Re: My Problem With Vegans (Nicole Rafiee)

[@UnnaturalVegan]

A patron recommended these for non-leather work boots stcfootwear.com/products/keep

[@holliegreen2304]

You said meat makes you vomit in a blurb. My daughter also will be physically sick if she eats meat. Since before she could talk she would refuse meat. Then had to have surgery from a blockage. From what I now think is forcing her to eat meat. That’s why we are vegan now, but I have never got medical answers as to why she gets so sick from meat. Was just wondering if you ever had or heard of a diagnosis of meat aversion. People literally won’t believe her and try to serve her meat anyway. It has become a lifestyle for more reasons than her aversion, but if they “trick” me I’ll be fine. She would be sick for weeks.

[@emmab.1328]

Could you do a video on how you celebrate Easter? If you do. Dying eggs is an important tradition in my family

[@davidthescottishvegan]

@@holliegreen2304 I have a friend that has a meat allergy or meat aversion so she became vegetarian and when she got married her husband became vegetarian but 2 years they became vegan because she started having problems with the dairy but unfortunately her son is still vegetarian because he is addicted to dairy.

[@addie2754]

i’ve been vegan for 4 years and I never watched animal cruelty footage. i figured since i couldn’t even push myself to do it i should probably go vegan.

[@TUG657]

Oh wow. Wish there were more people like you with that common sense! But I think it’s very important to show people animal cruelty footage, because it’s the most shocking thing that non-vegans see. It’s the most effective way to convince people to go vegan, IMO. Because you can’t truly know how bad thing are, till you see with your own eyes, unless you are a person like you (addie)...

[@piau1798]

Wow, this is a very admirable way of seeing things. I myself was vegetarian since the age of 10, despite my whole family eating meat, and only did the switch to vegan a year ago at 23 when I got myself to watch dominion. I don’t cry easily but I teared up in the first 15 minutes, it was so devastating. I had to pause and watch it a week later with my boyfriend, just to have a person to talk to. I always pictured it “bad” but the reality traumatised me in a way. So I think it’s very beneficial to not having to watch this footage to do the step!

[@knownothingish]

@MdoubleHB Are you being sarcastic?

[@jasonito23]

I recommend that you watch some of the documentaries because most of them go beyond the cruelty to other sciences such as climate change and health.

[@Amanda-rv5hz]

same, I don't need to watch them to know what is going on... and I don¨t want to either, I can read about climate change, health etc without those videos. Not watching them won't make me not be vegan anymore :p

[@Kitty4u]

I've had latinos tell me that I wasn't a real latino because I was vegetarian. I don't know why people think "culture" is a reason to eat meat.

[@olimunleashed6916]

gurl u just made that up

[@Kitty4u]

@@olimunleashed6916 nope I've actually been told stupider things like how I'm not latino because of the music I like.

[@TheMusicvideoVEVO]

@@olimunleashed6916 I'm another latino, I have been told the same shit lol. Its real, we didn't make that up

[@leander8840]

@MdoubleHB are u a walking meme

[@Blindfold-Me]

I believe it.

[@catmeatlover99]

I am taking the steps to go vegan and I'd like to thank yourself and cosmic skeptic for helping me. You're always so eloquent and provide well thought out arguments for things and you seem so balanced. So thank you for making such brilliant content

[@powere4r]

Omg exactly those two helped me go vegan too... Both Unnatural vegan and Cosmic Skeptic

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@LARISSA.KAY. I'd like to know the insanity behind that claim too

[@hannahmitchell87]

Good for you, that's awesome! Let us know if we can help 🖤🖤🖤

[@terseandtiny1746]

I loved Prince and never realized he was vegan.

[@heidih3048]

He was actually vegetarian-- he ate cheese on occasion, according to his former personal chef.

[@simona_ab]

He was also a Jehova' Witness 🙂

[@JuliasHairJourney]

He was vegan for a short period in the 90s, but went back to being vegetarian. He talked about making omletts.

[@JuliasHairJourney]

@@adde-j6q People who judge Prince for his drug addiction forget he injured his back jumping off stage and with dancing. I am not justifying addiction to prescription pain killers, but this is very reason they become so addictive. He might even have been suffering from sciatica and nerve damage, which can make it painful to sleep or sit down. It can mess with your mind, so there can be reasons people get hooked on pain killers.

[@JuliasHairJourney]

@@adde-j6q Sorry if it seemed that I thought you did. I just was kind of amazed at how the media blew out of proportion the overdose issue without exploring how it is pain related, and started with doctors over prescribing these meds in the past.

[@vieenrose179]

I'm definitely not a vegan or vegetarian but it's vegans like you that have encouraged me to try to make a bigger effort at at least incorporating more vegan meals in my diet

[@orsikocs]

Tbh same. UV is one of the few ppl that made me realise veganism does not equal being a fruitarian etc and that it's doable. Now there's a lot of content creators who are reasonable vegans but she was the first i started watching.

[@hoykfnvnnesnxnnensncjforkx1616]

I would like to say that in real life 99% of vegans are super chill. Hell, you probably know some that have never even said anything about it (a lot of my friends don't even notice or know) online vegans give us a bad name. Every little thing helps!

[@Galworld761]

Same. The sane people who just want to mitigate their footprint and ethics have made me more mindful. I eat about 70% plant based now and really mindful of my seafood and animal products. I have the luxury of local organic farms being accessible to me.

[@Serioslump]

I got a pair of boots secondhand from a local vintage store. They’re comfortable, waterproof, warm, and I love how they look. According to the label inside, they’re made of sealskin. Obviously I would never EVER buy fur or leather or any kind of animal made into a fashion item from an original source where the money goes back into the hands of people who catch and kill these animals. But I find it hard to say that purchasing an item like that secondhand is a huge problem.

[@andread9807]

Helps the environment and it doesn’t help the original creator of those shoes to make more if u had purchased from them. So I agree.

[@TheClairei]

I'm guessing the seal(s) were clubbed to death tho, that would bother me hugely.

[@carolsimpson4422]

I wrestle with this issue as well. I'm not contributing money to the industry by picking up something second hand- but people can't tell they're second hand. If I looked good I might accidentally influence a fashion lover to buy the same item new, and thus contribute to animal exploitation. So while I think the sourcing is ethically neutrally, the impact of my advertising animal products to others may not be.

[@april4657]

My mom was like how her mom was for a while. I decided I was going vegetarian in highschool and she would always make sure I had my separate portion. But she also went out of her way to try out the faux meats in different dishes. Eventually my parents liked the veggie grounds better than ground beef. Now they use those instead even though I don't live there.

[@heidih3048]

According to Prince's former personal chef, Prince was vegetarian, occasionally eating cheese (but eating plant- based the rest of the time). Another person who worked with him later in his life said he ate eggs regularly.

[@HelloKittysFriend418]

Re: Tahini cookies I think that's why it's so important for most baked goods to be cooled completely before eating! It can massively impact the flavour. For example, with some non-vegan cakes with eggs, if you don't let it cool completely you'll get a pretty pronounced sulfur-y taste :s

[@AimeeColeman]

With that profile pic, you'd know all about it 😅

[@disregardable]

I miss the egg taste in baked goods, also how eggs gave them a really firm bite. :

[@HelloKittysFriend418]

@@disregardable I feel you on that! We don’t have just egg yet here in Canada but when we do, I want to experiment a lot with it!

[@luciasvoboda7344]

@@disregardable try adding vital wheat gluten to baked goods for the texture (like 10% of the flour weight). I find it greatly improves the consistency of vegan baked goods

[@petasamaras2620]

I think the thing with culture is that while its not a legitimate excuse, sometimes it can be very hard to go against it when your whole family/ everyone around you practises it, and something like food can be very emotional to them. It's not a good reason to not go vegan, but it can be a challenge, especially for younger people, to challenge their culture

[@sisterursuline]

Agree with this. Especially for migrant families, food is a very strong connection to culture and family or the country they left behind and is tied up with all kinds of emotions and other aspects of life. Many things can be veganised for sure. But I think without being part of a minority culture (as Swayze isn’t, as much as I respect and appreciate her work) it can be difficult to really understand.

[@Lumalee]

Or... you could leave people alone? Just a thought

[@JennRighter]

@@Lumalee see. Knew if I searched through the comments I’d find you doing the same elsewhere. CALLED IT! Lol.

[@Lumalee]

@@JennRighter ...okay? Yeah i think vegans should leave people alone about their diet. Im not exactly sure what your point is lol

[@petasamaras2620]

@@Lumalee It’s literally a video about non vegans not leaving a vegan alone about their diets, what even is the problem here 😂

[@doomydoes]

How dare you be so focused on calories but not focused enough on calories at the same time... oh the trauma. 😂 haha 😂

[@AimeeColeman]

That double standard of demand to be ultra healthy and not at all concerned with calories feels to me like beauty standards where you have to put a lot of effort into your appearance while making it look effortless. So I guess people want you to eat 99% 'superfoods' but be like "yeah, I eat this cause I like to, so it's not difficult" whether it is or not :/

[@pidetods5880]

That’s such a good comparison! I never thought of it like that.

[@nova_supreme8390]

It would be true if one singke person was giving both type of ctiticism. However most of the time it is differemt people and naturally people have different expectations of your content and what constitutes as normal or desirable way to eat. Unless either type of criticism is substantiated with any type of explanation it is best to just let them slide as they are most likely just projecting theur own preferences on to you. Then they get butthurt you are not what they wabt you to be and leace stupid comments like that.

[@N4T93]

People do the same with what your kids eat, it's like omg she's feeding her kids candy how irresponsible, yet if you don't let them eat it, you're the weird parent who doesn't let your kids have fun. I guess you can't be everything to everyone.

[@orsikocs]

This comment just hits home. Truth.

[@metasepiapfefferi8704]

@MdoubleHB why are you posting these comments everywhere What do you expect from it

[@ellaaurora]

fun fact my friend did veganuary as an experiment and now is largely vegan

[@Hope00Love]

That's how I started too and I'm still vegan 4 years later.

[@alunalka6640]

your friend is a legend! ♥️

[@skelet0r23]

@@Hope00Love I went vegan for lent 3 years ago and have been ever since!

[@Blindfold-Me]

Aww that’s awesome

[@svd8187]

I think the only anti-second hand-leather argument is that people are maybe going to see it and think "oh, that a cool jacket" (or whatever) and want the same and buy a new one. So we are keeping the animal-skin-wearing-trend alive. But I'm not sure if that's actually true.

[@abug5004]

Leather can be important as protection for motorcyclists. If they dump the bike they really do need to not lose all their skin. Like some people do have a reason for thrifting that stuff

[@Rialagma]

The counter argument to this is that even the cheapest plastic leather looks pretty much the same way leather does. So the style doesn't really change cuz it still looks like leather.

[@abug5004]

@@Rialagma I don't think it's actually as thick or sturdy, though. The idea with leather motorcycle jackets is to prevent the pavement from ripping your skin off if you dump the bike. Thinking of all the faux leather bags & jackets I've had, they're for fashion. They're much thinner and eventually that leather looking outer layer starts to flake & peel off. It's not the same at all.

[@Rialagma]

@@abug5004 I was responding to Minna's comment about fashion

[@user-bc4es6uq8m]

i’m vegan and still buy second-hand leather 🤷‍♀️ way better for the environment (and therefore also animals) than buying faux leather that goes ugly after a few months. i can see why people would be grossed out by it, but i don’t understand the argument that using second-hand leather advertises for animal leather. doesn’t faux leather also do that, by their definition?

[@KS-uv3rh]

Cultural reasons is sometimes a valid reason in countries where the society is very traditional. I remember my friend's cousin going vegan and her grandma got offended because she didnt eat the meat grandma cooked at the house (even after telling the whole house abt her not eating meat anymore) coz in her culture it comes across as ungrateful and disrespectful and everyone got angry at her for making grandma sad, just over meat. She's the daugher of the house so she doesnt really have a voice and she has to wear what's given and eat what's served and be grateful for it, and that's culture, unfortunately. I know it sounds petty but for some culture it's better to "follow" than to "offend" and it's hard to say that they're cowards for being followers, coz rebelling could mean they would get some sort of repercusion, ranging from having your whole house mad at you (which is exhausting mentally) to being kicked out of the house with no income and no means to survive.... Even for what we think as trivial things.

[@emmanarotzky6565]

You can’t compare getting killed to getting offended. If someone wanted to eat you, would you forgive their friend for not stopping them just because they didn’t want to offend them? Perspective is important..

[@AimeeColeman]

I also used to be anaemic but haven't been since going vegan. :) But I'm definitely trying to eat better now.

[@TriggerHappy923]

What’s your main source of iron in your meals? I’m trying to up my iron as well.

[@ohno4861]

The weirdest comment I've seen against veganism, and making more plant based products, was in a Instagram comment section about trash bags made of plant matter so they're compostable. Someone said "if everything is made with plants, could the planet keep up? 😔"

[@amirabrown9761]

I went vegan, living on a cattle ranch at 14 in a food desert living with angerly unsupportive people. I understand the food desert argument, but also I lived it. And reducing animal suffering was worth the sacrifices to me. Is it easier now living in a large city? Yeah. Did I do it living 2 hours from a grocery store on a ranch with chronic animal killers and abusers? Yeah. Most people in devolved countries without a health contraindication can go vegan in 2021.

[@sandsmarc]

The thing is, maybe some of us don’t want to go vegan. We must be free to choose animals or plants for our diet. Based on our free choice.

[@amirabrown9761]

@@sandsmarc I think you didn’t understand my comment. Living in a rural area is does not prevent a person from being vegan. I wasn’t saying anything about choice, but accessibility.

[@ProcrastinatorsAnon]

I can't stand middle parts on most people because it "naturally" flat, which is so unflattering. Unless they also have bangs I guess. I used to love flares because that's all my mom bought me xD The idea of forcing myself into skinny jeans has always been a no go. So boot cut it is lol.

[@Olivetree80]

"when I set my mind to something and I wanna do something, I just do it" that's definitely me, it's either I do it or I don't.

[@unoriginal1086]

same

[@katieamarsh]

I laughed about someone saying you’re obsessed with calories. I think of you as enjoying some purple bag doritos and eating frosting when you bake.

[@Just_me_1984]

Watching those videos made me an overnight vegan. Oh, and my husband too. We donated our non vegan food to our buy nothing group. Please do not throw food away. ❤️

[@bretzel30000]

i am vegan since 2 years (unnatural vegan is not entirely blameless in this ;) ) and what i really don't understand is the mentality of some vegan influencers like for example earthling ed to get rid of all the existing leather objects one has and replacing them immediately with vegan versions. I keep my stuff from "the time before" because i don't understand why that is a bad thing. my wallet is made of leather and has served me well for over 15 years now, and i am confident it will serve me another 10 or even 15 years more. So what is the vegan Argument to replace that wallet immediately?

[@alexcanning5383]

As a vegan, I agree. I would never buy new leather vegan products but I have bought second hand leather products like doc martins for 10$ before I went vegan and I am not going to throw them out

[@debbietampasheher3682]

I think it's personal. Some People decide they don't want the animal products at all

[@tabeadouchi7368]

Acutally Earthling Ed reccommend several things for leather products in one recent video, i think it was about things Vegans don't like about Veganism, including wearing them out

[@mirensummers7633]

I agree, I feel the least you can do if you have a leather product is use it until it is unusable coz at least the animal didn't die for nothing. There's also something to be said for the fact that vegan leather is made from plastic which is makde from crude oil, throwing out your non vegan leather and buying vegan leather is doubly bad.

[@lillambilamb3345]

I think its about setting exampme to others by not wearing leather so that you dont bormalize it. Same with fur. The problem is even wearing fake leather and fake fur can normalize it especially if people cant tell the fake and real apart. Now i personally use my secoundhand leather and the leather producta that i had before i went vegan, and i personally think it¹s okay, but in a way i get it (since we humans are social animals and all) but im not fully convinced by the argument.

[@beigeimpersonator682]

I've been a vegan for almost a year now, and I can guarantee you that I was 100% a crazy vegan at first, I got completely offended when I saw meat, but now I pretty much have the same view as most vegans.

[@Lumalee]

As long as your not a crazy vegan, then i have no problem with you

[@Lumalee]

GreenxMango see that’s actually really nice to read. I wish there were more like you

[@shantimarty4901]

Someone living alone, me. Have fish and prawns in freezer then watched “seaspiracy”. I’m just going to eat what’s there and be more mindful when I going shopping next.

[@ashleighshannon5235]

I know I’ve been vegan for a significant period of time when these videos feel so common sense to me. I know I used to be confused, used to have these questions, now it’s nothing.

[@marcya4428]

I think so many people have a perception of vegans as only influencers on the internet. There are so many vegans who aren't active on social media, who aren't as strict about little things, who are more 'chill'. People see what they want to see, and that's militant vegans.

[@rachel-zs2oc]

Or just the nutritionally deficient vegans too. They want to blame all of veganism for the stupid fruitarians, or people who don't take supplements.

[@ThePfannkuchen]

Was curious what you would say about her video, because I've watched it before and also agree with her viewpoint. She's definitely good for veganism, even though she doesn't really make videos about it. She still mentions her being vegan quite often and represents it in a chill way. I think this might helps 'normalizing' veganism even more

[@jamesleung0]

It's easy to dismiss the power of culture and food living in a Western society where individuality is prized over collectivism or community. In tight knit cultures, food plays a huge role in forming bonds and connection to family and relationships in a community. For instance, a family recipe handed down from generation to generation. Cultural or religious holidays that are identified with certain dishes. Identity and culture are real and positive factors especially for immigrants who need human connection to their people, their culture. It's probably the reason immigrants in America open restaurants catering to their own taste and anchor themselves in certain neighborhoods. I'm not saying an individual can't divorce themselves from their culture and their food, but it can very difficult especially if you're an immigrant from a tight knit culture with no support network outside of their ethnic enclave.

[@grouchypete1]

Exactly. The original video is vague about what she means by culture, which leaves the door open to presumptions. Which I feel is a true blind spot with most vegans in my circle. They are White Americans who have access to a variety of food choices and whose activism makes them blind to both their privilege and their inability to understand cultures or religions they aren't immediately familiar with.

[@ladygrace7585]

Ikr like a lot of Mexican gatherings are carne asadas or bbqs and to not be able to be included in that makes me hesitate from being vegan. Like yes I care about the environment and animals but...... I also want to be an active member of my community and to be able to pass that part of my culture on. There's just some things that white americans with no connection to a defined ethnic culture can understand

[@alexlex14x]

I got so excited when I saw the title, I love both of your channels and just knew you're going to like her

[@thatwasweird954]

I'm one of those people whose anemia completely went away too. I was vegetarian for years and ate a good deal of dairy. I went vegan and after awhile realized -- wait, I'm not tired 24/7 anymore. And I don't have pica anymore (i.e. obsessively eating ice). And I don't have major dark circles anymore...Nice to hear this girl's experience, because I've never heard anyone else say it.

[@WendingWind]

I'm not vegan as I use honey and beeswax for skincare (only thing that seems to work for me), but I only recently realised my toothpaste wasn't vegan, so I bought some vegan toothpaste, but I'm still using the old stuff. Toothpaste? Who'd even have thought about toothpaste?

[@WendingWind]

​@iluv batzmaru It definitely isn't vegan, but it can be high welfare. It can be mutually beneficial, just the industrial beekeeping is not very good for bees. In many cases, they are just left to starve to death or gassed in winter because it's more profitable than heating/feeding or reducing the harvest. Community or home bee keeping is probably the only way we'll ever have humane bee farming under capitalism. I think it has the potential to be acceptable. In some cases necessary. Honey and especially (medical grade) manuka honey make excellent topical treatments and can even kill MRSA, something which common anti-biotics can't do. They don't contribute to anti-biotic resistance. As for the beeswax, well I have recently been using petroleum jelly after hearing about "slugging" on tiktok. I was averse to it because it is a petrochemical, but it seems to be non comedogenic and actually works well. I think beeswax has some additional anti-bacterial properties and it seems to slightly beat out vaseline, but it is more expensive and can be contaminated.

[@Blindfold-Me]

I’ve never looked good in a middle part so... call me untrendy 😂

[@Char10tt3_]

I got given some doc martens years ago, they’re still in great condition now so I don’t see the point in getting rid of them to buy vegan ones, that’s so much worse for the environment (and therefore animals), and my wallet lol

[@berniv7375]

Well. I had leather Doc Martens boots when I was a vegetarian. When I turned vegan I bought canvas Doc Martens but the glue that holds the upper and lower together possibly has animal products in it so I used my savings to buy a pair of vegan Doc Martens. Now I buy any type of shoe as long as it is vegan. I cut up my leather shoes and disposed of them. I do not think it is respectful to be a vegan and wear leather. Vegan products will improve if the demand is out there. Thank you.

[@thatsalt1560]

I have solid Dr Martens I bought 25 years ago, and should I need a new pair of winter shoes, I don't think vegan versions are available where I live.

[@ameliorated]

@@berniv7375 good for you. But demand for those shoes was already met when you brought them. You cutting them up only affected you, not demand.

[@thatsalt1560]

@@ameliorated I think he simply feels bad about wearing animal products. He said it feels disrespectful.

[@Ghost-fe1vp]

My problem with people: They say vegans when they mean some vegans aka, not vegans.

[@miekekuppen9275]

Overstating things in a video title gets more clicks.

[@ameliorated]

You say people and mean some people

[@mja5543]

Kind hypocritical or ironic huh

[@cat6792]

My parents are vegan 6 days out of the week. It’s mostly for health reasons not necessarily moral reasons. Even though they are not 100% it still makes a difference!

[@wa6184]

How awesome would it be if everyone would be vegan 6 days a week!! The world would be a better place 👍

[@josieml308]

I personally like leather and do find it to be more durable in most, but not all cases, so I love finding thrifted second hand leather products and see nothing wrong with it!

[@kiarimarie]

I think the conclusion I've come to is "culture" needs to be switched to "cultural pressures", since when people say they can't go vegan because of their "culture" (in a sincere way) they mean that it would create ostracization within their family or community that is persistent and affects their day to day. So they are stuck doing their best. I get both points and I just think two different conversations are happening. She even acknowledged one of her commenters is from Latin America and due to her "culture" (I guess?) she is punished for veganism or something like that.

[@Liurika]

I used to be rejected for donating blood too because my pressure was sooo low they were worried about me. After going vegan my blood pressure is powerful. Now, going for blood tests is so quick 😂😂

[@vixenvavalicious2464]

About the cultural aspect, I think althought culture alone is not a reason to not be vegan, it may still contribute quite significantly. E.g. if one lives in very religious and/or patriarchal culture where they got no right to choose what they cook/eat 😕

[@purpleperil7485]

About the part, I have a natural center part and wanted a far side part as a teen and the only way I could get it was months of pinning it where I wanted and heavy product. I could train it to semi comply. I eventually gave up and now live with my stubborn center part. I think some peoples natural part is just super stubborn.

[@SerendipityRoad]

About parting your hair in the middle. It looks like you have a hair whirl in the front on the side, like I do. I can't part my hair in the middle because of this hair whirl. The hair would always stand up more on the side with the whirl. Most people have one hair whirl at the back of the head, that way it's much easier to part hair in the front. But you have one in the front or even multiple whirls like an abbyssian guinea pig.. That makes a lot of hair styles very difficult. ^^

[@chickpeapasta]

I can’t tell how it’s different, but your hair looks really nice like this!

[@skullfullofbooks7398]

My eyes are noticeably different and a middle part cuts your face in half. Unless your face is symmetrical, middle parts will showcase those differences. My part has always been off-center. I love skinny jeans, I may be a loser millennial but I'll wear those to my grave. 😂

[@cashcropquilts]

the crossover I did not expect but definitely needed!

[@ariz8538]

Hey Unnatural Vegan, Ive been a subscriber for maybe 4-5 years now? love your videos. I have a request: could you look at some of the arguments people are making for an anti plant based diet, where red meat is put onto a pedestal? there's a whole thing about antinutrients and how all of our dietary needs can be met with just eating steaks, salmon and liver

[@ElisabettaVS]

To the argument regarding wearing hand-me-down leather or second hand leather - we would also have to consider, that wearing leather (no matter the way of aquisation) would inspire others to wear the same style as well - thus prompting them to buy new leather. i.e. leather jackets. hand-me-down whatsoever. Someone will think it looks cool and get themselves their own one. Buy it new, of course. That way we would be indirectly supporting the animal farming industry.

[@summersunsets13]

i think culture is actually a very valid reason. as an immigrant, food is a big way to connect with my home culture. i’m not saying it should stop someone from being vegan, but it takes a lot of work to try to replicate traditional foods.

[@justeliza1431]

Ok but I'm on r/vegancirclejrker and haven't seen anyone ever yell at people for buying non vegan mascara on accident I swear they make these "vegan problems" up

[@shoobamocha]

True, like really no one cares if you make a mistake. If you're scared that people will judge you then don't publicize your mistake, there's no vegan police in your life that will come and beat your ass for not reading every ingredient ever. I don't get why people are so sensitive about online comments in the first place when it's so easy to avoid it and I'm sick of apologist vegans and others saying "boohoo vegans are too militant for holding people accountable and having differing opinions on how to live the lifestyle"

[@justeliza1431]

@@shoobamocha yeah exactly sorry for defending the animals lmao the most I've seen is people saying "hey btw that's not vegan/cruelty free etc so maybe try this one next time" but people get butthurt over everything for some reason. I'm 90% sure vegans have bad rep because nobody understands what veganism is,we don't care about people's diets we care about animal rights but the smallest thing happens and even plant based ppl for the environment go "OH HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE VEGAN"

[@ivettgabriella]

My mom does the thing. She cooks a separate batch of food for me. She is awesome

[@Hip.Username]

Wow that really is so lucky, what a great mom 💖 Make sure to tell her a stranger on the internet said she's a great mom lol

[@emmanarotzky6565]

Why not make a big batch of the vegan version though? Like when I cook for a group where one person has an allergy, I usually just leave the allergen out of everything. It’s way easier than making 2 batches.

[@beata_maruda]

Re "Veganuary" etc.: Similar doubts are in the addiction recovery communities: Some people think that ONLY PERFECT abstinency is the way, (i.e. no methadone treatment for heroin addicts), while other belive in reducing harm. I have to say that form me the latter is way EASIER and more accessible for a lot more people and also CAN BE a great first step. Expecting perfection usually leads to disappointment and SOME GOOD is better then none. Yes, I understand that it can lead to laziness and sense of complacancy, but I still belive the outcome is positive.

[@katm82]

The grace you give people is truly life saving

[@NEO-jb7bb]

I've seen (very rarely) vegans that attack indiginous people for hunting for food. While I don't agree with hunting in general, I don't think it is productive to 'harass' these people, especially when the the majority of animal harm comes from factory production. Attacking some cultural groups then seems more like virtue signaling than real activism. I also don't hold it against people that are mainly vegan but at certain cultural celebrations consume animal products, it is not ideal but they still produce less harm on average.

[@Orangelionfur]

I get attacked for using seal fur in my work. My ancestors hunted seals for food! Absolutely disgusted by people hating on my culture and way of life. Seal fur is very important for me, any fur is. I can’t eat the traditional foods my ancestors ate because I now live in a country where there’s no seal or reindeer available, but at least we have the fur. I would rather die than get rid of my culture.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

What about the wine in the comunion? Cheap wine can contain animal products in It... To be vegan the person has to leave their church? What about traditional clothes or acessories made of animal products made specificly to be worn by each individual during cultural festivities/events?

[@danchy7_]

great points 🖐 and side note, I love your lil chitchat rambles at the end of your videos 💫

[@reginalemoine5809]

I just noticed that you have over a quarter of a million followers. Congratulations! I think when I started watching you you had under 20K. That number may be off, but I know it was after your raw phase. You were living in Memphis with a couple of cats and I remember a video where you were trying to get them to use their litterboxes more consistently, maybe? Anyway, that wasn’t the first video I watched, but it was around that time. Edit: I went back and looked. Apparently, I’ve been watching you since 2015.

[@lilyeichelis8346]

I don’t support any industrial farming companies i buy vegan butter and milk. But I still haven’t made the jump I’m going slow and transitioning into vegetarianism/ veganism

[@kimieatsu]

I have been in the midst of going vegan for a while now and because of my ibs, I haven’t been able to fully give up meat as a source of protein. I have not needed to watch videos of animals being treated horribly. It would be terrible for my mental. The description and the philosophy behind it is enough for me. Plus cows are cute

[@KP-jt9py]

Totally agree re: second hand leather. The pleather things I bought trying to be a responsible vegan just disintegrated-lit literally crumbled. I’ve had one suede jacket for 25 years. I don’t need to buy new things. What am I going to do with it??? This is why I don’t post on KZbin about veganism because I know someone will come after me because they saw me out wearing it. Furthermore, when people get all jacked up about me knitting with wool from indie dyers who have sheep they shear themselves -better than me wearing nylon (plastic) on my skin. Agree that this thing about being “the perfect vegan” really is problematic.

[@anna-katehowell9852]

We actually figured out I had an iron deficiency (which I was likely born with) BECAUSE I went vegetarian-- that made it possible to diagnose. I just thought I had really bad mental health problems and was super depressed and couldn't get out of bed, but I was actually super anemic, and when I went vegetarian my doc was like "okay iron pill time" and lo and behold, I felt better within a week (especially around my period, which was my worst time-- we thought it was a hormone imbalance, but nope, iron.) I'm still not quite a vegan (someday!) but yeah going vegetarian actually cured my anemia because supplementing the way a vegetarian should treated my hereditary iron issues.

[@yasmingracea5524]

Culture is definitely not a reason to not be vegan! I'm Arab.. lived in the Middle East and grew up eating all sorts of animal products like goats milk, lamb, yogurts, even things like lung and liver etc. Now, it's fun and healthier to make vegan versions of traditional foods.

[@secretlypigeons9864]

While culture isn't necessarily an excuse it... kind of can be in some cases? Someone might live in an area where because of the culture, or climate, they only have access to certain foods. Also I do think its culturally insensitive/borderline racist to attack people of certain cultures for not being vegan when they might have other genuine issues OTHER than just culture to be eating the foods they're eating.

[@therabbithat]

an example might be in some cultures it's extremely rude to refuse food so if you eat with your family and you don't eat what they cook for you you might as well just poop on the table some Christians believe that the communion wafer is literally the flesh of Christ, and not a metaphor or a symbol. Therefore it's obviously not vegan to them

[@yasmingracea5524]

@@secretlypigeons9864 I am strictly talking about culture. Culture is not the same thing as accessibility. If someone is not physically able to be vegan (location, health, etc) then I don’t see a problem with them eating animal products. :)

[@yasmingracea5524]

@@therabbithat I understand that. The same is true in my culture (Saudi Arabia). Can definitely be a barrier for some people, but many can speak with their families and have it not be an issue :)

[@lo5983]

thank you for excusing me always watching you on 1.25x speed :'D ngl sometimes 1.5x

[@lemon7107]

Same 😭😭😅😅

[@myneoangel4299]

Saaaaame

[@beatrizlorcar]

I haven't seen it yet but I just wanna say you look amazing

[@NovemberRainLove]

Ah yes, years later we still talk about how Fully Raw Krystina wore leather shoes. Truly a scandal of our times.

[@knownothingish]

Do you ever talk to your viewers on Zoom? I would love to hear your nutrition advice. I'm currently an omnivore but thinking of changing my diet.

[@Seraphin.a]

As a child we always had meatless Friday, my whole childhood. As a Christian tradition. Never really understood that as we always had fish on Friday. It was Not considered a meat. 😳

[@Maryaminx]

It's from an old classification of animal flesh. Fish didn't fall under that category.

[@orsikocs]

This cracked me up haha

[@leander8840]

Yeah when I was vegetarian people constantly asked me if I eat fish. i live in a christian enviroment.

[@karlamarx5954]

she forgot "Candace the edgy veg." "cheap lazy vegan" (forget her name) "doesn't take like chicken" (forget her name too sorry) and "monson made this aka sauce stache"

[@JennRighter]

Andrew Lowe is great, I love him SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much.

[@lissaw4]

I love him too. Then again, you and I have already established (on an entirely different channel) that we watch many of the same channels - even when they don't seem to match/fit in with the content of of all those different channels 😂

[@ilessthan3cats]

Immediately subbing to her based on the Voidz shirt and Strokes poster. 😍

[@michaelenns8872]

It makes sense to throw away the leather jacket even if they are second hand. She may be cool with that but others wouldn't want to wear the skin of an slaughtered animal. It's the same with the consumption of flesh.

[@Jordan-db2og]

I've been watching your channel for quite a long time and I've finally gone vegan, I'm loving it 🥰

[@valid_sound_and_furious961]

Another way to read her comment about "cultural reasons" might be that some cultures haven't adopted vegan products the way we have in many places in the US. It's much harder to find Gardein and oat milk in Colombia than in the US.

[@Skiskiski]

I think that the solution is in meats grown in labs, factories. Animals are not always nice. Cows are known to eat rats and birds. It seems that majority of mammals, if not all, do want to eat meat. We can thrive on vegan diet, however. I am not vegan, but I try to eat vegan twice a week.

[@Corboy6]

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make with "animals are not always nice" I don't think it's normal to set our moral yardstick by what other animals do, because there are a lot of behaviours in the animal kingdom that would be abhorrent in human society

[@Chlunkon]

Animals might eat other animals but they don’t have abattoirs set up

[@lekiscool]

I try to be a conscious omnivore. I have very few “safe foods” so cutting out food groups works be bad. I feel like the culture argument comes down to what you said about women not having rights. The idea where there is a way your family is and if you aren’t eating this meal that has fish you are disrespecting the head of the family. Etc. A lot of countries shun people for less.

[@angeliquekieser9467]

In close knit communities it can be very hard to be vegan, some cultures and people are very intolerant of anything that is different to what they consider normal. If you refuse to eat any non vegan foods offered to you at gatherings, you can seriously offend the people around you, making everyday life very hard. You also cannot just stop attending social/ family gatherings to avoid having to not eat people's food, as that can in itself offend. Add to that the "crazy vegan" stereotype that many think of when you say vegan and you are setting yourself up for a really hard time, especially if you have no way of getting out of that community. Think about trying to find a job in a small town or community where you are the "crazy offensive" person. Also, just leaving that community may not be an option for everyone, as you would probably be leaving behind most of you family and friends. I don't think culture is a defence against going vegan, but for some it can be a serious barrier. Cultures will change in time, as they do, but getting to the point where veganism is normal and easy is going to take some time.

[@nataliaa.1094]

Searching for leatherfree Doc Martens (as a vegetarian) made me go vegan 15 years ago. There wasn't much Information out there at the time or many food options. I feel like it's a lot easier today.

[@Slastukin67]

I love how sensible you are. I've only been vegan for two years, and I still wear my leather boots. It kind of bothers me that people might see them and want to purchase them for themselves, or see them and assume I am ok with consuming animal products. I have a question, though: Are there cattle raised specifically with leather as the main commodity, or is it merely a byproduct of slaughter? Are there animals that are raised for their hides, as other animals are for their fur?

[@rennyrozzel2053]

If you’re going vegan and you don’t want to eat some of the products in your pantry anymore. You can always donate the products that aren’t opened to a local food bank etc.

[@susannathevenet7719]

I totally randomly remember that, when I was I high school, an activist group came to show us a video montage of all the animals used for testing beauty products. I remember in particular this rats use for an anti-aging cream... was terrible to watch, unnecessary and I still can believe the school give them the assembly room an one hrs out of the normal program to show it to all the students. I was already vegetarian at that time... but I remember that yes sparked controversy and discussion but no one stop using their favourite mascara or lipstick.

[@analenemccullough1032]

On the topic of makeup, I work at a major makeup retailer (that I won’t name bc liability) but we recently introduced a “clean” beauty thing, which is kinda fake, but it means our website does now have a vegan and cruelty free section. I’m not a vegan, but I’m working towards lessening my meat consumption (I’m from the Deep South and damn was I raised to love meat) But, something I’ve noticed in the beauty industry is that vegan makeup is tbh hella boring. So many vegan brands only make minimalistic makeup or just skincare And although a lot of vegans seem to like that, so many people want pretty colors and shade ranges and so many mainstream vegan brands just don’t do that. Like KVD and ELF have some pretty stuff but it’s so hard to show vegans anything fun. Smaller indie brands have that but in a more big box style makeup setting, it’s such a problem

[@KT-pm8yc]

I like the middle part. Also, bought Brave Robot today on the east coast! So exciting to see it in stores!

[@Corboy6]

I actually have known someone that staunchly declared themself to be a feminist then go on to defend descrimatory cultural rules for their own culture. Cultures are collections of beliefs and behaviours, and beliefs and behaviours can be negative, so it isn't a good defense

[@Radjehuty]

I think the argument for culture would be more less conscious personal choices. Like culture dictating the demand. Ultimately stores are going to offer what most likely will sell and that really does come down to culture. I imagine some areas of the world this could mean really limited options to create truly balanced vegan dieting. That's probably the only case I can think of where culture would be an argument

[@tomchan0]

I run a very small vegan page on FB and one of the rules is nothing graphic. I just can't. I don't need any "brush-ups". What I already saw is forever imprinted on my soul.

[@SmokenHash]

I appreciate that she's a Julian Casablancas fan.

[@notmyname327]

The part of the video where you talked about sometime in the future we may see Meatless Mondays as Murder-free days reminded me of Carnage, a British mockumentary that aired on the BBC some time ago. It's really funny! If you haven't watched it you should check it out and maybe react to it?

[@tabeadouchi7368]

I wrote this as an awnser to someone else's comment, but I think it fits very well in general for the cultural argument: "This is deffinitely a very difficult topic. The thing is that culture should never be righteous. Otherwise I as a twenty year old woman probably wouldn't be able to write this comment, I'd rather stay in the kitchen and would cook for my working husband and my two children. This was also a part oft many cultures once. I know this topic is absolutely sensitive because as you said, culture defines people and groups. But while culture is most likely seen as something that stands still or moves just slowly it actually changes fast. Equality of men and women is a pretty good example. Globalization has a big impact on all cultures, allthough Western Culture really takes the lead which is critical like you metioned. But I think we need to separate into two different discussions here: One that is about Culture as a construct oft creating identity and that critiques the massive influence of the West in terms of contributing to reducing cultural diversity and another one that discusses the borders between Culture and Right. I know that they are not allways easy to seperate because the transitions of these two often run into one another. The talk about that is still important, especially in a world of Globalization. Culture and cultural diversity is important and precious, but it should never equal Right."

[@SlugcatEmporium]

Oh, the middle part was super cute on you. :D

[@simontgamer]

This was such a good video! I love how you responded to the cultural aspect of things

[@sarahfara1539]

Haha, funny that you would bring up the slow talking, I actually do watch your videos at at least 1,5x speed :D

[@Mojichan13]

Tip for the middle part: Do it while your hair is very wet and let it dry in a middle part.

[@JennRighter]

I absolutely agree with you regarding animal abuse or agricultural norm videos. I WILL not watch them and have not since the early days of going vegan, over a decade ago. What I saw then HAUNTS me to this day. I will still just have something that I saw back then pop into my mind and it's horrible. I absolutely credit seeing those videos with my decision to go vegan, but it is absolutely unnecessary for me to continue to watch them, I just cannot and will not. TO THIS DAY I will occasionally still have nightmares about slaughterhouses. My spirit just can't shake the things I saw.

[@Lumalee]

Ive seen the video, shame it has to be done that way but oh well. Meat good

[@JennRighter]

@@Lumalee if you’re gonna troll, you should at least be funny and make sense. 0 out of 10 troll. Better luck next time.

[@JennRighter]

Also, anyone reading this DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL, it will only encourage their behavior.

[@Lumalee]

@@JennRighter wow harsh words. Deeply offended. Definitely. How exactly am i trolling? I said its terrible what they do to the animals and i wish it was done better. Which is true.

[@JennRighter]

@@Lumalee not taking the bait, my dude.

[@connie_d]

Did she go JW cos of Prince too? Thanks for still making vids UV, keep being you :D

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

The issue I have with protein powders is what message does that send to people whom we would like to see go vegan/plant based, about how one can get ALL the nutrients one needs sans protein powders? Volunteering at a food bank which has become 90% whole foods plant based. I am concerned how few if ANY KZbin vegans ever address food deserts, social justice issues, homelessness etc. If one is limited income, hungry or homeless the flippant statement that any one can be vegan can come off as insensitive and ignorant and give the impression that all vegans are privileged and uncaring.

[@shoobamocha]

If people want to victimize themselves they're free to do so, no one can judge you if you don't present excuses for yourself. If you really can't then don't but most people use those as excuses to not even try or just refuse to change. I was homeless for a few years and it was hard but I stayed vegan that time. If I couldn't then that's fine but I'm not going to blame other people's activism for making me feel guilty. Bottom line: going vegan is the best thing you can do in your general lifestyle to help the animals and the environment. It might be hard for some and impossible for .01% of people but I'm not going to take effort being an apologist for people who go against my morals.

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

@@shoobamocha You obviously missed what I was saying!! A) I noted that I volunteer at a food bank that is 90% whole foods plant based B) I noted a concern I have with KZbin vegans who can come off as one dimensional with no concern about social justice issues. c) you don't note your age, type of area you live in or how you managed to survive as a vegan. I attended a boarding school that was planted based back in the 60's so have been plant based a long time. Was also blessed to have parents who taught me empathy and that positive change requires one to be observant and see how one can help.

[@rachel-zs2oc]

There are vegans on food stamps. Edit: I do recognize that some people, especially those without grocery stores that have plant foods wouldn't be able to receive proper nutrition on a vegan diet but, people can always try to cut back on the amount of animal foods.

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

​@@rachel-zs2oc you are 100% correct. I believe most Americans who consume animal products can and SHOULD cut back BIG time, and most (yes most) could well be vegan. They just need to try,

[@erinaa9486]

I actually volunteered at a food bank that wasn't plant-based and there was at least one homeless/very poor guy who was either vegetarian or vegan.

[@dysprosium162]

We are human, we will never be perfect. We need to encourage people, not crucify them, and celebrate that we're there imperfectly doing our best. The amount of preachy negativity in the community hurts my heart. Need more people encouraging and supporting.

[@NovemberRainLove]

Speaking of tiktok, I saw this video the other day where this person was talking about how it’s not healthy to take prenatal vitamins all the time when you’re not TCC/pregnant because it’s hard on your kidneys and liver when you’re taking them long term.

[@nova_supreme8390]

The cultural argument was probably meant to only include ethnic cultures specifically and keep white western culture on higher standard due to historic oppression of these ethnic cultures. In this framework trying to impose moral framework of veganism on these ethnic cultures is just an extension of colonialism and thus inherently immoral. This argument however is extremely vapid as it puts cultural sensibilities of certain groups above the physical abuse these animals suffer from. The animal does not care about the cultural or ethnic background of the person harming it. Suffering is suffering no matter who inflicts it.

[@amandawelch549]

Refined (vs unrefined) coconut oil should stay solid at room temp.

[@rainbowflower8388]

I usually eat vegetarian meals when I'm by myself but my biggest problem is people discredit medical problems. Some people have feeding tubes, some people have allergies, or food phobias, or IBS or many others that I can't think of.