RAZER Gaming Keypads WARNING Before You Buy!! RAZER Tartarus V2 & RAZER Orbweaver

[@CuthbertNibbles]

This video can be boiled down to one sentence, "Razer gamepads don't output modifier key combinations to keys that are already pressed down before the modifier." And summarizing the essay below, Razer is right, this is the proper way of doing it and what you're asking for doesn't make sense. 6:27 - 6:42 is a great demo of your concern. However, what you're describing as proper functionality is entirely opinion-based, you've objectively analyzed the behavior of these Razer keypads, but you assume that "how it's supposed to work" and "how I prefer it to work" are the same thing. Razer, and many other gaming peripheral manufacturers (Logitech and Corsair for example), integrate functions of keyboards at a very low level to allow maximum flexibility, reliability, speed and interoperability. When a keyboard sends a keystroke to a PC, it doesn't send it at the level you perceive it as, "this key is being held down", it sends it using a protocol similar to MIDI, specifically, "this key has been pressed down" and "this key has been released". When you press a keyboard combination, for example, CTRL + V, the actual data going over the wire are "Left Control Pressed Down", "V Pressed Down", "V Released" "Left Control Released". Why is this important? You're using the keypad wrong because you 'learned' on the old keypad, which used some proprietary software to override this behavior and artificially interrupt this sequence. What you're supposed to do is leave the movement keys for movement only, they occupy your index, middle and ring fingers. The remaining keys around those 4 are used for things like weapon switches, secondary actions or other functions mapped to keys. The fact that you could switch weapons by hitting the shift-key is the exception and would not work on any other device. Try copying some text into your clipboard, hold "V", and then tap CTRL. If you were right - if the behavior you're looking for was proper functionality, your keyboard would paste. But it won't. Not on a Mac, not on Windows, not on Linux, not with Razer, Corsair, Logitech, not with my 10 year old emachines PS/2 keyboard or wireless Chinese mini-keyboard, and not with any other keyboard on any other computer. This is the correct way of doing modifier keys, games look for modifier-press, action-press combinations to trigger a certain event when that sequence is recognized. You may not like it, that's fine, you're entitled to an opinion but you didn't contribute to the development of the HID standard because you didn't know enough about computer-peripheral interaction, and that's why we're doing things (from an engineering point of view) the right way, not your way. One of the main reasons key-presses are registered like this is so you can combine key-combinations from multiple devices without proprietary mixing software. If the gamepad is the only one aware that a modifier key is being pressed, it'll be the only one able to benefit from that keypress. Take a control-click for example. If only your keyboard is aware that the control modifier key is being held down, your computer would have no way of knowing that you're trying to control-click on something. But since the control press down command is sent to the computer (followed by left-mouse-button down), your computer is able to interpret this combination across two devices. The Razer keypads simply send which keys are being depressed or released to the computer, Razer's software captures these keystrokes and adds enhanced functionality (like RGB lighting and hypershift) but these aren't necessary for you to string key combinations together. When you hit the thumb key followed by the "W", you're not actually shifting what gets sent to the computer by hitting "W", you're sending "Key 20 Down" "Key 8 Down". The game you're playing can (if coded properly) pick this up, and you can, without Razer's software, configure the thumb-shift key and the middle-mouse button to execute an action. This will work on any computer, Mac, Linux, any hardware, it's completely future proof. This is why Razer won't "fix" this, because Razer doesn't want to completely break the functionality of their gamepads with 99% of games on the market, force everyone using hybrid (Razer gamepad, Logitech mouse for example) to switch exclusively to Razer so they can combine gamepad shift keys with other keys on other devices, by doing so they'd say "screw you, we're doing things my way" to the computer industry. Not even CISCO (60% market share) is daring enough to take on globally accepted standards with their own products and standards, because when you do that, you end up like the Belkin Nostromo.

[@mrunfortunate1013]

Cuthbert Nibbles im conflicted. Im on console looking to switch to pc and im not used to the keyboard so i thought using a gamepad would be better. Me thinking this guy was a know it all and then reading this comment has really taken my head for a loop. Can i just simply put it down to preference?

[@boface187]

Thank you! I almost just spent 35 minutes trying to figure out what this guy's problem with these gamepad's are.

[@alfonsovegaiii]

Dominic Almada Fernandes Just get used to the keyboard, once you’re used to it you’ll never want to use a controller again. Also with these keypads can’t you just assign weapon changes to the dpad to use your thumb? I used to play smite with a G13 and I would use the joystick to execute different commands and used WASD to move like normal.

[@aeoteroa818]

@@mrunfortunate1013 get a xim apex

[@JaGG331]

@@mrunfortunate1013 , I prefer these keypads over a keyboard. If you even think you might like it more, try one out. It does all come down to preference. I prefer these things to a keyboard any day; but I will only ever play Dark Souls on a controller- nothing will ever change that.

[@mitchtube3]

You could explain this 36 minute video in one sentence.

[@Hennessy0001]

"Use the 20th key for what it should be, the spacebar"

[@BeechHorn]

@@Hennessy0001 Alas that still has the exact same issue.

[@ohhaical]

Seriously, massive waste of time

[@neopickaze]

I'm still not sure what the problem is. Edit - after about 8 minutes I get it, it is a step backwards.

[@mitchtube3]

@@neopickaze HI DOUCHEBAG

[@theavivo5980]

We need this video to go viral so razor can see this

[@NOOBLETS]

Please share it Thank you :)

[@videonmode8649]

Tweet em

[@darshaunevans9619]

@@NOOBLETS I will

[@Uifwqo]

Razor xd

[@xaviermendez3817]

Noobs, thanks for the heads up! Back in 2006, I worked in Compton, CA on the Nostromo product team at Belkin. It is with great pride that I can say the N52 was one of my babies! I tested that bad boy 24/7 on WOW, which is why its flawless ;) Now with the release of Classic, I'm going to evaluate the Razer Tartanus v2. When Belkin sold the rights, Razer re-branded the UI. They sourced the software Dev to an incompetent Chinese vendor that made garbage software and drivers for much lower cost and higher profit margins. When we heard what they did, we were broken hearted.. I haven't gamed with pads in over 10 years, but now that I'm revisiting gamepads, I may have to call up my Belkin buddies and manufacture a Razer killer...

[@NOOBLETS]

Well done on the Nos52 mate that fact that I still use it everyday is a testament to how good it still is and the job you did. Like I said I've proberly used it more than anyone else on the planet and know it inside and out. If you did get your team get back together to create a new device I would like to help you out if you're up for it, as im also an inventor. ;)

[@xaviermendez3817]

@@NOOBLETS Nostromo product line was a very rewarding program for sure. Send me a Linkedin invite. I will keep you in mind. One of my buddy's just got promoted to director of Product Management at Belkin. Maybe time to make that call. Thanks for all your efforts, much appreciated!

[@datboi4925]

Ive used my belkin nostromo for 10 years, still using the exact one i bought. I had upgraded to the orbweaver and its just not as good. The adjustable wrist rest is nothing like the perfect sculpted hand rest like the nostromo. They changed so many of the small things that it ruined it.

[@NOOBLETS]

@@xaviermendez3817 Hi mate I don't use Linked in but you can contact me using my business email on the about part of my youtube channel. I have some good ideas :P

[@NOOBLETS]

@@xaviermendez3817 i've got some really good ideas for a Razer killers if your mate at Belkin is interested , next gen mouse and joystick designs too.

[@gambitgaming4573]

It seems like you got so used to something that when Razer made something similar you couldn’t adjust or change to it. Tbh there doesn’t seem to be any issue just that you don’t like the way the Razer ones work. That’s not how it’s “supposed” to work. That’s how yours works. Not how the Razer ones work

[@NOOBLETS]

You didn't seem to have watched the video then if that's what you think.

[@nopir3898]

@@bigxphish958 yes, that why people clicked on the video

[@Harpotos]

@@NOOBLETS Honestly, in the exact same way that you find Razer's way of doing things wrong, I find your setup inefficient. Your binds help out people with poor finger dexterity, but there are much more efficient ways to bind keys without negatively affecting your movement in game. The Belkin way of doing things would be TERRIBLE for movement focused games like Apex.

[@astrolite3192]

Agreed. I've been using them since the Belkin N50 and he's just discovered an unusual unintended quirk & based his whole playstyle on it. Neither companies fault. That being said, I'm unhappy with all the game pads & might make my own. :)

[@NA-xp2cr]

@@NOOBLETS bruh. It’s not broken. It’s just different.

[@bking8984]

I'm so glad that people are willing to spend time making videos about older gear. There's a culture of reviewing only the newest stuff but we forget that newer isn't always better. Keep up the good work man, love from Spain!!!

[@FinalHero1]

I can see why this is a problem tho it wouldn't really bother me as I rely on mouse for weapon changes and ablties over my keypad/board.

[@joshuavanderpool2531]

you should never use the scroll wheel to switch thats a bad habit , but if your only playing on a casual level its whatever but no pro uses the scroll wheel

[@FinalHero1]

@@joshuavanderpool2531 scroll wheel? I use a G600 it has a full and programmable number pad on it so any weapon is one click away. That aside tho I am indeed no pro so it doesn't really matter lol man my comment was 10 months ago.

[@joshuavanderpool2531]

@@FinalHero1 lmao fair enough i thought u meant using the mouse wheel inbetween the left and right click

[@zoscle8805]

same

[@obliviondio]

@@joshuavanderpool2531 You can use the scroll wheel to map 1 weapon when scrolling up and another weapon when scrolling down. This is very efficient since you wouldn't want to scroll to a weapon.

[@k1ngkr1ms0n6]

You sound straight up like bubble bass.

[@armytech8098]

Wow. That's a lot of whining.

[@NOOBLETS]

yet your the one who's looking like a bitch

[@zacharyswistak9620]

nooblets.com nope, that would be you, you're responding to criticism like a twelve year old would respond to a kid saying he was ugly

[@JoJoJenkns]

Maybe it’s because I’m an American, but when he said big bag of dicks, I literally laughed out loud. But do your credit is a good point if they can make it better make it better. The only thing I can see is maybe it’s the switches they’re using which is why it’s not letting you do the keystroking properly. The only way to actually test that would be to hook up with a programmer and write different software for The razor products to see if you guys can override the issues yourself. If that’s the case now you have software licensing you can possibly do on earth as razor for a third party product Or add-on. Or better yet sell it to razor and make a boatload of money off of it.

[@JoJoJenkns]

And a place to start with that, you would need A pelican to offer as a sacrificial tribute possibly. Because the original format that might’ve actually been a flaw on the original falcon pad that you were able to take it vantage of. That could be why also razor saying It was never intended to work that way, if that’s the case then you found a Florida original system which is awesome how do you exploit the hell out of it Do you advantage. Either way again kudos and hopefully they can make this happen for you.

[@JoJoJenkns]

And I would suggest if you want to start your beta testing research on that, that tournament edition Is actually I believe where you would need to start. Because that is when you said razor started to play their involvement, so then you get actually Tresa down to being a falcon issue or a razor issue. Like I said prior, and almost sounds like you got a flaw in the system exploited that to your vantage very very well. But as far a testing, That’s probably where are you really need to start at.

[@cwpaterson12345]

Nooblets hand reveal!

[@ronniemorand2879]

Its confirmed he has hands

[@noodles74]

I thought he was black.

[@Cwattyeso]

I’ve had a Nostromo by Razer for several years and never had a problem with it. Admittedly I don’t try to do this crazy keybind shifting thing you are trying. If I want to swap weapons and need to hit numbers keys in game I used the 12 number keys on the side of my Naga Mouse. I basically have all my weapons stuff, firing, aiming etc on the mouse, and all player/character movement, menu stuff on the Nostromo.

[@JohyeahM]

Exactly. MMO mice solve soooo many issues with keybinds in non-MMO games, like FPS's. It's a no-brainer.

[@clarkkent1521]

Primary weapons should always have a button mapped onto your mouse. Why doesn't everyone do this?

[@sidewaysreign5538]

I just bought an Orbweaver and I have none of these issues.. difference being I didn’t use razer’s software at all. I left the key configurations the way they were and changed in game key mapping.

[@NOOBLETS]

Well you are having none of the issues because your not using the function that doesn't work lol

[@cortex1773]

@@NOOBLETS Just because it doesn't suit your person preference doesn't mean that it "doesn't work."

[@Dredion]

I've used the nostromos (all of them N52, N52TE, Razer Nostromo) since the release of WoW. I remember when I got it that there is no one using them, and I just kinda figured out what it was for. I've never bothered with the other keypad states. Its a feature that I found cumbersome in all versions. I just map modifier keys like shift and control, and change my keybinds in game. You might want to consider this work around. Instead of making all of your keys in the Tartarus change so you can press the 1 and 2 keys instead of W and E for example, can't you just make the state key a shift key and make your weapons keybinds shift-w and shift-e? I don't have the tartarus so I'm just asking. I'm currently using a N52TE (the best) that I've modified with brown keyswitches. I've also removed the dpad and replaced it with a sawed down PS Move Nav board''s joystick. It's working quite well, but I"ll receive a Tartarus v2 so I can game on my Macbook (can't get the ps move nav to work on osx). Hopefully I won't have to deal with this shit your are going through, but if I do I guess I can say I've been warned. Side note: I've never used the keys for ASWD, and have always bound the dpad for that (and now the nav joy through xpadder). For me this really opens up the possibilities, and allows for much faster movement while firing off abilities or switching equipment etc. It's interesting how differently these gamepads get used by everyone.

[@TSteffi]

The problem is quite obvious to me. A couple of years ago, i did a deep dive into how keyboards work, and Razer obviously didn't. Each key is supposed to send two signals to the PC: a "make" signal when the key is pressed, and a "break" signal when the key is released. It seems that the Belkin acts like this: whenever the pressed keys change, it sends break signals for all keys that were pressed before, and then sends the make signals for the new keys. But the Razer only sends the break signal when you actually release the key. That is why you get stuck in this auto-walk. The Razer never sends the break signal, so the PC thinks you are still pressing the key. This would be a rather easy fix in the firmware, only a couple lines of code. Could even be made a toggle option.

[@diezelactic1]

Started watching your videos while playing ark. Got a pc and was looking for a keypad and needed some advice. Can't tell you how happy I was to see a video from you, where you go into detail beyond any other, due to you knowing what you're talking about beyond any other. Thanks again for your endless knowledge!

[@Xanapop]

This is really interesting because the auto walk weirdness has become a problem on "Logitech g13" too. If you use a button to change state between M1, M2, M3 while walking you will start to auto walk and you don't stop until you press the same direction button again, it's really super annoying. It was working just fine some years ago but I guess the problem started with like a patch, windows update or something...

[@davewilson8114]

All these problems stem from the fact that you want to have exactly the same functionality as an older device and don't want to change how you use the new device. It's like expecting an OS to always work in the same way despite 15 versions having been released. You could easily map weapons to the D pad or a button under your pinkie finger. The HyperShift functionality is for mapping additional functions to buttons, but you have to abide by what the software provides. For example, I map the HyperShift and left mouse button to reload on a Basilisk, but I don't use HyperShift for anything on the Black widow BE it's used with. If you're happy with the Belkin, why buy the Razer versions? Videos and likes? Map the thumb button to jump like a keyboard and ignore the shift functions like everyone else.

[@Sanctum1972]

I own the Nostromo N52 which I consider it vintage now and used it way back between 2004-2007 for my Power Mac on Adobe apps and creative software for my digital art projects. It was a godsend as I used my Wacom next to it. The N52 is a masterpiece in industrial design. Unfortunately, I upgraded an iMac in 2010 and now got a new 4K iMac recently, the N52 won't work on those machines and I have to get a keypad to continue or rebuild that workflow. But I'm glad this video is out and is an eye opener. I'll be knocking on wood if I get the Tartarus v2 for a good price and make sure the keys work properly. I especially will need it if I want to go deeper on Eve Online which I started to delve into slowly. N52 is one of the greatest devices out there for those who have RSI ( which I suffered when working for Starbucks at the time and freelancing at home ).

[@AhmedBadawi]

that's really a massive issue to get my eyes on before buying .... as i was looking forward to mapping it the same way you do on my fps games .... and knowing that they do not support such a simple command made me question the whole mapping idea and the need of it compared to how buggy it can come. You tried your best to address an issue that no one will tell us about except someone who tried it the right way and asked for simple things that should be working by logic honestly. Good software for mapping is everything for such a half keyboard .... It's not hard to build the hardware of it, the software is everything for that and if it's not getting fixed while addressed from 2011 then there is a huge issue here.

[@NOOBLETS]

At last, someone whos a Keypad pro and knows what they are taking about ;)

[@font9a]

@@NOOBLETS you are not a keypad pro so stop acting like it it’s one little problem that you spent 36 minutes on plus it wasn’t even supposed to have that feature plus stop complaining like a 70 yr oh wait your even older

[@spikebensonable]

I usually agree with you but I actually love the Razer Tartarus and probably cuz I never used the other one and I use my thumb to jump and other button set ups to switch to a gun just as fast.

[@eightLives_forever]

This vid is a bit long but it is actually very informative. I don't know of anyone else who has brought these problems to light.

[@kylepatton8710]

The way im seeing it is that actively switching layers on the go with the Razor products requires you to completely release any keys held before trying to switch layers. Only a problem if you have multiple high priority functions on one key between multiple layers IMO that would be slightly confusing and distracting on the Razor products. It is probably possible with enough configuring and set up they could work just as effectively as the N52. With the N52 that type of functionality in that way is expected but whats to say the Razor products are meant to function the same way i am very curious about HendrikGamborgs explanation as to why they might work differently because of the keys being used if Razor would have given you an explanation or a solid reason as to if its possible or why its not possible you may have not made this video. communication has never and will never be one of Razors strong suits. I do not own any of these products i have been considering buy the orbweaver since it came out only because of the mechanical keys and no real selection has really put me off ( a DIY keypad kit would be amazing) i really only use cherry mx browns.

[@broderp]

Not seeing the issue. This sounds more like a personal preference issue as you are used to the older product. Not knocking it, but I think using a keyboard would be slower and more awkward. Anyone who notices this issue after watching the video, did not have the problem as it is a design , feature no one else was expecting to have. That's like saying your new car is broken because your brakes lock up when slamming on the brakes and you are comparing it to your older model that came equipped with ABS. If the new model doesn't gave the feature, you either dont get it or adapt to it. It's not broken. The company did you a solid by offering you your money back. Just stick with the old model you gave that works like you want it to. After watching the full video, you also come across as somewhat demanding, difficult and not someone from any company would want to assist. You fall short of calling them idiots , but maybe thats just my perception.

[@Zoomin69]

This isn't razer's problem, it's yours.

[@DeathSong9403]

it work perfectly as intended ... a shift key is a shift key not a key shitfed press 'A' and shift on your keyboard and it s bugged too , it show 'a' test shift and 'A' and tada 'A'

[@NOOBLETS]

Ok Thank You so Razer intended it to work Worse than the original, thank you for telling us that's what they are like and not to buy from them.

[@Jaffycake]

This has been bugging me for YEARS. Literally 10 years. I've had a nostromo, an orbweaver and a chroma orbweaver and i still get the directions stuck. Thanks for helping me atleast understand how this is happening, now to figure out how to fix it.

[@NOOBLETS]

Np mate, If Razer dont want to create a working gamepad, I might have to create one of my own

[@ZiaMcFia]

Don't be completely hurt by what I am saying but: YOU HAVE 5 KEYS ONTOP! YOU HAVE A D-PAD! ALSO A SCROLL WHEAL! TO SWITCH YOUR WEAPON" I don't see the major problem

[@dv2800]

Okay but to switch a gun you can just scroll

[@N7Revenant]

I understand your points and your frustration... HOWEVER: It seems to me that this kind of control is a niche that only you use (or very few others will). I can see why you specifically would want that this way, but generally, most would consider that behaviour inconsistent or impractical on the bigger picture. Let me explain: When you want to keep moving forward and switch to a different-let's keep the existing example-weapon, than the one you have bound to your forward key, what happens with what you are suggesting? You are switching to a weapon you do not want, just because you are holding the key that maintains its active state between the shifts, so you would have to stop moving and then select that different weapon. So essentially, what you want is to make it work for that one specific key, locking out all the other keys. Now, I don't own this device, or anything similar-or anything Razer for that matter-I landed here because I was considering to get something like that; so I may be wrong, but I would assume that since you are holding the forward button and then press the modifier key, the other buttons should shift to their other function, at which point you maintain the mobility, while allowing you to use the plethora of the other modified keys. *If* that is the case, then just bind it to a key you don't use for movement and stop being silly 🙂. Not to take the worth of that original behaviour away, I would suggest for it to be a setting on the keys you specify, i.e. "forward key: if held & modifier key pressed > maintain existing behaviour & execute shifted behaviour", but that could just get crazy complicated... like steam-controller complicated... and reading the top comment from Cuthbert Nibbles, even that is apparently out of the picture, due to the technological/compatibility constraints. As for your communication with their support, as a tech/customer support myself, let me give you advice how to treat these people: Do not be rude or aggressive either explicitly or implicitly. The multiplications of the question and exclamation marks have their specific value and if you use them to convey your frustration on the people whose job it is to deal with this, you are going to annoy them! You. Do. Not. Want. to get people whose job it is to help you annoyed (trust me, sometimes, they already are). This not even their fault (they are not the engineers, or programmers themselves) and now they have to deal with some-excuse the language-dickhead (not calling you that, just an example) eroding their will to live, or increasing their will to make the customer stop drawing breaths. You want to show them that you are reasonable, want to genuinely work WITH them on the resolution of the supposed issue, and that you maybe even want to understand the great, big and elusive "why?". If you do that, you are much more likely to get positive results or satisfying answers; on the other hand, if you are hostile, they may put your requests to the bottom of the queue, or ignore it altogether (whether intentionally or unintentionally is irrelevant). Sometimes, they have to deal with the corporate BS and don't have much leeway in how they can help you (if you ever dealt with Microsoft support, this is why they can be so bad), but if you are nice, they may be inclined to cut some corners to get you where you need/want to get. The proverb about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar doesn't exist for no reason, and one step further, try to imagine yourself in their shoes and treat them how you would like to be treated.

[@voodoo9449]

I think you are missing the efficiency and possibilities. In those instances where you want to switch to a function and not continue, you let go, in those you don't you keep your finger down. By far a more efficient and advanced usage, now your average user may get confused with it... but they just as well should use a keyboard if they can't figure it out. As far as his frustration... I'm not going to defend that :P

[@OllieMartinGamer]

A baffling video. As many have commented your expecting it to work in a way it wasn't designed to do. Whether that's poor design or not is a different matter, as you are acting like it's a specific bug when it's not. And then replying to people in a very strange childlike way. Whole thing is baffling to me.

[@Kontroll343]

Mate I understand what you're getting at and I believe that the intention of the hypershift was to do this. I have put a ticket in with Razer in regards to the Hypershift as it only works one way. You can activate a different key with Hypershift without removing your finger from the button but once letting go of hypershift it doesnt change back until you take your finger off then place it back on (my Hypershift is on the sniper button on the Basilisk Ultimate). It also seems to have a great deal of lag between the Hypershift being pressed and actuating in the software. I tested this with holding the W key which is hypershifted with the numpad 1.

[@starrynight7783]

I bought this gamepad after watching your video and I think I found a way around your main complaint of the Hypershift not working. I put the 20 (default space) button as a switch keymap button then played Battlefront 2. I tested out what you were saying while replacing 16 (default shift) button with LMB and several times was able to alternate between shooting and running without lifting any finger other than my thumb. It would even continue to run while I pressed the 20 button to change that button to LMB. Hope this helps! Edit: You can even set the Keymap switch to return to the previous keymap when you let go of it (what I did).

[@clarkkent1521]

What do you guys use as the jump button?

[@starrynight7783]

@@clarkkent1521 I use 20 as spacebar.

[@clarkkent1521]

@@starrynight7783 You said you mapped 20 as switch keymap button.

[@starrynight7783]

@@clarkkent1521 yeah as an experiment. I later mapped the switch key to the button above the directional pad.

[@clarkkent1521]

@@starrynight7783 Gotcha. Now I'm still wondering where people the jump key when they use the 20 as not-jump.

[@darealworld558]

I'm glad I still have and use my n52te. That's a great idea I never thought of and will test first thing tomorrow. Great vid. Thx.

[@barirdeeee2]

Can you update if it still works like the original n52? Can you do this by switching between the custom and default mode switch at the bottom of the unit? It would greatly be appreciated if you did.

[@AwesomeClassyGamers]

Or you know.. have weapon switching on accessible buttons next to the movement keys like they initially are. I can easily switch between four different weapons at least while still moving forward at the same time. You on the other hand actually stand still when switching weapons, even though its is less time than with the tartarus, and even worse is that you completely stop all movement (like running) when you want to change weapon. Your button mapping just doesn't make sense to me, doesn't seem competitive at all.

[@NOOBLETS]

The device was created so you could use any key however you want, it you cannot then it fails.

[@AskrNjordr]

Why not use the top row for keys 1-5 like a keyboard? I was excited to hear the begining to see if you thought what I did but you also missed my main concern looking at getting this. Where are your real hyper shift keys? ALT? CTRL? Why is my space bar a different buttton? You have WASD in the middle, caps lock is left of that, then shift under it but wheres CTRL and ALT I use those keys a lot more than Razer thinks I guess.

[@Strongfinger777]

I guess its down to how you use it too. None of this affects me, because I don't switch modes and I use the directional thumb pad for my WASD movement. The biggest issue I have with the Razor products is they are just poor quality compared to Belkin. They don't last anywhere near as long. In my experience, the buttons start to wear out or need cleaning and eventually stop working altogether within a few years. It's possible to open them up and give them a clean, which might get them working properly again, but good luck putting it back together and it all working again.

[@RaptorJesus.]

like you i had an N52TE since the early 00s, mine finally died last year, R.I.P! so i thought i'd get a Tartarus, its been close on 20 years so i expected some great progression! wow how wrong i was... first i find there is no internal memory, to change the keybinds you need to have 6 vampire bloatware apps running at all times, eating up ram. n52 only needed an app when you wanted to change the keybinds, but once you saved the keybinds you could close the app and the n52s internal memory would be updated, you could then plug it into any computer and all of your keybinds and even macros would work! that felt like a huge step in the wrong direction, but sure...here is your SEVEN HUNDRED constant megabytes of ram... secondly and the biggest for my gameplay, the D-pad buttons merge if you press them more than a light tap, i play planetside 2 and i have left on the Dpad bound to activate my overshield and down on the Dpad bound to jump. if i press the button too hard to activate my shield my character jumps, which in this game gives away valuable time and causes me to die. this never happened on the n52te... so i have an overly expensive ram hog that gets me killed in games... is this is what a decade and a half of progression looks like to razer?! do not buy a tartarus, try to get an n52, its far superior.

[@NOOBLETS]

They buy the rights for our Fav keypad then screw it up so bad, but whats stopped me buying razer is they couldn't be bothered to fix it.

[@flyfishingintheuk6684]

I'm so pleased that this isn't just an issue for me. I too started off with the Belkin N52, which worked flawlessly for years. I "upgraded" from the N52 to (I can't remember which model), I remember not liking the extra row of keys as they were hard to reach and it was a lottery to which key you actually pushed. It was not possible to push the correct key without a glance to the keyboard to make sure you are going for the right key... I remember the unit had adjustable palm rest, this was not particularly useful as the reach was too far away to be comfortable, this was on the "close" setting, supposedly for small hands! (Incidentally, I have large hands according to glove sizes, so women, children and people with smaller hands would have had real issues). After the disappointment with the flimsy adjustable rake extra-row of keys model, I replaced my ageing Belkin with the standard Razer Tartarious Chroma. This still works to this day and my 6 year old son uses it when he's playing PC games (which would be all the time if I allowed it!) Razer brought out a new model, so I decided to try it, it had mechanical keys and the extra keys would of course be useful, let's be honest. After less than two months I started getting the isssues you are mentioning, so I boxed it up and tried to return the unit to Amazon. After much faff it was clear that Amazon thought that they had no need to honour the guarantee, which I disputed but was given the metaphorical "bird" and told their guarantee as for one month... Anyway that's another story. I emailed Razer directly (in the USA), they were really helpful. They put me in touch with the EU group, who replaced the unit with my current Razer Tartarious Pro (the model I had bought from Amazon appears to have been discontinued). This unit worked okay until about 3 months ago, when the same "sticky" keys issue and the failure to move when the button was depressed arose. This unit has the variable pressure keys incidentally, not sure if anyone in the real world has ever noticed or benefitted from this "feature" but to me, it's just something else to go wrong. I'm still hanging in there as the prospect of playing games on the PC with a keyboard doesn't appeal. It never occurred to me that any of this might be software related, as all of the units were working as intended initially, for some time. The Belkin software with the original unit was much easier to use and was functional, the modern software is not so easy to use and maybe worse than that, requires that Razer 's software is online at all times in order to work... Razer Central, Razer Synapse & Razer Cortex all want to be in on the action! (I'm aware that some of this can be shut down but there has to be a net connection in order for the keybindings to work). I totally agree that these issues could be easily resolved and I also think that anyone using one of these controllers would have a hard time going back to the standard keyboards for gaming.

[@whitesquirrel4131]

I've had the original Belkin Nostromo, was amazing, I fell in love right away. I also had one of the razer nostromos, mine was earlier, I found it to be nearly identical, maybe some problems with the key size but more or less seamlessly transitioned from one to the other. Tartarus V2 I have now, I wish I read reviews first. Just because you have been happy with a product in the past is no reason to trust it in the future, it seems, as companies are vested in making less charging more.

[@TheBigred138]

Wonderful key pad. I killed mine on accident. I wanted to replace the original short and cracking apart USB cable with a longer heavy duty USB cable. The wires that comprised the cable itself or thicker and use considerably more copper than the original belt and cable did. I salvaged it from a older specialty keyboard made buy Logitech.

[@EvanFB]

This is why i just use the D pad on the side for weapons.. never needed any of the key shift functions

[@squashbash6408]

just get a mouse that has buttons on it like the naga hex or something

[@NOOBLETS]

You buy everyone who has this keypad a razer mouse then... Or they fix it

[@squashbash6408]

@@NOOBLETS It would just be a software update right?

[@Grendalsh]

Steve, One of the reasons I love your channel is because you often use lateral thinking to solve problems. I've used the entire Nostromo series of devices, going back to the Belkin N50. My KZbin channel is dedicated to the series, go check it out. So, it was both exciting to see that you were a fellow Nostromo fan, and disappointing to see that you had made almost no effort to rethink how you used the devices to maximize their utility. I've taught several dozen people how to make the most of Nostromos, and my absolute first piece of advice is STOP USING WASD for movement and switch to using the DPAD. The biggest reason that people give for not using the DPAD for movement is that they feel it's not as good as WASD for FPS games.. If I gave a bicycle to someone who'd never ridden one, and told them it was faster than running.. do you think they'd be able to just hop on and go? Nah, they'd flop around a bit, fall over, then decide it sucked and go back to running. IT WILL TAKE TIME to retrain muscle memory for DPAD movement.. In my experience teaching, it takes about 1 week to get back to the same effectiveness you had with WASD, and 2 weeks to be better. But I absolutely guarantee you will see a boost to your control effectiveness when you're not trying to manage both foot movement and weapon/ability keybinds with the same fingers.

[@NOOBLETS]

Come on now the entire reason to get the keypads is to customise it to the way you like and play. As for using the Dpad for movement, you go around a mate house and you don't bring the Nos so would have to use a keyboard, you would be screwed as you are no longer use to using WASD, i would be ok. :p

[@MrJoshshaw1000]

@@NOOBLETS your too stubborn, he's right man

[@sasu002]

I totally agree

[@gnawershreth]

The issue he points out is just an objective downgrade though. It's not like they moved a button a bit and it's all about subjective preference. The Belkin could do exactly what the Razer can, *AND* it could do one button switching. That's just plain better. The Razer ones are basically like old school keyboards where you couldn't press multiple keys at once or they'd "block" each other, that's what seems to be happened to the "color switch" option on Razer, it gets "blocked" by you holding keys down. That's a problem that was fixed on keyboards years and years ago because it was obviously shit, and now Razer makes new products with that some old problem in 2019. That's not about getting used to it, about preference or whatever, it's fucking pathetic, especially when we're talking about one of the most overpriced brands on the market.

[@RedMemesClickAndEnjoy]

Doesn't truly bother me considering I use buttons for changing items

[@Dartak17]

I've had the same problem while playing WoW, running forward and pushed another button to cast a spell while running but it made my character stop running until I released W and pressed W again to resume running. I was enjoying it so much but this is a dealbreaker for me.

[@souperman1994]

I feel like theres a fix for the first problem, but a janky one at that and even still thats not the point is it. Shouldnt have to fix if it worked like it should. Out of curiosity, what key do you use for jumping in games?

[@NOOBLETS]

The thumb joystick up and a jump button on my mouse :P

[@Cliffhanger_MFC]

I have used the Nostromo and upgraded to the Tartarus and just bought the V2 and have never had 1 problem and they work excellent. The only reason I upgraded from the Tartarus to the V2 is the updated Chroma RGB lighting.

[@poxten]

I understand your frustration. This is what large peripheral companies do. Logitech is also notorious for buying the patents from other companies and then totally missing the point of what made the original devices great in the first place. However I don’t think they care or are going to listen to you. I suggest just using a mouse in combination with your game pad. That way you could use the D-pad for your weapon selector, or extra mouse buttons as your weapon selector.

[@derekbizoddy6210]

2022 and still using my N52te. I have modded it to red cherry switches so its even better than the original but it works 100% and love it.

[@qazmko22]

Someone might have already commented this.. but it's probably a quality control issue out of the cheaper Chinese factories that lead to these problems. I know many great products fall down that quality control hole to keep costs low. The problem with MINE is that it's used from goodwill and even with deep cleaning, the spacebar button just doesn't work, it looks like soda was spilled over it. If you have any ideas how to fix this let me know.

[@nywmeta]

Hi could you use shift for thumb and that way change weapons better? Like shift + w for first weapon

[@dsandoval9396]

You mean like changing the thumb pad as macros for each direction? Yes. You could do that.

[@moozoowizard]

Any patents on this must be close to expiry so maybe they will have competition soon. I can understand why razor might think their controller behaviour is technically "correct" however they are underestimating the need to keep moving in PvP. Although you don't mention it, I assume that if you wanted some other weapon you could switch to moving in another direction and do the same quick thumb tap. I have two old n52 controllers and having seen this might try using them again.

[@jimrush2619]

This was a good explanation of the quality of the Razer keypad products. I also owned the original Belkin Nostromo, and sadly I ran it into its grave. I miss it immensely. Now I own the Razer Orbweaver V2 Chroma, and I have had exactly the same problems. Not only that, but the quality of the switches are inferior. It's still in relatively new shape, but now the 'w' key is having pressure sensitive failures depending on the direction that I am pressing. I will most likely go with a different product for my next purchase, such as the Logitech G13.

[@climbingruven]

Great vid. Just starting to try out these things, been on keyboard, didn't know these were better. Your video shows the clear advantage. I bought a Razer in an estate sale, cheap, think I will be selling it on eBay and getting the Belkin. Thanks for the info. See you in 2142

[@wrathofgod76]

I'm using the Logitech G13 (next version of the N52TE) in combination with the G502 mouse. I don't quite use it the same as you do so I am unsure if it works as the N52 but unfortunately they are hard to find now because they have been discontinued. May be an option to test out if you can find one (the prices have gone outrageous since they were discontinued).

[@NOOBLETS]

THe Logitech G13 is in no way like the n52 apart from being logitechs copied version

[@wrathofgod76]

​@@NOOBLETS It was the next step I purchased after the Belikn N52TE (I've owned the N50, N52, & N52TE). Better than Razer's versions (which I've also had & returned). It was a suggestion...calm down.

[@MastaGambit]

I got the Tartarus 2 recently to play MMOs on the go with. Never used a keypad before in my life, and I also don't play FPS games. So seeing this vid just makes me glad i'm not an FPS player. :P I sympathize with your issue, however.

[@matavaomo8574]

Is there any other keypads similar to your belkin setup to use. Besides the Razer tartarus v2 review?

[@nagynorbie]

I understand why this bothers you, but it's quite the opposite for me, I actually prefer the way the Razer works. This might be because I'm playing WoW with alt, control, and shift modifiers, but it would be terrible if the buttons would immediately activate, since I press them in such quick succession. However even if I'd be playing shooters, I'd never bind something important to my movement keys, for the simple reason that I'm always spamming them and don't want to accidentally press something. I've actually tried this with a normal keyboard and it was horrible. Either way the bottom line is that not everyone has the same expectations you do and Razer has the right to make the keypad any way they desire. And seeing how most people buying the Tartarus use it for MMO's (main reason for multiple buttons, not just WASD, which you already have with normal keyboards) I think they designed it wisely. Of course it would be nice to add the option of toggling between the two functionalities, but seeing how this is a niché usecase, I don't think they'll bother, no matter how many emails you send them.

[@nagynorbie]

And also how can you actually play with having important abilities bound to your movement ? Let's take your Fortnite example - what if you want to build a wall, but you're running to the right because someone is shooting at you ? Do you stop just so you can press your red modifier + W ? Don't you just die ? Or what if you're running forward but want to switch to your second weapon ? Again, do you stop, or do you literally have to run sideways to switch weapons ? No offense, but this seems incredibly stupid. Every gamer that I know has abilities on separate keybinds just for this reason. Your movement should be uninterruptable and independent from any abilities. It would make more sense to switch weapons/abilities with your thumbstick WHILE moving.

[@lambrettaking472]

I just use the mouse wheel, far easier when playing FPS games

[@Drufyre]

can you not change from let up activation to press down activation in synapse?

[@Sketchy870]

Lol probably

[@CraaaaaabPeople]

Or you could just stop changing profiles a million times a second. Not a bug, your use case is extremely odd!!

[@NOOBLETS]

It can NOT even change one profile correct, and its not a bug, its lazy bad programming that doesn't work as it should, like the original

[@MajorEncore]

Ben if you fail to see the potential here, its your loss buddy, just imagine the v2 with original n52 profile switching. It would be awsome, and match with your other chroma stuff 💪🥂

[@ivanheffner2587]

Could the auto-walk be a firmware implemented "solution" to a different issue: switching to a different weapon other than the one under your primary movement key means you have to take your finger off that key and select the new weapon which would cause a slight pause in movement. If i follow your description this may be the intended sequence: you are walking goofing w direction key; press and hold shift; true the direction key (start auto-walk); press and release new weapon key; release shift; press direction key (stop auto-walk). I don't have this hardware and have never used it. Just a thought.

[@theTealStory]

maybe idk map your weapon switch to the thumb button itself?????

[@privatevoidkeeper3775]

doesn't seem like a real problem, I dunno how many keys you'd want to switch while having keys pressed down the keys at the same time, seems like all you need is well defined keys... he could just as well map the thumb key to the rifle and he'd get the same functionality-

[@brisbrett]

Are your other fingers broken? You couldn't tap another key with your pinky or other finger to change weapons while moving? Sounds like a you problem.

[@NOOBLETS]

No its just this device that broken, did you ever think my pinky was speced for something else like crotch? The entire point of the keypad is to spec what ever keys to suit you and with the razor one it fails

[@Alekhine01]

You can program keys to switch profiles without using the hypershift button, but mine does happen to work quite well. I programmed it to change the buttons on my razer mouse when I hit the hypershift button. When you talk about all those different buttons you have to press to “change weapons”, I do not have any problem close to that as I customize what buttons do what. And if that isn’t enough, you can make macros to simulate pressing different keys in a row. So I definitely feel like you are missing out on the full functionality of the Tartarus Razer. That said, I was searching for a particular problem I am having using my Razer Tartarus with Starfield. Although it worked fine at first, now my Tartarus will lose its profile after a few minutes and go back to the default. Sadly that is not a problem you would encounter as it appears you pretty much seem to ise the default, though I saw you with the key assignment screen up right from the start. Another big thing you should try is using the thumb selector for directional movement. When you do that, move the space button to something like the button to just above the scroll wheel if that is what you use for jumping. Anyway, I feel like I could probably learn to type one-handed with my razer as if I haf a full keyboard. I can get to where I use as many as 40 keys for an mmorpg for an mmorpg, for instance.

[@bmorr]

I already use the Razer Tartarus V1, and I have never had issues with this, but now I CAN’T STOP THINKING ABOUT IT!!! Please make an update video if they fix this! I will upgrade to the V2. I’ll make sure to help pressure them.

[@NOOBLETS]

It would help if you contact razer and ask them to fix it aswell.

[@ThePantsManYEEAH]

The definition of a problem that no one but you has noticed is “a personal gripe”. Just FYI for future obsessions.

[@NOOBLETS]

lol I have probably used this keypad design more than anyone else on the Planet and the way the original creators intended, if people with no experience have never noticed, doesn't make the problem go away. You might have no standards and don't care if company making a product worse, but I do.

[@AmishFan]

@@NOOBLETS "more than anyone else on the Planet" Having started with the N50, I could give you a run for your money on that claim :)

[@StatesideBeast]

I got mine a while back. I love it.

[@chaoz_2k185]

I use my razer tartarus v2 differently (on r6 too) and I think that your set-up is very situational. (Of course it wold be nice to have that frature but I think that you are making it a bigger problem than it is)

[@NORKIE]

The entire point to this tool is customization and ease of accessibility, this is a massive negative feature missing for anyone that doesnt use basic controls.

[@voodoo9449]

It took a minute to grasp the issue, really a design decision... either you could say it's a bad thing for it to continue key use when switching modes... or for advanced users the ability to keep the input going. Honestly with the whole basis of the keypad to be for advanced gaming... I really have to say you make a very valid point and they should address this to keep it in line with that vs cutting off the input. You are very thorough and I think any manufacturer would be lucky to have you doing quality testing for them.

[@NOOBLETS]

It had other problems that i reported as well like if you tap the thumb button you would auto walk forward without you wanting too and get you killed.

[@OafishWither]

or just use a crazy mouse with 20 buttons. problem solved. it isn't a bad product

[@steptoerees]

Oafish Wither yep mine has 12

[@steptoerees]

Oh and I bought it it’s pretty good

[@steptoerees]

The key pad

[@steptoerees]

Ohh

[@steptoerees]

The Tartarus pro btw

[@CreativeStudios97]

36 minute video that needed to be MAYBE 2 minutes. Really working for that ad revenue aren't we?

[@NOOBLETS]

If I had made it 2 mins then the Razor Fanboys would have got it even less than they do now. So tell me what was the fix for the problem?

[@NeoECCHI]

just because you dont like it doesnt mean they have to fix it many people like the way they make them

[@NOOBLETS]

Its not about me not liking it, its about it not working as well as the N52, and people like it because they never knew how it was supposed to work and they didnt know better.

[@NeoECCHI]

@@NOOBLETS ive used all of them for a bit and the razer tartarus works well your just setting a high standard or your just not usingf them right

[@NeoECCHI]

@@NOOBLETS just use your old one if you dont like the new models

[@tkachowski6520]

So your issue with the Razer Tartarus keypad is that you have to stop moving to switch weapons, but for whatever reason you have no issues with stopping to switch to the secondary with the other keypad. Why not just bind the #20 button to primary weapon and leave #7 as secondary? It's still a 1 button switch to primary and even less buttons to switch to secondary (as you no longer have to hyper-shift to switch to secondary, and you can even keep moving while switching to it). Honestly this feels like you've made a problem out of nothing, simply because you can't change your weapon on the move like you used to, and you're too lazy/suborn to just rebind it.

[@NOOBLETS]

Or instead of doing all that because the new keypad cannot do what the old one can, I use the old one. The point of the keypad is that you can set it up and use it HOWEVER you want, which the new one FAILS at.

[@gian2456]

which is the best of all to play with the analog?

[@TrevorJones1]

WTF 5 minutes in and I still don't know what the problem is

[@CraaaaaabPeople]

Change weapons with your mouse wheel?

[@natev580]

So your gripe isn't actually that the keypad doesn't work.. It's that it doesn't have the functionality that YOU think it should. Honestly that sounds more like a you problem than a Razer problem. I have tested this myself and can in fact confirm that it does not work, however should it work just because you want it to? The reality is that the keypads ARE NOT broken, you just don't like what they are designed to do. They are not designed for fast functionality changes, but rather just have multiple functionality settings. Honestly it is no different than a profile change button on a gaming mouse. I personally have used the Orbweaver in the past and currently use the Tartarus V2 for many of the games I play and simply put, they work just fine when taking into consideration the intended functionality of the pad itself.

[@NOOBLETS]

Next time you write a comment try not to sound so much like a Razer fanboy and pass off that Razer have made a product WORSE than the original! It is clearly shown that the keyshift functions does NOT Work, or have you been going through life thinking that every that doesnt work, stops working, or breaks has been working as intended.

[@natev580]

@@NOOBLETS Actually it is clearly shown that the keyshift functions DO work. It just doesn't work the way you want it to. Perhaps next time you write a comment, you should try not to sound like such a tool. The difference is that you have to make a series of button presses rather than a single tap of a button. Again, that sounds like a you problem because it works exactly the way its suppose to.

[@brianpenick1088]

Have you tried replacing the drivers for the Tartarus v2 with the drivers for the Belkin Nostromo n52 and using the Belkin Management software instead of razors? This may or may not work but the Tartarus looks functionally the same hardware except for the RGB. The problems you have stated are just the software writer's preference on how the keys should be handled, and I agree that belkin's choice would suite me better but its possible razor considered that sort of behavior might get flagged for cheating because the Nostromo is throwing "W key up, 1 key down, 1 key up, W key down" on to the system message stack for you with the click of a single key.

[@madds1973]

my problem with the nostromo, is after a period of non use the keys and palm rest have become tacky due to the break down of the rubber compound used to make it feel comfortable

[@NOOBLETS]

Do you mean the razer? The Nos doesn't have rubber on them, its hard plastic.

[@bnb7094]

need new software for the Belkin n52te. i cant seem to update settings in win10

[@KrazyMO]

Oh how I miss my Belkin Nostromo. I had 2 of them but sadly they wore out and stopped working. I thought it would get better when Razer picked it up but like you pointed out in this video it didn't get any better but worse.

[@karljensen9758]

How lazy do you have to be that you can't lift one GD finger?! As I see it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the razor and you just can't deal with something being different from what you're used to.

[@Nuck-Fo0bZz]

Honestly I didn't expect much from this video, but that really is something that would be a bit a of a game changer. I'm gonna try to email them as well. Maybe if enough people were to message them about this they would actually upgrade the firmware in some way.

[@NOOBLETS]

Thanks for contacting them mate, all we want is it working right :P

[@Daqsun]

if you didn't realize there is a qhole row above your wasd to change your weapons. I have been using mine for at least 3 years, which is 1 click. but I wish there was a separate button to change layers/keymaps/hypershift Edit: also without using the space bar that is conveniently placed, what do you use to jump XD

[@NOOBLETS]

That's why you are getting killed all the time! because you have to take your fingers of the movement keys, press down the weapon keys, then move them back to movement keys. Every single time you want to change a weapon. That's why no one using a Razor keyboard will ever be top ranked. I on the other hand, only have to tap my thumb down for 0.2 of a second to select a weapon, then keep moving again after. That's why I was number 1 in the world at BF2142. So no i didn't forget about the top row of keys you have to use because the Razor keyshift doesn't work.

[@Goryglory0209]

Awesome review

[@HenrikGamborg]

I don't know exactly wtf is going on inside keyboards. But it is pretty clear that, once you press the key you send a signal saying "Down", then if you hold it and change the functionality of said key, the original key never sends the "Release" signal, so the system still thinks it is being pressed. Not entirely sure if this is a product of keys having to be mechanical these days? Does the old Belkin have digital keys? If so, does that mean that they key signal is constantly refreshing, checking for the "Up/Down" state. In that case, it would explain the issue. This is just me thinking out loud, it seems like a fascinating issue, that I'm surprised a company like RAZER has not fixed yet. I think i could fix that shit within a 6 month UNI semester. Either by converting the keys back to another kind. Or applying some software code, that checks for the original keys state when clicking the shortcut "thumb" key. Anyways, sucks to be treated this way :) As always, thank you for your content Steve.

[@NOOBLETS]

I think you could be right, inside the Belkin is a circuit board, with every key port open, above the circuit board is a rubber pad with rubber cones above each key, inside each cone is a metal plug. So when the key is pressed down the metal plug touches the circuit = closes it, and activates the key.

[@TheBryngel72]

Thanks for the video! I was about to buy a Razer, but I found a Belkin for a reasonable price used. It seems to have some wear, but you said they have a lifetime warranty? How does that work being they are no longer manufactured? Did you have to buy it new, or can I get it fixed if something goes wrong with the I purchased used?

[@chloehesketh1579]

It doesn’t take six weeks to press two keys when you stop moving it’s not that difficult, I get that you have gotten used to the nostromo but it’s not overly difficult to change muscle memory and you can just keep using the nostromo if you don’t like the Tartarus v2

[@NOOBLETS]

With the old N52 you only press 2 keys, or only one action. Not 6 actions with Razer.

[@CNCshed]

I'm surprised RAZR haven't addressed this. It's clearly a big improvement and would only include a slight software change. I've just ordered a Tartarus V2 so hopefully they do so soon.

[@NOOBLETS]

My Tartarus v2 is still sitting on the shelf gathering dust, Razer don't seem to give a crap about making worse products, so I have stopped buying there stuff. Now you know the problem, try it out for yourself and if you cannot stand it, send yours back to Razer and tell them why. Even link my video showing the problem see if they fix it.

[@DaemonJax]

Thanks for this video review! I was all about to upgrade from my old Belken n52 (still works great! I even got a second one as a spare) until I saw this video. The design problems make the razor product completely unusable. Their incompetence likely extends to their other products, so I'll be sure to avoid everything they make.

[@NOOBLETS]

Yep that's what I thought to mate, I even had to show them that if you press the shift key down while pressing a direction key, it would auto walk in that direction and wouldn't stop, If I they had not fixed that the razor fanboys would say its working as intended. Google Azeron Keypads mate I'm working with them to give them ideas

[@BuzzaB77]

this isn't a firmware issue. the keyboard itself is the equivalent of a fisherprice music keyboard, where it can only transmit a couple of notes at a time. just super cheap. try put it through a input detector, you'll see. One other possible reason, Razor aint gonna watch a 30min video, you could edit that point down to less than 30 secs and you might get a chance in the tech support queue.

[@BorkPlays]

Ive been wanting a device like this. I got on ebay to to see if the Belkin Nostromo N52 Gamepad was for sale. I found a barely used piece and even comes with install CD! Thanks for this info

[@NOOBLETS]

Glad to help mate, if you have any probs with the software i can give you the upto date version, dont forget to sub ;)

[@fredkoch4659]

Belkin N52te didnt exhibit these problems. They dont have the wasd keys sticking on randomly... pain in the ass. They wanted me to record when it happened. They should by now fully comprehend the problems we all have...

[@wetelectronics7867]

VALID complaint. 1. This is a straight reduction in functionality so they should want to patch it. 2. The name "Hyper Shift" implies that is has functionality above (or at least different from) a regular Shift key. This key works exactly as a normal Shift key works on any keyboard where pressing Shift will defeat the key you're holding down. Anyone can try it at home; hold down any letter in any input box and press Shift. The repeating letter will stop repeating when shift is pressed. I use the scroll wheel up and down for next and previous weapon but I would use a shift with maintained button press feature if it were available to me. The Tartarus Pro now has analog optical switches that can detect velocity. I'm thinking this might solve your problem. My Nostromo is on the fritz and I'm currently troubleshooting it. If I can't get it to work, I will upgrade and circle back to let you know if they've solves this issue with the controller-like velocity sensing capabilities of the PRO.

[@Sziklapeti]

I do not get it, it's a different product and works differently... Mind blowing... Saying it should work this way is dumb. They work perfectly simply they do not meet your needs.

[@NOOBLETS]

Yer you don't get it, Its meant to be a better product but works worse then its original.

[@Sziklapeti]

I get what you are saying I do not think the way you did put it is right. They are not faulty. This is not how they need to work. This is how they should work in your opinion which is okay. If it were hey razer, It would be nice if it worked like this or have the opportunity to program it like this in the software it would be absolutely fine. But saying it's not working as it's intented to work because the first revision worked another way is not correct. Yes, I get it you got used to the "original" but the Orbweaver is not nostromo V2 nor the Tartarus a nostromo V2. They only share the form factor more or less but are different products. And that "Original" is not even a Razer product. They ARE working properly just differently than that other one. If you want a replacement for that "original" sure those are not that in that aspect but not flawed by that.

[@wanderingpanda6556]

I don’t play the games you do as I only use it for wow. For that it’s phenomenal once you get your muscle memory (I was coming from a Logitech G13 so not too much of a learning curve). Now I don’t know if you use the Dpad for anything but, have you tried removing the stick and binding the 4 directions to separate weapons? The only thing ergonomic I’m not a fan of is the #20 key. I’ve changed the default shift/jump of that key to the Left dpad position. Much more comfortable. Which is actually what got me thinking of using the dpad for wep changes.

[@ivarssuhanovs7637]

Well worst thing in Tartarus is microswitches for AWSD instead of analog stick (like Logitech G13). In 11 months i changed 3 Tartarus and when i brought to warranty 3rd time with same diagnosis - again died 1 microswitch - seller just gave me back money. My old 10+ year Logitech G13 is still alive and works only problem is software - Logitech G-Hub does not support G13 and need to install additional old logitech gaming software.

[@RIPKiwi]

not a problem for me i switch weapons with my mouse soooo

[@NOOBLETS]

And that fixes their keypads how?

[@Ronin_72]

Alright, he is right that the razer doesn't work like the belkin does and I can't tell you why. I was talking to a friend about trying out a keypad and he was like "I've got one I dont use, you can have it" he didn't say why he doesn't use it. So I got mine for free. I presume he likes keyboards better. Mine is the first version that uses synapses 2.0 the version in the video uses 3.0 so I cant comment on that other than on 2.0 it's easy to edit keymaps. I will say that the video was a bit misleading. I didn't get the impression that it's broken just not designed that way anymore, again, no idea why this is the case. I'm sure they had their reasons. I play mostly rpg games that use most of the keyboard I do enjoy using it for that and I dont really see a problem with assigning the keys differently. This method isn't as fast because there is one more button you have to push to change the keymap the depress the assigned key, as long as the assigned key isn't the one already depressed in the case of forward movement but it's still tremendously faster than using the top row number keys to switch weapons or whatever function is assigned to that number.