your point is invalid.

[@chrisrose7286]

What people tend to overlook. MJ was a beast on both ends of the floor. Nowadays the defensive end gets kinda overlooked. When a guy with no defense at all (James Harden) can even be MVP...

[@hiimphishy]

Agreed. That’s the thing. Jordan was a defensive monster AND he would guard the other team’s scorers. Not all of the time obviously because pippen was there, but if the game is simplified to offense and defense, Jordan wins hands down. Rebounds and assists are meaningful, but they are so overrated in today’s age where people are obsessed with the triple double. I’ll take a guy giving me 40/5/5 over someone with 25/10/10 every single day. And it’s such a hypocritical thing too when you look at how a lot of the league(players mostly) have looked down on curry for being so good on offense but lacks any real defense and will never guard scorers. Lebron doesn’t do it either. It’s just that lebron isn’t a defensive liability on defense the way curry is so it’s not talked about much

[@baka825]

MJ grabbed more offensive boards than Lebron, it tells you all about the statpadded rebounds Lebron's been getting

[@cocobrowndude]

@@hiimphishy That is not true! I grew up watching the Bulls in the 90's. That was Scottie's job. KZbin the Bulls vs Piston, Celtics, Lakers, or anybody.

[@punkguyrich]

Maybe Allen's nickname should've been "The Truth" instead of Pierce...🤔

[@kulayjams]

One of the people who is credible enough to give his opinions on this GOAT issue. He played with these guys MJ, Kobe, and Lebron and he definitely understands better than all those who don't have the experience in playing these different eras.

[@bagofboom252]

I love hearing it from someone, one of the greats no less, that has dipped his toes in both eras. It's a debate that will probably never end unfortunately but those of us that have lived thru it. Seen it. And can be 100% objective, Jordan is the G.O.A.T. And honestly, if I were making my Dream Team, LeBron would get picked up AFTER a few other players. He'd absolutely be on the team, but wouldn't even be picked in the top 3.

[@thebinarygeekfx3117]

Wonder why Air Jordans are still number 1 in shoe sales so many years after MJ retired? People remember. You could try to talk it away with statistics and what not but people remember. And when they HD up them 80s Jordan game you gonna know what's up.

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

Not true actually Jordan has slide to #2 In shoe sales. Kobes are #1 while LeBrons are #3. Now the brand is more iconic but in shoe sales Kobe making a name for best shoes.

[@thebinarygeekfx3117]

@@ohhhyeahhh1174 I stand corrected.

[@2KILLAVILLE]

Facts! So many others Greater players than LBJ..MJ , Magic, B.Russell, Wilt.C, Dr.J , Oscar, AI, Kobe,..LbJ wouldn't last against the competitive rougher 80 & 90s era..Especially not against the 89-90 piston team

[@at1212b]

@@ohhhyeahhh1174 once a new generation comes, Kobe's will fade but MJ will continue to rule.

[@lusimmons4982]

I'd say this man, rodman and Shaq have the best insight on this. Having all played a combination of with or against both.

[@rangel4three]

This is great, Allen played with all the greats. I bet he could tell you so many great stories of these goats 🐐 👏

[@shawnehutchison1584]

I totally agree with the foul calling. It's becoming more of a acting job. How can i make the foul look worse than it actually is.

[@blakelarson5005]

MJ is far above anyone. Kareem is the only one somewhat close.

[@joestuehmer7967]

Wilt was better than Kareem

[@venden5188]

Wilt? People dont recognize him and he is the most dominant basketball player of all time

[@blakelarson5005]

@@venden5188 resume doesn't come close to Jordan and Kareem.

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

@@blakelarson5005 Yeah Jerry West ain't no magic Johnson, I mean don't get me wrong the logo was a perfect player but magic made that team ran with magic not kareem. Kareem is not close to being the best LeBron isn't either.

[@lilken21]

Bill and wiltonly had like 8 teams. Stop it.

[@SteelNight7]

Ray Allen says this as a man who played with and against LeBron in his prime and against Jordan after his prime and he still doesn't hesitate to say Jordan is the GOAT. That's about as clear a perspective as you will get.

[@reyjeff4297]

Jordan passed enough for me and I remember 2 really nice passes that he did, one in the 93 finals to Paxson and another one in 97 to another guy named Kerr.