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[@huh3719]

Earth only seemingly took the most Ls in the show because Air and Water nation was already fucked up before the show even started 😭

[@echoesact3713]

FOR REAL!!! They acting like it took Uncle Iroh over 600 fucking DAYS to break into Ba Sing Se!!!!

[@Th3RealUnknown]

@@echoesact3713 He didn't break in he just set seige for 600 and stopped after his son died

[@BigBroKuma]

​@@echoesact3713 He didn't even conquer Ba Sing Se 😭 spent 600 days then his son got murked

[@starkiller6740]

Earth has offense and defense lol crazy man

[@ShisuiDUchiha]

shit i cant even say which one was the strongest nation but all i knownis the creator nerfed tf out of the air nomads he literally had to so aang wouldn't be too overpowered or any air bender for that matter if he really wanted to he couldve made the air benders literally use air or wind to carry water or earth rubble so they would be able to use more than element and also use air or wind to bend the fire thrown at them but i think he realized the potential they had to he nerfed them as much as he could and killed off the rest to make aang still special if air bender were that OP there wouldnt really be much reason for an avatar either so air benders in general were doomed to fail and even if he just changed the fact the air nomads weren't opposed to fighting and all about peace they would still probably be able to beat the rest of the nations and the reason is solely because all of them were benders theres wasnt not one person who wasnt

[@KwamZZZZZ]

Dillon was speaking facts when he said people downplaying getting hit by rocks. Lmao that shit hurts bro!

[@tk-zay5073]

People forget about trebuchets! And earth benders throw rocks much bigger than that!

[@magicloaf8378]

Fr fr. You know them rocks they use to keep basket hoops up? Azula was literally kicking rocks of that size away from her during her fight with Aang

[@thesmothersotr]

Them fire nation ninjas kept getting waxed during Atla. Needed war balloons and tanks to get advantage.

[@favor_04]

Fr. That’s literally how Jet died by long Feng striking him with a huge rock

[@ntbored7727]

yeah i was thinking. most people cant evade those rocks and metal earthbender would be throwing like damn bullets. only the main characters because they strong af, and airbenders but the rest of the nations cant do that shit.

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

If a narrative has to kill off an entire clan that’s all you need to know 😂(they are too powerful for the story)

[@Xenowave]

Enough said.

[@versaii5519]

Enough said for sure

[@jram7115]

Cough Uzumaki Clan Cough

[@ASH-su6nb]

The narrative didn't have to kill them because they were too powerful, usually that happens when new stories can't be told without removing certain individuals, but that was the beginning of the story. The reason they had to add this was mainly to give a better story to the main character

[@CanhebeatGogeta]

They only attacked the air nomads because the air benders were the ones next in turn for the next avatar aka Aang, and they wanted to eliminate all threats(the avatar) to their conquest of the world.

[@DannyPhantom1999]

Aang says while in fire nation school, “air nation didn’t have formal military, and they were AMBUSHED” simultaneously as the comet amplified firebenders 100 fold. Air goes crazy!!!

[@FredCooperDaThird]

Aang was ready to show them which element was the strongest right there and then. The first time I really felt proud of him

[@BigReuben97]

​@FredCooperDaThird there is no strongest element. All elements are equal.

[@BTL_Ghost]

Yea plus the nomads were pacifists, but you also gotta remember, Monk Giatso had BODIES around him, so even with the comet if you catch the right airbender you are COOKED. If they put they mind to it and were bloodlusted, it’s gonna be air on top

[@kesienjobet]

yall are tripping bro it’s air. sorry but how long does the comet last for again. and in that time my dude wiped them off the map. how are they not the weakest because they can fly…. next

[@RanMaru144]

Sozin didn’t wait for the comet it just happened and he took the advantage

[@kryptonight63]

If air nomads had the mentality of the fire nation everyone would be screwed😂

[@Scrude0]

ong

[@lumynous7816]

They can literally snatch air outta peoples lungs...AND KEEP IT OUT. That will make some fire ass assasains

[@MrJamb0ree]

But they don't, so they the weakest

[@ToaoTyre]

@@MrJamb0ree No they ain't the weakest. The fire nation knew better than to attack them without the comet. The southern water tribe got mopped up at the south pole with nothing but water around them and no comet easily the weakest

[@arcordel1816]

Exactly but they’re not that’s why they the weakest idc I said what I said and we can debate bout this, y’all jus choose to be ignant

[@UncleCheekClappa]

The Air Nation lives by the motto, "Don't mistake us being peaceful for us being harmless."

[@redeemr]

Did they? Ive never seen them do anything.

[@elinama7061]

@@redeemr Because they're trained to be peaceful and pacificists. Zaheer is an example of what happens when you actually START to think about the harm you can do as an airbender. Now imagine if all the airbenders started thinking of how they can harm others with literal air that goes into every living being. It's terrifying. You get airbenders like Yangchen who can wipe out an entire room of combustion benders by removing all the air. They are pacificists for a reason

[@redeemr]

@@elinama7061 they do have the potential to do crazy shit but they don't so that's not their motto.

[@elinama7061]

@@redeemr what I mean is that it’s not their motto specifically because they would be the deadliest to human kind/living beings. Fire benders are alreadly known as violent war mongers, they don’t need another race of benders being that violent. Airbenders have a responsibility to not use their power to hurt others, only for defensive purposes primarily. Because if they were do go into the offense like actually aiming to hurt people, there’s not much you can do to stop it. You can dodge air, water and earth. You can’t escape literal air. They’re written passive so as not to be the actual villains they could be

[@notmyname9625]

Idk what u guys are talking about. There is no air nation in atla only flashbacks of them. Unless aang is raising an army of the undead i’d say at the time the story takes place they are inarguably the weakest because they have already been completely destroyed. Remember they asked whats the weakest nation not who are the weakest benders. Airbenders are some of the strongest benders but they are all dead so their nation is weak

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

I’d say the water nation is the weakest due to how a majority of the water tribe weren’t even water benders. The fire nation or air nomads would be the strongest and the earth kingdom in between

[@mopsssw]

I'd say that the earth nation is at least #2 due to the fact that the fire nation didn't even want smoke with them like that

[@emmarod8746]

The air nomads were the ones who got wiped out though. Plus bloodbending and spirtbending are some of the strongest sub-bendings in the series.

[@hxdari]

Water benders cant be the weakest because of blood bending

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

⁠@@emmarod8746The air nomads only got wiped out because of sozin’s comet which the creator stated that it increases a firebender’s powers by 100x.

[@stedsnellings9340]

​@@emmarod8746 sneak attack on the strongest day of the fire nation🤦🏾‍♂️🤣💯

[@kelo8878]

“You can spit and make a bullet” 😭

[@KLR_BAN]

Azula can spit on me

[@jeylenpeeple6049]

Or turn ur own sweat to water needles

[@KLR_BAN]

@@jeylenpeeple6049 Azula can sweat on me ong

[@kdoe9x]

ts had me dead bro😭😭

[@THECAPTAINx]

😂😂😂😂

[@Chefthesage]

Water benders be struggling in their own domain they got blicked in they own domain

[@akilbrazier1421]

😂😂

[@kig4794]

lmfao

[@ao1461]

Damn

[@ao1461]

That is crazy tho, you surrounded by nothing but water and get folded

[@Lill2895]

Only because water really is lazy by nature lol The North also doesn't allow women to do combat or men to learn to heal so they make themselves easy af targets. But their power is more devastating because they just need to draw spit, sweat, or tears to bend if they're in the desert.

[@josephg3462]

Water also had a huge sexism problem. They were actively ignoring female water benders in the middle of a 100 year WAR. The cool Water Bending came from those who weren't from the Northern Water Tribe, because they were able to leave that stifling society. Plant Bending and Blood Bending came from the people who looked around and said 'damn, normal water bending is so limited'

[@dakotalenzi7630]

Bruh it’s a fuckin Nickelodeon cartoon, cut this shit out….

[@flareb99]

Even during the sexism the women found ways to do shit like heal people, water is insanely versatile

[@lemillion7929]

​@@dakotalenzi7630why lmao? Thats literally what happened in the show. Yall niggas need to grow up

[@Nina-xo555]

@@dakotalenzi7630I mean it’s true 😂🤷🏽‍♀️

[@robertfishburn8545]

​@@dakotalenzi7630You mad, bro?

[@Mugiduck]

Leland really said it best... the world is just unbelievably balanced

[@FrostDzNz]

Not at all. The BENDING is balanced, but the world is so horribly unbalanced that everything is put on the shoulders of a lil ahh boy.

[@datbo1jay1]

@@FrostDzNzthe world itself def isn’t, that’s why they always gotta team up to beat the fire nation 😂 like water is split which makes it unbalanced from the start

[@nnoir]

@@FrostDzNz thats what they said??

[@Mugiduck]

@@FrostDzNz Yea thats what i meant. The bending is balanced but the difference happens when you consider the nations and the personalities of the people themselves

[@faintwal6843]

not balanced if fire nation drove all other nations too opression

[@jnthnmrry]

they took out the air nation first not only cause they had the new avatar, but because they were the strongest

[@noahjones3769]

I think just the fact that the new avatar being air was enough reason for Sozin to wipe them out.

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Most spiritual too

[@CrishyWakeUp]

just cuz the new avatar earth nation the strongest

[@smokedsanjl]

That just isn’t true 😭😭 the first reason is the ONLY reason they went for the air nation first

[@cokolives]

@@smokedsanjllol you know these people say anything

[@eddiedelacruz2981]

“Y’all check the weather” 😭😭

[@soulnae4560]

Honestly this just shows how good the writing was if all the elements are balanced or almost balanced

[@sakie25]

They aren’t balanced at all. The show used internal logic to make them seem balanced but the truth is the air nation is the strongest out of them and could easily resolve the conflict by themselves. Something as simple as a deadly virus spread into the battlefield or using air to send dust into fire nation troop eyes perpetually. Rendering the troop eyes useless while hardening air around their own eyes. It doesn’t matter how good any bending is if you can’t hit the enemy. There are exceptions I’m sure some high officers can fight through this but the majority of troops would get taken out. oh and Toph.

[@shadowy6969]

@@sakie25each elements gots its ups and downs

[@emmanuelakande3563]

@@sakie25no fire and earth are the strongest as nation. the sheer size wipes out water and wind. in fact the only one who stood up to the fire nation was the earth bender. the only reason the fire benders attacked the air nation was because they had the avatar. water bending might be the steogest but the have nobody they bassicly have one city it’s terrible.

[@sakie25]

@shadowy6969 Yes they do however the ups of air far surpass the others. Blood bending exists. Hama used the full moon to learn to bend water with “other things” in it inside a body. Air in a body can also be controlled. Air in a body is the same as air outside. Therefore much easier to bend than blood bending. Organ expansion and destruction. Suffocation. Throat expansion during breathing are all bending ideas with air. When creating a magic system writers write all options that can be thought of and then balance. These powers are hard to balance so get rid of air benders and make the next avatar an air bender to make the MC special. Balance. Lightning is super heated air bearing a charge. So fire benders are using an air and fire ability. An extra element to balance how weak fire benders are. @emmanuelakande3563 We are talking about individual elements not nations. Your answer is biased due to answering based on time. The answer changes simply by saying we are judging strongest nation in the time of avatar Roku before the fire nation attacked. Or after the events of Korra’s life and in the life of the next avatar. We are talking about abilities that the elements themselves can do.

[@nubbiewubbie7285]

@@sakie25 The fact that you have to make up all these hypotheticals to defend the air nation (a virus, fuckin' really bro?) shows just how sorry they are.

[@mr.positive6259]

This is what beautiful about this show man, even when you try to figure out who might be the weakest, it almost feels impossible because it’s a constant game of chess over one another. Each top bender from each nation got shit that the others don’t, that gives them advantages especially if they go against someone who is not also a top bender. That’s why we saw the tournaments from LoK. Showcasing that there’s levels to bending. That’s why if you wanna go off the Nation, the most peaceful people will always be perceived as the quote “weakest”

[@dorfinn2196]

it’s fire.

[@dorfinn2196]

Lmao jk but yea this show is great man the strongest bender of each nation fighting would be a great match

[@curtiszyr]

@@dorfinn2196which firebender from lok can take on Azula

[@ZaeOSWS]

@@curtiszyr that’s like saying “which lil rapper can take on Tupac”

[@thdaome7626]

Kinda like real life

[@strapsreloaded]

Easily the water nation. How do they fail defending against raids from the fire nation, IN THEIR OWN ELEMENT. Both poles would’ve lost without Aang

[@SplendidNinja]

They killed the moon spirit lol

[@LitoLochoss]

​@@SplendidNinja still still struggled without it

[@SplendidNinja]

@@LitoLochoss because the moon is at the core of their element lol

[@baxterrick8663]

@@SplendidNinjalook at the South Pole

[@strapsreloaded]

@@SplendidNinja they struggled even with it. B4 the culling of the South Pole water benders. We know from that old blood bender woman that they got thrashed

[@foxbobfire]

One thing you gotta take into account is Aang is the only airbender the entire show. When he was only using air in the first season he was pretty much untouchable to any average bender. I feel like the other 3 nations wouldn’t know how to fight an airbender since there hasn’t been any for a century.

[@victorm.6760]

No... how would anybody know how to fight an Airbender if they are pacifists...

[@fangiscool1]

Air benders were isolated and didn't fight. They wouldn't know how to fight them anyway

[@foxbobfire]

@@fangiscool1 true

[@foxbobfire]

@@victorm.6760 Exactly

[@jhaialx2399]

Ian gon lie he was speaking facts about water benders needing water around them to bend that’s why katara always carried around a flask of water lol

[@simplybtw]

this really proves how balanced the bending styles are theres so much stuff too consider when comparing them

[@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟ]

Its hands down fire being the weakest though

[@djbobby224]

​@@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟthe fire nation took out the air nomads and washed almost all the water benders and they almost took over the other water tribe if aang wasn't there. The only one that didn't get dominated by the fire benders completely was the earth benders

[@kc_h7h]

It's really not that complicated. The problem is the vagueness of the premise. The original premise is "which nation is the weakest" but somehow people turn that into "which bending is the weakest" If we're talking nation its obviously the water tribe

[@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟ]

@@djbobby224 And what did the fire nations need in order to take air nomads? An entire power boost from the Comet, and what with that they still needed to surprise the air nomads. And look at the amount of casualties that happened from the Monk gyatso alone. Fire is dependent on air, so it would make sense that they would need all of those advantages to barely win against air benders.

[@goddessyamato5238]

@@djbobby224because of the comets and they literally pulled with a military force while everyone was chilling even the old lady told katara that. And they was still getting washed so just imagine if everybody knew they was pulling up

[@n2g982]

air bending is the only one you can basically use at any time , regardless of eclipses comets etc

[@thegreatestever913]

Eclipses are rare

[@n2g982]

@@thegreatestever913 yeah and so is the comet , so that means most of the time air bending has a pretty big advantage

[@thegreatestever913]

@@n2g982 what...

[@Seetiyan]

The main weakness only comes from yourself, if you become less spiritual and love at odds with your principles.

[@eccentricunknown4255]

Earth too, right?

[@ItsJustFox]

Aang being basically unstoppable with only airbending in S1 should be proof enough the Airbenders are NOT the weakest.

[@datzeusboi7784]

Aang should be treated as the exception, not the norm. He is an Airbending prodigy, mastering the element at 12. A normal Airbender would probably not perform as well as he did.

[@rev418]

@@datzeusboi7784after there hasn’t been an air bender in 112 years. they probably forgot how to even fight the mfs

[@donrog5035]

Aang was a master at 12 years old. Even by the standard of the air nomad , Aang was a genius.

[@LupinKing]

@@datzeusboi7784tbh, a normal grown air bender might, but probably not another kid. Don’t forget, the reason Aang got his master tattoos was from his creation of the Air Scooter - as the requirements were either create a new bending technique OR mastered all 36 levels of air ending. He made the Air Scooter technique and got his arrows. Granted, he is still a prodigy, as he had mastered 35 of the levels by age 12, but the scooter alone is all he really would’ve needed. Also, as far as we know, every adult Air Nomad was a bending master - because every single one of them in the show had the arrows. Unless there was one that was never mentioned or shown that we don’t know about. Meaning they should all be able to fight a similar style to Aang in season 1 and would’ve given any nation problems in a straight up fight (not no sneak shit w/ a comet like the Fire Nation did)

[@hylash5444]

@@rev418 right? imagine if there was only one guy left alive who knows how to do jiu jitsu

[@maclunkey3153]

Gimme a whole Air Nation of Zaheers and everyone will know how scary air is

[@emmarod8746]

Same way if we had a whole Water Tribe of Amons and Kataras. They would be murking all the other nations.

[@TheRational1inTheRoom]

An air nation full of Tenzins would be worse. Tenzin low key had him beat until they jumped his ass 😂

[@MoonkaCake]

That could go for all the of them. Each one had OP bender.

[@OhmyZephyrus]

Gimme a whole nation of Iroh, and Ozai and it’s done…. Wind the weakest they got dropped first

[@maclunkey3153]

True, I guess I just meant a more violent mindset and less bending talent. And to be fair, Zaheer had air bending for like 2 weeks and was flying

[@datboimazz]

Bruh ngl the fact that the South Pole got all their Water Benders killed in 1 raid is crazy. On top of that Water is the only nation that the Fire Nation didn’t think they needed a comet to beat. Had it been Azula there with Zao instead of Zuko The Water Tribe may be extinct.

[@echoesact3713]

It was mutple raids. Did you even watch the show? They said, "Evertime the fire nation came back their forces got bigger and bigger"

[@datboimazz]

@@echoesact3713 You right Brodie my bad been a minute since I watched. However the South Pole still got wiped of benders by the southern raiders unfortunately. I think the Water tribe also suffers from being the only nation to be in only 2 locations they also have the most non benders. Honestly if they had the amount of people as the other nations they might be better than Earth

[@echoesact3713]

@@datboimazz oh for sure they got messed up and they had sexist problem's going on so only half of their benders could even participate in battles.

[@datboimazz]

@@echoesact3713 Yooooo I forgot about that bruh they sure did try and stop women from bending. Naahhhh they’re definitely last.

[@Memelord1117]

​@@datboimazzThat would be the earth kingdom. The fire nation and water tribes had a big minority of benders, and the air nomads were probably all benders.

[@Shadowblaze200]

People keep saying Sozin attacked the Air Nomads because they were a bigger threat, when he only attacked them first because he knew that's where the next Avatar was coming from, think he was just trying to break the cycle. As for why he waited until the comet, you got me there. Probably just wanted to stack the deck, genocide ain't easy I guess.

[@rswaggz12]

Genocide ain’t easy😭 I ain’t ever heard someone say that

[@deionshepherd1331]

THANK YOU!!

[@fangiscool1]

"As for why he waited until the comet, you got me there." You see the hole in your logic but refuse to acknowledge it lmao.

[@guyhathansaintil5218]

@@fangiscool1 not really its adressed later in the comment wiping out a whole nation is hard plus he thought there would be an avatar there why wouldnt he wait for the buff

[@FrostDzNz]

Nah someone need to make a edit of that nigga sweating saying "it aint easy" with Sozin standing in the burning air temples 😂Toss the comet flying in the background and that shit would be hilarious.

[@ItsArchieYo]

First of all, metal and lava, and kyoshi, Daí Li… on top of the fact that Ba Sing Se was the last place to get overtaken by the fire nation. You could say the northern water tribe didn’t get taken BUT that’s only cause Aang was there

[@taydaplug5807]

Facts. I feel like the water nation is the weakest, that’s why they have the most buffs in the show. And tbh, if you wanna end them, just fry the other moon fish 🤣

[@akilbrazier1421]

@@taydaplug5807That other fish would be the ocean fish 😂

[@murtajiz545]

Lava isn’t an innate ability for earth benders though. We say Bolin able to do it because him and Mako have genetics from *BOTH* Earth and Fire benders.

[@marquizeconway]

@@murtajiz545So Ghazan and earthbender wasn’t lavabending

[@SmashBrosFro]

​@murtajiz545 this was never stated anywhere 😂

[@Hawkthefox]

At 10:15 Mark: STOP SAYING THE WATER NATION IS THE WEAKEST!!! Also Mark at 11:45: “It’s lowkey water that’s the weakest”

[@TandemSKITTLEZ]

Je suis mort 💀

[@TaIIer]

He started to figure it out lol I’m telling y’all water is the weakest and don’t say blood bending or ice bending because those techniques were exclusive to certain characters. They can’t even use their bending unless they are surrounded by water.

[@TandemSKITTLEZ]

Accepter

[@GothamThotSlayer]

​@@TaIIer i think they got the best potential out of all the tribes though. The story nerfs those sub bending abilities exclusively to certain people. But an army?! ...nah its over

[@TaIIer]

@@GothamThotSlayer Every nation has potential, Air has the most because that’s the one nation that we never got to see in their prime. If the air nation was around during war against Azula and Ozai it would’ve been a slaughter.

[@frytoes]

water nation may be the weakest but purely bending wise, I gotta say fire bending is objectively the worst bending style. It has the weakest irl versatilely and usage Edit: I didn't say fire bending has zero versatility in real life, just the least of the four. Sure, you can sear wounds, but most people would literally never have to do that in their lives, nor do most people know how to do so properly. Flight is possible, but an incredibly hard thing to do. Your average firebender won't be able to fly. Korra was able to do it in the Avatar State, Azula was a prodigy (and most of her flight moments were just fire-enhanced jumps), and everyone else like Jong Jong flew during Sozin's comet iirc. You'd be able to boil water or create light sources, but not much else besides that. There are just way more perks with the other bending styles.

[@rylenmccoochie4198]

But it’s good because of how effective it is at beating/killing other benders. Lightning is lethal af. It also has no conditions to be used unlike Blood bending which needs a Full Moon. Not to mention Iroh even states fire is the element of power, I’m not saying it’s the strongest but by no means would it be the weakest.

[@Toxicpunk01]

Maybe modern day but if you live off the land fire is great for survival

[@beauwane]

but fire bending is the only bending that spawns the element

[@zoraxseven6522]

⁠@@rylenmccoochie4198but in a real world aspect like OP said, it’s the worst. Every other element beats it in irl. Water puts fire out, dirt puts fire out, and fire can’t exist without air. Not to mention using fire bending without destroying everything around you is far more difficult compare to the others. You would more likely be crushed by a rock, have the air sucked out of you, or drowned to death before you burned someone alive.

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@beauwaneYou just rocked my entire world

[@user-mx6ut6tm1t]

for me Strongest would be: 1. Fire Nation = they militarized their bending so they got the most manpower with destructive bendings. 2. Earth Nation = prioritized fortifications on their settlements. 3. Air Nation = although they built most of their settlements on mountaintops they're mostly pacifist. 4. Water Nation = most of their water benders are already imprisoned and in the northern water tribe they have a sexist views on who should be "warriors" only allowing men to be soldiers cutting their already dwindling manpower in half.

[@mtg979]

If you count the fact that most waterbenders are imprisoned then air nomads would be the weakest since there are almost no left

[@user-mx6ut6tm1t]

@@mtg979 with the one and only air nomad survivor... the Avatar Aang.

[@mtg979]

@@user-mx6ut6tm1t aang is dead and he wouldn't have been able to solo any nation all on his own or he has a very high chance of losing at least

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

Devils advocate for water Nation. Soldiers need supplies, food, water, clothing. Women in the water Nation could be the backbone of the logistical chain. It doesn't matter how powerful your soldier is, he ain't doing anything without supplies.

[@Shadowblade_-yi5hr]

If we’re talking about NATION-wise, then absolutely

[@tigerbteam]

Mong kiatso had a whole squad of fire nation soldiers laying dead at his feet when Aang found him

[@mellothirty]

That’s 1 air bender though imagine how many Amon would have killed if they came to get him

[@Tredawakandan]

That's wild i never noticed it didn't rain much in avatar😅

[@vibintrent]

I think it depends upon whether we are talking nation or bending. I think Fire is the weakest bending, but they just got mad numbers. If you look at the interactions they have won, they have always had either a once in a century accelerant and/or overwhelming numbers. If we are talking Nations I think it is water. Water had to wait on Katara to embarrass their master to get away from their sexist traditions. If they allow every bender to learn both crucial parts of bending, they could’ve been so much more powerful but they were too happily stuck in their ways

[@cooleunnings8323]

Well the question says nation so i would assume thats what there talking about

[@theelementslook]

Fire weakest… And they knew it. Which is why they was on that manifest destiny ish…

[@spoodyR3]

This facts for real fire lame asl they just overpowering

[@kingmar2009]

Water the weakest bro they let fire take over when they naturally have an advantage against them how come they never attacked during the rain ??

[@thatoneguy5001]

⁠@@kingmar2009how tf would waterbenders attack other places when it’s raining, they don’t even got phones or nothing to tell when it’s gonna rain in other places

[@hillarynomes3417]

‘ He said the air nation because they dead ‘ lmfao why did I laugh so hard at that. Why did it start like that!? 😂

[@hiirage1152]

Blood bending is too op man remember the dude from lok that was doing that shit with no hands and multiple people at once including the avatar

[@nigelvaughan5070]

I’m sorry but he right tho !! They got wiped out there no way around it

[@akilbrazier1421]

@@nigelvaughan5070But there’s a reason why and it’s not because they were the weakest. 1.) The Fire Nation needed the help of the comet, 2.) They ambushed them and caught them by surprise, 3.) The Air Nomads didn’t have a military and were pacifists. And after all of that, the airbenders still took a bunch of them down with them.

[@spoodyR3]

Katara being hella nice don’t make up for the water nation being really sorry fr because they didn’t like the woman bending even though they were stronger

[@Marcellius_weave]

Yall gotta remember blood bending can only be done on a full moon unless you’re built like Amon and unaloq

[@lukeedison1632]

Alright, I think I’ve got a solid answer. If the prompt is “during ATLA, rank nations by strength” then the order obviously goes air weakest, then water, then earth, then fire. If the question is “what nation has the most powerful bending style?” Then the order goes water strongest, then air, then earth, then fire. Finally, if the question is “during ATLA, what nation has the most skilled benders?” Then the order would be Air, Fire, Water, Earth. I think that about does it.

[@Delivee.]

“You could spit and make a bullet”. Dylan 💀

[@ulisesramirez1904]

its a never ending argument because they all have strengths and weaknesses but they are all perfectly BALANCED

[@Anne-mn9fs]

Amon and his family are not perfectly balanced with anyone 💀💀 they are on thier own level

[@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟ]

Fire still the weakest

[@curtiszyr]

@@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟ and yet they’re biggest threat 😂

[@ΤΟΣΠΟΥΔΑΙΟ]

@@curtiszyr Untill they actually had to fight head on instead of waiting to get buffed and then surprised attacking air nomads. That also correlates with how Azula needed to surprise attack Aang with lightning from behind.

[@XXSteel]

@@curtiszyrbecause they’re always plotting, they don’t fight fair

[@memphisbeatzgb1632]

Air nation could make tornadoes if provoked, water benders could flood the earth, earth benders could cause earthquakes and we already saw fire benders scorch the earth😂

[@A62119]

Except fire benders need the comet

[@shadyshinichi2JZ]

Can air benders remove the oxygen and render fire useless? No air , no fire. Air can control water was well.

[@dorfinn2196]

Earthbenders can also be immortal and bonebending(reinforcing there bones)

[@jockdapusza2093]

@@shadyshinichi2JZ I’m pretty sure if aang could do it ozai, he would’ve. If aang couldn’t do it then nobody can

[@samuraituff9653]

Actually fire doesn't need oxygen really it just makes it better and more usable without it the fire would just be weak but how can you take oxygen away from fire I never seen them being able to do that now they could put it out but there's always a chance of just making the fire more stronger also if they do that they could just restart it And also if fire really mastered there power and started using lightning and blue flames or white or lava or making explosives out of the air but just using the air to explode it's over. Now for water I really don't know tbh ​@@shadyshinichi2JZ

[@keithstacy4248]

The water nation has the strongest villains we've seen. Yakone, Amon, Tarlok, Unalaq, Ming-hua. Plus they have the most environmental buffs like rain and a full moon. Also feels like the most versatile element when you change forms to water, ice, or snow.

[@keiranmorrisart]

But as a nation they don't have the heart like that

[@keithstacy4248]

@@keiranmorrisart This is just blatantly wrong. Idk where people are getting the idea that the water tribe is soft or that they don't have heart. Firstly, they are quite literally FILLED with warriors. Also in their culture, family plays a much more important role compared to other nations and this gives them a much stronger desire to protect. THAT is heart. And in a fight they won't be mindless, fodder soldiers like the fire nation... they'll fight as a people, with incredible chemistry and trust.

[@K-qm4kt]

Water nation definitely ain’t the strongest😂

[@keithstacy4248]

@@K-qm4kt I feel like they could be if they weren't so split between the north, the south and the swamp.

[@ManOfYah-work-in-progress]

​@@keithstacy4248that's an excellent point

[@kyronpitts6220]

Im tellin you now take out special abilities. 100 average of every nation working together in a war setting? No one is beating earth benders. The defense is too high. No lightning or tech from the fire nation? Its over. They will quake the whole battlefield.

[@symaliwilliams1155]

Unlimited ammo to

[@MohamedHassan-qm8yr]

Well this is stupid cause why are you taking away sub-bending?💀Thats like saying “take away Steph curry shooting” like no it’s what makes the DNA of their bending.

[@pimpking5000]

How ba sing sei lasted the 100 yrs

[@kyronpitts6220]

@@MohamedHassan-qm8yr becuase no one can do it. Literally toph discovers it metal. Zuko nearly dies learning lightning. And bloodbending only worked on full moons. So no. An average bender aint doing that.

[@Londonlink]

Well air bending would still be dangerous what if they suck the air out the immediate area and only put Air bubbles around themselves good luck Earth Bending with no oxygen.

[@pattyfife832]

If we’re talking everybody is at their peak so: earthbending at their peak has lava, mud, metal and sand bending. This arguably could be the most unstoppable category. Defensewise it tops the list. If we’re being technical Metal bending is a great counter to lightning which they can redirect if they are around it. The iq of earth benders are also at the top of the list. Mud bending can be used if they are in a rainstorm and not enough solid earth is around them. Air bending seems to be the simplest of the bunch but also very slept on. Air benders can fly and are the most agile and fast of the benders. They are also very calm and relaxed ppl even in combat due to their monk lifestyle. They trained every single day at laser focus more than any other nation. They can also take the breath out of anyone’s lungs which almost cannot be prevented unless you are able to one shot them or take control of them aka with blood bending. If we’re also being technical here too they can change air currents (granted they’re strong enough) and change the weather which could greatly affect water and fire benders by either creating storms by changing fronts and making it hard for fire benders OR making it extremely hot and harder for water benders. Water bending is a slept on group as well. Water benders at full peak potential can take water from anything that holds moisture whether it be the dew on grass, water in plants, sweat, rain, etc. not only this but they can create ice with this water in an instant. Water benders are also great healers as well. Now water benders having blood bending is probably the most op ability next to pulling air from someone’s lungs but the difference is though someone may lose their breath due to the loss of air they could still get off moves before they finally collapse depending on the situation, blood bending is completely immobilizing preventing any control of one’s body unless they go into an avatar state which only avatars can do. They would be able to stop any and everybody at will with this. The also can seemingly drown most opponents as well. Fire benders are probably the most ferocious of the 4. Based on pure power they probably have the best offense. Their lightning bending is powerful and extremely fast probably the fastest ability in the show and extremely hard to counter. Though in terms of defense fire benders are either second to worst or the worst of the 4. Fire benders can also learn the combustion technique which would be able to dismantle pretty much all other bending techniques with the sonic explosion. Firebenders biggest weakness is water. Overall it’s extremely close and super balanced, but fire is probably the weakest of the 4 but not by much at all just barely. I consider earth and water the strongest due to the amount of hax they have at full peak form. Air doesn’t match up too well with earth and earth is just overall better rounded so I can’t put air above earth. Bloodbending being the most broken ability puts water at the top. Fire bending nation often overpowered the others bc of 1 sozans comet, 2 they had far better numbers, and 3 the other nations had some mental block (water preventing women from truly being skillful in water bending dwindling their numbers, air them being monks and avoiding combat, and earth being the second strongest nation and most targeted due to the air nation being eliminated and water benders being too stingy to send help due to their numbers being low). Does it mean they’re weak? Hell no but they just don’t have the hax or enough counters for each other nation.

[@akilbrazier1421]

This was probably the most well thought out assessment of the power levels in the world of Avatar

[@kanjilearnin24]

Air bending is like Judo imo, they just shift momentum but we have to see bloodlust air bending so it’s hard to say their potential on offense.

[@ucheparker]

This is a well balanced assessment

[@lemon41de]

Elements wise, this was a great assessment, but the question was who was the weakest nation as it exists (in ATLA timeline) Which I believe was the water tribe. They were struggling on their own turf. The fire nation needed the comet to attack the Air Nomads while they pulled up to the northern water tribe like gangstas on the full moon

[@derangederdx8244]

@@lemon41deiirc both times, the fire nation doesn’t attack them fully while the moon was up. Zhao was a scum and eliminated the moon causing the WB to either lose or weaken in bending. It would be like killing all the dragons and destroying the sun.

[@princemannic]

fun fact : every member of the air nomads is a bender due to spiritual purity so if you 100 one hundred members from each nation ONLY they would have 100 benders

[@spoodyR3]

Damn they really the strongest nation than 100 to 100

[@Ninjacob00]

Air Nomads really got the best bender per capita ratio 😭

[@emmanuelakande3563]

@@spoodyR3not true all of them are peaceful and only a few can fight while the rest are just fodder

[@pollo8414]

@@emmanuelakande3563pretty sure airbender a can fight and they just avoid it as long as possible

[@emmanuelakande3563]

@@pollo8414 yeah but they all aren’t powerful and you’re right they can dodge but they have no fire power

[@victhebric66]

"The Air Nation because they're dead" is cold AF 😂😂💀💀

[@nubbiewubbie7285]

straight fax tho

[@MixerHaven1975]

Incorrect

[@dreking54]

Leland tripping too.. katara literally pulled water outta thin air b4 😂

[@spoodyR3]

Katara carrying the water nation reputation hard because they really lost all the time even though a majority of the planet is water

[@150Hello]

​@@spoodyR3Facts, the Water Nation, really be getting pressed in their own turf while surrounded by water 😂

[@thecaprikid1329]

All airbenders were born benders because of the spiritually in their culture. However the smallest population. Water Tribe, Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation all have small bender populations in comparison to nonbenders but Earth Kingdom having the largest pop in the world also has (in percentage) the smallest amount of their benders. This was canon material from ATLA magazine material back in the early 2000s. That said, Waterbending is the "weakest" to me because of its source needing to be around. Strongest = violent or aggressive is not a solid meaure. With bending, resourcefulness is more valuable 😂

[@jayr6839]

Blood bending?

[@jayr6839]

There’s water vapor all around us too so there’s always water

[@dchen2140]

​@@jayr6839only like 4 people in the history of the water nation knew how to blood bend.

[@john-adriancoker2789]

Then that poses the question of which Nation is the most resourceful? I'd say Water because of the following & Iroh's explanation of the essence of each nation: Water Blood Healing Spirit Plant

[@Reallybruh99]

You didn’t pay attention they can blood bend and pull water from plants and the air

[@clutchpedro208]

People don’t even realize airbenders can just start creating tornadoes out their ass and just fuck everything up 😂😂😂😂

[@Tony-xj8lp]

This is a debate that needs to be scheduled and planned ahead so we all could get in this. I’m looking and see 4 days ago. All nations have the power to literally bend the life out of you.

[@mattgood3873]

Theres a reason the show runners killed off the air nation ( and kept the others). What does an air bender do in a pro bending match??? Dodge attacks??

[@sylent8428]

If an airbender went to any probending match and replaced one of the other elements, he's not losing. He will cary 1v3. Korra literally soloed a match just because she got the footwork right, Only footwork and she soloed

[@mattgood3873]

@@sylent8428 to which episode are you referring; S01E02? Because thats not what happened. Korra was pushed to zone three, while Mako and Bolin remained in Zone 1. Their opponents were focused on knocking her off(to win the match). But, using footwork, she was able to dodge their attacks, long enough for Mako and Bolin to take them out...She soloed nothing; in fact she was just a decoy.. ALSO none of the other benders were taught by an Airbending master(or any master for that matter). Therefore Korra was the only person familiar with the footwork..

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Air benders have tornadoes, wind gusts, can push objects, fly, don’t sleep on airbenders.

[@huntertezz]

Knock them off the ring?

[@erict6276]

This discussion made me so happy

[@z00ko]

Honestly it’s gotta be fire. Utility wise, bending wise it’s just fire and lightning. You can kinda fly with it like a jetpack but ehh. All the other moves can stop your flow or control your limbs. You can legit make metal walls and expand them out so no fire or lightning or air or water ever hits you. You lava bend, you can control their body to shut down their bending as well. We’re made of minerals so you can technically mineral bend a human and even control their limbs with the metal braces. Imagine taking all the iron & minerals out of a human body! Talk about iron deficiency. Immune system would shut down. You can build the tightest walls and most compact objects so the density alone is insane. A somewhat strong earth bending is neutering a somewhat strong water and fire bender. The ability to make mistakes against earth is nonexistent. You can’t get hit. They have the best defense. Don’t forget they can reinforce themselves with the aang earth armor around him. Earth doesn’t mean rock. It means soil, grass etcc. So you’d be good at neutralizing fires. And in mud you can still move the earth so you can psuedo water bending with that or lava. Water you have blood bending ice, and water the strongest force in this earth. Water at a concentrated PSI can literally cut through everything on this earth. The whole black community saved. You never gonna drown you can freeze for stronger blocking. You can even pull water out of the air, not just flowers or trees. Water can heal people too Air accessibility it’s never weak. You can fly, you’re the most mobile. You can take the air out of any benders lungs. Tornadoes. You can legit repel anything that’s thrown at you like a forcefield with enough wind pressure. Air definitely not the weakest. Your attack counters pretty much every other bending in the series.

[@versaii5519]

The thing you’re forgetting about is that water benders and Airbenders have access to the air and water in their own bodies. Obviously you’d have to be extremely skilled to not die while doing this, but theoretically they could escape from a hypothetical prison that metal vendors could put them in using this

[@z00ko]

@@versaii5519 that’s true too. Like their own sweat. My point was that fire is the weakest easily

[@cooleunnings8323]

Your confusion the question its not what is the weakest element but the weakest nation. Yes air is a very strong element but u have to look at the people welding them, the monks are pacifists and have no military unlike the fire nation, who to you have the weakest element but they had the military necessary to subdue the rest

[@z00ko]

@@cooleunnings8323 that was the question but they talked exclusively about the bending. Meaning the bending that they use as a nation.

[@PiracyAgreement]

If all are locked in grind time, 1. Aang (Just Air) 2. Azula 3. Toph 4. Katara Don't forget Aang is a dang airbending genius. He's not a warrior but he got that dawg in him. So once it's grind time, he gon beast mode.

[@spoodyR3]

Katara smarter than azula and toph tho she could straight up blood bend either of them she retired azula

[@sydneysmom3680]

@@spoodyR3nahhhh not Azula. Toph vs Katara would be interesting tho bc idk how Toph would be able to see and keep up with katara movements fr. Like I imagine it’d be hard for her to predict and see katara movements through the ground bc waterbending (at least kataras style) doesn’t rely on ground movements. And knowing Toph she’d probably breakout blood bending some way somehow even though it’s hard

[@chrisevans60]

By the same logic that they all got wiped out , one air bender also saved/changed the world and revitalized the air nation amidst the fire nations strongest era of rule.

[@cooleunnings8323]

He was the avatar nubhead

[@tarelle5463]

Like y’all don’t even think he mastered all 4 elements when he did that

[@youngOGTelly]

Azula was built differently!! Zuko, in fact, knew she was off. Plus, he technically had Katara as support. She had the highest firepower, and she could bend lightning just like Ozai. Zuko just knew how to redirect it.

[@TahniZCat2]

She didn't bend lightning like ozai, Azula had to generate it 5 seconds top. Ozai only needed a slither of light from the sun that he didn't need to see, to flick his wrist and generate lightning in less than a second Also season 2 katara solo'd Azula and almost beat her, trapping her arm and leg, until zuko saved her. Mind you, this was Azula in her right mind, not Azula in season 3 off her game.

[@youngOGTelly]

@TahniZCat2 good point. However, in the beginning, she was most definitely getting jumped a lot though. Even though Zuko saved her, the fight wasn't going to he over if he hadn't. She would've picked up on Katara. The fight would've been even.

[@TahniZCat2]

@@youngOGTelly that's fair. Also as a counter point, everyone likes to talk about how Azula lost to Katara at the end because she was off her game, but act as if Azula wasn't going berserk the whole time when she beat zuko. Literally katara's face when she froze herself and Azula in ice said it all seeing Azula had 2 fingers up; being a split second too close to getting her head blown off by lightning

[@youngOGTelly]

@@TahniZCat2 exactly. Sozen's Comet Arc, The plan was to jump Azula. Whether she was off(berserk) or not. She was trying to be tactical splitting them up. She could tell by them pulling up together that they were initially trying to jump her.

[@detekOP]

The argument was never about bending. In terms of bending air bending for combat is top 2. A nation is more than its benders, other nations have militaries that include non benders as well. You can’t take the feats of one bender and apply that to all benders of the same element, that’s like looking at Toph or Ozai and saying all benders are on that level. Bending is martial arts. Monk gyatso was considered the greatest airbender at the time as stated by aang. Dude was best friends with avatar Roku. He is the exception not the rule. When you look bending specifically air is not the weakest but as a nation they definitely are. They aren’t called the “air nation” they are air nomads.

[@jahkrmusic]

Exactly! I agree with this. They are downplaying extinction which is crazy. I could understand if it was under environmental hazards but the whole nation got off-screened. That's incredibly weak. They are more like a Air Group lol

[@datzeusboi7784]

THANK YOU! I find it weird how they kept talking about the bending when that wasn't the question.

[@sumterlb]

Dylan: "You can spit and make a bullet" 😂😂😂

[@trader-matt]

Fire has lighting Earth has metal and sand Water has ice and blood Air just has air that should tell you something

[@boostmefujumoto]

Air is lethal when it wants to be. it’s the most Versatile out of all the nations. If Aang can easily morph air into a dome ball and balance on it, Then he can easily morph it into a cleave type strike.

[@ap11plays12]

that doesn't tell you anything. Air is already so versatile with the possible abilities. Flying, taking the oxygen from a human, creating a tornado, Just being able to push and deflect other elements, the list goes on.

[@RJWM1999]

Also Air is readily available. And doesn't grow weaker. Fire is weaker at night and non existent during an eclipse. That's a lethal weakness.

[@trader-matt]

@@ap11plays12 fire benders can fly.... water benders surf..... Taking oxygen is still air bending try again

[@ap11plays12]

@@trader-matt bro I know it’s still air bending, I’m saying that don’t need a second type of bending because it’s so versatile

[@jacorybenson]

“Double xp weekend” 😂

[@sam16244]

Toph would smokes Azula's pack

[@taydaplug5807]

Stop it

[@coolcathowl]

Yea you wildin lol. Azula would smoke Toph and Toph is ELITE. Azula was just that damn good

[@ninjanarutonightman]

​@@coolcathowlYet Azula can't beat Katara during the underground Ba Sing Se where Zuko has to save Azula from Katara. The Azula glazing has got to stop.

[@sam16244]

@@ninjanarutonightman Facts, I swear that if she doesn't targeted Katara by surprise during her Agni Kai against Zuko, he would have expose her. Season 3 isn't her season no more.

[@leonrobinson8180]

​@@coolcathowl Exactly. One lightning bolt and Toph is DONE. Can't counter what you can't see.

[@MrSupersayian4goku]

Uhh, Air bending literally negates Firebending, suck the oxygen out from your opponent and they can't produce flames. And if we wanted to get technical, water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen, so theoretically an airbender could manipulate the oxygen in the water, similar to bloodbending. Hands down the most OP group

[@Kl6622]

Technically water nation can convert air to into water because Oxygenated is water in the atmosphere so water nation is actually op, but they don't know how to do it yet

[@SoulKingBK]

Fax Hama showed it was possible to water out of the air. unless they’re in a desert they can still fight

[@TheDrock08]

Toph is the only character to never lost a fight

[@keyproblems7590]

Nah she lost to aang when they first met for the belt.

[@Mr.sosolid]

Water. They stabbed the ying Yang fish and lost all their powers

[@AYO_KO]

Fire the weakest. They only have overwhelming offense and no defense. Also remember, EVERY SINGLE BENDER needs water n air to operate.

[@Eli-akad]

Lava bending was a mix of fire and rock bending so u couldn’t really put that as just a 2nd fire nation ability. And they hoed Leland when he brought up the point about water benders needing something around them to bend. While yea water is everywhere, only really gifted water bender we’re doing that in the series so Leland had a good point. Plus in an area with no humidity it’s over for a water bender

[@Aesthxtics-]

Nah lava bending was strictly earth bending. It’s molten rock so that’s just earth not fire. But I agree with the Leland thing

[@Eli-akad]

@@Aesthxtics- that’s cap cause in the flash backs of the avatar Roku (a fire bender) he was seen fire bending lava right before he dies. But if u want to get technical it’s a mix of earth and heat or fire. Just like how it took both Toph and Katara to bend mud which is both earth and water mixed, if they wanted to to the creators of the show could’ve did the same for lava

[@spoodyR3]

Most likely the avatar can only do that shi fr

[@drakonlegend4452]

1-Earth 2-Fire 3-Air 4-Water Earth is ridiculous, you have your resource literally everywhere, and lava and steel bending are scary. Ba sing se is also ridiculous, and earth kingdom cities defy physics due to their bending. Fire is extremely technologically advanced compared to the other tribes. Didn’t win the war because they were fighting in multiple fronts. Can create fire from nowhere, and that’s OP. Air nomads were not warlike and peaceful, and as a nation pretty weak as they had 4 small settlements. Only above water because air bending is OP, and the strongest bending. Water nation wasn’t even trying, people living in huts, hunting for a living, super underdeveloped. Northern water tribe is a bit better, but still. Fire nation was pulling up with war-ships and they were using spears 💀

[@scorponicdragonm.p.t.]

It's definitely the Air Nation. The Airbender is naturally weaker against a fire bender and ineffective against an earth bender. I'm not completely sure how water vs. air matches up but I stand on the Airbenders being the weakest in terms of fighting strength.✌🏿👍🏿

[@hu6284]

It's just our affinity to the protagonist air is the coolest yet the weakest, it does have X factor tho

[@babauzuafa5332]

bro what? fire without air is what? water without air is what? The term weathering for breaking down of rocks is due to what? AIR nation can easily be OP

[@sylegacy4470]

And someone here just outed themselves out as a straight causal. SMH lmao. You do know that Airbenders have banned the techniques of expanding the air inside people’s lungs since it is a dangerous threat to a person’s life. And airbenders have the potential to create hurricanes and take out the oxygen of people’s bodies can causing them to have hypoxia and hallucinate…. INSTANTLY incapacitating their opponents. Dawg, if you said Air Nomads as a Nation being the weakest cuz they have no formal military. THEN you would have a solid point. But as an element, the Air benders are secretly the MOST deadly fighters. Imagine an entire Air Nation full of Zaheer’s, come back to me.

[@sylegacy4470]

Bruh this dude lmao, dawg just imagine an entire Air Nation full of Zaheers if they actually wanted to be violent. Stop the cap. Plus, you didn’t elaborate whatsoever as to why the other elements are better……💀

[@babauzuafa5332]

@@sylegacy4470 exactly talm bout naturally weaker. My nigga aang was using wing chun on them niggas and let the firebenders destroy themselves in battle. imagine the whole air nation being on that type of timing

[@noahjones3769]

Ya'll underestimating Earth. Remember that with earthbending you can read minds, sense vibrations, metal can conduct heat and electricity. The fact there is really no clear cut answer on who the weakest nation is just shows how great the authors were able to depict balance. But if I had to choose the weakest, its between water and fire only because they are the 2 elements of the 4 that are affected by celestial bodies (aka the Sun/Comet or the Moon/Eclipse) good or bad where as Earth and Air remains neutral despite them. I hate to say this but I might go water and I know bloodbending is an OP ability but I also remembered in Book One that Zhao literally killed the moon spirit and the water benders lost their bending (and Yue had to sacrifice to bring it back). If 2 Koi Fish spirits and the Moon are the source of their power versus a Comet and the Sun then I might give fire the edge. But again there is no clear cut answer for ANY nation and that's great writing for this show!

[@Abdul-wahaabKhalil]

I love how the entire chat just makes up random stuff like air bending being able to take away oxygen from water bendings to nullify it. When have we ever seen this in he show? People just be making stuff bruh. Even mark said "air bending can stop breathing" when have we ever seen aang stop anyone from breathing. In theory it may work but you cant say it can if it never happened. Thats like saying a martial artist can do a kick. Well you never know that unless you have seen them do it.

[@akilbrazier1421]

Just because we haven’t seen them do it doesn’t mean they can’t. I mean, it’s pretty obvious that they can with their abilities. Aang never did it because he’s not ruthless or a murderer. And actually, I normally don’t like to mention LoK but I’m pretty sure Zaheer did it before. I could be remembering wrong though.

[@camdenjones5200]

Zaheer took the air out of the earth queen with the asphyxiation bubble and almost killed Korra with it too if the airbenders didn’t help with the tornado

[@Abdul-wahaabKhalil]

@@akilbrazier1421 bro there is no "what if" when it comes to canon. If the writer didn't write it then it can't happen. That's like saying "we've never seen krillin go ultra instinct so that doesn't mean he can't do it". If they haven't done something then that's tough, doesn't mean you have to implement 20 different attacks that you have never seen. By that logic anyone can do everything. We've never seen katara use air bending, does that mean she can air bend? Also the legend of korra is trash so I wouldn't take anything from there.

[@akilbrazier1421]

@@Abdul-wahaabKhalil That makes no sense and isn’t an argument. Clearly Krillin isn’t strong enough to go Ultra Instinct as he’s one of the weakest Z fighters and overall weakest characters in Dragon Ball lol. And obviously Katara can’t air bend since 1.) she isn’t the avatar, and 2.) she’s a water bender, and since she isn’t the avatar she can only bend water. So my point is, at some point we have to use our own logic and think critically when it comes to this stuff. Aang is the strongest air bender at the time he was coming up, and taking the air out of someone’s lungs would be relatively easy for someone of his skill. He only doesn’t do it because he doesn’t kill and isn’t ruthless. But it doesn’t take a genius level intellect or for them to show us for us to figure that he can most likely take the air out of someone’s lungs. I don’t need to be spoon fed information to be able to draw my own conclusions. It’s called critical thinking.

[@Abdul-wahaabKhalil]

@@akilbrazier1421 "clearly krillin isn't strong enough to go ultra instinct" yet you make the same comments that if one air bender can do something so can All of them. That's just a literal contradiction in saying krillin can't go ultra instinct and all air benders can do the same moves. You just said so yourself that Aang was the strongest airbender and are stating things everyone already knows yet still comes up with this argument that makes 0 sense. If Aang is the strongest airbender and you say "we haven't seen him do this because it isn't in his nature" well then what's the point in arguing about it when he would never use it regardless. Doesn't matter about what if or what could happen. That isn't how you measure feats or actual things to compare. There has to be certainty otherwise there's no point even speaking about the topic since your making half of the arguments up without any actual proof of the move being easy and doable by most air benders. My statements are simple comparisons and by you proving the statements wrong by saying the characters are weak you just proved my point further of people just not thinking and just copying what mark or Leland says which isn't smart at all. We've been given a brain so I suggest people to use theirs and think of all perspectives because there will always be one that you wouldn't have been able to think about.

[@doccavs723]

I think geographically, water nation may be the most vulnerable. When your two mainland are placed at both ends of the world, communication and cooperation is practically lost. In ATLA, southern water tribe doesn't even feel like a nation and they were constantly being attacked by the fire nation and the northern water tribe did not or was not able to provide help to their sister tribe. Maybe you can argue that maybe the air nation too has a similar vulnerable state plus they do not have a formal military, but at least they may still have a chance for coordination since they are relatively not that distant to each other.

[@mad_matt781]

When the fire nation threw the world of balance air ended up being the weakest nation wise

[@alphasierrabravo5905]

People forget Fire NEEDS air to survive. Control the air, and fire benders stand no chance, even with the comet buff😂

[@marquisanderson4805]

It’s fire. They had 100 years and did nothing in a war. They needed a comet to even mess with the air benders plus all the prep time.

[@xthagreat2820]

Fire gotta be the weakest because the average fire bender is using anger and once you loose that you got nothing reason why zuko had to re learn fire bending the correct way . The lightning is crazy but you can’t just be regular with that you gotta learn that control first .

[@koolkiwidude3820]

I’ve come to agree with it… it depends on the setting of the fight. You can argue night and day what nation is capable of what but as far as we seen in both shows, your power depends on the setting the bender is in it. Benefits: Water Tribe… Full Moon, Night Time, Body of water Fire Nation… Comet, Day Time, Warmer Climate (weird but Zuko does mention this) Earth Kingdom… Plain Land Scape, Metal surroundings, the ground itself (assuming they know seismic sense like Toph) Air Nomads… Spiritual connection (takes hard focus as Janora puts it), and just about anywhere with anything their imagination allows

[@koolkiwidude3820]

However… if I had to chose it has to be that the Air Nomads are the weakest nation. Not because they are dead, lmaaaoo! But because to achieve their high levels of power it takes a whooole lot of focus, more than the other nations would need too. Even in legend of Korra, they mention that the New Air Nation has an advantage in a fight because the world hasn’t prepared themselves to fight an air bender in over 100 years… But that was the only reason mentioned

[@koolkiwidude3820]

And before you say “well let’s just compare them at their max potential”… you can’t. According to Zaheer, there is no max. The powers of the four elements will continue to evolve on forever. Making the power of the Avatar limitless

[@abeharewood9683]

Mark saying he doesn’t know how he’ll lose in a body of water when mako showed you just have to electrocute the water that they are in.

[@lumynous7816]

Air is OP if used right. They can literally snatch air outta peoples lungs...AND KEEP IT OUT. That will make some fire ass assassins

[@vanillaboy4514]

Earth Nation would be the strongest if they went on the offensive. They could easily destroy any city by creating an earthquake underneath or something.

[@ericbrown7628]

Bro it’s water because if someone kills the Koi fish at the north pole, they’re done

[@emmanuelonwumah915]

Also the air nation is the only nation (before genocide) where every single member can bend. Other nation it be hella people that don’t got no bending ability

[@samamander_]

Y’all be forgetting earth has lava bending and is the LARGEST nation, only reason they got bodied before water tribe is cause fire nation knew they were the strongest

[@vantravisemoss9034]

Happy to see people who share my childhood be happy

[@KYOHHMUSIC]

If the question is exclusively about which nation is the weakest, one would assume that a nation would be judged on how strong/weak they are militarily, and what is the average strength and skill set of said military. both air and water are weak in manpower, they (air nation) are more battle ready due to the monk's constant training. I think in all the other nations, they seemed to have a higher percentage of benders in their population that would also be at a capable level than the water tribe.

[@dshawncrothers]

Bro they needed the comet to even have a chance of beating the air temple because their elements are opposites

[@christiancardus3850]

Double XP Weekend is crazy 💀💀💀

[@Vengeance98390]

I’d say fire bending ain’t gonna lie, air can blow out fire. Water can extinguish fire. And earth can stomp out fire. Sure some of them have lightning but that’s so uncommon it doesn’t even matter lmao.

[@faith4657]

Needing water around is a factor to why watsr could be consixerex the weakest. But with enough resources and skill, they are cold. The elements are just too balanced to decide.

[@boowho817]

Firebenders needed the comet to run the fades with the Air Nomads, and the Nomads still caught hella bodies. Imagine how the invasion would've gone if Sozin's Comet wasn't a factor.

[@aballofgrime7273]

It's the air nomads because they don't have a military. It doesn't take 20 minutes to figure that out.

[@AshtnSaddler]

obviously air is not the weakest but think about in the subbending way. Earth and Fire both have 2 crazy sub elements compared to water even though blood bending is very good, and earth is all element negation so i would say in this case its water tribe

[@taylorvsgames9490]

" They could only beat them with the comet and ambush". is more of an argument for fire nation being stronger and air not being weak. The fact that they can get a bending boost and are willing and capable of pulling off defeating an opposing force that not only has the high ground but controls the very thing that they have to travel through. Air could steal the air from lungs, they could wipe out a nation...but would they is the question and the for the average air bender the answer would be no. All other nations have killers while air has the softest people, no disrespect.

[@Fw_dontavious__]

Even during the attack we might hav to assume the AN(air nation) stood 10 toes on they principles and didn’t kill or at least most of em didn’t cause they jus not killers even tho they got the most potential to be

[@spoodyR3]

@@Fw_dontavious__you saw all those fire nation dead soldiers?? Fuck you mean they was catching bodies when it came to them we just never saw nothing but like the bodies was there bro so..

[@bandoothaguru_3373]

You did nothing but prove why the fire nation needed a once in a lifetime occurrence to wipe out a entire nation 😂

[@taylorvsgames9490]

@@bandoothaguru_3373 the last four words is the important part of your comment.

[@dannygarcia6985]

This entire convo is hysterical

[@desiraewillis1702]

It is and I love every bit of it 😂

[@masterbrice]

To be fair, air amplifies fire, so they were at a disadvantage.

[@TWillGodsWill]

You can’t run to the water from a Earth bender. Bro can changed the entire structure of the land

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

Water not the weakest it has the most applications, for its normal bending

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

Like ppl forget swamp bending, taking water from plants or out the air,

[@Hitstream305]

So we ain’t gonna act like monk gyatso didn’t stand ten toes until his death where his skeleton was found next to a room full of fire nation skeleton.

[@carriel9954]

Waterbending is the most powerful imo. They can heal, spirit bend, and blood bend. Blood bending is the most powerful and deadliest. If you watched legend of Korra, amon was hands down the strongest villain. Only the avatar could defeat him and even Korra struggled. Amon took a lot of people’s bending away with blood bending. He could blood bend without a full moon.

[@audrikcarter6642]

Zaheer came close to kill Korra, air is by far the strongest

[@carriel9954]

@@audrikcarter6642 you do realize that he had to weaken Korra to be able to do that. The poison had weakened her so it was a lot easier for him to almost kill her. Tarlok and Amon dad almost killed aang. Aang had to go into the avatar state to save himself.

[@nickvlachos2698]

The craziest part of this show is, the fire nation is the weakest out of the four. It took a 100 year comet, surprise attack and the avatar disappearing, in order for them to win.

[@JayFlocko]

imagine your opp has double takeover + Boost and they ambush you on their most powerful day…

[@HyugaVault]

Water: Body Control Air: Can bend your breath. Only loses to blood bending Fire: So many variations. Unless you're an elite *Breath* or blood bender it's over Hate to say it because it's my second favorite but Earth. Not instant enough for a kill against elite benders

[@JordanNewbz]

Weakest to strongest: 1. Water 2. Air 3. Fire 4. Earth

[@extracrispy9229]

Something they don’t talk about is how basically every air nation person we saw was a bender. No other nation had that high of a bending to non bender ratio when we went to the fire earth and water nations we saw a ton of people who couldn’t bend. It’s probably something to do with the spirituality of being a monk but also you just can’t survive in the air nation without being a airbender like how are you going to live in a upsidown temple if you can’t fly? 😂

[@rainbowphoinexx2606]

The fire nation didn't wait to jump any other nation during the comet. The air nation for sure not the weakess.

[@mikelforreal]

Fire nation could’ve attacked any of the other nations first, but they knew that the avatar was going to be a based air bender

[@mikelforreal]

The fire nation also attacked during sozins comet which overpowered the fire nation over any of the other nations