REACTING TO HUNTER AVALLONE VS MIKE FROM PA (BIG MEMES)

[@MountSilky252]

Calling Mike a snake is an insult to snakes. They're almost 100% spine

[@joelinbrown9792]

Damn that’s actually a really good burn lmao

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

And even a snake wouldn’t be able to swallow the sheer amount of bullshit mike was putting out there

[@connorthornberg]

They're also adorable little babies and I don't appreciate comparing them to this slimy rat-f*ck. They eat rats.

[@buncha3arrows195]

Hunter is literally the best example of someone who is not a grifter; the dude gave up his big conservative bucks when he moved away from his old positions.

[@TheChosen1inc]

Also to important to remember that he was a teenager when he was making his original videos. So many kids our age had the edgy “anti pc culture” phase because of narrative on the internet and us being impressionable children

[@Aliceisnutty]

He literally took massive losses to follow his moral compass and…. Fuck… it really did hurt to hear Mike preach at him and Hunter looking sad into the camera, an hour in, after he even caught Mike lying with the trump thing. Like. It’s so painful. It’s so so painful to watch. If anything, Mike is the grifter to be h o n e s t

[@Aidan_ODonnell]

exactly! i’ve never understood this argument when it comes to Hunter. it’s so obviously false

[@emmettyoung7603]

i watched hunter religiously when i was an edgy little shit with intense internalized homophobia, eventually i drifted left after realizing that the right isn’t pro personal freedom. i didn’t watch hunter for 4 years, now that he’s on the left i’m starting to enjoy his content

[@PrimeNPC]

@@emmettyoung7603 it's the left that want to restrict personal freedoms. Don't want to have sex with transpeople, you're deemed transphobic. That's fascism

[@Fray2221]

You doxxed him Vaush. Now everyone knows Mike's home address is in Pennsylvania.

[@shineyydesigns7696]

Destroy all of Penn. Its the only way

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Take out Jersey too. Just to be shore.

[@QueenMeego]

why is this so funny

[@stoneman472]

Problem is that we don't know what sewer he lives in

[@nikolademitri731]

They don’t call us “Pennsyltucky” or “the northernmost southern state”, for nothin!!! No, that’s not a joke. But please don’t level us, I have a family, I’m begging you. Just level Mike in Minecraft please.

[@theemacks]

Vaush: “I wanna see a couple minutes of this” Narrator from Spongebob: “2 Hours Later”

[@mattboy5296]

Just like when Vaush himself talked to [REDACTED] and he said he'd just talk for like 10 minutes and ended up going for 2 hours. It's like [REDACTED]'s stupidity, cringeworthy and weasley behavior just keeps you mesmerized and sticking around longer than you intended.

[@catrielmarignaclionti4518]

@@mattboy5296 why redacted from ap cant be said

[@jackpotdadon]

🤣🤣🤣

[@dizehjvegnomis]

mwahaha

[@yoboiboy4182]

@@mattboy5296 who u talking about

[@bryanwilson8652]

Hunters character arc is absolute chadlike. Hunter rad.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Hunter rad and Mike bad for sure

[@henrywoolley3733]

Yessir

[@Ceaseless_Cischarge]

I saw a comment under Dylan Burns video covering this insanity that compared Hunter's character arc to Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender and I am here for it.

[@cosmojenkins3020]

Only 2nd to Zuko 😎

[@Ceaseless_Cischarge]

@Rusty Shackleford YES

[@threadbearr8866]

Mike should save this debate and show it to his therapist. Like really, he should do that. It'd help him.

[@jirojairo90]

Therapist: So, Mike, are those "tiffs" in the room with us now? 😯

[@spicylemon6255]

@@jirojairo90 “They’re in the sewers!!”

[@Jaden-Ring]

Is there an actual answer for what tiffs are? 😂

[@skivers95]

@@Jaden-Ring here in England it's what we call a fight, that or a squabble

[@espenbrathen7156]

@@jirojairo90 I'm dying😭

[@SoSoKayla]

Despite his past positions which were obviously wrong and harmful, as a transgender person I feel like Hunter is more in my corner than Mike from PA. It's all performative rhetoric, gatekeeping, exclusion, and partisan posturing with Mike. I don't trust him for one fucking minute. Hunter is actually genuine and he's demonstrated that he's open to learning and changing through compassion and intellectual honesty.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Same tbh. Mike is such a bad ally. Have you seen the shit where he was making excuses for joe rogan cause he supported bernie? I swear he’s probably got a bunch of casual transphobia and will refuse to take any responsibility for it but I can’t be bothered to dig for it.

[@comerosas]

It really feels like we’re just a talking point or a gotcha for Mike to throw out. I get the feeling he hasn’t covered trans issues much or at all.

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

Hunter put himself in the line of fire for what he believed in, sacrificing a lot of potential money and pissing off his fanbase but also likely deradicalizing a bunch of them. That's an honorable thing that most people on the right and even some on the left wouldn't do. I feel the same way about him as I do someone like Sam Seder or Vaush. Although I don't agree with him on everything I have a lot of respect for him because I know he's doing what he does because he truly believes in it. That's a really important quality for anyone to have.

[@Catterjeeo]

Mike acts and feels like a grifter, hunter sacrificed all of his clout, financial gain and platform to profess liberal ideals, the antithesis to a grifter.

[@Da_Mewster]

Same

[@mycenaeangal9312]

As a trans woman, I would feel much more comfortable in a room with hunter over mike. Mike is a shit ally who’s using my gender identity as a cudgel to attack someone else. Hunter is humble and would be willing to listen. Plus I’d be worried about him coming on to me and being really creepy.

[@ferfiti]

I think creepy is the best way to describe this worm

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

Christ, you're right. This guy'd probably be a "chaser" just to get that idpol cred. Gross...

[@whatsername77alis]

@MycenaeanGal I agree and I Love your profile picture! What's it called?

[@RoffeDH]

Imagine having Mike from PA trying to hit on you,

[@ferfiti]

@@RoffeDH I think I'm gonna throw up

[@thejacobin9406]

Mike argues like a right winger, moving goal posts, no acknowledgement of false points made.

[@mileshill7196]

Which is a valid strategy. Doesn’t look good to people who care about substance, but it’s very good at convincing people who are more prone to following strength.

[@boggeshzahim3713]

He's like Jesse Lee Peterson

[@shis1988]

Tankies are, in the end, another form of right wingers.

[@grandmabutters8502]

He's essentially a right winger with his views too

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

he also does the same macho man bs that right wingers do

[@Vin_Venture896]

Who’s the grifter? Person A, who lost a shit ton of subscribers for his changing political beliefs? Or person B, who admitted on stream that he didn’t want his viewers to engage in praxis because they wouldn’t be viewing his streams?

[@comerosas]

Obviously its person A /s

[@strongbone9471]

Person A. He got that George soros income.

[@strongbone9471]

@Odorless Kingsford person B. He's a sigma who believes in sewer socialism.

[@cato1024]

When did Mike ever say that lol

[@Iloveguitar07]

Person B charity is liberal don't do charity streams

[@flamingogh_]

Someone PLEASE tell hunter he can talk over people. He can do the same thing they are. It's so frustrating to watch his conversations get derailed every time because the other side always guides the conversation in their favor. They do it, you do it too.

[@wea69420]

Eh he'd be better off getting a moderator for his convos. Get enough people trying to talk over each other and it ends up sounding like a Caso Cerrado episode.

[@pavelstaravoitau7106]

I am amazed by his patience with this schmuck. I'd be insulting [redacted] rather quickly.

[@Ruby-yb8kk]

Damn it bobby

[@sphenodon2016]

frankly, Mike is so wrong and so bad faith that I feel like letting him guide the conversation was appropriate. he only guided himself into getting-shit-on-town edit: finished the vid, he did neglect to call Mike out a few times. overall though, I truly think that letting Mike ramble for 5 mins straight would be great for anyone he's arguing with

[@midnightnavigator]

I just wanted Hunter to shush him and tell him he's in timeout, then mute him.

[@ryanwilliams9712]

Jesus Christ. If I was exposed to Mike instead of Vaush and Destiny I probably never would have drifted left

[@IceGoldDev]

TRUE. thank fuck Mike does less fun content in general and is smaller

[@nikolademitri731]

@@rainbowkrampus Yeah, I knew of him, pre-channel in 2018 from listening to the Majority Report everyday, bc he was a somewhat regular caller, and he seemed like an intelligent, good guy. I’m only now becoming acquainted with how he is online, and his show, and whatnot… It’s, um… it’s bad, folks. It’s embarrassing, and kinda sad. I really hope that he never influences audiences with his conception of restorative justice, or his version of “constructing arguments”, for the left’s sake. I’m all for restorative justice, forgiveness, understanding, and just generally really cultivating radical empathy and radical love, between comrades, and frankly just with humanity, and all life in general. These are good things. Problem is that it’s probably not good for Mike to talk about them, because he seems to either not understand these concepts, or he’s just being disingenuous, but either way he’s not the person we want having a big voice on the left, unless he changes ASAP, but, I digress…

[@smackfanxion]

I've been shifting left since I saw StarTrek reruns as a kid but if I caught Mike at any point before taking political positions seriously, it would have been like hitting a 3-5 year pause button on my brain.

[@prettyokandy230]

lol i can't even find mike's channel if i search for it, i find vaush, destiny and hunter debate videos and smt about mike 'maybe finally bedding a lady' and ngl, my life is complete now.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@Ramza The Heretic Found the brainlet.

[@coleknight5335]

Hunter has done more good for moving people left than Mike ever will.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Amen!

[@colt9836]

Hunter and Shoe have both done more for the left than the entire base of the online left combined.

[@coleknight5335]

@@colt9836 Maybe not Shoe, but good effort.

[@colt9836]

@@coleknight5335 Are you serious? Yeah, Shoe pulled so many people to the left. Not LEFTISTS, but left-wing. She's not like John Oliver (who pulled me to be a Socdem) or Sam Seder, but she helped.

[@Hey_Jamie]

Well it _is_ in his name…

[@DoctorMagoo111]

The second hand embarrassment I feel from Mike actually causes me physical harm.

[@nessie7306]

Me too I have paused this video and refuse to continue it for the sake of my physical well being

[@alterego6075]

Totally agree!🤣It's strangely addicting though lol...I pause...then go back...pause...go back

[@saninorochimaru2]

@@alterego6075 masochism defined

[@ScarceCastle2]

Y'all know that subreddit r/cringeworthy? I remember one of the first huge posts on there was [redacted] from [redacted] 'trying to get a girl's attention' Back then I didn't know who the fuck this Michael from Pennsylvania person was, I only knew one thing - *that moment is the definition of cringe.*

[@StopLizard]

Mike is a cognitohazard confirmed.

[@QosmicVoid]

Mike from PA is literally the crying child from the " *YOU'RE CRINGE!* " comic

[@nono-wc4kj]

crying child..

[@Coraltide]

“YOURE A GRIFTER” “No you’re a grifter” “…” 😥😥😥

[@Azrael_Garou]

Not the one unironically still using cringe in their video titles to refer to feminism and LGBTQ people.

[@QosmicVoid]

@@Azrael_Garou also not the one who can argue for them well either or make the left look even remotely good but hey you do you buddy

[@killingfloor70]

Maybe it’s the glasses or fatherly patience but Homeboy Hunter has got Sam Seder energy at times. He’d be an ideal guest if the MR ever wanted to do a segment on leaving the right. And Mike reminds me of me after seven drinks while my cousins are telling me “it’s time to go”

[@Zarastro54]

Hunter even had the “I don’t care” moment with the EXACT same energy that Sam did. Quite incredible.

[@Jefferflakes]

Listening to this is like a form of torture holy shit, Mike is genuinely one of the most confidently incorrect people I have ever seen online, and I watch flat earth videos for fun.

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

You know it’s bad when a flat earther seems like the more reasonable person

[@oobndroobw]

Mike from PA sounds and acts like a Filthy Frank parody of leftists

[@kyoungt14]

Great, now I can’t un-picture this lol

[@drawdrawjessi1593]

LOL 😂

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Mmyyeeeeess

[@chadalpha7983]

It's time to stop!!!!!

[@spicylemon6255]

Expect unfunny

[@magnus_cockstrong]

It's weird how mike from PA is so condescending yet simultaneously so insecure.

[@poisondamage2182]

It's called projection

[@crypt5129]

The two do tend to correlate

[@MysticClaws100]

This debate actually made me mad. The fact that Mike just constantly lies about Hunter after Hunter has had the best growth in the past 2 years of anyone, is the least grifty person on earth and has just been a really nice guy and a great supporter of lgbtq and minority rights recently. I can't believe that anybody would watch that debate and come out of it thinking Mike looked good. He lied about almost everything he said. It's unbelievable

[@Naalders]

Mike never looks good but there are still arguments to he made that Hunter is just a grifter. By the time hunter switched the right was already on the decline, ditching those subs isnt the worst outcome if you consider the posibility that your channel could be taken down. Recently saw his talk with destiny and he does seem to be weary of entering another echochamber, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

[@bibsp3556]

what a weaselly little liar dude

[@dmetriusmarch]

@@Naalders the right was in decline does prove he may be a grifter . Just that ideas started to change culturally

[@Star-pl1xs]

@@dmetriusmarch (i think u meant doesn't)

[@Blacktoothoneil]

@@Naalderscringe ass take, he lost so much money and so many subscribers and opportunities by moving left. If hunter was truly a grifter the safest bet for him would have been to continue doing right wing content and then, if his channel is taken down, join up with some bigger right wing media conglomerate like pragerU, or the daily wire. The reason his channel was starting its decline before he shifted left publicly was because his content was becoming less right wing as he became more liberal in his own private life, therefore his videos would start to shift away from his prior target audience and therefore while he was still publicly right wing, privately left wing, his channel would start to drop off because he stopped making pure right wing content. The grifter move is to shift further right, he did the complete opposite.

[@brendantracey699]

"Im not preaching, I'm giving you an example of restorative justice" You cant make this shit up

[@samuelgaskell6424]

“I, mike from PA, shall be the arbiter of whether you are “”””rehabilitated”””” or not”

[@SCVg2g]

Kid: "Mom, can we get a Jimmy Dore?" Mom: "No - we have a Jimmy Dore at home." The Jimmy Dore at home = Mike From PA

[@stretchscreamers]

😂😂😂

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

Ok, that was funny. He is like a low-grad Jimmy Dore which says something.

[@EddyBombay]

Very good 👏🏾👏🏾

[@hasan7275]

oooooof

[@arendahl3857]

This is possibly the single greatest KZbin comment I've ever seen 🤣

[@Michael-bd8zh]

Hunter has deleted more video views in a month than Mike has had in his entire career.

[@Azrael_Garou]

Deleted his views? He still has plenty of anti-feminism videos for his rightists viewers, though. Plenty of FPH ones as well.

[@angusmarch1066]

@@Azrael_Garou watch the video

[@timm6175]

Vaush: "why would you pick this hill to die on. Its not even a hill, its like a pot hole. Youre dying for a pot hole."

[@Busshhu]

i love this, time stamp please?

[@RaccKing21]

@@Busshhu 28:25

[@Busshhu]

@@RaccKing21 thank you

[@Fin0fLenster]

If Mike actually cares about left advocacy then he needs to stop doing what he does.

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

@@JM-tj5qm He can't even claim "I used to be on the left" because that market is already saturated. Well, maybe he could claim the "I actually used to be on the left for real and didn't just claim it" market.

[@NotoriousLightning]

Or maybe the rest of the left need to stop bullying Mike sso he can gain some confidence.

[@keiranr-m5536]

@@NotoriousLightning then he shouldn't bully everyone else. You play stupid games and you win stupid prizes.

[@Mizar007]

I can't hate redacted from redacted. I just feel sorry for him. This is what happens when you discard reason in favor of blind hatred and egocentrism.

[@KARKAT420]

@@nopbye I mean, they’ve literally got a Pepe profile pic with a clown emoji and a horn emoji. There’s not much to expect from people who put that little effort into bait.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@Honkler Agent 🤡📣 Mm... nope. Garbage video, like everything Shabeero does.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Don't worry, David. I'll hate his disingenuous ass enough for the both of us!

[@moonsalibi]

@@zacheryeckard3051 imagine getting baited by the human equivalent of chum

[@KayLee-lw5iv]

@@moonsalibi imagine imagining Just imagine

[@MrBytorr]

If anyone needs a definition of bad faith, I'll just send them this debate.

[@KalinTheZola]

I'm a real fan. I watch the stream and then I flog myself publicly by listening to it again on the channel.

[@marykateandnoashley]

same

[@dataexpunged93N15]

Gotta give Vaush as many views as possible, I am currently on 18 other accounts watching this video on repeat /s (I would at least if I had the mental capability to listen to things on repeat)

[@KalinTheZola]

@@dataexpunged93N15 God Mike from PA must sound like a screeching echo demon

[@dataexpunged93N15]

@@KalinTheZola doesn’t he always? 😂

[@KalinTheZola]

@@dataexpunged93N15 Imagine that times how ever many videos you have going at one time. Your ears would roblox themselves.

[@yelloweyeball]

"Oh the gates you can keep." a children's book by Mike Seuss from PA.

[@nates9109]

Doxxing ain’t cool

[@stevenwilliams9413]

Fuck. This is definitely one in a series. Green Deal and Right Spam, Hop On Cop, Go Vaush Go, 10 ANTIFA’s Up On Top, the list goes on.

[@yelloweyeball]

@@stevenwilliams9413 Shoe on head's name already sound's like a Dr. Seuss book lol.

[@yelloweyeball]

@@nates9109 Sorry, but I had to do it. I had literally no choice lol.

[@kurainaru]

shoutout Hunter for real. His transition to the left also helped me grow out my libertarian phase

[@SanguineThor]

Lets gooooo Hunter saving souls. GG

[@niko3993]

Yeah, I've grown with him from being Conservative to the left with him. I've never been happier

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

@@niko3993 One thing that seems to come from moving towards the left is that people genuingly feel more happiness. Being on the right comes with lots of bitterness and resentment, even if they pretend that they're actually having fun and are just joking. So, good on you.

[@elchulo8590]

@@Fragenzeichenplatte cope

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

Did Mike from PA start off by confusing Social Democracy and Democratic Socialist? That is an auspicious start

[@hunkystardust2593]

No, he didn't. Social democracy actually did originate as an ideology that advocated a peaceful transition from captialism to socialism through democratic reforms. Few social democrats are socialists these days, however.

[@bobjenkins4925]

@@hunkystardust2593 Yes he did. Definitions morph and change over time. Saying someone isn't x because x used to mean something else is disingenuous.

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

@@winterlilikoi1899 In which case they would be both a socdem and demsoc; people can have more than one ideology

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

@@hunkystardust2593 More than 100 years ago, that was true. When you hear the word "awful," do you assume the speaker is using the contemporary definition (bad) or the original definition (full of awe)? Which do you think M from PA assumes? And why would social democrat be different? It was either: a weak attempt at a gotcha, or M from PA does not know what words mean

[@bobjenkins4925]

@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 Your comment is awful at getting your point across, using the definition from 100+ years ago😁

[@jonathanschmidt7874]

I've never seen a single video from Hunter but in this, he comes off like a gigachad establishing dominance over rat-faced Mike from PA. It's fucking hilarious.

[@Aliceisnutty]

Hunter was probably the only live example of a Sigma Male™️ in the wild since Vaush in this debate.

[@silentj624]

Go watch him! Good stuff.

[@couchman-sw6jy]

Mike is such a weak dude. That video where he shits his pants after creepily touch a woman explains all you really need to know. I’m sure he’s embarrassed about himself.

[@sizskie]

@@couchman-sw6jy Very nice of you to assume he's self aware enough to be embarrassed by what he does and says. He doesn't act like he's embarrassed at all, you know, there's no such thing as a coincidence.

[@emilyhargrave2353]

How is it that I can watch Vaush debate people who literally want me dead for two hours, but I can’t get through any video with Mike from PA in it.

[@PhyreI3ird]

I think it's because with Mike, it literally amounts to nothing. Nothing but his dumbfuck ego, and everything outside of it doesn't actually matter to him, so it's nothing but a bunch of deflections, shifting and pivoting in his refusal to admit any wrongfulness. At least there's something to learn from watching alt-righters in debates. Here it's just depressing af thinking of someone so wrapped up in such an unhealthily sensitive ego. Just... god this was harder to watch than I thought it'd be.

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

Truly incredible how much physic damage mike causes

[@reeseseater12]

Remember that creationist orangutan in Futurama that was debating the Professor about evolution and the Professor countered everything he said and he just kept shifting the goalpost over and over? That creationist orangutan is Mike from PA.

[@Doppioristretto]

Creationist orangutan is a pretty good insult. Might throw it in common conversation

[@sphenodon2016]

the only problem with this comparison is that the creationist orangutan actually came off as charismatic

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@sphenodon2016 And while misguided, clearly had a functioning brain.

[@fy4b230]

I refuse to believe Mike is like this in real life. I’ve had a good amount of friends go down the opiate addiction road and this is how they acted in the height of their addiction. Doing this sober and in his case, I guess for money? Is fucking sad. He needs help, especially if he behaves this way irl. Just hard to believe someone has made it to his 30s or 40s and acts this way.

[@fy4b230]

@Very Sad definitely seems that way with BadBunny or women he likes. I don’t know how he was before the BadBunny episode. It seems the longer his hair gets, the more insufferable and disingenuous he becomes.

[@bibsp3556]

I guarantee he you could staunch him for his potato chips.

[@semimad100]

dude. don't disrespect addicts like that man.

[@stang9806]

Everything mike has done has been to assuage his wounded ego after badbunny ground it into the dirt and it bleeds through in all of his content

[@BalsapphicVinegar]

Ooo I wanna know more cause I saw the two them hanging out pre-COVID.

[@jackpotdadon]

@@BalsapphicVinegar same I want to know more too did they go out or something 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@alvinanis3006]

Dude still hasn't recovered from that

[@henrywoolley3733]

@@jackpotdadon have u seen the couch punching

[@sanders555]

I don't see how anyone tolerates him, much less follows him. All his political beliefs aside, he's abrasive, arrogant, and perpetually struggles to reach the intelligence bar.

[@winetofive1464]

Ah yes, Mike displaying a textbook example of the "die on every hill" strategy.

[@Ceaseless_Cischarge]

He's that next level 'steppin on rakes' meme.

[@winetofive1464]

@@Ceaseless_Cischarge having now finished the video I believe it should be amended to the "Die on every pivot" strategy.

[@Zarastro54]

More like charge into every crater. He makes Petersburg look like a skirmish.

[@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm]

I have absolutely no respect for people like of this. Instead of admitting fault, which they think would make look weak and stupid, they end up looking infinitely more and unworthy of respect.

[@ethanthefrank2973]

The fact that Vaush literally lives RENT FREE in Mikes' head is goddamn priceless

[@kabouterlui5935]

the prophecy

[@SA-mo3hq]

A random woman's shoulder was awkwardly tapped by a screechy TIFF in this debate

[@ryanhodgetts]

“There’s a physical cost to being this slippery” is hilarious lol. Mikey is in the same camp as Dore I feel like.

[@allenwilliams7367]

I feel like Mike is lower than dore. Dore is at least smart enough to get a audience and knows he's bullshiting. Mike can't even accomplish that.

[@smackfanxion]

He's both worse and less worse(can't say 'better' I just can't) at the same time. Dore is less screechy, preachy(if only a little) but unlike Mike, actually has an audience.

[@bibsp3556]

couple eels sliming about in the shit bucket. dont pay em any attention

[@wojakc7745]

Mike makes me physically angry. He is absolutely pathetic, i’d be amazed if he actually thinks he’s respectable or has integrity

[@rickyemiguel]

So many couches will be abused as a result of this.

[@SuperMilkKun]

Mike from PA more like Mike from Loserville upvotes to the left

[@mommybat2941]

It’s weird how mike says I’m making a point stop talking, when he never makes a point. How odd

[@smackfanxion]

Or stops talking...

[@swaerd3264]

how is this Mike from PA guy relevant? Literally the first few words out of his mouth were completely disingenuous, and obviously so. It's insane.

[@PhyreI3ird]

I genuinely think his viewers are just there for a shit show. That's literally the only thing that can make sense of any recurring audience members.

[@crappozappo]

As usual Mike is completely insufferable

[@colt9836]

Hunter's "The Truth About Transgenders" was the *very* first video I watched of Vaush. It's astonishing how far Hunter has progressed.

[@belovedcrypt]

That's crazy. I found out who vaush was from hunter and ended up binging vaush after. I can't imagine what I'd be if I never found him

[@ashkebora7262]

@@belovedcrypt I dunno', man, if you can recognize whining over criticism, it's not THAT hard to move past idiots like Jimmy Door and Quarter Pounder (Quartering?). As soon as they're done expressing their salient points, they just ... keep on going with crap they made up or are _taking_ offense at. When someone whines just as loudly about something they just _imagined_ as true as about things that are _actually_ true, you can rest assured they have terrible, almost absent introspective skills and should be ignored. (at least when doing such a thing on a public platform. In day-to-day convo, people should be allowed to be a _smidge_ flippant, especially if they'll correct themselves when called on it.)

[@pieppy6058]

I have have moved left at the same rate as shoe such that vaush is a natural progression.

[@benh2339]

Holy shit arguing with him really is like fighting off a horde of rats, just batting them off easily one at a time but meanwhile a wave of them keep coming at you from behind every time you turn around biting your ass and getting into all of your nooks and crannies. I hope that makes sense.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

This is beautiful - describes what I'm feeling perfectly. ❤️

[@ant1carry]

I need a Shoeonhead vs Mike debate ASAP. That might actually make his brain melt or something.

[@aguineapig3292]

Alpha Mike would have her blushing and gushing.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@aguineapig3292 More like laughing.

[@captainjules6033]

Imagine Shoe says "hey" Mike immediately blasts all over the bottom of his desk, goes "i was just trying to get your attention", punches a couch, screams "WHATS A TIF GOD PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME" and then he hangs up, and moves to Samoa and is never heard from again

[@ant1carry]

@@captainjules6033 He wouldn't even have to move because at that point some eldritch deity would just end all of existence to put a stop to the cringe.

[@Fluttersniper]

HOLY SHIT Hunter went to TPUSA and shit all over their conspiracy theories?! Vaush is right, Hunter went Super Chad God Super Chad.

[@jamescampbell6728]

Mike: Gets proven wrong Mike: "So, I am right."

[@xAssailantx]

"It's all about your narcissistic injury" - Mike to Hunter Good fucking god the projection!

[@komrookmetmy465]

I don't understand why people watch Mike. He's just a lefty guy angrily yelling with no point most of the time. You could achieve the same effect by playing old videos of that guy yelling at his cats with the USSR anthem playing in the background.

[@GoblinoAlaMode]

Ok, I need to see those old videos of that guy yelling at his cats lmao

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

Honestly, your analogy sounds so much more fun than whatever Mike is doing. He was actually doing fine in one of the panels where Vaush was involved as well but man, is Mike a fucking annoying person. Awful. Awful, awful, awful.

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

Don't hold out on us and link that video.

[@PhyreI3ird]

I think they watch cuz they know it's gonna be awful. There must be some audience out there who just craves _specifically_ political cringe content and this guy gives it in fucking spades apparently.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Yo hunter ended that shit like a boss lmao. The weasel from PA: "What are your views hunter, what are your views?!" Hunter: "idk but their definitely higher than yours bitch" hangs up

[@HumanIsError]

Why does anyone talk to Mike? He’s so aggressively dishonest.

[@Omega420x]

He's good for farming memes lol

[@XephreWolf]

He's either dishonest or delusional. Probably both

[@LyricalDJ]

@@XephreWolf Voting for dishonest. He's so incredibly bad faith here. And frankly it makes my grifter alarms ring because why, if you seriously consider yourself to be on the left (or anywhere near it), would you even contemplate engaging with someone like Hunter in this way? Maybe he isn't a grifter, but it really feels he's not doing anything constructive. For some reason I keep hoping to see for myself what the positive comments on Mike say. But.. nope. Still haven't seen any of it.

[@AutisticTransbian04]

The closest that hunter was to being alt right in a video was probably his pepe or banned from Twitter video, but even then it wasn't really that HE was alt right, it's just that those videos felt like safe spaces for people with bad ideas.

[@smackfanxion]

The closest Hunter get's to being alt-right is having them in his audience. Which WAS a legitimate criticism BEFORE he started purging and moving away.

[@arkham9843]

Aa

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

100% agree. It makes total sense that Hunter ended up with many "alt-right" fans, while not being that himself. He didn't make videos revealing his position on most of these issues. Every fan probably assumed Hunter agreed with them on everything, just based on a couple videos. Rant: Some of one's views can line up with alt-righters, but when I actually looked at Hunter's videos (before this), and I may be wrong, but there weren't many videos on even most of the positions held by alt-righters. Neither agreeing or disagreeing with them, so they just assumed he agreed with the alt-right on literally everything else...even though Hunter only confirmed that either way on a (comparatively) handful of issues. When it comes to politics, not actively disagreeing must be separated from actively agreeing, and when I hear an individual is part of the "alt-right," I assume this individual's views on all the issues have been confirmed, that they actively agree with X, Y, and Z. I also want to add that being ANTI-anything doesn't *automatically* mean you are PRO-anything. And, in order for the label "alt-righter" maintain any meaning, (imo) that requires being PRO-alt-right. Unfortunately, though, everyone thinks of slightly different things when they hear these terms used, in general. :( It's just difficult to separate video content, from how viewers interpret them, and from the fan community that grows around the channel...from any one individual behind the videos. I mean, someone could be a 100% grifter, create expressly alt-right content, but be secretly a leftist! Their personal views and opinions define their personal politics. And just because all their personal public statements online communicate one thing, doesn't *automatically* mean we can safely claim we know all their personal political views. It's pretty safe in general to do that, but not 100%, and damn, do grifters make this more complicated. We just can't trust online content. :( /end rant

[@MarkArandjus]

It's so hard to listen to Mike from PA talk, he tries SO hard to pretend like things aren't getting to him and he's not insecure and he's not constantly miserably bothered by people around him and like it's all just amusing to him and he's having fun and what's worse it that he chooses these pointless hills to die on that would've gained him nothing even if he won. What a pitiful man, I almost feel bad for him.

[@narikobeilschmidt]

hunter used his Dad Voice in this debate

[@spheremode3271]

Chat: Vaush, stop calling people you disagree with abusers. Mike after a few minutes, literally word for word: ...you were the aggressor in this relationship...

[@leoharrison7449]

I honestly have no idea how people can have several hour long conversations with people like mike, I would of made it about 10 minutes before I literally hunted him down with a halberd

[@ohno8569]

😂🤣😂🤦‍♂️ I feel you.

[@dataexpunged93N15]

I said it last upload and I’ll say it again: the layout of the stinger at the beginning is the cutest thing ever and I am HERE for it

[@dizehjvegnomis]

why can't all loading screens aspire to greatness😼

[@dataexpunged93N15]

@@dizehjvegnomis if every single loading screen was the Vaush opening stinger, the world would be a cuter place

[@steelbeans]

Hes literally just failing to gaslight him this whole fucking video

[@guy3480]

Oh god no hunter is doing the "wait wait wait" too... *its infectious*

[@stevenwilliams9413]

It’s got to be a subconscious debate ear-worm, like an immediate pivot before dropping the fucking hammer on somebody lol

[@jizburg]

He should shout "SILENCE!" Instead.

[@Fluttersniper]

Much like the conservatives he claims to be against, Mike from PA is solely concerned with the classic conservative move of Gesturing Vaguely at Imagined Hypocrisy.

[@trashboat5673]

I wish i had hunter's patience holy shit

[@existenceispain4333]

So *Redacted* thought he would out hunter as a grifter, without knowing ANYTHING about him or doing any research? Pathetic

[@smackfanxion]

Are you kidding? Why are you so bad faith? He clearly just read some video titles then innocently over committed to his never ending crusade to successfully purity test someone for all 5 of his fans. ^_

[@VivianKurayami]

Mike genuinely thinks he is that great. Some people will make shit up about their opponent and only after the fact make sure they're right. [Redacted] doesn't even bother with that because he _assumes_ he's right.

[@ExImperialDragon]

Mike's superpower seems to be vacuously talking over his opponent and then claiming that his opponent is interrupting his gish gallop, Jesus Christ. He's such an insufferable, frustrating person to listen to.

[@draconariusking8328]

Hilariously enough I would never have noticed that Mike From PA was trying to act alpha until Vaush and others pointed it out! Just that pathetic

[@ScarceCastle2]

Mike's been deleting negative comments on his video now, but while they were up there, WHOOO boy. They all just felt really sad for Mike. Just sad. The Tragedy of Darth Mike the Cringe.

[@nuergang7278]

21:11 Mike is actually doing the equivalent of missing the punching speedbags and still having them smack him in the face in defiance of the laws of physics

[@LilyWater84]

Mike is that one clip of that dude at an arcade preparing a mega punch at the speed bag, missing and punching the machine

[@alvinanis3006]

Honest question, how unlikeable can Mike get?

[@ferfiti]

He was at Ben Shapiro levels of unlikeability before this, now he has surpassed even Steven Crowder for me. I think he is at Tree of Logic levels of insanity

[@Alex-0597]

Just above "self-combusting from the absolute cringe." But only just.

[@Tavat]

How is Mike from PA even a public figure? He’s so very bad.

[@ross3015]

He's never been a public figure. Don't give him more credit than he deserves.

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

He has less than 7k subs on KZbin, so yeah, thankfully most people stay far away from him.

[@e.d.5766]

Mike is a grifter who still has no friends and that's actually hilarious.

[@mitchatwood5970]

Dude, Mike sounds like a mad conservative ranting, like he literally isn’t arguing a point, he’s just word vomiting (im only 15.5 minutes in)

[@ji3194]

(PUNCHES COUCH Whispers to himself) "what is a tiff?"

[@kayl8258]

Mike genuinely acts like my Best friend's narcissist ex's. Absolute abuser behavior.

[@videotapes9965]

In the immortal words of President Barack Obama I love memes, I love em

[@Naalders]

In the mortal words of President Donald J. Trump Memes love me, they love me.

[@Thebes342]

Some rando: "I don't like milk." MikefromPA: "SO YOU THINK THAT ALL DAIRY PRODUCTS SHOULD CEASE PRODUCTION?????!!!!!!"

[@Ignatius1588]

Watching Vaush laughing along with Vaush while a deranged man says "charity bad" unironically was an absolutely surreal experience. This is why I'm subbed.

[@redfin382]

I wish Hunter would have just called this what it was. Mike is mad that Hunter used to be a republican but now he's not anymore and Hunter still has more of a following than Mike does.

[@VAL9THOU]

Mike's tactic seems to be to lie, distract with a random pivot, and return to the lie in the hopes that everyone forgot that he got caught out

[@enzito_sdf6978]

kinda like hunter lol. i remember watching his conservative shit back when i was a teenager too, it's weird how engrained this shit was in the "geek" or "gamer" culture.

[@Keihzaru]

Mike from PA's approach only works if you don't look like Mike from PA.

[@Coryameta]

Wow Mike can drill to the center of the earth with those pivots!

[@mothman4672]

My son has cancer, and yesterday when the Make-A-Wish company came to visit and ask him what his final wish was, he looked conflicted. The manager for the team leaned over his bed and whispered, “How can we make your dreams come true?” As my nine year old son stared into her eyes, but he soon broke eye contact, overcome with emotion. “I j-just w-want... to make sure I never have to... see Mike from PA, or ever know what a tiff is ever” Obviously, I was confused, as we don’t even live in Pennsylvania. I said to him, “You want to use your last wish on... Mike? You know we probably won’t ever see him and you can go also to Disneyland, right?” And that’s when he bursted into a sob. “But what if Mike is AT Disneyland dad? WHAT IF HE’S ON ‘it’s a small world’? What if it _IS_ a small world after all?” He sobbed harder. I simply couldn’t argue with that. After talking with Mike’s team, he is finally not coming, and my son couldn’t be happier.

[@Iloveguitar07]

This made me laugh

[@mothman4672]

@@Iloveguitar07 Kinda disappointed tho cuz I just realized theres also a “philanthropy is for libs” punchline I could’ve thrown in there somewhere lol

[@Iloveguitar07]

@@mothman4672 mickey mouse is at Disney, a MOUSE, similar to a RAT, which are found in the SEWER! where there's SEWER SOCIALISM!!!

[@OnlyRoke]

Is that an Alternatino reference?

[@knightofsolice1304]

A KZbin recommendation back in 2016 of one of Hunter Avellone's videos is what set me down the alt-right pipeline. Before that video, I was a somewhat happy and unpolitical 13-year-old (I say 'somewhat happy' because I had repressed gender dysphoria). In 2019 I broke free of the influence of Right-wing KZbin. I'm now a progressive Leftist and a Democratic Socialist (At least for now, I'm still new to Leftist ideology). So yeah, you can absolutely go from alt-right Republican to Democrat or Leftist and not be a grifter. Edit: Also holy shit, I haven't seen Hunter in forever. He has not aged well lmfao Edit 2: Damn, I just read up on Hunter Avellone's political shift. This makes me immensely happy tbh.

[@haydenandersen9937]

I've been a fan of hunter consistently for a few years now, and it's nice to see him change alongside me, regardless of the impact on him.

[@Minimum_Volts]

Driving up engagement hopefully by commenting on these old vids idk though

[@neverknowsbest1717]

U associated with Sargon therefore ur bad. "I disagreed with him. I went there to debate him" Well associating just means you know him so technically I'm still right.

[@neverknowsbest1717]

@@winterlilikoi1899 TRU FACTUAL AND MIKE THINKS DESTINY IS A NAZI SO MIKE IS A NAZI CONFIRMED

[@shanemarshall6241]

I didn't think anyone could preform worse than Crowder this quickly

[@killua5518]

it’s still kinda crazy hearing hunter call himself a soc dem, but you love to see it.

[@Brobese]

Milk from [REDACTED]

[@Nuvizzle]

Hunter Avallone has lost more subscribers due to being an authentic person than Mike has ever had in his sad grifting career, and at the end of the day that's what makes Mike so furious.

[@DBXNaato]

As someone who's been part of abusive relationships, Hearing Mike speak is borderline PTSD

[@wonderlandhan9130]

Honestly Hunter is brilliant in using his platform, predominately followed by young conservatives, to place seeds of liberalism in their minds instead of ostracizing them immediately. It’s the lord’s work honestly

[@KuLaydMahn]

"Strike when iron is thot!" -Voosh, 2021 (After correcting himself saying "...anvil is not.")

[@captainjules6033]

followed shortly by "I misspeak all the time you know what I mean"

[@jamilabubakar5811]

Mike from PA is like those Rookie Crushers from One-punch man who go around picking on new heroes (in Hunter's case, New leftists) and an attempt to destroy their reputations to make up for how mediocre they are.

[@crash-ry3eq]

"Charity is bad but did you hear that I raised tons of money for planned parenthood🤓" -Mike from PA

[@navyblue9355]

I love how calmly Hunter obliterates [REDACTED] from [REDACTED]

[@kneau]

Even when vaguely constructive, Mike's focus seems to drift toward his own pedestal; he wants to win or be able to claim he's who made Hunter a winner - more than anyone else, _especially more than Destiny & Vaush._

[@kneau]

Interacting with Mike seems to feed into his own delusions, yet... is it safe to ignore him? Would ignoring him result in introspection or doubling down?