The PROBLEM With Deepwoken Lore...

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[@LeafBlade3436]

Silenhearth u deny WORDS of the song, not the song itself, those words being mantras

[@KoolManX-vr5ii]

Yo btw check Kennith lore on the wiki the satire video is cannon

[@hexagowe3415]

main problem is that it rarely ties into gameplay

[@kilopopki4947]

Really doesnt need to. Many games have the same “problem”

[@cool_knight]

@hexagowe3415 If you want a game with a heavy lore tie in play arcane odyssey it’s getting a big update on this friday

[@GodspokenYT]

Lore doesn’t need to tie into gameplay tho

[@tenosicks]

the only reason why you can fight maestro is because the lore is moving forward so hopefully we see more of lore based content

[@shadowflash7971]

​@@cool_knightfr? Cool, Thought it was dead

[@CodenGlith]

the fact that a random lumberjack in etris has so much influence that if you give him like 50 pieces of wood your now "the hero of etris"

[@Reaconteur]

real

[@deathlord9329]

Real LOL

[@VERGILGASM]

Me asf

[@celanvaril6200]

Bro wants a business start up tycoon in deepwoken

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Lmfao 😭 especially when you bought the wood from their own fucking stocks.

[@averageanger7092]

Silentheart DOESNT mean you deny the song. The name is confusing and I blame the devs for making it odd, but the it works is essentially that you deny the WORDS of the song. Mantras aren't called mantras for no reason, they are chants, lyrics. When you get silentheart you are told your heart is changed to the drumbeats of the world and of the song. You exchange magic, HUMAN abuse of the song, in exchange for the more primal drumbeats of the world. Bells and murmurs are not the words or lyrics, so they do not count. Mantras and songchant are highly refined versions of the song. Whatever silentheart uses is raw. Essentially, you go ape mode, Ted Kaczynski "The Cantaclysm and it's consequences have been a disaster for Lumen's races" mode, and you start sending pipe bombs into mantra trainers mailboxes. You don't deny the song, you use pre-cantaclysmic song, maybe. I think. Maybe Arch said something in the discord that disproves all of this or perhaps I'm delusional. I'm just going off of what I've seen in game. I will agree with you that the lore just seems everywhere and is not properly written into gameplay or even fucking item descriptions. The discord should not be an actual place to commonly refer to when it comes to finding out what's true in the lore. It's not "soulslike storytelling," it's random stuff splattered everywhere with no real direction.

[@swordlegend3256]

dreadstar also calls someone who killed you with an attunment someone who abuses the song "The stench is nauseating. You've died at the hands of those who abuse the Song, thus you strive to strengthen your resolve to overcome them. Yet you cannot do so. They have wronged us as well, long in the past... and we desire the same as you, hateful one."

[@Jangrodath]

i thought it was because your heart go replaced tbh

[@Machinewashere]

Kenith is in layer 2 because of his resolve, your souls strength/weight is not dependent on physical strength, but also your mental strength, he resisted the mind veil lord regent placed on the city and even desired to reveal the truth of what's happening in the city. His determination and ability to resist the mind veil made his soul heavy enough to go to layer 2. Not everyone down there is a godslayer, the npc in the railway is probably down there due to their desire to study and learn everything about the kyrsans to the point their soul was deemed strong enough to end up down there.

[@TheAquer773]

He didnt resist it, arch mage just said the veil isnt perfect

[@orangejuice8140]

ah, an inquisitive soul.

[@myqaa2013]

3 star weight kenith

[@branislavstolic9180]

nuh uh, clearly because he was in love with a kyrsgarde /j

[@ligmagigma522]

Tbh the real lore is how the devs all have their own ideas of the lore

[@Hereoneavailable]

Fr like you telling me silent heart can use bell powerful power and all but you cant punch really hard with strongleft?

[@SlightlySchizophrenic]

​@@Hereoneavailable ??? Thats just cuz it's different applications of the song

[@ligmagigma522]

@@SlightlySchizophrenic🤓

[@ARandomEliatrope]

​@@SlightlySchizophrenic application of the song is such a dumb argument because its a cop out for literally anything

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

​​@@HereoneavailableYou can sorta explain that with the fact that even attunementless mantras are infused with ether by nature (they cost ether). Strong left is a ether infused punch, a regular non infused strong left would break your hands

[@uhmraven.]

im glad somebody finally spoke about this, deepwoken devs neglect the lore and just bend it to fit whatever stuff they wanna add. it feels disregarded and not cared about and it feels really off knowing that they'll just add/contradict anything if it means they can make it work for what they want to add

[@Sc5ch]

The fact they said Water & Light won't be added and have kept that promise to this day disproves this. If I was a dev, I wouldn't spend time prioritizing lore when players really don't care. Think of the Diver Journals. Nobody actually reads them, they just get them for Deepshore Fossil. Also, even if they did add full Lore quests or whatever, nobody would do them, so it just ends up being something they occasionally add on the side whenever they feel like it. That's probably why it's so inconsistent sometimes. This isn't a story-based game like Arcane Odyssey. It's a Build-Making game.

[@dolabola773]

@@Sc5ch alright but it's been 200 ingame years and the war between etris and the authority has not changed or progressed at all. makes you wonder why they even added lore in the 1st place

[@gamer4lyfe480]

its not a story. its lore. your not gonna be fed sh like that cause its a game

[@thekittenyawns9145]

I can explain one of the points you made. The alpha sharko tacet, an npc at hive when you speak to him states “the creatures here are evolving.”

[@onishiranui]

vague

[@melarier5389]

I actually find it quite amusing to se a monster using a murmur. It reminds me that the Song isn't exclusive to humanoids, even Monsters can evolve to use it.

[@_crvn_]

@@melarier5389 when owl with bell?

[@thekittenyawns9145]

@@onishiranui the evolution of reservoir into tempo caused a evolution in monsters as well

[@TijnHams]

It's actually just because the monsters of the deep already harness the song, that's how they exist and become corrupted. Megalodaunts are already able to do an ardour scream, so why shouldn't they be able to learn tacet aswell? It's even how they spawn in when not chewing on a body. Also, they don't use rhythm cause it's exclusive to layer 2 :P

[@vekazu_is_great_guy]

I like to think that captain Orlando wipes him self every time he hears you wipe or sense you wipe so he could chill in fragments of self and look cool while waiting for you to ask him tell you the basics again just in case you forgot and then he just gets restore for being the GOAT of deep lore and telling about bugs that we've never seen before and that's why he gets all the restores

[@fanta4life360]

fragments is just a memory hes been in floor 2 since the tutorial

[@sigilsick]

its Orlandeau.

[@eeeeeeee7662]

Nicely enough, the captain in fragments is a memory of him, which is why we refer to him as just “the captain” in fragments

[@alice-ys8zy]

7:30 Ok so, the dreadstar does not cut off the flow of the song, if that were to happen youd just become an incredibly weak person, it doesn’t cut it off, it limits your usage of the song, im pretty sure this was either explained by arch or was in one of the lore books

[@lolfoxmaster4870]

5:06 Wdym nine or ten prophets 😭 Even the weakest prophet can probably kill a Rogue construct.

[@Thegoateon]

I think when he said prophets he meant the ministry scouts bc he was stuttering a lot and didn’t seem to have a script for the vid

[@Reaconteur]

man i script all my videos i just forgot what they were called

[@Vulture_King]

1. I mean regular sharkos use ardour. It's presumably just an ability that they have that hasn't been expounded upon 2. I always thought it was just agreed that the cause was ministry corruption, which is why it's no longer loyal to the hive 3. It's exactly that. You ignore the lyrics of the song aka mantras (speaking magic) so enchants and resonances work. It's not about the difficulty but the classification. It's not different notes but a whole other part of the song 4. The starkindred trainer outright says that the celestial was taken from the rotlands below 5. Regent does literally control the depths since he's a prophet so it's not all that far fetched 6. Enibras I think 7. Yeah they're all physical places. This is expanded on in the thresher claw item lore of all things where it explains that the boundary between layer 1 and the surface is extremely dangerous which is why power 20s can't just swim down

[@MatiasIglesiasIglesias]

Correct

[@deli8878]

for 7 that seems like made in abyss type descending

[@halelolel]

Number 7 is also mentioned in the oscillation book where they explain the piece

[@rowen9523]

But deepbounds can just swim down? Make it make sense

[@trace1506]

@@rowen9523 I mean in fairness their whole thing is that they made a deal with the depths itself (Somehow) that allows them to swim down whenever

[@theoriginalkora]

the lore is really interesting for what it’s worth but a lot of it is convoluted as hell

[@Reaconteur]

true

[@infinitereverse3587]

Deepwoken lore is so cool but it can be so confusing sometimes

[@deathles993]

Can't forget how Klaris somehow doesn't even have a bell, While being able to create a whole new attunment/oath.

[@azelolaro7647]

Maybe she haven't experienced near death moment, But if that's the case, she must be really strong

[@yor7800]

​@@azelolaro7647 correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember she can only be hit by magic.

[@rain-pj4xq]

​@@yor7800yeah. She's apparently intangible, not even akira can beat her

[@TheAquer773]

She didnt create the attunement/oath

[@Blahamus]

​@@rain-pj4xq Wrong, Akira can beat her, the strength difference between Akira & her is sure high and even if she might be intangible and make all of his moves useless, Akira can still pop his one-shot bell on her. Akira is the strongest Diver we've seen so far cannonically (talking about gameplay-wise of course), it is said that Klaris is barely strong enough to kill a power 20 like us, so she must be like power 25 ish

[@blue__9281]

I love it how Etris has katanas… and ignition union has iron man suits

[@boon3772]

Etris and authority: sword and magic Ignition union and the hive:From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.

[@lolfoxmaster4870]

@@boon3772And Etris was still somehow stronger. The old king of Etrea is one of the strongest NPCs in the entire game aside from the drowned gods.

[@TheBest_Nascar]

One of the points you made is that shopkeepers sell the training item for shadowcast even though it is illegal. The training item says in its description that it is blessed gem. Now an inconsistency would be why we cannot use it.

[@sparkleswfx1062]

Problem when u kill the mech to study it is that it literally EVAPORATES when u kill it

[@igneousingester3144]

My friend managed to play the game for over 6 months, prog several builds, and get high elo and didn't learn about the lore timeline until I explained it to him. If that doesn't show how badly it is all over the place then I don't know what does. Also just to clarify silentheart rejects the words of the song, not the song itself. The words of the song are mantras.

[@Reaconteur]

💀

[@yellowjackx5996]

Devs need to stop talking about lore and make players more incentivized to exlpore the world for lore like the secret updates. For example how you find the diver journals (aside from looking up a walktrough) is exploration

[@Sc5ch]

Except 90% of players don't care and just do it for Deepshore Fossil lol

[@usernamelegend345]

most people dont care unfortunately, as much as you hate devs, they neglect lore for a valid reason.

[@rocketta5]

the maestro weapons are a set of enchantable legendary weapons, its just inconsistent what they decide is enchantable for "balance reasons" even though purple cloud is absolutely broken and the fact its enchantable does not help

[@klocekpolicyjny5854]

purple cloud is so bad what are you talking about

[@bingalowkie8029]

@@klocekpolicyjny5854 we found the boosted guy

[@SallyWalllyy]

@@klocekpolicyjny5854i got 3 tapped by it one time as power 13 with 50 fortitude

[@rocketta5]

@@klocekpolicyjny5854i cant tell if this is rage bait or not

[@VERGILGASM]

​@@rocketta5 it is tho

[@BonfireDaGoat]

Wait until bro hears about imperators edge…

[@jackdiedtoday_]

this video has a ton of mistakes: Lord Regent sits on the coral throne all the time because it’s what allows him to cast the mind veil (source: arch mage, operation puppet master book) Silentheart doesn’t make you outright reject the song, its a pact with the Dreadstar to purge those who abuse the song, which is a much weaker application of a drowned god’s power. while it only makes you cast away mantras with a vow, not the song outright (source: dreadstar dialogue, kaide dialogue, vows by the sea: inheritance, silentheart card description) orlandeau got banished to floor 2 because he was a pirate and that was his punishement (source: tutorial, f2 orlandeau dialogue, klaris dialogue) railblade isnt an application of one’s own magic, it mechanically constantly produces it’s own heat (source: railblade description) why cant you just move at the high speeds that you move at when using tacet mantrad any time you want? ever heard of ether my friend? i dont really know a source that states shadowcast is outright illegal, can you point that one out?

[@GodspokenYT]

I think it’s said by that one guy who gives ministry rep or the book quest for aces, maybe even one of the books. Apparently shadow cast is an illegal attunement only used by the ministry cult and might be a key part in “drowning the world.” This is only speculation tho.

[@empsychos5209]

Isn't the railblade powered mechanically? Not via the song?

[@ElyassOFF]

shadowcast is "taboo", like If you got caught with, you will be either executed or exiled (check wiki)

[@Sc5ch]

@@empsychos5209 Yeah, it was created by the Ignition Union. Just like the Mecha Sharkos in Miner's Landing, it just generates heat. Railblade has no relation to Flame, so theoretically it should have access to enchants.

[@Leafwp]

Bro just watch the video dude. It is not that deep, don’t gotta write all that when noone gonna listen to your yapp😢

[@Hivatel]

Actually, I read all the lore stuff off the wiki. But yeah, the game never tells you it's your soul getting sucked into the Depths, from which you can directly infer that everyone is just straight immortal aside from true death, which only occurs in the Depths. Reservoir and tempo were a combat system rework, unrelated to the lore. Also, generally shadowcast itself isn't necessarily illegal, it's apparently just because the Ministry use it. There is very obviously a normal way to obtain shadowcast (via Umbral Obsidian and the proper knowledge/people). The guy in the story most likely used some type of failed method that led to taking the entire ether of a person permanently. Resonances aren't an application of the Song, they're just a power created by the soul. I find it much weirder that they're capable of using Murmur, which is literally an application of the Song. Anyways, the "silent heart" that Silentheart replaces your heart with is capable of sustaining your life through its own power, while also blocking off the Song. Also, Captain Orlando's getting jumped by the Divers if he tries to kill Klaris. And in case you haven't noticed, there happens to be someone called Akira who is most definitely going to retaliate if he attempts to actually kill Klaris. Visionshapers are meant to continue hunting Owls, so of course the Owls are going to still attack them. It's just a game for them. In some universes Heaven and Earth are opposites, while Hell is a completely seperate dimension existing outside of both of them. So this checks out. I just want to mention, Captain Orlandeau really isn't all that. He can survive and plunder quite well, sure, but he is not capable of slaying the Scion of Ethiron. Much unlike us.

[@ReySiger]

Silentheart's vow rejects the Words of the Song (Mantra chants). Resonances and Murmurs are not words, that's why they're not affected by this oath

[@dunistaygeekin]

Add murmurs. Murmurs are just words said softly. Add murmurs.

[@ReySiger]

@@dunistaygeekin I did include murmurs

[@TheNathanator]

Which means murmurs would also count as words of the song, so Silenthearts shouldn't be able to use them. (Murmur means to speak softly or quietly)

[@ohakol7128]

​@@TheNathanatorno no, mantras are like notes from the song, murmur isnt that

[@Sc5ch]

@@TheNathanator Murmurs are more likened to "a soft sound" rather than words in the lore.

[@mogaming163]

I remember when people thought the lore books would tell you how to get contractor oath and others when layer 2 released

[@osbe470]

My theory on silentheart. Is that as we know silentheart replace your heart technically. So my theory is that the "heart" is also the "soul" and vice versa so I think what silentheart really does is give your soul the ability to live without the song or silentheart replaces the need for song kind of like replacing a golden egg with a bag of sand on a booby trap

[@Reaconteur]

literally the soul equivalent of heavenly restriction in jjk

[@osbe470]

@@Reaconteur yeah basically also HAAAIIII

[@tsuknsa]

Thank you for the excellent video Reaconteur!

[@Reaconteur]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Endie7274]

few months ago the Rogue Construct got it's Lifeweave stuff removed and only does it's physical attacks and the weird fire bomb slam. So it'd make sense why it wouldn't have any major use for reverse engineering lifeweave cause the Devs could just say it weakened over time in Minityrsa or just say it's an older model. Plus the golems seem to explode on death so honestly I could see why they never get a chance to study them, nothing left to study if the hunk of (metal? rock?) is blown up with any magic along it. Still, would love to see overtime map changes and certain explanations for why certain characters live despite how much time passed.

[@Reaconteur]

weird

[@mano__diep1318]

dreadheart is prob js keeping you alive w the new heart you have (yeah the bell thing doesnt add up doe)

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa0]

u might deadass just be half dead aswell

[@xboxiscool8768]

5:50 I agree about the rail blade part but if you have hunted rep with the ignition union the npcs that spawn have enchanted rail blades I just wanted to state that

[@boozados]

AYO?

[@saeko2212]

Kenneth was probably killed by a contractor and the guards are only standing guard and awaiting the player. Great vid 👍I rly enjoyed this one and the last one the devs really gota step up their lore game

[@Lepouletultime]

reading the comments of this vid teaches more about the lore than every surface dialogue put together

[@panasonic8023]

The legion are so weird. How is there not a camp or base at hive, considering you see them there constantly fighting authority officers. They only have a super tiny camp in a cave at lower Erisia.

[@MattthemaniaC]

if the deep lore actually tied with the game, i believe it would make the overall gameplay experience much better.

[@grim4499]

They should add sifu mechanics to Deepwoken when you get older the scale of your hp lowers but the damage gets higher hence “the older you get the more fragile you become but stronger perfecting your skills”

[@boon3772]

Moon ring to give your hp back

[@ScxrchedOasis]

The reason hives advancements havent made it in game yet is because the aratel is one of the smallest greathives in the lore. The hive has a ton of greathives spread out everywhere trying to siphon the life and grow their own trees and land and the bigger ones are probably where the technology and biggest weapons are

[@palntyboi]

That’s because she is a trainer and thus knows how to make an attunement potion from a catalyst and blood of a user of that attunement

[@Unlucky_Jolt]

I'll try to clarify some lore, if I'm wrong please correct me. First dukes name is ( this is his title probably duke) ishamon erisia, his bell is golem creation and the mudskipper clones are controlled by forge of sin. Hes really only evil because the forge of sin controls him to an extent while giving him great power. I'm pretty sure that city is supposed to be a reference to lost celtor and how you get out of the depths, i dont really know this one though. next maestro, he doesn't have to get spit on or anything no specific activation, the only reason lord reagent is still alive is because he puts fear into the authority, which maestro knows he cannot protect Etris and vigils from all of those guys, yeah i dont get that part from the lore but it kinda makes sense. Also about lord reagent, the guards dont really know about his evil things. Ferryman is a asshole but he is a kind man that gives gifts to those who are worthy or something. He also is pretty strong so i guess he could change his lightning, this would kind of makes sense about the fighting, because hes bored so he only gives things to people that can entertain him or something. Primadons lore is that he can be summoned with this great sacrifice and can adapt to anything, he is the general of hte depths too and has never been tamed. Chaser resets because hes dead. Chaser was going to go into new krysa, but once you came i think he wanted you to go in with him, but instead you attack him during the dialogue. i have no idea why they dont just knock chaser out and take him back, but i think its something to do with that hes apart of layer 2 now, he has a connection to it or something. Dread serpent, i didn't even know he has lore thought he was just some miniboss or something no comment. Scion of ethiron does control wind, but i mean hes also a drowned god so he probably can also control the minds. Enforcer isn't just power 20s, and the soul, i mean its probably similar to the white soul that comes from killing mobs rarely. dont know anything else to say but please correct me about anything if im wrong cuz deep lore is kind of intriguing in a sense.

[@heathcIiff_LCB]

i always wondered whats the hype about maestro killing lord regent, he probably can just escape the depths and be back again

[@Reaconteur]

gotta follow his ass down there

[@eqnxYT]

The previous king of Etrea is stuck down there due to Ministry stuff

[@kaida_mtd]

All mobs have Tacet which you can see if you've seen mobs despawn and the hive mech at minitrysa is called a "rogue mech" for a reason(it doesn't belong to the hive anymore).

[@CuiMagic]

As duke erisia saw Kenneth and activated his auto parry he look at kenneth but kenneth was using his anti parry technique that he obtained by killing 10 Ethirons at the same time “Nah I’d win” said Kenneth before having raw se-

[@Reaconteur]

real

[@SalvikI]

Isnt silentheart about not abusing the song like everyone else did 🫠

[@HARRAWISH]

7:33 the whole lore of silentheart is being gifted a new heart that fits your lifestyle of rejecting the song dude.

[@leedergs]

9:13 when you enter the rotlands it says on the top of your screen "The scent of decay suffocates this murky land, once the home of a fallen Celestial." lol

[@OzzyTheCat2419]

The problem too is that we also FINALLY got information on the Crypt of the Unbroken that isn't; "The walls are haunted with the souls that walk." or something.. We FINALLY got proof that they are beings tested on by the ministry.. almost a YEAR after it was released onto Minityrysa.

[@kianmcfoot5219]

even though the ignition union and the divers are enemies, youre neutral with them when you start a deepbound character

[@SparklePie05]

I cannot unsee Lord Regent's ass cheeks being imprinted on his throne, after sitting on the throne for more than 400 years 😭

[@Maxus117]

another thing is that the lore can also vary and change on the players actions

[@conkerious]

explanation to everything: devs have to spew out slop updates every weekend to keep the money going!!!! (no one asked for conquest to exist)

[@xxiopoidxx9045]

Alot of people wanted conquest fym

[@conkerious]

@@xxiopoidxx9045 overworld events won by a long shot over conquest

[@detractor7072]

​@@xxiopoidxx9045 near triple the amount of people wanted world events

[@xxiopoidxx9045]

@@detractor7072 world events would take longer than conquest probably so the devs made a decision

[@D4rk0407]

Incase you’re still wondering the abyss walker trainers name is Enibras

[@palntyboi]

The death with no song prolly has been retconned with the god in the machine book (if you don’t know your reading something from the perspective of the person who got used to make the shadow cast juice without a trainer) as well as the heart of a silent heart user being attuned to the rest of the world rather than the song

[@SimplyLost1]

I know I'm months late to this, but at the end of the day it's just a Roblox game. I wouldn't expect it to give us insane lore behind every weapon out of the 134 something weapons in the game and balance the weapons accordingly to the lore, Especially Legendary weapons, it sounds like a fun and cool idea till you run into a lore accurate Pyre Keeper or Gran Sudaruska and get one shot. I think lore in the game is just something they added because it made the world seem a bit more lived in, Basically just throwing a book in front of your nose and saying "This is a tale of a hero who did this and this is why they're worshipped" - I don't think it plays a huge role right now especially since Deepwoken and its "story" side is incomplete as hell.

[@okaycook1307]

the res to tempo change was a fundamental one. They didnt learn to use tempo instead of ether. It was changed to where they always have used tempo when v2 droped 11th legion is still racist

[@Koroth0]

if they fixed deepwoken too be fully lore accurate it honestly might be one of the best games out there on the platform.

[@OzzyTheCat2419]

I feel like if they truly wanted people to include lore in people's heads as a step to get more people talking about it is maybe basing updates around big things like oath releases around lore drops. An example being like.. dropping silentheart around a massive loredump where you put it together and you find silentheart that way. It's so.. weird.

[@VERGILGASM]

I think the biggest problem is how stationary the game is. Basically, you are just trapped in Eastern Luminant, unable to change anything in a meaningful way. You can't stop the war, you can't free the Lightkeeper Viqh to go to other Luminants, and after all the trouble you go through, you can only fight aimlessly and purposelessly until you wipe.

[@imaginebeinbad6330]

4:45 murmurs in this game seem to act like haki powers but not quite like that. It’s like these abilities that any character or mob can use . Everything in the verse living uses ether alpha sharko using tacet doesn’t break the lore. Lastly sharko using tacet isn’t teleportation. He turns invisible and then sneaks up. You can legit hit him while he uses tacet

[@HailCora]

our goat banned down to layer 2 is the villain from arcane odyssey lore

[@qkamkam]

people complain about the instrument, sound is a frequency, a vibration, the song (the magic) is probably a vibration of ether and not wind. (My "theory" why " because you know, its scientifical)

[@qkamkam]

and also kenith is losing is memory

[@Tizzoe]

The reason why the gaurds don’t attack you when you use shadowcast is that the lord regent doesn’t pay them enough to care

[@Tizzoe]

If you need proof mug a gaurd, they’re broke

[@govnolep]

Silentheart using bells is like Toji using mahoraga

[@ElijahCharles-uf5jb]

The devs remind me of a redditor. The person said if they ever made a book. They would make the same book with 10 diffrent endings that are sold everywhere so everyone debates the real ending. The devs all have their own story and ending.

[@mangor8543]

I think I can explain Silentheart bells, the bell is the result of your heart resonating with your soul aka your body and soul becoming "in tune". if you can still resonate with your soul you could still manipulate the song, same with abilities like ardour scream and the fact that you even have ether in the first place.

[@trace1506]

If i remember correctly, with silent heart you physically DONT have a heart anymore and you're given an artificial one from the dreadstar. An other worldly being that is removed from the song, this is also why when you do an oath break you not only are fucked but in lore you legit DONT have your original heart and only an artificial one that has just been attuned to the song. TLDR: Silent heart works because you technically are dead via heart go bye bye but are also alive removed from the song in its entiery.

[@mr.roblox9858]

Something funny about lore is that the silly thresher spikes has like a paragraph of lore. But the strange claw has like one sentence

[@TombrandyTombrandydaIII-lk6rr]

Kennith was killed by regent himself and regent was so injured he can’t leave his chair

[@palntyboi]

Don’t expect etris to progress, expect the isle of vigils to progress because etris is under a mind veil by someone who wants to be on the losing side of a war to maximize drowning but the vigils aren’t and thus have reason to change and get more advanced

[@samuel4650]

Made a post in the deepwoken sub a while ago exactly avout this. A few things you missed: Where are the other ministry guys (we currently know number 4 (lord regent) number 2 (chaser's master though you only know about him if you search discord) number 1 (the deepwoken, again its only on discord). The justicars, theres literally no lore about them, they just exist No explanation for the magic behind the barrier on castle ligth We dont even see any of the work ligthkeepers (funky guys that stay in the lighthouse) do, and supposedly we need then to cross luminants. Sky statues (this one i think theres a explanation on discord too but idk)

[@dominicballinger6536]

Sky statues? U mean the cities in the heavens that break apart and crumble into stars or the weird ass symbols in the sky all the time?

[@rowen9523]

​@@dominicballinger6536 no theres statues on random ass mountains in the middle of nowhere theres one on a mountain right outside erisia i believe and one near lord regent palace theres prob more idk about.

[@blazeingsonicthegod8417]

@@rowen9523 it was supposed to give a frost mantra

[@xavierharris7123]

I think the light keepers just stand there and ward off the void sea, but I'm not to sure 🤷‍♂

[@lorddeans-]

The races do have good buffs and different things they give you, like how adret will give you the extra points, it helps you level faster than playing another race or how the moth one can be attacked and then see the person who hit them through walls so if they were to try to run or hide it would be pretty hard.

[@lnDomitable1]

I sincerely hope your joking or you need to play the game for another 2 years.

[@lorddeans-]

where's the joke at? I'm not a 600 lbs. no life that sits on Roblox all day but from what I can see the races are all pretty good in different ways, I just pointed out his one-sided pov. and I don't plan on becoming someone who no life Roblox for the next 2 years I play it for enjoyment not to cry about what's there and what's not. just saying you prolly could use some time off of Roblox if you cant see that a glider doesn't make tiran (don't know how to spell it don't have it) the best race in the game. @@lnDomitable1

[@lorddeans-]

@@lnDomitable1 there are literally way better races for example the one with the skull mask that gives buffs to allies or people around you, that could help out way more than gliding down a fkn mountain where theres most likely a zipline right beside you.

[@lnDomitable1]

@@lorddeans- oh my goodness if this skull guy didn't use his race ability I would've died from my hunger. please I beg you put a sock in it and compare these races to their older shit and be amazed. also celtor and khan have the worst one is for ships hp, and khan lets you equip a weapon if you have 3 investment point lower than the requirement. god your mentally deficient.

[@milo-kz1pi]

Thank you for telling me this Rėquäañtøûr

[@aarash6982]

Negro what in the Heretic's Sutra spelling is that

[@TheLadKC]

The simple reason for the technology not changing is that would require a big update every few weeks / ingame years and the shadowcast thing is just because it would be annoying as hell

[@swordlegend3256]

my speculation for silentheart is that you refuse mantras beacouse they "abuse" the song while murmurs use it and bells are extention of it expanding on this is The stench is nauseating. You've died at the hands of those who abuse the Song, thus you strive to strengthen your resolve to overcome them. Yet you cannot do so. They have wronged us as well, long in the past... and we desire the same as you, hateful one. he referes to players with an attunment people who "abuse" the song he also says Your old heart is no more, hateful one. We have exchanged it for one aligned with our ideals, deafened to the chaos of the Song. You are Silent now, hateful one. chaos of the song can be reffered to mantras only or attunments while your bell is the extention of song it merges your song and soul together it isnt chaos of the song

[@Sophrv]

BTW with silentheart, they reject the words of the song (mantras), but still use other applications of the song

[@ruinxd3925]

people are forgetting that the main reason this game got so popular off release was because of the lore. the idea of people being in different factions and how it was a well-made mmo pvp hardcore game was what got people in. thats why all of these anime pvp games die insta like type:soul beacuse theres no story or actual content behind it. thats why deepwoken started and is still continuing to die, because theres no actual content. only pvp.

[@Tr3ndSetter]

Type soul has lore but only the CC version

[@ruinxd3925]

@@Tr3ndSetter the cc version isnt relevant when speaking about general public. also that games dead as fuck

[@YanT141]

I actually love how subtle the lore is given, it’s not forced down your throat cough Genshin. It is the possibility that you might miss the lore that gives the game depth. Being back racism

[@deathlord9329]

It would be cool to see silentheart gets something special in exchange for absolutely not being able to use at all. Which prolly solves the problem of silentheart not being able to use song or somn so instead of getting bell u get special ability or somn.

[@wubblenub2526]

Cap’n Orlando is the Gold Roger of deep

[@Reaconteur]

real asf

[@darkmatter9643]

It’s possible that ever since zi’eer took control of etris he made shadowcast legal again, because based on the events of the stars above and the blade between we can presume that he knows shadowcast magic, and also the ministry tends to use it so there’s no reason for him to keep it outlawed

[@Reaconteur]

they never said anything about it

[@darkmatter9643]

@@Reaconteur well I mean, outside of lore books that take place in the past the illegality of shadowcast is never mentioned so you can presume that it was made legal.

[@grimer_8736]

4:50 I think it says on the wiki that Rogue Constructs were Constructs that were hacked by the Ministry

[@ldonthesticks]

Kennith is in layer 2 because regent is a contractor and whoever a contractor kills goes straight to layer 2. However, i have no idea how he made it to floor 2

[@Reaconteur]

he’s the goat 🐐

[@felipeeywei7533]

there is no reason to know about the lore if they dont make update to world expansion, events, quests, etc

[@DoneThatSeenThat]

Duke is actually better than Kennith, Duke found a loophole, heres why. His bell is Duke’s main source of power, but resonance isn’t tied to how powerful you are as a person. Duke has the most powerful bell in the game, but since that’s not how the depths work he gets scotch-free going to layer 1 instead of layer 2. Kennith really just got skrewed over.

[@S0undlessSh0ckwave]

Whats the hair combo the blazing guy was using in clip 2:41?

[@Reaconteur]

idk sadly

[@TekkaDIS.]

Silentheart only rejects the words of song which are mantras, I'm assuming the bells are notes of the song that require no words as we don't say our bells when we have spell shout, same thing goes for why they can still vent and benefit from ether related talents.

[@dapondboi]

13:08 I'd assume that would be an accomplishment equal to like digging to the earths core in the deepwoken world

[@acemagic2628]

Silentheart one could definitely be explained with the Dreadstar being a similar entity to Yun'Shul

[@acemagic2628]

and Dread being what replaces the song that your body functions off

[@TrickyShinigami]

Keep in mind the only future realistic thing in this game is mecha sharko and that heavy railgun

[@Reaconteur]

real

[@emeraldloverplus394]

It’s more like hollow Earth than a mirrored reality.

[@umnegoqualquerai6635]

Reeason: "The drowned gods just change the game when they think about it... They are gods..."

[@leonfesh]

Ok for Silentheart its actually pretty simple you dont deny the song completaly instead u deny Attunments and mantras, because you dont Spam/Waste the song since Bells dont Spam and brake the song (with brake i mean like the drowning)

[@TheAquer773]

In my opinion the lore is great, but theres like 50 plotholes in it like akira can beat klaris but he cant use his bell on her like what?? To fix the thing about Kennith, Arch said he was JUST strong enough to go to layer 2, the reason why is doesnt die and he keeps forgetting was because of the strange ethrion awakening time doohickey thingymabob (he is nowhere near power of the booty of erisia)

[@nyantacoplayz7493]

Regent still be marinating in his seafood chair

[@Reaconteur]

fr

[@alphadrinksnoodles]

I think I know why silentheart has bells and stuff. In the game ts say's that you reject the words of the song, and I think by words of the song it means mantras but, the lore doesn't back this up correctly.

[@DepthShark]

When you got to the silent heart part, I thought about the first time I got the oath and it being like I became a walking corpse of sorts, with the dread star keeping my body in tact. Replacing the beat of my characters heart with the slow glow of the given markings.

[@MidgIsCool]

for the silentheart one if iirc its not that the shrine stops you from having song it just stops the flow best comparison is blood, blood flows through your body with your heart pumping it with silentheart your song no longer pumps the song throughout you it gets turned off but its still there just not used as for the bell part the bell is a gift of song given to those with their soul its a being stronger then the dreadstar giving you a note of song directly

[@ishyhq]

DW is a game where you’re basically immortal due to all the layers (in lore) but in reality you lose all your progress and restart 💀

[@mi_kii]

What is it with Arch and Rag only releasing little snippets of the lore to the public? Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a giant lore doc and just made stuff up #BOYCOTTCLARIS

[@HARRAWISH]

4:29 i feel like if npcs had exclusive weapons everyone would just cry that its unobtainable

[@xX_One.Above.All_Xx]

For a game that was heralded as s lore heavy, and lore based game back when it was about to come out, they've done fuck all.