Reaching BUSSIN With Steve... The Hardest Character To Rank Up

[@benk6192]

0:03 BlackHeart59 the dude that got to GoD with every character said that Devil Jin and Steve were the hardest character to reach GoD. I think the reason MainManSwe considers Steve harder than Devil Jin is probably because he is a long time Mishima player.

[@kristianbojinov6715]

Harder to reach GoD with doesn't equate to harder. Character might be super hard but be full of gimmicks making them an easy rank up. A character could also be easy but super weak making them harder to climb with

[@sirmiba]

I'd argue DJ still has more "rank friendly" neutral tools, even if he's a weaker character.

[@blackheart59_]

they're both super hard!

[@bonfist7277]

​@@kristianbojinov6715 You are speaking in general terms. WHO is the "super hard but full of gimmicks" character you are referring to? WHO is the "easy but super weak" character you are referring to? I assure you Steve doesn't really have gimmicks and he is also super hard. Therefore, he's harder to reach the top rank, even if you are a very good player. In this example, its a player who has managed to reach the highest rank with every character. I think he has credibility, not sure about your opinion on it considering you went straight for semantics that has not been directly applied to the characters being discussed.

[@kristianbojinov6715]

@@bonfist7277 Yoshi is an example of a really hard character who is also full of gimmicks. Do you really need an example of an easy weak character in fighting games? My comment is directed at the OP not at the person who resched GoD. I'm also clearing up his statement. He's not saying Steve is the hardest character in the game, but the hardest to get GoD with. Sure Steve might as well be the hardest, but that's a different topic.

[@Plumbumismyname]

I love how bryan has more counterhit tools than the counter hit character

[@synwei13]

But Bryan is the counter hit character tho, is he not? Lol

[@Coollegalass]

😂😂😂😂

[@Bajancheese90]

Bryan is a CH counter too … bruh Who’s Mans is diss 🤣🤣

[@tristanherb49]

but steve is supposed to be the " counterhit paragon"​@@synwei13

[@Lay_rue442]

Forget Bryan, even Lee has better CH and keepout than Steve

[@AndreiGonzalesDesign]

Steve's game design feels unfinished. Namco want him to rely on counters (like Bryan), but gave him only one true option (b+1) - if they made df2, db2, and ALB2 crumple or launch on ch, then he would have a way to enter the neutral/reverse the pressure like Kaz and Bryan.

[@tristanherb49]

they didnt need to nerf steve that much coming from tekken 7

[@VermilionGates]

They also made B1 launchable on whiff, while it's supposed to be -1 even according to frame data when transitioned into flk. With the time it takes to go into FLK and duck cancel, I've still been launched which is a first for Steve in any Tekken. It's more of a hard read tool now and not as good at keepout, which sucks because ws2, df2 and b2 not launching anymore means Steve has way less keepout tools. Only one that launches really is fc df2 as a punish for high strings, but any characters who have strings that mix lows and mids and aren't like -14 are super spammable against Steve.

[@Lay_rue442]

Alb2 should be a powercrush imo, I don’t mind if they took away its function as a heat engager tho

[@AndreiGonzalesDesign]

@@Lay_rue442 i support your idea

[@tigerdesmith]

My biggest issue with Steve in 8 is Bamco's decision to strip a lot of his tool to force players into using his LH stance (which they retracted somewhat now that you can cancel it, before you couldn't and it was just a horrible 50/50 AGAINST you) and practically every other character in the game having better tools than him all around. It's like a boxer known for his punches getting out punched by a someone random.

[@zato-1766]

Yea idk how they built him around LH essentially and didn't notice that the risk reward of the stance was stacked against him. Even outside of the all options lose to power crush originally it was: safe but -9 mid that does like 20 damage outside of a heat engage but it loses to any punch parry, mixup GC that does 19 damage max and leaves you plus 6 but is launch punishable if your opponent does anything but stand block or rockets the oppoent away to neutral for like 20 dmg on hit, and an unsafe launching mid. The options were awful for how unsafe LH was. Bad mixup stances work for steve because he can cancel out of all of them for fake pressure and fish for counter hits, hut LH is commital. First stance that Steve can't safely cancel out of or block in and the mixup is so weak that their means of balancing it was allowing you to prevent yourself from entering it.

[@Im0nJupiter]

I really wish we had the df2 ch launch. The mix of CH options between b1 and df2 was so strong

[@JohnGlow2]

Its weird because, with how Steve’s tools work, you would think that he’d be a perfect counter character because of how aggressive the gameplay is, but in actuality, its hard to get people to respect your tools and gameplan when they can force their way through your defenses. Most of your counterhit tools have been heavily nerfed, you lost your launchers, several damage nerfs, in a game where powercrushes are way more prominent, Stun Gun’s year long start up is only useful when someone commits to a move with a ton of startup or a super lengthy string. You just have to straight up constantly outplay your opponent. He’s heavily momentum based, neutral dominant and very safe, but he does okay ish damage and his big punishes are net losses considering how you want to play him. He’s a balanced character, in a game where others can do what he does but better for way more reward. I honestly think Yoshi plays more like Steve than Steve does in 8.

[@zenymolly]

bro, the way i see it - every character who doesnt have safe df2 launcher and hopkick just cant play tekken8. steve has none

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

Lee also plays CH better than steve imo. I mean hes the only character with a true magic 4

[@JohnGlow2]

@@IWantToStayAtYourHouseI play both, and I would agree though Lee has his own issues. I think that Steve handles having momentum and comeback potential way better than Lee does, but Lee’s CHs are just wonderful. Low committal B4, CH D3, 1+2 CH, WS2, and CH 4/ D4444 are great its just that if the opponent gets a life lead you’re fighting for your life.

[@kachucho872]

What tools? Basically no good mids in neutral and your only good ch tool is a high. Df2 should CH launch again, and b2 should also launch.

[@JohnGlow2]

⁠@@kachucho872I have mixed feelings about b2 honestly. I agree with you about DF2 cause honestly its kinda cheeks, but I actually really like how B2 works in conjunction with heat since they’re pushing it. Gives a guaranteed engager, its plus enough that you get a few mind games too, keeps them close to you. I see what they were going for with it anyway. I don’t see that changing anytime soon, but I think if they make sonic fang wallsplat or stick more consistently, you’ll get an overall net positive damage wise from b2> Sonic fang> some kind of tornado at the wall> gatling

[@PIayboy]

That Nina being bushin hurts my brain

[@allaccordingtokeikaku1353]

The character is overpowered

[@mr.gamingz]

@@allaccordingtokeikaku1353and still most players cant play her well including guys like you

[@allaccordingtokeikaku1353]

@@mr.gamingz 💀

[@PIayboy]

@@mr.gamingz she is hard to play optimally but this guy shows how easy u can win with her lmao

[@bonfist7277]

@@mr.gamingz would you say that guy played well?

[@coldsixthousand1]

Peak Nina gameplay in that set

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

idk if we were watching the same nina😂 am i missing something?

[@IlyasNashid]

@@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari It was sarcasm dude

[@Zachebi]

Apparently i need to dumb my gameplay down to get out of garyu with her, i just get mashed to death by gold/red ranks but can comfortably compete with my blue/purple friends

[@TungstenViper]

The main issue with Steve is that he NEEDS the opponent to fuck up to counter oki and pressure. If you fight against a no brain flowcharter playing a top tier you will lose 8/10 times just because of how this game works. So many character have better tools and strings. Also idk why Namco felt Steve needed to lose so many staggering moves and plus frames, when the whole cast can launch and pressure you to hell whenever they want. It feels like your playing a totally different game

[@cursedcrow1033]

And dont forget Steve Heat . You only have a slow ass Clinch , meanwhile everyone else transform into god Mode

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

@@cursedcrow1033 Not lee lol. We only get a shitty snake edge that does less damage (334), ff3 heat launcher and a shitty low heat smash (which is launch punishable on block btw)

[@zato-1766]

Considering everyone was buffed from T7 to T8 it's so weird because Steve is the only one that feels nerfed divorced of the new heat stuff. I suppose it's because they thought he might benefit too greatly from the new system mechanics but holy shit LH was nothing but a sandbag at launch and he gets bad damage for what is supposed to be the counter hitting character. You're not really breaching 80 dmg with B1, which is supposed to be the best CH launcher in the game.

[@icemikefrost]

@@cursedcrow1033yessss😂😂 kazuya can just blow his body up, feng has a leaf whirlwind I’m hard stuck raijin

[@nensho._]

its hard to rank steve because he has lesser answer in almost all options, you rely in people messing up and punishing that optimally with steve which is very hard considering he even needs execution. you barely got mixups and some (if not most) of his heat dashes on hit only gives guaranteed hits and not combos unlike most of the roster like Jin's ff2 on hit. he is somehow pretty safe and if you have no knowledge of steve youd have a hard time knowing if its the end of his turn or not. so overall id say he is the hardest to rank up despite the other rosters even with their nerfs

[@ranges787]

steve relies on character knowledge. you need info on nearly every single character. for example if opponents character has a 12/13f MID punish ALL his back sway setups fall apart. same with his side sways if opponent has good tracking stuff you just can’t use them haha. and on top of everything his inputs are imo the hardest in the game. df2 ws22 all his wall splat throws pab f1+2 etc everything super good with him is locked behind a 1/2 f window and thats ridiculous in a ungabunga tekken edit: oh and you basically play without lows haha

[@dronnovik95]

Every characters has their weak point that takes skill to overcome. Steve streangth and weaknesses just happen to be most uncommon among cast, hence require unique approach. This skill is poorly transferable from other characters. It is not is not hard on itself, it is hard to pick up complitely unique playstyle. Especialy after playing long time on others

[@nensho._]

let me add, he has one of the weakest wall combos even with tailspin added, compare it to dragonuv's bnb wall combo, he just can't compete.

[@brettf45]

Thank you for saying this....ive been hard stuck fujin and now raijin and just thought i was trash. Lol

[@disruptor6550]

Nah dude, if you've reached blue ranks with Steve that's a HUGE feat! You are pretty much the opposite of trash lol

[@MiguelAldanotes]

Yeah, and to be fair, the skill in blue ranks can vary drastically. You get cheeseballs and then some technically sound bushin or tekken Lord. It's rough out here lol

[@brettf45]

@disruptor6550 thanks bro I was hella frustrated before thus lol

[@brettf45]

@@MiguelAldanotes I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like that lol

[@TheSLashera]

Very proud of myself for reaching Kishin on Steve as a non-legacy player. I had to get really sweaty for that.

[@Coollegalass]

Tekken 8 is ur first?

[@TheSLashera]

Nah. I have like 1k hours in T7 but that was my first one.

[@Nearsid3d_BC]

Any tips I’m barely mighty ruler? 😅

[@Coollegalass]

@@TheSLashera I see that’s true bro it’s not easy to rank with him I reached lately tekken emperor after 5k hours on 7 and many controllers that broke 😂😂😂

[@Superfoodcookie]

First main was jin for me I reached mighty rank, then hwoarng which I reached mighty rank again. I decided to pick up steve and I'm finally fujin rank, about 170hr game time in so far. Fujin with steve is hard as hell and I can't get passed it, I may drop steve and pick up kaz for now giving myself a break.

[@mmy2k48]

TMM was MAD having to fight a Jin after fighting that Nina LMAO

[@tokowera]

we bout to BUSS with this one boys

[@souffka]

it's so insane to see the difference between the nina match and the others, I would swear that that was garyu gameplay if ranks were hidden

[@jacoporoncaglia3156]

I feel like a lot of people consider steve much easier now , that the shiro combo is gone but for me it became harder to play: fastest launcer standing is 22f, has very bad oki in tekken 8 and in this game is very important to keep momentum going, he has lost some important CH luncher ( flk 1d1 ws2 df2). Also he has a LOT of tech like B2 , clinch 1 and db1+2 into pkb f1+2 for wallspat (without it you lose a lot of damege and pressure) and some specific set up with while running 1 and sonic fang. He has not a homing mid move only the heat smash can be used as such. all this while you need to stay consistent with the duck cancel and if you mess up you are. completly open to any kind of launcer.

[@buffering-rn5xi]

10:52 - Feels like Bryan is better than me at everything. 11:05 - Oh we're better at grappling Stevebros don't even worry about it. BS Aside, I'm here anytime there's Steve content... freaking love it. Would love to see more DF2 action from you MainMan!

[@underdogart]

The way heera malik plays steve its like bread on butter

[@hiimpranav]

Wait really heera malik does so much kooky shit constantly i feel like mainman was playing bread and butter

[@SurferrDuddee09]

I think what’s he’s saying is that Herra Malik makes some of the most difficult and complicated Steve tech look effortless.

[@hiimpranav]

@@SurferrDuddee09 OOOOH thats a nice way to put it

[@Coollegalass]

It’s actually not true I mean I do understand what ur saying but even heera drops a lot and having hard time I can see it a lot he drops a lot of combos

[@JJEHUTYY]

Tf hera. Has a harrrd time lmao

[@Chimbles907]

I’m a non legacy player and had to claw my way up to Kishin with Steve lmfao, I want to get him to Tekken King before I try someone a bit less stressful

[@Ayala1722]

This Nina being bussin is a war crime

[@miguelm.a7462]

I use Nina as main I reached Fujin for the second time, and first I almost never do Rage art, I usually use the power crush just to give me space, I don't spawn always the same attack, I know how to do mix ups and do combos, so I probably would have lost to this Nina, but I would had complained about he/she not playing her good.

[@nx47]

Bruh that nina player was absolute dogshit. The fact that he’s almost tekken king playing like a green rank baboon is fucking wild

[@ozcet5641]

Ambatbus..ambatuBUSSSSS!!

[@ASHURAHEN]

BUS 🚌

[@christopherhensel1076]

Albatross? I thought it was quick spin 🤔

[@hiimpranav]

Phidx viewer i see

[@JJEHUTYY]

​@@hiimpranavfr lmao been albatross since t4

[@chaset.3249]

That Nina didn't sidestep at all through 3 matches

[@NIK06456]

I started playing Steve more in Tekken 8 than in Tekken 7 and maybe I'm not experienced tekken player but in my opinion the biggest "problem" with Steve is that he doesn't have anything that can be abused. In Tekken 7 Steve was difficult character but you could play him in some way like a monkey. In Tekken 8 to use his potential you have to use practicly every his tool and some of them are just weak. DF2 10 dmg 16F. Absurd counter hit from FLK 1d1 and launching parry that doesn't work on every character. There's nothing that you can be scared when playing against Steve. Only to not make a mistake.

[@SuperSparDante]

I think Mainman's so honest, every blue rank steve i see just spams strings and stance transitions into evasive moves

[@hiimpranav]

Thats literally just how you play steve tho lmao even mainman is doing evasion and stance transition pressure

[@CashMoneyFei]

Fax

[@TungstenViper]

I think most blue Steves just do bd1+2 at the most random times to then heat engage. Like, people can't stand 2 seconds without using armor moves ans heat

[@SuperSparDante]

@@hiimpranav yeah, he's not spammin tho, it's like the difference between a flamingo spammer and a high level hwo

[@TungstenViper]

@@hiimpranav that how you play everything in this game if you have no gameplan or adaptability

[@aephyn_]

That Jin was no Kishin lol.

[@JFalconer91_YT]

The more i watch this Steve showcase, He's wearing some sort of Nike 270C trainers that i used wear. Love it! Just the design of them.

[@Greenleaf_]

That nina game is every game at orange and red.

[@TheTriangle444]

This version of steve is the MOST (borderline trying hard) honest character in the game. He still has his core plan intact from tekken 7 but most of it is gutted and replaced with some low damage offense so now you're really going to have to improve the rest of your fundamental skills and overall knowledge to rank up

[@frenchVynn]

That Nina was fucking atrocious

[@zato-1766]

Yea no that was knowledge check gaming for sure lol. The dude's entire gameplan was to just use every resource he had to never play defense and then mash shit like chain throws on offense.

[@sirmiba]

It's 80% of all Ninas like that. Slide in or ff1+2 ungabunga, + On block string that ends in a mid to start pressure, f1+2 if you as much throw ONE df1 to take your turn, yolo a low string or chunky low occasionally, rinse and repeat it's almost offensive

[@Cutthroat__]

@@sirmibacoming from a tekken god supreme nina definitely not true

[@sirmiba]

@@Cutthroat__ I don't know about TGS, but it certainly is like that at blue ranks.

[@liviekumori]

​@@Cutthroat__ of course the nina player wouldn't agree XD

[@elle0722]

Recently bought tekken 8, i'm already familiar with the game because i played 7 casually and my main was steve, and now i want to reach at least Fujin with him, thx for these great Steve video they help me with some combo, wish me luck for the grind 🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@araratamedi]

Goodluck man he's not as good now

[@JFalconer91_YT]

Haven't seen you stream on twitch for a while. Hope you're doing well. Loving these uploads !

[@franklinsullivan8336]

I think Steve is all timing mind games and hard punish

[@lildirt793]

Your tekken 7 Steve was fire hope it continues this Steve

[@fatboy561]

Just got to shinryu with Steve…… it ain’t easy just made tenryu update 👌

[@Krubbe]

Feels kinda bad hearing TMM shit on that Jin in the last match.. I'm hovering around Dominator on Jin rright now, but T8 is my first Tekken...

[@ektrfirefox2571]

2:26 the disrespect

[@CosmicVoid420]

Lol for real. When he said it's too risky to duck bryan, what mid is he afraid of? Because I can only think of B4 into ff2, df1 string and qcb4 as mids to really punish crouches. But most bryans don't throw qcb4

[@gmsnooze]

That Nina was cancerous 😂

[@Notwedsquid]

I played a nina earlier that did the same exact string i countered her she just quits one and done.

[@Withir]

I got Dragunov to Kishin and I think this will be the wall for some time. Maybe will be able to get Tekken king if I keep the grind but it's really hard now.

[@abdulghani6686]

The thing is you can't play him like you do other characters , however he is the most fun for me so far and I play a lot of character ( most of them casually of course)

[@Blobertbigly]

These are the fists of a champion!

[@tinyt.w.i.m7291]

Congrats on making it bussin

[@Kawaiistarzone]

Bushin ❌ BUSSIN ✅

[@youngOGTelly]

Ahh yes, some Steve Fox inspiration. I need that. I might get back to playing him now.

[@Lay_rue442]

Hahaaaaaaa the lightskin launcher 21:24

[@Sailorvenusssv]

Omm this was a joke

[@Sailorvenusssv]

Like ya dad

[@Piotrollo.]

I lost my promo for bushin as Stevo, drop to fujin, get stock there, Im so done with him. So hard to make anything as him. Is time to change him or force myself and go up..

[@Crimsongz]

Skill issue

[@ScotsmanJ]

Steve is the hardest character in the game to rank up with. Even getting to Fujin with him is an achievement in itself brother. Be proud that you don't need to pick braindead characters to rank up.

[@JJEHUTYY]

​@@Crimsongzoh shut up im a Tekken god steve & ill wash you.. He is right

[@veryninjalike385]

Going for Wiff punishes with ub 3/4”lionheart” Into 2 or b3+4”flicker” into b2/2 mix is a great neutral tool for me. CH flicker 2 is a decent launcher but spacing a gotta be tight.

[@levi26448]

As good as he is with the game with knowledge and skills, why have I never seen him participate in tournaments? I feel like he would do very well

[@CephlonMayngrum]

He'd be in the top 150 to 200 players at evo

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

he used to go to tourneys but he makes enough being a streamer and has a fsmily so i dont think he thinks it's worth the constant traveling

[@PotatoBoi25]

I'm now playing with steve for the same reason: Difficulty I'm a king main, and I'm just kinda tired of how overpowered and brain-dead king can be at times. So playing with a challenging character feels like a workout for me and it's fun🙂

[@soarinduscai]

What a title man😭 love the content tho

[@НикитаНиколаев-и2ц]

Хорошая игра, но больше всего меня порадовали случаи, когда стива прижали к стене. Вот хоть убей, не понимаю как оттуда выбираться. Радует, что это даже у таких сильных бойцов.

[@davidbenedictogarcia234]

After a long wall push, b+2 into PAB 1+2 is possible instead of go for PAB 1+2 directly. Also if u only need b+2, 1+2 to close the round u have it !. Nice work with Steve !

[@emptea4437]

Does Sweden play on a different server than UK? I keep hearing mainman talk about how high level blue ranks are but when I play in blue ranks people can't even break throws

[@thedirectorscut4848]

Yeah he is hard to rank up....when you dont use "ova heah"

[@RiX0071]

Where is they new steve video we need it 😢

[@xFlexoh]

Hello guys, Anybody experienced more input Delay since the last 1.06 update ? My inputs feel slower than usual 😢

[@watchtheisolation8514]

That Nina player really said he is going to play tekken 8 with only pressing a few buttons. No combos lmao

[@Sailorvenusssv]

Shutup

[@watchtheisolation8514]

@@Sailorvenusssv that’s you 😂🤣

[@Sailorvenusssv]

@@watchtheisolation8514 got me there

[@fujinuchihainfinite2906]

Wow

[@Sailorvenusssv]

@@fujinuchihainfinite2906 I’ll lick it off the bone my guy

[@BlueWater530]

Did u heard what he say guys Steve is the hardest character in the game so please give some respect 🙏🏾 🫡 👏

[@mr-anfosh827]

the jin player he played agianst was good and didnt even abuse jin broken stuff so TMM hating on him was kinda of underserved

[@Greenleaf_]

Were your feelings hurt? He never insulted the Jin player.

[@TungstenViper]

He used almost all of his gimmicks. You call instant divekick, phantom heat engagers and scurge honest?

[@Fatdog22]

he was definitely hating that jin player was really good

[@FentyMixx]

@@Greenleaf_ corny

[@Greenleaf_]

@@FentyMixx You're not black

[@markshmellomd1370]

U should use manual lionheart more, its ballin when u get good at delaying timings with duck cancels and weaves

[@dxvid9213]

every nina i face plays like that good that it wont change even in bushin lol

[@Coollegalass]

U need to be good to reach blue rank with Steve but in the other hand u see that bushin Nina show that Nina can carry u with her bs to blue ranks 😂

[@NekMinuteG]

Damn I was yapping in the comments for a bit, asking ppl to match up.

[@PearlsOfwiszdom]

Hit Fujin with Steve yesterday. The best advice I've ever gotten is off TMM himself. Read your opponenta moves and don't rely on gimmicks, learnt the actual game or else you will plateau hard.

[@NikkoKami]

No mainmanswe here hope you’re all doing awesome as always?

[@rakunbuncit2324]

that bryan is actually really clean but too bad he still stuck at tekken 7

[@MJfp6lx]

Whoever decided on the changes to Steve and Devil Jin,bro should never be allowed to cook. Absolutely 🗑️ changes. No one plays Steve or devil Jin anymore in tournaments. no one wants to take the risk.

[@JJEHUTYY]

Did you see how knee lost to BOOK??? it was steve against jin & i totally agree couldn't do anything with steve

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

Ninas like this are the reason that Nina players have the reputation that we do lol. Play a good nina and youll realize how different the playstyle is from whatever this bs is😂

[@Withir]

You can step Nina's while running 2nd hit left

[@sonofaballer96]

I think Hera Malik just hit god of destruction after so many months.

[@Lethalassassin27]

his T8 Steve is cracked. he hit GoD quick, some months ago

[@elmousse007]

I wonder what you use those combo routes

[@elmousse007]

Bro that Nina was so annoying to watch. Really bad player carried by the game mechanics. A bushin. He litteraly did 0 combo despite getting several counter hits launchers. Doesn’t even do the follow up after wipe the floor. He just spam strings

[@moxdegiourno7984]

i have met south korean players in quick match who are purple ranks who play like that but instead spam grab and palm power crush then rage art theyre annoying to play against thats why i just spam back as well and troll them then they wont rematch if i win lol

[@elmousse007]

@@moxdegiourno7984 That! Players that spam grabs. Whenever you spam back, they rage quit or don’t rematch. Happened to me a few times

[@demetriusb773]

This is the easiest tekken game of all time. I just got a PS5 and got fujin in 2 days. I realized that the game allows anyone to rank up. For starters, warrior is the new first Dan since you don't lose points until then. So anyone up until like red ranks is horrible. Literally seen someone using special style at purple 🤣 it's a great marketing strategy though. Allow casuals to get ranks that were considered somewhat decent in 7 so they can feel good and keep playing your game. Harada smart af

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

Does Steve still have his Smash (the leaning back uppercut that avoids highs)?

[@hiimpranav]

He does ye heera malik lovws doing the setup where you do a jab string into a powercrush high and cancel it into the backsway 2

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@hiimpranav *Back sway. My bad. I only knew the boxing term. That's cool af. I remember it being kinda finicky back in the day. They'd have to be pretty damn close for it to connect, so it was hard to use.

[@CephlonMayngrum]

​@@beircheartaghaistin2332 Still in game

[@phenom504]

Steve is bussin people’s asses in ranked

[@gianmarcomaltoni6335]

Mainman, being honest. Your steve combos are far from optimal and really weird. But i like those.😂

[@prince_ro9080]

No offense I love mainman but he was hating on Jin for no reason. Yes he is easier than in 7 vs now but cmon, all characters got gutted in 8. some more then others. That Jin was doin zen/zan cancels, elecs, good combos, good general movement, great neutral, like cmon bro, ye we know that in his opinion kaz is supreme but by his logic: why is he this rank too? Maybe he recently picked up Jin’s ranked journey. Maybe he aint a streamer that can play 24/7. Just cuz he play‘s a harder character atm? Jin has a lotta tools that still make Him harder to play then for example azu (atleast mid ranks)

[@Sailorvenusssv]

Liar

[@tristanherb49]

nah azu is not easier than jin. Alisa maybe.

[@trinixjin8039]

Doubt they'll buff steve in any meaningful way, pros already see him as a great pick and a counter pick. He's had excellent showings in tournaments. Im just surprised Lee isnt played much in tournament

[@loos8832]

Why does mainman always use heatdash really early? Is Steve during heat really that mediocre?

[@ratbag4127]

He is pretty rough in heat. His chip is subpar and he doesn't get many options.

[@kingkino2116]

because quick and/or long range mid check into +frames +wall carry is better than throwing out heat gimmicks for most characters, esp. if opponent is low hp. Unless its someone like Ling that gets a +6 mid string in heat to use instead, nina and hwo with their ungodly chip block strings, or Kaz with an even more busted hellsweep

[@TungstenViper]

Steve's heat engagers suck. His armor moves are scarse. His special moves in heat are a counter stance, a faster duck and duck throw 50/50. That's it. His heat smash is ass: Linear as fuck, doesn't wall break, can floor break, shitty damage and sometimes it doesn't ch for some weird reasons i still don't grasp

[@JJEHUTYY]

​@@TungstenViperhave you noticed if you flicker stanced to quickly you get a parry misinput instead??

[@TungstenViper]

@@JJEHUTYY you gotta really time it out or else you get throw/parry

[@z4twicks406]

When i get tired of steve i change to lee just to relax my fingers 😂

[@JJEHUTYY]

From 6-8 steve has taken 13 nerfs no homing Mids terrible lows bad mids you can jab right after working for a terrible guard break while rising 2 lost its launcher on counter hit...nerfed back down two doesnt floor opponents no side step 1+2 from tag days terrible back 1 & bad frames basically no TOOLS

[@venkkat3863]

Watching this inspired me to play steve... untill I tried a combo and realized I fucking suck

[@disruptor6550]

His combos aren't actually THAT hard. They are easier than the T7 Steve combos. Combos are your least problematic thing when it comes to Steve honestly. What's hard about Steve is that his tools are just limited compared to most of the cast. His lows are terrible, his CHs aren't special anymore as many other characters have equally strong CHs or even better ones, he has pretty much no launch punishement, his heat is garbage, and his mixup utility is very weak as TMM said in the video. You are pretty much relying on your opponents making mistakes and pressing into you, and you having great timing, spacing, defense.

[@user-hf2zi8bk6r]

@@disruptor6550 his CH arent special anymore? genuinely asking what do you mean by this? his b1 is still the #1 ch tool ingame imo. his running up and uhh idk UF+2 (?) is a pretty strong launcher too and not even launch punishable for what you can get. sorry language barrier makes it hard for me to give more examples but he still got some very good tools but utilizing them in a proper way is a lot harder than it was in T7 because everyone is just rushing you down if you arent rushing the enemy down. well, except of this point i fully agree

[@disruptor6550]

@@user-hf2zi8bk6r what I meant by that is that many other character have insane CH launchers in T8, compared to T7 where Steve and his B1 kinda stood out. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great move, but his CH identity is not that unique anymore since many other characters have similarly great CH launchers. And yeah, his UF2 is a solid move since it's only -14, but it's not meant for launch punishment. Usually it's more a tool to launch hard reads or sidestep launch people, as it's pretty slow.

[@cloudcoastgaming]

@@user-hf2zi8bk6rSteve’s counter hits are not as good as they were. Back 1 is duckable and often doesn’t function as good as it should given the types of attacks you get from others that interrupt it. Fengs shoulder is way more useful than b1. And there are a few others that just get way more mileage. I’ve even heard some say that his b1 is bugged.

[@Coollegalass]

@@disruptor6550ur wrong his combos in 8 are harder in 7 even his normal optimal combo is hard to do little bit less then shirt but even heera drops his combs i am tekken emperor with Steve and i still drop sometimes so u are wrong about it tekken 8 Steve combos are harder

[@djohnson504x3]

Steve is a great character when you start to master him. I'm currently emperor with him! 💪🏽

[@steveholt5115]

No you’re not

[@djohnson504x3]

@steveholt5115 lol whatever you say bum 🤣

[@steveholt5115]

@@djohnson504x3 why you lyin?

[@CodeVenomSnakes]

@@steveholt5115 You should play against him in Tekken 8

[@djohnson504x3]

@steveholt5115 why you acting like Emperor is unattainable? You acting like I'm claiming to God of destruction. Which I will be soon btw

[@DonutEnjoyerNico]

What about lars, is he easy to rank up?

[@araratamedi]

Kinda yeah he's not like a top 10 character but he's fairly rare with some bullshit moves and traps

[@showtimefu1234]

Steve still needs buffs especially damage, kid kazuya from t7 does more damage then him

[@JohnSmith-yn9ju]

That Nina is as brain dead as it gets😭😭

[@theanti-hypemonitor9079]

the nina is the reason frame dropped the game xD

[@HubbaGaming]

More Steve please

[@Swamppu33yy]

buss maxing

[@Jxytoven]

Some dude on my friends list is max rank with steve and dragunov, the hardest and prob easiest to play with🤣

[@bonganimkhwanazi2081]

Aaah... Aaah... AaahmahbouttaBUSSS 😩😩😩

[@BustaNAugusta]

Steve has much better range and counterhits than Bryan. He also has panic buttons, guard break, lots of evasion and a hurtbox not nearly as big as Bryan’s.

[@JJEHUTYY]

You are on COKE

[@BustaNAugusta]

@@JJEHUTYYUm nah, Steve, like Bryan lacks an identity/archetype. But Steve is much better at small Tekken, counter hitting, neutral than Bryan. Bryan does way more damage. But Steve has better and sneakier lows, especially the foot stomps and evasion galore. He’s got better punish and power crushes. Neither play like any other character, Steve is completely unique. In a head to head match, Steve has Bryan’s number.

[@JJEHUTYY]

@@BustaNAugusta but steve is supposed to be the " counterhit paragon"From 6-8 steve has taken 13 nerfs no homing Mids terrible lows bad mids you can jab right after working for a terrible guard break while rising 2 lost its launcher on counter hit...nerfed back down two doesnt floor opponents no side step 1+2 from tag days terrible back 1 & bad frames basically no TOOLS

[@BustaNAugusta]

@@JJEHUTYYI feel you homie trust me! Bryan lost counterhit tools and a launcher as well. All of Bryan’s lows are punishable to the point of being wall splatted. None of Bryan’s lows hit grounded if they stay there and they don’t track well (d4) if tech rolled. Steve on the other hand has a few lows that are great pokes and that spinning low that is guaranteed after certain moves, and it’s basically homing. Steve doesn’t get nearly what Bryan does from his counters, but man what I’d do for a fast counter like b1! I think both characters are change of pace fighters, neither are counter hit paragons like Nina/King/Lidia/Jin/Ling/Feng/Law are. They’re not keep out characters either, especially when Bryan’s main keep out and counterhit move (3+4) gets him countered and launched by df2 and much more way more often than it works as it’s intended. Steve is one of the harder matchups for me with Bryan, I fight a lot of Steve’s and play him to a small extent. He keeps Bryan out pretty easy and definitely out-plays him with small Tekken.

[@tristanherb49]

​bryan is definetly the counterhit paragon, steve now is like the poke paragon maybe not aure if he is even the best in that. also bryan can open up people with his hatchet steve can't, the best yiu get of guard break is 19 damage aftereards if your opponent ain't mashing like a monkey, because you actually have time to prepare since he only can do it after entering lionheart. The reward for bryan is just waaaaaay morr than steves reward you literally only need one good launch and your opponent is basically dead 😂. ​@@BustaNAugusta

[@CephlonMayngrum]

The best way to play steve in this game is to be totally disrespectful. TMM plays too safe. Plus he doesnt utilize Steve's most unique strength, wall throws.

[@turkymurky8433]

How is that nina bushin

[@sneakywulf]

Did he quit his Steve climb?

[@kingfranko]

I can't stand fighting Steve because it literally feels like it's always his turn especially when he does stance evade. If I don't get offense first then I get steam rolled

[@kaleidoscope6043]

That Nina being Bushin is a fucking disgrace, I guess that's what happens when you just queue into people with no MU knowledge and hope for the best.

[@omnipollo121]

i think ranking up is harder in general now the games been out a while

[@young_dion4114]

What song is played in the intro?

[@arielbiton7142]

Thats bs, steve players in my rank (tekken god) just mash and there is nothing I can do. I go to replay mode and there are 0 tips

[@zkatom3773]

Is bro getting better with Steve?