Razer failed us with the new Cobra Pro.

[@azenyr]

I might be in the minority here, but to me what makes this mouse pro is all these extra features. I'm sick and tired of all this craze about weight reduction that effectively removes all the features from the mouse and even increases the price. 70-80g is perfect when we have ALL the features for the price. Bluetooth, wireless charging, good RGB, place to store the dongle, so many great things. I love when mice have actual features.

[@1whospeaks]

Yeah even as someone who's used a sub60g mouse for 2 years and getting some awesome scores with my modded viper mini, the truth is 74g is basically not all that bad, and since I moved to the Naga X which is even more than this wireless cobra, its still not that much compared side to side to my viper mini. If you really need the shape and the weight, just remove the light diffusers and some non-destructive parts, put it back together, and there you go. I'll stick to my Naga X though that 12 button feature is insane.

[@Camilofermac]

For me its not the cobra mouse the problem, the problem is they replaced it for the viper series

[@nivrag00]

same here, im also a huge fan of how it looks, especially the white version. mine gets to me on Tuesday!

[@radhikalesmana_04]

razer be making anything but the viper mini wireless 😅

[@noxzaz1076]

But they did.

[@controllex_]

@@noxzaz1076280 dollars

[@radhikalesmana_04]

@@noxzaz1076 the signature edition, i know. But it's crazy expensive. What i meant (and what we want) is the *regular* viper mini, just with no cables.

[@Ayannnnnnn]

İf u need viper mini go signuture, hard capitalism

[@d1kgaws12]

What a dedicated “f*ck you” streak. They’d rather waste more resources on a new product line than use less resources to just put the wireless tech into the Viper Mini chassy and call it a day. This isn’t laziness. It’s dedication to avoid doing a relatively simple thing.

[@Shmug1e]

Same thoughts here on this coBRUH mouse. Been rocking the v2 pro for about 3 months and was seeing what Razer might bring out next. Wasn’t expecting this thing. Anyways I digress, well produced video Frank. Keep up the amazing work!

[@wintersoldier4269]

Lol if you have the v2 pro u don’t need anything else.. unless u have small feminine hands then u need the mini I’d say

[@BrawndoQC]

I love the v2 but it is a bit too long for me, so I ordered the Co-bruh.

[@dienekes6420]

I abandoned all this super expensive mouse nonsense and went back to basics with the Orochi V2. No rgb, no extra buttons, no crazy features. Just a solid lightweight mouse, with great shape, and mechanical switches. Been rocking this baby for a year for like 39 USD and I'm absolutely in love with it.

[@jonasmerrell2770]

This mouse makes the new finalmouse ulx look like a deal. This mouse is $160 if you want 4k polling. Thr ulx is 8k and 29g less than half the weight for $190.

[@eakmadashma]

So glad you're talking about this. So many of us just wanted a viper mini but without the cable which they could have easily done if they just put the ultimate v2 internals into a viper mini but getting this hurts so bad so those of us waiting so long and were disappointed with the signature edition.

[@greippuli9166]

tbh I used to rock the viper mini, BUT just got a lamzu atlantis mini and wtf, the shapes just that much better

[@d1kgaws12]

They think they can make us buy what we probably can’t afford.

[@bruddah_]

You’d be wrong with so many of us. A razer worker has stated, only very small niche market was asking for this, and it was not selling well at all. Retailers didn’t care for a razer viper mini wireless, and RGB sells.

[@adriannasyraf3534]

razer must be obligated to fulfill your entitlement

[@Agent_Alpha]

I kinda like this, cause the weight around 70-80g does not bother me at all, in fact i like the medium weight like that, not too light and not too heavy. I'm using a Basilisk X Hyperspeed with AAA batteries (weights around ~80g) and Viper Ultimate, and the RGB and how the mouse looks kinda resonates with my taste

[@3choblast3r4]

You do you bro. These guys are obessed with mice getting lighter and lighter. Pretty soon they'll just be using a pcb on some scates hitting the switches directly

[@Agent_Alpha]

@@3choblast3r4 Yeah just recently switch to the Deathadder V3 Pro, 63 grams is actually quite the sweet spot, not too light, just heavy enough to avoid that "cheap" feeling. Don't think it would bother me too much if it's 70-75 grams either, the shape is just top-notch in the Ergo scene right now, i really like it

[@3choblast3r4]

@@Agent_Alpha What a coincidence lol.. I got my deathadder v3 pro in the mail today. EDIT: I sent it back after testing it for a week or so. It was so light it felt like a kinderegg toy. The shape, although in the end wasn't as nice as the g502 shape for my medium sized hands. The lack of extra buttons was the real culprit. and the fact that it costs an insane 160 euro.

[@JakeFPS1]

My basilisk is 106g with a battery

[@Agent_Alpha]

@@latiosanime5423 who ask ? lol

[@willwunsche6940]

If it included a dock, the higher polling rate and was slightly lighter I think I'd be interested. I still really love the dock, built in side grips, and 4 side buttons of my Razer Viper Ultimate with the light weight. But I have no reason to upgrade right now, I am more than happy with my current mouse

[@kaeroseon]

The thing with the dock is that you will always be trading off weight for dock charging. So it’s one or the other. So you could realistically get close to 70g but probably not under 65. Same with RGB.

[@willwunsche6940]

@@kaeroseon For me it's worth the trade and I don't mind that much. I am still lucky enough to be Masters top 500 NA in Overwatch I am more than satisfied with what I have accomplished. My other friend is top 500 Overwatch GM1 and he has the slightly heavier g pro wireless and 120hz display "only". I like to play a bunch of other stuff too like Terraria, Battlefield, Galactic Contention, etc. etc. etc. Many of which are a little more casual, for fun. And I love just being able to take it off the dock, have the 4 programmable side buttons, and the comfy side pads. My family likes the rgb logo too funnily enough

[@BrawndoQC]

I always forget to put my ultimate on the dock. So I gave up and just have a USB-C cable ready for when it starts flashing. Also, my grips are now flat.

[@willwunsche6940]

@@BrawndoQC I just have mine on my desk right behind my mouse pad so it's natural to leave it there when not using, as the micro-usb cable feels unnecessarily "harder" to me when I can just easily drop it on the magnetic sticky pad. My pads are still fine luckily, so maybe I don't grip the mouse as hard.

[@BrawndoQC]

@@willwunsche6940 I have a smooth grip, but over time, doesn't matter, it will flatten out eventually. Took about 2 years. 3M grip flattens faster, that's like 6 months it took on my V2 Pro.

[@filipbunalti]

They have Basilisk V3 PRO and Naga V2 PRO as well. Kinda insane to get stuck on the PRO naming for so long.

[@JamesABloomfield]

For Razer I think "pro" just means "wireless" - Same deal with their headsets and keyboards too. They're not the only company where "pro" is a meaningless word either, Samsung and Apple are just as bad. Do you only buy an iPhone 14 "Pro Max" if you use it for work? As for this product, I think it's just for people who like the Viper shape but want Chroma, and I think there's a market for that.

[@boardzy]

what the flip

[@randomfrankp]

This is def not seal worthy

[@ZiaMcFia]

omg 2 tech reviewers crazy In boardzy's interpretations, I agree with rfp

[@YoXstar-gg]

Boardzy

[@vladivanovich]

I have a different take, I think that’s a perfect lineup, the viper lineup is already super saturated and not everyone wants a mouse whose selling point is the lightness. So if the cobra has the dock compatibility and is not as skimmed down on features or “streamlined” like the viper line is, I think this is smart. I wish they add a third button on the side, remove the rbg and cut the weight down a bit and this is a guaranteed buy from me. Sticking to my orochi v2 but wishing I had the SteelSeries aerox 5.

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

and add back the other side side buttons, because those are really useful

[@Reveries0129]

this feels more like it's replacing the OG Viper Ultimate. Similar shape, similar weight, just smaller. I actually prefer the 2 DPI buttons under the scroll wheel* instead of the 2 extra side buttons on the right side of the mouse, makes it way easier to click. I also have a viper mini that I use for work and I find myself missing the DPI button on my OG Ultimate. if this is the normal Viper size I might have copped it tbh

[@puresesh7985]

agreed these fps kids that think a mouse with slightly less weight is going to be that difference from them being trash at the game are funny.

[@mbj920]

we have to wait for the pro "v2" version of this... here goes another year of waiting......

[@MrVlodato]

The side grips are actually a sour point for me on my last razer mouse. The mamba pro i think it was. After a year or so it started feeling sticky and weird even after being cleaned.

[@co9zyPj645Q]

Intentional design obsolescence so consumers would have to buy new mouses within a few years. Have you tried buying third party grip/tape? Doesn't solve the issue of degrading grips but it could prolong the use your mouse.

[@YuProducciones]

It seems strange to me that they put so much personal feeling in the face of their disappointment with this mouse because their expectations were different. 1. 75-90g is not a negative in a mouse, many of us like that weight range. 2. Light zones is something that many of us miss, don't you see that there are PC hardware with RGB and WITHOUT RGB? This mouse is something like that, it's our option, if you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's something negative. OPTIONS its a positive. 3. I love hearing that RandomFrankp and a couple of other youtubers said that there is really nothing wrong with the performance of this mouse, it means that it is a good mouse itself!. 4. I really love RAZER its giving you the option of different bundles, because guess what, most of us don't care about 4k poling rate, or a special dock. OPTIONS, again, are AWESOME. 5. the shape, materials, its wireless, nice software, RGB, great sensor. No, RAZER its not going backwards because you guys wanted the mini-viper, its a great mouse dudes. chill!!

[@VVSPRINCE]

found the moronic shill

[@LDixonFPS]

Dude. They litterally promised early 2023 for a light weight viper mini wireless in the summer. They did fail the thousands of people who were asking for this which is what prompted razer to develop this mouse. They didnt deliver on their promise but they did deliver a rgb fied +18grams and change in design of the viper mini. Ill make it simple, (pro = light weight wireless top specs) (ultimate = rgb + wirelesss/more built up so heavier) when they dropped the viper v2 pro people WERE asking for a viper mini v2 pro which they confirmed in a popular sub reddit r/mousereview but they dropped the cobra pro. Can you sympathise with that? I know for a fact thousands asked for this but almost nobody asked for the cobra pro.

[@franko9710]

I would have bought this immediatly if it was 50 grams or so. the cobra actually addressed the issues that most people had with the viper with it being too flat and wide. Hope they come out with an actual pro version of this. The shape looks perfect.

[@fjkuwe]

i like it because it is flat and wide

[@dewbe5327]

The weight isnt the reason your stuck in silver. God bless

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

Not sure what you ended up doing but the wired Cobra is just 58 grams. The shape is basically the same.

[@acsgdo02]

I'm in love with egg shaped Orochi V2 they should make a V3 instead of wasting R&D budget for designs like this

[@SSG31420]

For people like me who are used to about 70 gram mouses its a perfect pick cuz it has rbg like the basilik and is sinilar to the vipers which is exactly what ive been wanting

[@latiosanime5423]

Mi ratón tiene 200 gramos xd y no me quejo como el tío del vídeo

[@nadnad2698]

they expect to make a brand new product with Cobra, but instead people calling it the New Razer Viper Mini

[@TheShapeshifter]

I think if this mouse weighed less than the Viper V2, it would've been good to go. Mouse looks pretty cool to be honest.

[@danielsgrunge]

Razer would rather chew glass than release a wireless viper mini

[@willwunsche6940]

I just want a Razer Viper Ultimate 2 with dock, ambidextrous buttons for my bindings, and side grips. This looks close to that but I don't need the RGB and I want the dock/features included.

[@hennwei]

naw. you dont want built in sidegrips.. those suck once they wear out you gotta change the whole mouse.

[@willwunsche6940]

​@@hennweiMy sidegrips are wearing down on my Razer Viper Ultimate a little but they are still fine. I did have a problem with the sidegrips on my old Razer Deathadder Elite falling off; but I have really enjoyed them on my VU and have had no major problems so far

[@zuckoVAL]

@@willwunsche6940 why tho? they suck, they barely provide any grip, and itd probably be cheaper for Razer to put in a extra set of real functioning grip tape anyways. i have literal finger indents on my original viper bc the rubber sucks that much. just ask for them on the side, which theyve done with almost every single mouse released

[@willwunsche6940]

@@zuckoVAL I mostly just like the comfort and I like it being seamlessly attached to mouse's surface. I haven't tried the grip tape yet, so I guess I don't have a good baseline for the experience. I guess I worry it wouldn't be as nice or come off over time. Maybe that's not the case.

[@orimu836]

They should've just made a Mini version of the Viper v2 pro but with TTC Sliver/Gold scroll wheel encoder this time. My scroll wheel broke after few months of use, it became jumpy. Its such a shame because I loved how my White Viper V2 Pro looked. Im now using a White Lamzu atlantis mini.

[@RegularRetro]

I can see an audience for this. Companies have ditched RGB in favor of weight the past few years. Everything that comes out is completely barebones for hyper competitive gamers. This to me is a jack of all trades mouse. Like if you wanted one mouse for your desktop, and laptop, with RGB, rechargeable, top tier sensor, and still sub 80g. This is not a bad option to me if you just need a lot of boxes checked.

[@phobophobian7765]

I think Razer (and other manufactures) realize that there's a lot of people who want a high performing mouse but would not just let go of how their "setup" looks. So, I guess this mouse is for the FPS gamer that dabbles and plays seriously, but not for the eSports user that plays to compete, or finds most fun in competing and is not into looks as much.

[@joeh9532]

The DA V3 pro has been perfect for me, I won't be switching anytime soon. I feel like they just threw the cobra together for a money grab but I could be wrong.

[@defu8592]

A razer rep said the “pro” is now just being used for indicating the flagship version of whatever it’s attached to. Just like how “x” versions are budget. He said they had too many labels like “ultimate” “elite” “pro” so now it’s all just pro.

[@TinoBurkhalter]

77g isn't even an Issue... There was time where almost every pro in CS:GO was using Zowie EC2-B or even EC1... EC2 is 90g in wheight btw... Then the lightwheight trend started, with all the mice with holes so we've come to 60grams / sub 60 grams. That developed further where we've been able to build mice sub 60 even without holes. It's a lot of marketing - thinking 77g is a problem in playing fps just shows how well advertising / marketing worked over the last couple of years and media coverage is going the same route.. Additionally I would also argue that a lot of people would aim better in FPS if their mouse is heavier than those mini sized mice with 60/sub 60g, because it can lead to more stability based on your hand dexterity and lead to more consistency... like said, marketing did a great job the last couple of years... smaller and lighter equals better... Personally i think shape is a lot more important than 10-15g more or less in wheight.... People just expected a viper mini from the cobra pro, that will probably be the case down the road if a cobra v2 pro is released without rgb and such gimmicks. However If you dig the shape/size and the cost doesn't bother you, there is no reason to not get a cobra pro....

[@Samuel_Potvin]

Everybody is asking for a simple wireless Viper mini: Razer gives us a special signature edition wireless Viper Mini thing made of exotic materials that looks like Swiss cheese with a nonsense price tag. Everybody is discouraged: Razer gives us a wireless glowing rock that looks like a Viper Mini but it's not a Viper Mini and call it a pro mouse still with a nonsense price tag. Thank you Razer.

[@phu_uz]

Thank you for calling them out with this baffling product that no one asked for. All we wanted was a viper v2 pro mini version.

[@2wcp]

Razer is becoming the "Apple" of gaming peripherals Reasons: 1. They are shamelessly charging consumers way more just because 1 or 2 features that they did well but gets out-competed at the rest. 2. To fully utilize their product, you simply have to spend more cash to their other products (instead of getting everything all at once) Anti consumer sucks, so I ditched Apple, and I ditched Razer two years ago and never been happier.

[@filipbunalti]

Name one thing they get out-competed in except the featherweight thing you nerds keep harping about. There is no mouse at any price point with this feature set.

[@hayden1255]

​@filipbunalti let's see: they have the worst software out of any company, the ptfe feet are at best fine compared to gwolves or final mouse, sensor is significantly more vulnerable to dust, and yes the weight is complete garbage

[@BravenTyler]

I just got this mouse, and honestly the hate on it is pretty ridiculous. It's misunderstood in it's design. 1: Razer is keeping the Viper to the Viper family, the SE was the special release. This one is for mass market purchasing and creating a new mouse for the future. Granted, it's not new to an extent, but it makes sense to the loyal mini fans. 2: Razer signature is it's RGB aesthetics, they would be crazy to not include that. This gives the fans RGB along with the performance. 3: the weight is not even noticeable change from the Viper 8khz, and like randomfrankp says, it's back heavy ONLY with the wireless charging puck, not the og puck or even the puck removed. 4: it's there most solid build to date, feels as premium as it is. 5: this is able to be used in an eSports competitive environment, if they made every mouse extremely lightweight they would be missing out on those who want the aesthetics and don't care about weight. I have a review coming soon, a non biased thoughtful review that'll put into speculation of the mouse. All I can say for now is, you definitely won't be disappointed if you are looking for that 4khz polling, solid build and aesthetics with performance guarenteed, and no it doesn't need to be stripped down entirely, Ive used all kinds of mice and it's great especially on a glass pad.

[@田梓成-q9x]

I just bought this mouse few days ago. For me wireless charge, blue tooth and RGB lighting worth more than just lose 25g weight. I really dont think RAZER make this mouse for those hardcore players, it's more like an all around flagship mouse can be use for gaming as well as daliy use and doing office work

[@MERZS]

as someone who is a fan of the viper mini and even went out of my way to get a custom viper mini with a 305 internal, I am very disappointed that the cobra pro is even here to begin with. as someone who is in the Mouse enthusiast scene, we have been asking razer to just release a viper mini wireless in the format that they use for the viper and deathadder mice. But instead we got a 130 usd, 77grams, rgb vomit, rubberized side grip mouse, that legit 0 people asked for.

[@jonglaser4468]

i was going to say it was made for me until I saw that it wasnt ambidextrous. It reminded me of the lancehead until I notice the lack of buttons on the right side..BUMMER

[@Delbs1]

Feels like Razer just went FULL BALLISTIC on letting the public down. Suddenly they went completely out of touch... People that wanted the Cobra wouldn't want such a heavy, RGB-vomit and terrible material choice product. I am definitely mad, as a VPM user

[@dauntingkitty]

Honestly I kinda like it. Definitely won’t buy it at full price but I’m not a heavy FPS player at all so the weight isn’t an issue (plus I like the added Bluetooth so I can use it on my steam deck and laptop)

[@Hwasabi_MLBB]

they make it for people like me. who went from the RVU to the V2 pro back to RVU who choose RGB+dock over light weight. this mouse seems interesting to me but i probably wait another year or so before buying this.

[@willwunsche6940]

I have to agree it seems like a true successor to Viper Ultimate. Only thing is I don't need the extra RGB and wish it included the dock + high polling rate feature without needing to buy more. I am still more than happy with my VU so this doesn't feel like much/enough of an upgrade for me to justify buying a new one yet

[@Hwasabi_MLBB]

@@willwunsche6940 there's a reason why i got back to the VU, because i dont FPS much in recent thus i dont need the "lightweight" . i got an RMA on my V2 Pro because the wireless fail me suddenly and lucky enough to get a fresh box to sell it away. i pick the VU again because it was the only option last month but then if i were to choose now it will be the Cobra Pro. i have to say the side button and the new optical switch is better now but you wouldnt notice unless you went back in time like me. and yes the extra charge on the dock sucks. i probably wait till a price drop next year to get a cobra. i change mouse annually for some reason

[@attaac]

I hope the viper mini wireless is still coming😢😢

[@MadmanLink]

Whoa Frank, tell us how you really feel. Nice review, glad to see you are back!

[@KnightlySpartan]

Actually this is perfect thing for me. I'm not a pro gamer, and I like the RGB bling of the Basilisk, but Basilisk is too heavy for my daily use and the extra features are not as important to me. I daily driver the Viper Mini and the Logitech M720. And this is looking like the best combination for me. I can use it with 2.4Ghz dongle on PC, and with Bluetooth on my work laptop.

[@mindinversions4487]

I'm gonna raise my hand here: older gamer, V2 pro is a bit TOO slick for me with the glass mouse feet, but the Naga series has always been 130g. Mid 70s is a good mid ground, though we'll see if the weight distribution is subjective. .... and I'm nostalgic over the RGB. Most of it I can let die, but I'm a sucker for a well done RGB mouse >< Call it Schadenfreude but I just pulled the trigger on one.

[@TinoBurkhalter]

For me the viper v2 pro is just a tad bit to wide (based on my handsize)... 77g is totally fine imho, considering an ec2-b wheighs 90g and to this day i adore this mouse for its shape where the wheight was never ever an issue! i also pulled the trigger to check out the shape, not worrying about the wheight at all...

[@Acyris]

I don't understand the hate the Cobra Pro is getting. Feature-wise, it's everything I've wanted from a Razer mouse-wireless, precise sensor, optical switches, perfect RGB zones, lightweight, and cool aesthetic. The only negative I could see is the price.

[@jacobfield4848]

"Hyperx Pulsefire Haste 2 Mini" seems to be the Viper Mini wireless that people want.

[@NxghtK]

bro i feel like they made Cobra pro disappointing on purpose, because if the razer viper mini wireless was actually released i think that people would not recommend buying the Razer Viper mini SE because of it's price, and razer being a greedy little donkey figured that out.

[@LDixonFPS]

yes very true did not even think of that

[@Bizarro1606]

Youre not technically wrong at the end... Even tho razer did sell the v2 a lot but they didnt sell nearly as much as logitech did with their gpx superlight imo (according to the couple of recent valorant tournaments, i didnt notice too many pro players using viper ultimate v2)... Its a shame that big companies like razer and logitech dont care much about their customers opinion yet somehow make money by getting people to buy their product... 🥴

[@Blackeye1987]

sadly thats the mice for me a bit heavier ambi bt + 2.4ghz the only downside for me is the additional dlck features

[@RayCrush2008]

At this point i gave up on any hopes that they will refresh the Mamba.Seems like its time to go back to my Superlight.

[@evilkamatis542]

Because of these new competitors like Lamzu, Pulsar and Ninjutso.. mainstream big brands are now so clueless on what products they will release. I totally do not understand why when they are the big player, they are mostly the ones who fails to deliver what is asked from the community.

[@haiperr6861]

Patiently waiting for the viper mini to be released…

[@AlexDresko]

I think Razer made this for me. I'm a software developer. Weight and balance are not things I've ever noticed in a mouse. For my mobile setup, I need a smaller form factor, bluetooth mouse, with optical switches. RGB is icing on the cake. I never had the Viper mini, but I've had several other Razer and Logi mice.

[@Nickentowd]

this might be the first time imma disagree with you frank. "Pro" naming scheme aside, i genuinely think i would love to have this mouse. i currently use a pulsar xlite which i do love, but before that i used a DA v2 pro. the lightweight pulsar is great to use, but there are times when i miss using the old DA. it's not even the dock that i missed (it is nice to leave your mouse on the dock and have it charged when you wanna use it tho), it's the 2 dpi buttons on the top of the mouse. i used it to play/pause and skip songs. I know it's not that big of a deal but it is really nice to have that when you're just chilling around. i also dont mind the weight despite being about 30grams heavier (i think as long as it's under or around 90 it's fine). but i do see why you and other people would be mad at this mouse because of what it could've been, a viper mini wireless

[@randomfrankp]

Well that doesnt necessarily add up...if you use the Xlite (ergo) and before the DA V2 Pro (ergo) then this probably wouldnt be for you since its smaller than both those ergo models and the fact this is ambi

[@Nickentowd]

@@randomfrankp i dont quite mind the smaller ambi shape. i actually still have a wired viper mini that i currently use as an on the go mouse (the holes on the xlite kinda scare me) and sometimes to game casually with (idk if it's just me but sometimes i do like to change my grip style just to spice it up). i think that's why i find this mouse to be quite interesting. should've added that from the start tho lol. the mouse isnt something that would replace the xlite but i think it'll be a good addition. you did make some valid point on your vid, "pros" probably wont be using this as their main. but i think the more casual users would be interested in this

[@TheFederer9999]

I think the reasoning behind Razer creating the Cobra product line is to cater to the Viper Ultimate and V2 fans. The new Viper V3 Hyperspeed clearly is done with the form factor that the Viper Ultimate or the Viper V2 Pro has, and is trying to mimic the Logitech G Pro X form factor (since the superlight version saw better sales than the V2 Pro). So now, since the Viper line is going to a more GPX-like form factor from now on, Razer is mantaining the old Viper form factor through the Cobra line. It makes sense when you look at it this way. The difference in weight I'm guessing it's because if they reduce the weight of the Cobra Pro, it will have a clash in sales with the high in demand Viper Mini Signature Edition. Perhaps Razer will drop down the weight of the Cobra Pro in a new version once they discontinue the Mini Signature Edition.

[@LDixonFPS]

Yes this is what people dont understand. The viper name has become the competitor for th GPX market. But they promised a ligthweight viper mini wireless in 2023 and dropped the cobra so it kinda contradicts what they said.

[@br3nnabee]

I feel like getting wrapped up on the 'pro' naming scheme is not rly worth it. Basilisk pro and Naga pro also exist, and those are even heftier. You asked what the target audience would be, I'd say those who want an ambi mouse but with more bells and whistles, similar to a Basilisk.

[@randomfrankp]

So by your logic, this is for people who want the Viper Ultimate to be smaller, but heavier, and not include the dock? All after a 4 year window? Nah

[@br3nnabee]

@@randomfrankp this isn't a viper and isn't intended for the same crowd?? Like, in case the fact that it had a different name didn't tip you off, it's clearly intended for a different audience. I personally love my Basilisk (regardless of weight), and if I wanted an ambi I think I'd probably go for the cobra just because not everyone wants the most ultra light mouse, and I think that sometimes people forget that not everyone has the same preferences as them. The viper mice are an excellent line that hold up even after a few years, however there hasn't been anything like a cobra since the 2015 diamondback tbh.

[@eglorious-yt]

How was this not called the Viper Ultimate V2 Mini?

[@noxalbus]

What's happening with razer now is that, they're sending stuff only to a couple of people and listening exclusively to them. Like, literally a day ago the Razer iems were sent to a few folks, notably excluding crinacle, who's a singapore local and an audio reviewer who actually went to razer hq to give advice. It's like they're internally confused at what to do at this point.

[@84jdgregory]

"It's back heavy." It's sitting on a table.

[@Zeft64]

in my experince a mouse being light has diminishing returns after a point. this is for people that want the shape of the viper and all the basalisk features. grip will always be much more important than the mouse being light if you ask me. i do better with a heavy mouse that i can grip well

[@lenardbartha6722]

Thanks Frank for the review. However we didnt get the usual click sounds...

[@Kaptn_Morgan]

Viper Ultimate is btw also 74g.

[@zatharos6427]

Frank, your “pro” argument of being a lightweight nomenclature falls flat if you remember the basilisk v3 pro exists (112 grams). The pro nomenclature is more akin to be the replacement for the ultimate sub-line rather than being a dedicated lightweight sub-line. Keep in mind the old viper ultimate, which this cobra is obviously is its successor, was 74 grams. Not that much heavier than the ultimate it replaces.

[@akerouge3519]

Razer should simply change their naming scheme to reflect the features of their various gaming mice. They should kind of follow how the naming schemes goes with the automotive industry. "Pro" should be the moniker for mice that are performance oriented with enough physical features, but with the main highlight being lightweight. "Ultimate" should be the moniker for mice that still retains performance, but come with additional physical features than the norm with support for all that Chroma RGB and stuff at the expense of heavier weight. "X" and "Essential" should be just named "X" and will be entry-level offerings with limited features such as wired mode only and more basic performance, but still worthy. And lastly, no monikers at all should be for mice that are in that sweet middle spot in price and features. Offering that middle ground. In my opinion, the Cobra Pro should've been just named the Cobra and the Cobra should've been just named the Cobra X.

[@thawzie]

pretty sure they made this the way it is because of how similar it is to the viper mini when it comes to shape.

[@bigpuffa]

Pwnage Ultra Custom Sym 2 that you recommended has been my main mouse for 2 years. I basically call it a Viper Mini wireless

[@avenliyanagamage]

Thanks for the honest reviews... great content as always

[@Billy_The_Frog]

Why does it feel like they took one big step back. It feels like they designed the Cobra a few years ago alongside the basilisk but only decided to release it now. The design is fine on the basilisk cause it has more functions, but to put it on a mini mouse and make it heavier is just dumb imo. I hope this isn't the final version of the "viper mini wireless"

[@aviganis]

for someone like me who uses a 95g mouse for 15 pounds this mouse is way better with way more options and features, idk why anyone is complaining about this mouse, my mouse i used felt really nice and comfortable and light enough, everything is great with no disadvantages or negatives about it, i found prices elsewhere for even cheaper than from the razer website where it would cost 130 pounds or 170 dollars and where i could get one for 100 pounds that's brand new and not used at all

[@Nuck-Fo0bZz]

Pro = more money. Therefore pro for everything.

[@brantonmoore]

RFP called it 100% right here. Razer fan base has been wanting a wireless mini since it came out and for whatever reason Razer continues to drag their heels. I guess Razer doesn’t believe in the saying, “Strike while the iron is hot”.

[@tevinslawson]

I could’ve sworn you criticized the viper v2 pro like crazy for calling itself a “pro” mouse while taking away a ton of features that were on the viper ultimate. I think this mouse looks pretty interesting since I don’t think 75gs is heavy at all. Agree that it’s overpriced though

[@randomfrankp]

I literally addressed my Viper V2 Pro review criticism in this video lol, gotta watch before you comment

[@jimboc669]

Looks like someone didn't watch the whole video before commenting

[@d1kgaws12]

This isn’t laziness. It’s a dedicated “f*ck you”. They would rather waste more resources on a new product line than just use less resources and put their latest wireless tech in a Viper Mini chassy. If I had that much to spend I’d just wait for 10 more bucks or a sale and buy a DA v3 pro or Viper v2 pro.

[@mattgibbia2692]

76 grams is not heavy. But weight aside there is no point of this over the viper or basilisk depending on the features you want

[@notTerabyte]

Compared to what people were expecting and wanting, the mouse weighs almost double what people wanted on the mouse.

[@tedli2017]

its kinda heavy consider the form factor is smaller so it will fill more dense

[@itbutcher1838]

I mean, price makes more sense than having to pay $150 for a ligher mouse with no other defining features other than being lighter.

[@paulmartinez34]

I wish razer will make a high end wired version of the cobra / rvm just like on dav3 wired 8khz

[@kaeroseon]

Feels like a side project they’ve had since forever but abandoned and then they just decided to say “release it anyway”

[@mikkelguy]

failed us big time yeah

[@RanveerV2]

One of the first Ls I’ve seen razer take

[@syedrehanfida]

I'm still waiting for the low profile keyboards comparison vid, Mr. Frank...

[@leitao5710]

I think that this mouse is for normal players who doesn't care about the height and want a good mouse. I have a viper ultimate and if this broke down i would consider buy the cobra pro, it has all the features i wanted

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

Instead of complaining about the weight, just get the wired cobra which is way cheaper and weights just 58 grams, that's even less than viper mini, provided you like this shape, of course.

[@StopperJJ]

$130 for a dock-less, heavier, lazy copy of another mouse in their line up? Pass. On top of all that you get the "joy" of continuing to have to use synapse. HARD PASS.

[@bluetitan2560]

I just wanna say why are companies keep bringing glossy plastic back in 2023?

[@MrEnder0001]

this feels like what the viper v2 pro should have been

[@SznZae]

I’m just glad you stick to your guns vs stroking big company’s egos and boosting their sells on products that don’t even fit what customers want

[@SkineBread1]

I've actually been waiting for a mouse like this for so long. I didn't upgrade because I didn't want to lose my RGB and the ability to use a dock, but I also didn't want to have to go for a heavy mouse like the Basilisk or the Naga. So, to answer your question, the mouse is for us RGB and dock lovers who wanted something as light as possible given those features, and it's good that Razer decided to do this because now thay can satisfy all types of costumers, which is only good for them. The Viper mini wireless will come, you just have to wait some months, as I did for years for a mouse like this.

[@haishawang9339]

appreciate razer making a mouse for this guy while the community keeps on waiting for the actual viper mini wireless. cuz it's either that or the 300 dollar "special edition"

[@SkineBread1]

@@haishawang9339 I can bet anything it'll come out this year.

[@josiah6249]

If it was cheap it would be cool but $130 is ridiculous considering how many better options there are for that price

[@casualjay909]

Really disappointed with Razer on this product. You were spot on with everything. Love the videos and always look forward to your input on new products.

[@natandirt]

It's just a mouse for normal gamers, they dont care about weight, they care about rgb , docking and functionality. The truth is, only enthusiasts want the wireless rvm, probably not even 1% of gamers

[@Conno422]

imo it's a mouse for casual gamers that just want a nice looking setup. The RGB says it all. Any lighter than around 70g, a non-enthusiast/competitive gamer would think it feels cheap so the weight of high 70s is perfectly fine. For mixed use of gaming and productivity, that weight is quite serviceable.

[@nickcomer8354]

Im glad they made the Cobra Pro. Ive been rocking a Lancehead since they were released and have adored it. Still going absolutely strong! Having the Cobra delivered tomorrow though as it appears to be the closest to the Lancehead with all the fun bells and whistles I like in a gaming mouse.

[@LDixonFPS]

The main thing is that most people wanted a viper mini with top specs and wireless internals. This wasnt made FOR you it just happened that you liked it

[@ajmalo6248]

the only reason why this exists is because if you don't like the heaviness of the basilisk but like the docking ability as well as you like the lightweight viper v2 pro but don't wanna charge via cable this meets you right in the middle as a lightweight and yes 77g is lightweight and versatile mouse that has all the "pro" features and a few extras.

[@jm8080ful]

Great review! this mouse release is a rare L from Razer's mouse releases since the Viper v1

[@fjkuwe]

the viper is good. what u talking abt

[@Spubbles]

In my opinion I do like how the RGB looks but that's probably just me, I don't like how heavy it is. 76 grams is a disappointment really. I just wish Razer would listen to the fans and give us what we want. I would see anyone using this only if they had no clue about mice or any of the specifications.

[@youdama3071]

This makes me so disappointed, always, razer does one thing right and 3 things wrong, you know they can do it, but they just refuse to do it.

[@heyitsmejm4792]

what's up with big tech companies doing the opposite or just straight up avoiding things that the consumers wanted?? 😂😂

[@stevenkinlin8271]

This video really helped thank you!! I was going to buy this mouse.. The wireless version. Not anymore I have the Razer Viper Ultimate. Not the version 2.

[@mrWILLAZZ]

Pro is like iPhone Pro series, lightweight viper is like trimmed down version of iPhone, iPhone SE

[@iidogninjx]

Long time basilisk user here. I was thinking about switching to a Ambi mouse and I was looking at the cobra but know I don't know what to do.

[@grant103]

i really hate the rubber side grips cuz after a few months they start to sink ink on my thumb part

[@justrob1453]

I think this might be an attempt from razer to come up with a new line up of mouse which combines competetive with extra features, the shape is obviously razer being on the safer side.

[@d1kgaws12]

They probably saw the Harpe Ace and tried to make a lightweight feature packed mouse and failed on the lightweight part (compared to now).

[@salemkhamis6788]

Im dissapointed there is no scroll wheel left and right click only reason im sticking with the basilisk