Reacting to iamLucid's Garbage Anti-Evolution Video

What in the Sam Hill is this? Dave is doing a reaction video? How can this be? Well, a number of people had directed me to a really terrible anti-evolution apologetics video made by a channel named "iamLucid". Upon taking a quick glance I decided that it did not merit the effort of a full debunk, but it dawned on me to try a reaction style format, as I knew this would be way lower maintenance, yet still offer an opportunity to expose and debunk. Thus the experiment begins! If you like this video please let me know, and I will do some more in the future! It was quite easy to do.
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[@sophs8548]

"Homo erectus can’t be the ancestor of homo sapiens because they existed simultaneously" wait until you hear about parents and grandparents, my guy

[@turkepic3637]

Wait, your mother didn't immediately die as your head came out of her womb? Preposterous!

[@AGNOSTIC_Incomprehensible666]

His mind will be blown when he finds out that Lauren Boebert is real!

[@antoniopratt1893]

What about em?

[@AGNOSTIC_Incomprehensible666]

@@antoniopratt1893 Grandparents can exist at the same time as parents just like how homo erectus can exist at the same time as homo sapiens. The point is this creationist has no idea what he's talking about but he's talking about it anyway which makes him a dishonest fraud. Why would the the same God that allegedly inspired the Ninth Commandment need so many lying frauds to defend his word??

[@AGNOSTIC_Incomprehensible666]

@@littlered7820 My guy, the Bible was written by primitive, bronze age ignoramuses who thought daytime was at least four days older than the sun and who also were too stupid to figure out the moon wasn't a light source even though you can clearly see shadows on it. Also, YHWH was a stolen Canaanite God and there's no extra-Biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus beyond posthumous hearsay and probable forgeries... buddy.

[@StrawberryVein]

My favorite part is when he says "Darwin was an evil racist monster!" and then later in the video says "Darwin believed in God so he's on our side!" like ok bro you said it not me

[@trombonedude5312]

Surprised he didn't mention that he married his first cousin

[@taborturtle]

I was so dumbfounded by his ignorance that I totally missed it! Good catch!

[@WinVisten]

They're doing the Almighty dirty. He would be ashamed of His students.

[@holz_name]

Darwin died 141 years ego. I wouldn't be surprised if Darwin had some racist tendencies, but he was quite progressive himself. Btw, in his book if Darwin speaks of "races" he meant species.

[@sebbo128]

He constantly tries to have it both ways. Like when he says free will exists because your decisions can't be the pure result of natural processes. Immediately followed by saying nothing can be truly random, you just lack all the minute detail to determine the result of rolling a dice.

[@daltronius]

"guys the baking process doesnt exist, it just is a cake. in agreement with my hypothosis, i put all the materials to "bake" a cake in the oven for 10 seconds and nothing happened. your move "bakers"."

[@Thispl41]

Loll

[@jimjambananaslam3596]

What's the difference between baking a potato in the oven and roasting a potato in the oven?

[@daltronius]

@@jimjambananaslam3596 i dont know where potatoes came in, i was joking bc baking is kinda similar to baking as its a bunch of small changes happening over a period of time due to stimuli, that slowly changes it to something kinda different

[@impulse4079]

@@jimjambananaslam3596temperature

[@Dave83138]

@@jimjambananaslam3596 Roasting uses the same type of all-over, dry heat as baking, but at higher temperatures between 400 and 450° F.

[@matiascruz1270]

You know what I find wild? My mother wasn’t afforded a good education and was raised baptist in the Appalachia foothills. She’s the first to admit she isn’t very clever and her less than stellar schooling didn’t help. But she does something that none of these people ever have: she admits that just because she doesn’t and likely never will understand evolution doesn’t mean it isn’t true. She can’t wrap her mind around it no matter who frames it or how, she admits it makes no damn sense to her and God seems like a simpler answer, but then she also says that she *knows* just because she doesn’t get it doesn’t mean it isn’t real. These people could learn a lot from her and her humility tbh. I don’t understand advanced trig worth a damn but I’m not about to call someone a liar for trying to teach me about integrals

[@kaantax8666]

Based mom

[@yodaedits416]

Your mom is intelligent leaps and bounds, even centuries beyond her years

[@boogie8586]

Your mother seems like a sweet woman, I hope she's in your life for years to come

[@Nidair]

Only a creationist can't understand that you and your grandfather can be alive at the same time.

[@abstractjakobe3151]

Bars

[@Rob2000]

Why are humans special? There are 100's of species of e.g. weaver birds, should they be extinct and one 1 species remain? What a stupid remark from I'mNotLucid

[@0okamino]

If only they would realize that the way they're asking it amounts to "If you and your cousins both came from your ancestors, why are your cousins still around?"

[@letsomethingshine]

@@0okamino "And why do your cousins look more like your grandparents than YOU! Gotcha, guess you are not related to your grandparents!" (lol, "macroevolution" is just lots of microevolutions until breading together is "significantly" difficult enough for us Humans to label them as separate species for our own purposes).

[@Joeysaladslover]

@@letsomethingshine thanks for explaining the jokes in brackets, you’re very cool and fun👍

[@Sound557]

“Evolution is real but only ever happens on much smaller scales” is like saying I believe in inches and yards but not miles.

[@mjjoe76]

I would argue it’s like believing in millimeters and centimeters but not meters because those units of measurement were created as parts of an overall system. But I get your point. 😁

[@achourfreepalestine]

you are right there is basic and darwin evolution which are both diffrent

[@solacedagony1234]

They like to use "micro" and "macro" evolution as a way to weasel out of that.

[@pinguiin]

god did it boom roasted science believers!!! hah!

[@solacedagony1234]

@@pinguiin Got em

[@kingster14444]

Macro evolution is many micro evolutions set to a whole, it's seeing the tree and missing the forest. This is like saying "No I believe that there's a tree, but there's no way that just one little seedling could have made the Amazon Rainforest"

[@markb3786]

there is only evolution. Macro and micro were made up by creationists to cast doubt on evolution

[@v0id_d3m0n]

🎯👌

[@user-wf7pe3zb8q]

Nah.. it's like saying "There's a tree, but there was no seed, so where did the tree come from?..." (It was designed and deposited to start tyhe ball rolling)

[@dbeberman]

which came first the tree or the acorn? 😀

[@thedancingpipestuffer]

I'm so tired of the lucy argument, that they reconstructed something out of nothing.. if we have 50 copies of the same painting but some are missing the top left corner, some the bottom right corner, etc.. we can still line them up by the pieces we got and get the full picture. How is this so hard to comprehend

[@simongiles9749]

Especially if we know that the painting is going to have lateral symmetry.

[@aronvankeulen8547]

i also don't think the lucy argument is valid. however if you just isolate it to "how can we make "reconstructions" based on just teeth or just a jawbone" is valid in another way. if we look at "reconstructions" of by example homo denisovan and gigantopithecus blacki this is a valid argument HOWEVER, this is not the fault of scientists but by science communication through news. most of these reconstructions have the notion "it could possibly have looked like this" and being aware of this changes everything. by example, gigantopithecus blacki's "reconstruction" is based on a hand full of facts: morphological evidence showing they relate to orang utangs, relative size to the jaw and some reference to morphological features that we see in species with a similar jaw. the reconstruction of this species shows a giant orang utang, sometimes posed upright (there is sadly not enough evidence to determine if it was bipedal or quadrapedal) with long red hair (i couldn't find a paper that concludes this by genetic or protein analisys of the remains. it is possible if you have an intact enough dna sample however with the age of these fossils i conclude that it is highly unlikely the evidence is there). this tells me "oh wow cool, i can get how it could look like this" instead of "wow this is how it looked". Complete difference

[@Kruppes_Mule]

It's not. They are willfully remaining ignorant.

[@huzzzer6083]

@@Kruppes_Mule Yeah because that's the only choice they have. If they don't remaing ignorant then they'd be exposed and they'd have to admit that they're wrong! 😱

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

@@huzzzer6083 I think the cat is out of the bag already, or box

[@mjjoe76]

Dave at the start: “I might have fun debunking it”. Dave at the end: exasperated at the stupidity.

[@indecision6326]

Understandable. I can't even watch Hovind because of how painful his work is, so I imagine a guy who repeats DI talking points is at least as painful to someone who's been working hard on discrediting people at the DI.

[@policebear88320]

Imma be real... Watching smart people get disappointed while simultaneously destroying woke or otherwise ideologically driven babbling idiots is easily my TOP guilty pleasure right now.

[@f.u.m.o.5669]

Talking to Creationists is the opposite of fun.

[@xyleblack2545]

​@@f.u.m.o.5669 I the past I always wanted to debate with a religious person because I thought it would be fun and interesting. Then I watched some public debates from America and learned that not all people have the constraints of logic and reason. Now I would be a bit scared to debate a believer (at least in the US).

[@emmahicks6588]

@@xyleblack2545 dont be afraid of those piss ants

[@thekwjiboo]

What really frustrates me is the sheer arrogance of the anti-science crowd. They truly think that they can put in zero effort and spend zero time learning very complicated topics, then pretend like the zero time and effort they've invested somehow makes it so they know more about these subjects than people who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of them. I mean, the narcissism of "my 20 minutes of Google searches beats your 30 years of education and experience" is sickening.

[@aokiji3347]

Without religious scholars science didn’t exist

[@jaylenharris2866]

@@aokiji3347 *cough* Galileo being under house arrest for his whole life by the church *cough*

[@Theproclaimed]

@@aokiji3347 Muslim scholars if anything

[@yoshihammerbro435]

Hm most scholars were religous it's almost like most people back then were religous...

[@uncoiledfish2561]

The dunning Kruger effect.

[@davidbarriuso4707]

Only religious people could point out the fact that Darwin was racist and sexist to try to debunk the theory of evolution, which does not set the moral standards we should abide by. Then go on to ignore the atrocities in holy religious books that are supposed to set our moral standard (which thankfully they don’t)

[@5ld734]

Hi I am a Christian and I’d like to point something out in relation to the Bible, the actions and laws of those in the Old Testament are not considered a moral standard in most denominations, but rather they are descriptions of how things were not guidelines for today. For example avoiding certain foods and not touching blood used to be important to preventing disease, but now it’s less important as there are alternative methods to avoid disease. Another aspect is the horrible actions of people that are described in the Bible, these are not intended to be guidelines, and rather are used in Christian teaching as examples of humans capability of doing evil and that even people who have done evil can continue to do good

[@davidbarriuso4707]

@@5ld734 ok I’ll give you the 10 commandments but what about the things in the bible that god explicitly says are ok. That if a Slave dies after 48 hours of his previous beating the owner must not be subject to punishment.

[@nope19568]

​@@5ld734pretending the genocides and pain didnt happen doesnt negate the pain it's caused, progressive religion irritates me to no end, its like youre trying to get me to wear a nazi uniform by saying "its fine now tho we took out the hating jewish people and the whole genocide thing so you should totally join us :)"

[@werm3169]

​​@5ld734 To say that the Bible does not contain immoral guidelines for morality is simply untrue. There are guidelines that permit slavery. There are guidelines that permit slave owners to beat their slaves. There are commandments to stone people to death for things like being raped. There are acts of cruelty that absolutely were intended to be instructions on how to behave according to moral standards. Have you read the bible in full? I don't say that facetiously or to be snarky. "The Bible only describes heinous acts" is a perspective that, sensibly, can only arise from not having read the instances where heinous acts are, in fact, explicitly _prescribed_ as commands. If you haven't read the bible in totality, I suggest that you do in order to make better-informed assertions about what it says. Perhaps you can better defend its shortcomings if you acknowledge them in the first place.

[@KarldorisLambley]

"he is not dead, i saw him at vegas" now im seeing you and dawkins playing blackjack.

[@Urban-Spaceman]

When that guy at the beginning said “British accents” I nearly dropped my monocle and spat out my Tea. The sheer impudence of the scoundrel! 🧐

[@angryparsnip9363]

Verily! What skullduggerous charlatanery! One was adroitly piffled at such outlandish stereotypery!

[@5374seth]

A broken clock is right twice a day

[@alephzero1984]

@@5374seth wait you're actually right

[@deejaygaming7389]

@@5374sethbutttttttttttt what about digital clocks

[@egechicken]

What a preposterous imbecile scallywag this iamLucid person is 🧐🧐🧐

[@silentcaay]

For the record, the "1 pig's tooth" he was referring to was Nebraska Man. Long story, short: some guy found a tooth, asserted it was a prehistoric human tooth without evidence, scientists said, "Show some proof.", and even though the guy never did, a magazine picked up the story and commissioned an artist to create a drawing of Nebraska Man for their article. It was eventually discovered that the tooth was from a peccary (by scientists, go figure) and that's about the end of it. The entire hoax existed outside of the scientific community so it's completely irrelevant to the topic of human evolution.

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

And the fact that it was debunked at all proves science is not "gods word". These dumbfucks can't comprehend the length of getting a single paper published and peer-reviewed.

[@AndrexOxybox]

I remember a S J Gould essay on this. Hesperopithecus was reassessed, found to be a peccary tooth, and science moved on. That’s how science works. Guild’s piece was called something like “Essay on a pig roast”.

[@rattailcole3376]

To add to your statement, Harold Cook, the discoverer of the tooth, along with the scientific community, derided the London Illustrated Times for publishing the poorly evidenced illustration. And less than five years later, when Cook discovered he made a mistake, he himself made a public retraction to the claim. This was not a hoax. It was a case of mistaken identity that a news organization, without the endorsement of the scientific community, blew out of proportion.

[@heatherkuhn6559]

While he name checks Nebraska Man later in the video when he initially brings up extrapolating a hominin from a tooth, he seems to be talking about Lucy, never mind that the reason we know she's female is that they found her pelvis. Also, ever notice that when creeationists bring up Nebraska Man, they always call it a "pig's tooth." No matter how superficially similar they may be, peccaries aren't pigs. They seem to fill the same niche in the Americas that pigs fill in Africa and Eurasia, but they still aren't pigs.

[@petrfedor1851]

Apparently scientific hoax means newspapers doing shit they always do.

[@hmnhntr]

Accepting "microevolution" but not "macroevolution" is like saying that you believe people can walk, but walking cross-country is impossible.

[@Teqnifii]

Actually, it's more like saying "sure, I believe you can run 500 metres, but you can't run a marathon - there has never been more than five minutes.

[@womp47]

I KNOW! these people dont understand that microevolution and macroevolution are the same evolution. they only accept what they have to, and deny what they can so their fragile beliefs dont fall apart immediately

[@asteroidrules]

It sounds like he seems to think that "extinction event" means literally every lifeform was completely wiped out, rather than it just being a period of time where the extinction rates were higher than normal.

[@MGMarkov]

It is just insane that guys like this read 2 hours in wiki, didn't understand 95% of what they read and now they explain why the people studying the topic their entire life are wrong :)

[@ThorDude]

Its because they either get brainwashed/don't care. People like Kent Hovind and how they argue in debates also don't help.

[@ravimukerji6609]

Thats the thing that always gets me with these kinds of people. Like you really think the countless amount of experts that put time into creating and studying these fields just miraculously missed something a person with literally no experience in the field found?

[@gunmaster604]

😆😂🤣😪😞😒😳🤬 oh look at that🐿

[@Padraigp]

​@ravimukerji6609 I think that often that does happen which is why it's so important to have crossover between feilds but you do still need a basic understanding ...if you have a basic understanding of mathematics you can look at economics and see things which economists might miss. Or if you're a veterinarian you might look at something in human medicine and see something medics have missed. But if you're an astologist you cant look at astronomy and see something they missed. Or like often seems to happen you're a mythologist and you look at history and see things which aren't there. But you might be a radiologist or a geologist and see something historians missed. There is scope for people outside one feild to see something in another feild that isn't easily seen from within a paradigm but you have to at least be able to say the alphabet and just have some very basic understanding of the world as a basis to even attempt to get into any feild. And if you have those basics you can look into any feild you want to ..but without those basics you cant form fundamentals and without fundamentals you cant look at anything with any value. If your base is screwed or malformed everything you look at will become deformed. And unfortunately not everyone is able to develop basic learning because 15percent of us are subnormal intellectually ...and can't even be used as cannon fodder. And because kids are not taught well enough to think or solve problems.

[@AD-dg3zz]

I think it's a logical fallacy called an argument from incredulity. "I don't understand how X works, therefore X doesn't work." Which completely ignores the possibility that the reason X doesn't make sense is entirely a *you* problem.

[@dustinkerman6150]

Funny how many times these people say things like "______ can't just mAgIcAlLy and SpOnTaNeOuSlY occur" and yet the basis for all of their beliefs is things being created magically and spontaneously.

[@mactallica9293]

@@hiken6701 does your brain work?

[@gozerofgozmis4181]

@@hiken6701 ok cry top your wizzzard invisibile man

[@DudeTheMighty]

Their 'logic' is very simple. If it's impossible, only God could have done it. I always thought that was obvious. (It's also obviously false, of course.)

[@Kit_Osix]

​@@DudeTheMighty The disconnect is that what they think of as impossible really isn't. They're making up a point so they can argue with themselves and award themselves the point. It just looks dumb from the outside, which it is because even within their own argument. They're saying magic isn't the answer ( which no one but them was saying anyway) and then providing magic as their answer.

[@jackgallagher4146]

aint called magic if god does it I guess? that gets a new name called miracles where anything is permissable

[@50bottlesofpinklemonade]

"Darwin was a racist and a eugenicist, but also he believed God made the universe, and he must be right"

[@yurifairy2969]

very revealing

[@easymoneysniper9013]

These videos are great I'm glad these people have such huge balls to have the bravado they have because I learn more in your videos than at any point in school because you hold our interest and explain things with confidence

[@excitting9941]

I genuinely don't understand how Iamlucid doesn't understand how there can be an ancestral relationship between two species alive at the same time. That's like saying "how can I be descended from my parents, we're both alive at the same time"

[@OrdinaryEXP]

Creationists were too busy making fun of the long-disproven "March of Progress" illustration.

[@helenr4300]

And if we turn out to be cousins rather than the same branch line of the family tree, it still shows that variations and midpoint exist

[@sam5992]

Cuz he's a fucking moron. He's clinically retarded and been saying dumb shit for years.

[@yawn2274]

"how can dogs come from wolves if there are still wolves"

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

@@OrdinaryEXP not even mentioning the biggest disproven thing being fought, darwinism. Whenever someone tries to disprove evolution its all darwin darwin darwin

[@shiny460]

Some people are saying this is too low hanging fruit, but lucid's video imo is more destructive than the DI/Tour stuff because this is a person who's making content specifically targeted at young people and understands how to reach them. The manner of speech, editing, production, etc are all way more effective at convincing young people than old man Tour yelling at his camera. I hope Dave continues to seek out this type of content to focus on

[@easypete7988]

I agree 100%. I think a lot about this issue of low hanging fruit ie tiny channels with people just incapable of learning basic science, like the dude Scimandan ripped on for trying to measure the temperature of the sun with a hand held infrared thermometer. Clearly no one is watching that dude and thinking huh he's got a point. This guy on the other hand has a massive audience and is a very skilled communicator for the demographic he's targeting. It sort of shocks me, he put so much time in reading the weird anti-science papers, learning some small bits of real (but complex) science, mischaracterize it, and then tries to use that as disproof and evidence for god. If he just read the high school biology text book, he'd know that what he is saying is insane. But he has three motives for not doing that. He feels smarter acting like he understands the basics, while memorizing small bits of complex niche science. Secondly doing it this way defends his faith - something I too don't really care about, but I feel the only rational belief would be in a god that triggered the big bang and nothing more. Thirdly he has a substantial audience. A million subs netting between $300 -$5,000 a month. this isn't even considering the weird merch he is selling, which I imagine is only a part of other money makers. If he suddenly realizes he's wrong, he loses it all. He just becomes a regular, reasonable person. Either his audience realize too, or they are mad that someone isn't reaffirming their beliefs, either way gone. This is absolutely a channel to land some science and logic punches into

[@easypete7988]

Oh we also know he's milking the youtube cow with how pathetically he tip toes around talking about the holocaust because its probably an instant demonetization, I imagine chosen to avoid people making MONEY off talking about one of the most horrendous tragedies of the modern world. This guy is literally shouting "I am committing the sin of greed, and in the process disrespecting the countless victim of said tragedy." when he handles this the way he does. He isn't even trying to hide it. Its so fucking bizarre.

[@coyork15]

Agreed, it was also interesting that he mentioned that New Darwinism is "political" given current climate where many people believe that "politics" is encroaching on everything in their lives.

[@shiny460]

@Easy Pete The "school is lying" angle here is particularly effective. Multiple times he tells his audience to use these arguments against teachers in the classroom, which is particularly bad because a LOT of teachers don't fully understand this material and aren't equipped to handle students spouting DI propaganda at them while they're trying to teach what's in a textbook.

[@swanofnutella4734]

What's good fam, his video was fire. (cynically gesticulates cringe affected urban hand gesture.)

[@shadowofmyfutureself]

Dave. The time, patience, knowledge and energy you put into dissecting idiocy is really important work. Effort well spent Thanks. Refreshing. Everyone should know about this 😊

[@DumbJockQuaterback]

Boomers are on KZbin?

[@Thelongestshrimp]

No, there’s actually an ancient huge ape extrapolated from a giant tooth that looks like an ape tooth, it’s gigantopithacus. It’s super cool you can do that, tho.

[@farkasmactavish]

YES, it was extremely unlikely for the enzymes to develop to turn RNA into DNA. But it only needed to happen ONE TIME.

[@erikblaas5826]

One of my strengths in refuting statements like "it's so unlikely it could never happen" is.... what would the odds have been, one in a million, one in a billion... how many of those things could have been there? I guess about several million times more. So there was more than a million times chance that these kinds of mutations could have happened.

[@sahildeshmukh8053]

​ @erikblaas5826 Actually, it's more. It's not simple multiplication, it's the complement of the event that it NEVER happens. So, in fact, it's much more likely than simply multiplying. If there is a 1 in a million event, and it's rolled a million times, you can't reasonably say it will happen once, though ON AVERAGE it will. The real probability is (a million - 1)^million over (a million)^million, which is an insanely close number to 1.

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@erikblaas5826if it happened, the chance is at least 1.

[@hashtagunderscore3173]

@@sahildeshmukh8053 Well, that depends on how you look at it. If I had a dice with million sides, and it landed on the number "15," I couldn't then say that it was almost impossible for it to land on 15. In other words, you can't look at a result, then retroactively claim that the probability of it happening was low, when in reality, the probability is actually "1."

[@sahildeshmukh8053]

@@hashtagunderscore3173 That's precisely the problem. To complete the analog, the dice is being rolled millions of times across different people or different dice are. That almost guarantees that *something* will happen, even if that feels rare in the moment. So, my point still stands.

[@lovescience9004]

When someone tells it's just a theory, you know there's absolutely no point to argue with that person

[@isaacbruner65]

Exactly, because it shows they don't actually understand what a theory is or how science works. Theories can never be 100% proven, all we can do is come to a consensus on which theory is most likely to be correct based on all the available evidence. Laymen generally confuse a theory with a hypothesis, which is a totally different thing. A theory is an evidence-based explanation for something we observe, a hypothesis is just an educated guess that is meant to guide further research.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

yeah they do not need arguing. they need a lecture

[@CGFillertext]

Unless it’s matpat. Because then, it’s just a theory… a game/film/food/style theory!

[@imaginationave3687]

Simply reply, the Bible is just a book. Same logic.

[@internetidiot4206]

@@CGFillertext But hey, it’s just a theory… *A REALITY THEORY!*

[@turboluck1023]

Do more of these videos dude, I feel like the shorter more direct explanations for the bull hockey helps me understand better.

[@IDraganM]

You have a lot of patience. Thank you for the effort, I am sure some will benefit from this, for me … it is somewhat painful to listen to this even when immediately corrected.

[@WileECoyoteYM]

I was gonna say he seems miss guided and needs better education in this field but once he started talking like an influencer, all my sympathy went out the window.

[@vali69]

Yeah, as someone else said, the video editing and literally everything about the video points to it being targeted at zoomers. And personally, seeing how many believe disgusting stuff like Andrew Tate, it scares me since I bet they'd gobble this up too.

[@prime12602]

His world revolves around one book so… yeah

[@Johan_Lieber_nicht]

I hate that creationists are always just using the word "Darwinism". As if there was no progress outside of Darwins work since the last 150 years in this topic.

[@carnajom8831]

Wait till you hear how old their textbook is 😂 When debating some fundamentalists it’s important to understand certain thought processes. For example “my book is literal truth” explains why they point to those trees and say “see, they think bananas became monkeys and mice gave birth to elephants” they just don’t understand diagrammatic representations

[@alocsx]

Because they can't change the concepts in their book they think that everyone else can't change other concepts from other books

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

@@alocsx A lot of them seem to have a hard time with the idea that someone can be in the position of Darwin in term of science history, and not bee seen by the "followers" as a sort of evolution prophet.

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

@@steveford6022 Not that long, DNA and genetics are quite recent, you and me are likely not going to see all of that, but your grand-children or their own grand-children might.

[@steveford6022]

So darwin didnt know about dna then,he was on the right track tho just not monkeys to human,,i dont think well find out the truth in our life time,like you say,but you never know,if god is real maybe we will find out b4 our kids a grand kids haha,i just cant imagine life begining from a molton rock that somehow gets a magnetic feild and ozone layer,gravity,all the things to suport life,defiently wen no other planet as far as we know, hasnt evolved like us,then for comlicated cells to form and all the things needed for life,amino acids,proteins ect,,i didnt do science but i have read books and watched many vidios,documentreis,on genetics and geogrphics and bioligy,ect,,,and know euff to question others,i do find it facinating.what do you think?

[@pangln]

He turned the comments off on his video because people were calling him out

[@xfreja]

i noticed that 💀💀

[@MrKrewie]

What a surprise...

[@pangln]

@xfreja @MrKrewie it's actually disgusting that he did that since he said some pretty disgusting things about how Darwin should've just gotten over his kid dying cause we're "meant to be tested"

[@MrKrewie]

​@@pangln what can you do, people like this have existed since the beginning of time, nobody worth their salt takes these people serious, im just watching this video to laugh at how hilarious stupid his takes are and after that ill just go about my day and forget that this dude ever existed

[@redmengoals3295]

@@MrKrewiekeep taking your anti depressants

[@DoFliesCallUsWalks]

the original vid had 140 thousand views. this one's got 1 million. At least most people make sense.

[@cherrypopscile3385]

The fact that these people, at this point, have to admit: >Organisms can diversify within a species level >Natural Selection occurs > Human beings have evolved in measurable ways But they STILL insist that Evolution isn't real at any level beyond microevolution is just... Amazing. It also proves how well proven evolution is, because they HAVE to accept so many of these facts

[@schabe6419]

Magical unproofable evolution border cause god made it there to proof our belief fixes everything. I mean these people come up with maybe if Darwin was very very very bad than evolution stops like if kids cannot read the clock they are not going to age. If you think like that arguments against a fish wish to be a dog become totally reasonable.

[@Naptosis]

If you can take one step at a time, eventually you'll walk 1,000 miles. That's why creationists' distinction between 'micro' & 'macro' evolution is dishonest, and doesn't actually exist.

[@angusyang5917]

It shows the power of science, once these people said God created everything, now they claim a god of the gaps.

[@shiny460]

He didn't even attempt to explain why the same process he agrees to couldn't lead to a new species over along period of time. At least Kent Hovind has "kinds" He probably doesn't even realize how big of a problem it is for him. If you asked him to identify the point which evolution stops happening he wouldn't know what you're asking.

[@FR099Y]

@@angusyang5917 God has always been god of the gaps. There was a time when our gaps of knowledge were larger though. :) But they're almost at the point now where they're putting god into gaps that No-one can possibly know. Like "what happened before the universe" Like that makes any sense.

[@johnfitzgerald8879]

Dave saying "I dont't know" is more informative than any single sentence the uttered by iamLucid.

[@helenr4300]

Yes, like saying what is not his speciality, rather than claiming to speak to everything, shows what scientific integrity is about. Rather than someone trying to claim knowledge in every possible area whilst showing a lack of understanding in pretty much everything

[@stylis666]

I am still stuck on the name. I really doubt that the guy is lucid.

[@blanketyblank604]

Dave knows about alot of things but he doesnt know everything.

[@Asterite100]

This is what gets me. People need to know how to say "I don't know" and just not in a dismissive way to get people to go away, in an earnest and humble way. Some people always feel the need to "create" an answer to a question or chime into a discussion that they have no business leading in. It's better to just think for a moment before speaking or commenting and then progress from there. Of course, this assumes one has developed the ability to know that they're out of their depth in the first place. The groundbreaking thing is, you can actually still give your surface-level thoughts (a lot of people still find value in seeing others engaged in healthy discussion), just disclose that you are not very familiar with a topic and speak with an air of humility and self-awareness.

[@helenr4300]

@@Asterite100 and if your faith or other belief means that you must be right then having no answer is somehow a threat to that world view. Ironically what is thought to be the earliest written book that made it into Hebrew scripture and then the Bible is basically a discourse/poetic consideration of 'why do bad things happen to good people?'. In the end the man Job confronts God with the question and just gets told he has not right to know as a mere mortal, and so have to live with the 'don't knows' of life.

[@usm1le]

iamlucid is pretty much saying that we are delusional by being delusional himself and denying factual information just so he can feel better.

[@InkedDoesStuff]

I love how after all this time, Professor Dave still comes back in the comments. Comedy gold, I love it. Love your content, too. Keep it up

[@rovidius2006]

haey Dave ,what's life ? i don't know and i don't care ! it is what it is and we know how it works...!

[@chethanburre6016]

I like how barely educated people, perhaps not even having a degree, much less a Scientific Degree, not working in a Science field, have so much to say about a field of Science & Scientists.

[@nativesun7661]

Exactly

[@heinshaaine8153]

To be honest i love how this guy is a prime example on how science pulls the human race further no matter how much people dont want to accept it. Christians may be screaming and kicking and crying but today they are forced to admit evolution is a thing, the domain they can suff their god in gets progressively smaller. Give it 80 years (30 for Abiogenesis research to be mainstreamly communicated and accepted and 50 for 2 new generations of theists who deny it) and then they will have accepted Abiogenesis. Science drags theism with it like the delusional child trappend in fairy tales it is and at some time they will grow up. Look at germany. Even klarge parts of religious people dont believe in god or heaven or etc.

[@bungiecrimes7247]

Ah sorry. I guess I'm not allowed to question things. What side is anyone on anymore?

[@BlackZar84]

There's a saying "Internet gave a loud voice to way too many idiots!!!"

[@markyishere1]

​@@bungiecrimes7247 Then what you do is question experts in the field.

[@ultimapanzer]

Because my grandfather and I were alive at the same time, lived near each other, and even hunted at the same time, this proves that he couldn’t possibly have been my ancestor.

[@Jgraypatt]

It's just a fancy way of saying "why are there still apes", though I may be giving him too much credit to understand that.

[@ultimapanzer]

@Asylumnus if only creationists were capable of critical thinking…

[@user-hn1yh5cn1u]

Dave you specifically asked if people enjoyed it. Honestly, I did. I am enjoying listening to the talking points and trying to guess your response before you do. Also your responses makes me laugh but I am learning as I go and shoring up my own arguments. I do however acknowledge how painful it is cause ... the talking points are all the same, they never evolve (pardon the pun ) and they always circle back to the same MO- but thanks for the laugh.

[@Rahelios]

This was actually very useful. Thanks Dave😁

[@Dinnye01]

This format is actually pretty nice. I would appreciate you doing this some more. I usually hate reaction videos, because they don't add anything to the original content. THIS, however... is really good.

[@Killbayne]

educational reaction content is good, "reaction" content where people just steal other people's work while adding nothing to it are bad

[@Dinnye01]

@@Killbayne An apt summary.

[@KawaiiiCat]

Ur feedback and opinion was also great.

[@KawaiiiCat]

​@@Killbayne I agree. Omg this goes back to copyrights. Acrually there was a seminar that discussed what copyrights are, by this mean it also discussed things that normally wouldnt think is subjected to the laws and acts of privacy or copyrights. An idea if stolen from its original without giving credit to the person is considered a breach of copyrights and that person can be subjected to a lot of "stuff." There was a case study about a student and his professor. The professor stole the students idea and basically the gist was he made a profit off of it, until that got exposed by the president or the dean of the institution and the professor suffered tremendously. He lost his job, licence, etc. to teach. So this was sad too because the instructor knew what he was doing and the student was a freshman. Really sad case

[@hulkmt]

you should hate reaction videos not only when they add nothing, but also when they just steal videos for profit, like livestreamers, even if they add value to the origial video

[@POLARTTYRTM]

You could call this a "live debunk" where you debunk things on the go, live, without interruptions or editing, without previous preparation for the subject and points at hand,. Livestreams would be very welcome and maybe you could get a lot of superchats and answer interesting questions from the audience and interact live with everyone, it could appeal to a lot of people.

[@helmetongrass1893]

i think it would be doable too since the DI nutcases just parrot the same bullshit repeatedly lol

[@Mark-Wilson]

Could be a really interesting idea!

[@Kim6roSlice]

I second that

[@nathanGC__]

May be a cool concept but that would just be like... some kind of test of his knowledge, while science in general is based on many people's research. So him going all naked into subjects he may or may not know very well wouldn't be very different from what the random flat-earthers do, except he has a lot more chance of being close to right lol And if he could search for answers "live" then it would... probably be really long I think

[@StewPedassle]

It's not a "test of knowledge" when so many of the original assertions are trivial to pare off as pointless or outright debunk when it's a tired argument. Put differently, the responses in the videos are not "Uhm, ackshually" so much as, "That's silly."

[@depression420b]

Found your channel through your flat Earth videos. Stayed for the high quality educational content. Even though I'm from India, your videos have helped a lot in school as i had not understood a lot of concepts properly. Love both types of your videos hope you keep making them ❤️

[@kemasuk]

About him saying that "every part of a house changed" Did the address change? Did the landline phone number change? Did the meters for utilities change serial numbers? I've had dreams where I "knew" I was in my hometown in the dream. There was no doubt that it was potentially anywhere else, but it was (in retrospect) sensationally unrecognizable.

[@midnightmalice4501]

I can't believe I didn't notice this the first time through. Dude spends 30 minutes trying to discredit Darwin, and be like, you shouldn't believe anything he says, but as SOON as he finds a quote that makes it seem like Darwin agrees with his side, he is like SEE. LISTEN TO DARWIN. What a fool.

[@Actually_Zahren]

It's not even a quote where Darwin is agreeing with his side. It's also quote mining at it's finest. Dude even puts up enough of the quote for everyone to see that, but the full quote is as follows: "It is impossible to answer your question briefly; and I am not sure that I could do so, even if I wrote at some length. But I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came, and how it arose. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world. I am, also, induced to defer to a certain extent to the judgment of the many able men who have fully believed in God; but here again I see how poor an argument this is. The safest conclusion seems to me that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect; but man can do his duty." He later goes on to say that he's basically not convinced by any of the arguments people make for the existence of a personal God. It seems that he was, at worst, an agnostic atheist, who was open to a deistic god being a possibility.

[@YenNguyen-mg5ty]

Lucid can't even write proper script 💀

[@fanboyfast6073]

@@YenNguyen-mg5ty*a

[@jonnie106]

When the cherries are ripe...really good cherries can enhance ANY argument from incredulity!

[@jonnie106]

That's the moment when you confirm for a fact that your time has been wasted. Darwin is wrong until he says something (out of context) that supports my argument.

[@Mekchanoid]

Dave is such a legend. Not only has he made an extensive and ever-growing science and maths video-syllabus, he fearlessly goes after science deniers in his spare time.

[@Sp-do6wu]

He didn't debunk anything lol

[@bms77]

@@Sp-do6wu 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. There’s really nothing to debunk.. it’s not like creationists even have a model..

[@50bottlesofpinklemonade]

interesting how this guy admits that he sees crimes simply as something an "evil soul" would do and its justified to punish them because of that

[@davidfl4]

Which if you think about it is the moral equivalent of punishing someone for breathing. After all, if evil is done by evil people just because they’re evil, then evil is their nature and they literally can’t help it

[@firoza8994]

@@davidfl4 Yeah so just let everybody be evil. I know you dont think evil is real but this is just completely stupid.

[@nilssturman5258]

Love the fact that the video you're reacting to has had its comments switched off by the channel owner. 😆

[@marthawolfsen5809]

Darwin was strongly-- STRONGLY-- anti-slavery. He almost got thrown off the Beagle because the captain, Fitzroy, gave a defense of slavery and Darwin argued back. Darwin was also devoted to his wife and children. His life history proves that accepting evolution does not automatically make a bad person.

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

For me it matters none. It doesn't disqualify his science, and we just have to concede to the fact that in those days, the vast majority of humans, no matter where u were from or your racial identity, were racist.

[@hareecionelson5875]

Darwin was racist (he did assume intellegence based on race). There are gradations of racism. Ignorant bigotry is just rude and patronising, which is still bad. Not the same as promoting slavery

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

@@hareecionelson5875 I wouldnt chalk that up to racism as much as poor malformed ideas of the science of human development. Scientifically, he had very little to go on as far as human development: by the consenting scientific commeunity, civilization was marked by industrial development and scientific pursuit/achievements. At that time, the vast majority of blacks were living quite "uncivilizied" exsitences (hence the ease of which the white man assumed them into the slave trade) in africa. The vast amount of villages didnt even have running wate, as it still is). Its easy to assume that kind of existance was very... savage and unintelligent, but that was not the case as now, modern science takes into account the adoption of new technologies and individual abilities to reason as part of what counts to assume intelliegence. Darwin was not racist in the sense of tryiong to assume superiority over other races, I believe it was more an issue of the scientific -pretext he used as his litmus test was inaccurate. That said, he still might have been racist. EVERYONE was racist in that time.

[@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025]

@@wwlittlejOfficial These things aren't mutually exclusive. As you mentioned, virtually everyone was racist back in the day. Darwin was a product of that time. He almost certainly had some racist beliefs. His racism was the product of scientific ignorance and "malformed ideas," but the source of someone's racism doesn't make it not racism. And as H. Nelson mentioned, there are gradations of racism - from unfortunate, ignorant, patriarchal bigotry to like virulent hatred and support of slavery. For the time, Darwin was a racially progressive guy. Also as has been mentioned - it matters 0%. Newton was apparently a huge *sshole, and we know Edison was, that doesn't make their scientific discoveries any less valid or anything. Darwin could have spent every day of his life after publishing Origin of Species publishing racist screeds and screaming bigoted things in his town square and it would zero difference to the accuracy and reality of evolution.

[@HueyFreeman666]

Either way, almost everyone was racist back then. Intentionally or not.

[@loooongneck]

6:03 love how he misquotes it and says “analogy would be a deceitful guide” and not “analogy may be a deceitful guide.” A very subtle change but one which changes the meaning of the statement

[@commiecomrade2644]

Exactly. Details matter. All of the poor grammar. The misquoting. The conflation of different terms. Saying those extinction events were complete 100% extinction. The misinformation about Lucy. The ding dong Dave is debunking is taking his ignorant confusion and building on it thinking its on a strong foundation when it is built on nonsense. Pronouncing peking as "pecking" is just as embarrassing. Ugh. I can't stand charlatans like this guy. Pretending to be privy to insight that is somehow lost on people who have spent decades, lifetimes, generations studying something they only read about online.

[@elampro]

Dave I love how Calm you are when crazy people are really wrong!!!!

[@LilBlakestein]

I love how creationists use the words "Darwinism" and "Evolution" interchangeably. Showcases the extent of their knowledge

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

Re-watch the video

[@Ratciclefan]

Him: "I'm not trying to discredit evolution" Also him: [tries claiming most evolution is fake]

[@Mr_Vosakisen]

Also also him: "and also the guy who came up with the idea was also racist, sexist, ext ect"

[@Ratciclefan]

@@Mr_Vosakisen I'm sure he's one of those people who'd try to justify priests being pedophiles or just claim they're not true Christians

[@Sp-do6wu]

Did you even watch the video?

[@Ratciclefan]

@@Sp-do6wu what do you mean? Of course I did.

[@jmanstiss]

I actually face-palmed when he mentioned Nebraska Man. Trait out of the Kent Hovind playbook. For anyone who doesn't know, a tooth was found in Nebraska that looked like it could have been from an ape, a science magazine/publication wrote an article about it, and some artist made some illustrations of ape men to give the article some flair. It turned out it wasn't an ape tooth, it was a tooth from an extinct peccary (not an actual pig, as they are not native to the Americas). The article was retracted a couple years later. It was never a hoax, just a mistake. It's an example of the scientific process actually working.

[@olivercharles2930]

@I Hate Bud Light Beer "challenging" Spewing out unscientific nonsense is not challenging any consensus, buddy. Also, scientific racism was undoubtedly wrong and plenty of scientists back then thought the same. But even if they didn't, that doesn't mean it didn't make sense at the time. It was still science even if it turned out to be highly immoral and actually false. Ether was once science until it was debunked more than a century ago.

[@kirielbranson4843]

@I Hate Bud Light Beer screaming? Who is screaming? Do you know what screaming sounds like? And challenging the current scientific theories and facts is fine. But if your challenge is proven wrong you don't keep saying the same thing for 40 years. You find something new. And the challenge should be something with a peer reviewed paper. Just throwing something out that doesn't actually address what is being challenged isn't a legitimate challenge.

[@thomaskennedy5728]

@@DaBurger1411 challenging science on basis of pseudoscience taught by your religion is not really a challenge to science

[@fomori2]

@@DaBurger1411 "only to immediately follow that by ridiculing people and screaming at them for challenging the scientific consensus as if we had contradicted the Pope himself or as if we had contradicted an immutable truth. "-- People who dont have evidence to back up their claims, or better yet, continue to say nonsense that has already been shown to be incorrect, DESERVE ridicule. "According to you, science is always adapting and changing to new information and yet we should accept whatever the latest mainstream theory is like a bunch of blind sheep because apparently now it's different"-- If you were educated or intelligent you would know that 'theory' in science doesnt mean "guess" but is the collection of the facts that most represent reality. Secondly, people accept it because there is EVIDENCE backing it up. Just because you are too ignorant to understand how science works and assume people just blindly follow authorities like you do, is not our problem. This isnt even about religion but about not being so stupid you can only function in an indoctrinated environment. What YOU should do is assume all your current sources of information are dubious and look into science from source outside your echo chamber. If you do happen to open your closed mind, you just might realize you have been talking out of your ass this whole time.

[@redvelvet9215]

The same scientific method that calls you “anti science” or “dumb” for being skeptical or asking questions

[@sparkysopinion3223]

I heard my god we got 25 minutes left to go, checks video length seeing i still have an hour and 10 minutes to go, this has got to get even more amazing. In seriousness I am glad that people like you release the content you do, i only passed chemistry because i had perfect family before me. But ive taken enough science, and physics for a semester in college. I understand what you are saying. I know it sucks to keep repeating but im glad that you are able to bring so much to so many. thank you. Oh and fellow atheist here, yea i agree with your claims about atheism, I mean even spellchecker gets it right.

[@aldairmassardi4961]

I love Professor Dave's work!🤗

[@davecardboard9567]

"Survival of the fittest" does NOT mean "survival of the strongest." This is a common anti-science trope and mis-conception: If there is a hole in the ground that is round and two organisms want to live in it, one square and one round, the round organism will "fit" the hole and the square organism will not. This does not imply that round is stronger than square, simply that a round organism "fits" a round hole better than a square organism. Which may (or may not) confer a survival advantage. But if it does, the round organism stands a better change of surviving and breeding, whereas the square organism is more readily eaten by the triangles. A fish "fits" an aquatic environment better than a bird. A bird "fits" an airborne environment better than a fish. A shark could eat a gull. An eagle can eat a fish. Better "fit" does not mean "stronger."

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Another misconception is that evolution is about survival. It isn't. It's about producing fertile offspring. Yet another misconception is that evolution is all about competition. It can be, but as often is about cooperation.

[@godofmath1039]

I learned this in my middle school science class. It's very surprising to me that some individuals still do not understand this

[@painless4785]

To give some leeway - in general language we do poetically/coloquially misuse 'strong/fit'. 'x team is stronger than x team' - that doesn't mean they're talking about strength, they are also referring to 'better at the game at hand'. They also use 'fit' in Britain as a slang. So in some sense, It does make them stronger ;) objective to their environment I guess. I understand your point and agree with it, just steel-manning the other side.

[@Malicious2013]

Yes, precisely so. This is seen in native African individuals with sickle cell. Sickle cell is, rather obviously, bad for the human body. It does a lot of really crappy things and makes our blood function horribly. It also protects against malaria; a disease that's more urgently dangerous. Sickle cell anemia isn't good for us, then, but is less bad than malaria and offers a greater chance of reproduction. Nature doesn't care at all about strong, weak, fit, or unfit. Having an adaptation that suits a creature to its environment also doesn't necessarily mean success. Many critters may have beneficial adaptations but aren't able to pass them along through sheer bad luck. Bad adaptations may get passed along in the same fashion via good luck. They may get weeded out later. Maybe they won't. Natural selection is a general rule, not some stone-clad law.

[@painless4785]

@@Malicious2013 It's one of the mechanisms for evolution, not the only mechanism. luck, isn't one of the mechanisms for evolution though, not one with any explanatory power unless it is explained what the aspects of this luck were - which would then be named a mechanism.

[@Woodeh]

This guy is the living embodiment of having a thought that evolves and you lose your original train of though but you continue anyway

[@anthonyspears928]

This dude's train of thought left the station w/o him.

[@TuriGamer]

hahahaha @@anthonyspears928

[@wedaringu667]

It would be far quicker and more rewarding to just name every logical fallacy used, then rate the need to continue watching the speaker based on how good their sophistry is.

[@andywomack3414]

I've seen so many of these creation debunking videos that I now view them as entertainment. I probably won't watch this all the way through. On my self-validating forays into creation-debunking KZbin I seek fresh-faces. Same with climate change.

[@andywomack3414]

@@wedaringu667 That's been done, a lot. There is a limited amount of material to debunk.

[@daveolafsson2017]

Thank you Dave … Keep going … ❤

[@RomaineRC]

I think a lot of the problems come from how in middle school, concepts are often presented at the only constituents to a theory.

[@JasonSupernerd]

I always love those "It's like winning the lottery!" arguments. Somehow, they seem to forget that people win the lottery all the time. The odds of any individual result are not the same as the odds of getting any result at all. Like Dave said... if you play often enough, and there are enough players, it's pretty much guaranteed someone will win. 😆

[@davechongle]

yea people dont give the law of large numbers the credence it deserves in many instances. in this instance especially.

[@eh9618]

Not to mention, there's always a winning ticket in a lottery game. So if enough people buy the tickets. There will be a winner. It's just highly unlikely to be one person in particular.

[@plexyglass429]

In an infinite universe it's gonna happen

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Yeah, someone always wins the lottery. 😆 That's the whole point lol.

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

The statistical odds of a creature with my exact individual genetic makeup existing are next to nothing. But it would be stupid for me to assume that I do not exist. Xd

[@remy422]

i know this is a low blow but the fact hes wearing a sweatshirt that just says "virgin" is hella funny

[@ctank3234]

Yep

[@mikefoster6018]

Yes, I want that back from him.

[@doomerchemist]

he's a muslim so his probably proud of it :))

[@stuartvickers982]

he really didn't have to spell it out

[@openBalop]

at 1:10:00 he admits to being the first determinist that believes in free will, which is like being the first heliocentrist to think that the earth is at the center of the universe.

[@TVG_Noble]

It’s awesome how Dave still responds to idiots in the comments on years-old videos. Gotta be one for my favorite KZbinrs.

[@GiordanoBruno42]

He is like an English person who declares that Celts, Italians, Germans, Nords and French don't exist anymore because we descended from them.

[@avaggdu1]

Nords? Sorry, bud, we don't live in Skyrim 😄 Sociologically speaking (as that is the only metric you can separate those groups of Homo Sapiens), Celts, Romans, Goths (and Visigoths and Ostrogoths), Vikings (and other Norsemen) and Normans don't exist anymore apart from LARPers. I understand what you're saying but that example is maybe not the killer simile you think it is! No offence intended. Thanks for the laugh.

[@mojobag01]

@@avaggdu1 Goths still exist. You can see them on Thursday nights.

[@eliaskline5649]

​@@avaggdu1to continue nitpicking Vikings isn't a culture or ethnic group but a caste of one ie the Norseman and whatnot

[@avaggdu1]

@@eliaskline5649 If you really want to nitpick, viking is something they did, not who they were - they went viking (i.e. raiding). Its meaning has changed throughout history and by the middle ages generally meant anyone from Scandinavia. You're picking the wrong nits.

[@TheWorkmonkey1]

I mean, Celts, Ancient Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans *don't* exist anymore.

[@kurtkrienke2956]

47:58 he says "matter of effect", and he says it so confidently 😭 this basically sums him up, smug and proud of his self-inflicted ignorance.

[@DocBree13]

Dunning-Kruger in action (I know term is very overused, but it sure applies to him)

[@midlifelab]

@@DocBree13 The icing on the cake being that Mr Lucid, on his website, describes himself as a “researcher”. In his case I think it means “I read something online, so now I’m an expert!”

[@julieblair7472]

the differences are "vest"

[@digammaf7060]

​@@DocBree13 Dunning-Kruger effect is not related to human psychology. The Dunning-Kruger effect is a pattern that arises from correlating a variable with itself.

[@tonytaylor7759]

​@digamma F Then why are the first 3 pages of Google results all about a psychological phenomenon? Are you being a pedantic asshole or do you have a point?

[@ItRemindMeOfHome]

The variety of vestigial and inefficient structures in human anatomy has always been my favorite method of debunking intelligent design, the Vagus Nerve in particular. Were we intelligently designed, the nerve would just go from the brain to the larynx, allowing us to speak. But no, it goes down the throat, around the heart, and back up to the larynx. That is grossly inefficient that any designer would be ashamed of. But that's what we have.

[@Gameplayzr]

The stupid design😂😂😂

[@neildegrassetysonwithaknif7124]

And it's even worse in giraffes, where it extends alllll the way down their neck, around the heart and allllll the way back up their neck, to the brain.

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

1:15:00 This is actually a very good counter-apologist argument, Dave. Apologists love to argue for intelligent design. They assert that something as complex as the universe must have had a designer. So the best counter argument is "What made God?". In theory, God is the most complex thing there is in existence. You cannot simultaneously hold the position that something as complex as God can have come to exist on its own while rejecting that the universe could not have done the same. In fact, I would argue that if a God existed it would be unwise to assume it did not have a designer; considering its purpose is just to create, test, and manage lifeforms. Such a being may be relaying useful data to an advanced species. We run similar tests with mice.

[@l0rf]

They will just go for special pleading. God is the "uncaused first cause" and he would "obviously not need a cause himself"... because they don't care about honesty, they care about being right. Or about being so obnoxiously wrong that the opposition gives up in frustration to do something productive rather than argue with soggy toast left behind the fridge for a month. 😂

[@indoorkangaroo3431]

It’s a bit disconcerting that videos like these are starting to be better produced and edited. Usually the nonsensical stuff looks as bad as it sounds. Keep up the good work professor Dave

[@brettkriewaldt1657]

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.

[@cuddlecakes7153]

Yeah, that's part of their strategy. Make it look good and well produced and people will believe you. Humans are literally made to be like that

[@pavel9652]

It sounds like outsourced by the Discovery Institute to competent producer/channel. The editing and presentation are pretty good, so all they need is a competent science script writer with some expert consultation. We might think why it didn't happen? Perhaps this is exactly what they were supposed to publish.

[@jotarokujo320]

his other videos are good, it's sad

[@TheRealZazaExpert]

@@jotarokujo320 yea he should stay in his lane of professionals then, don't make a biology based video and then start talking about random unrelated bs

[@naterandolph7599]

I love that he acknowledges you can have minor evolutionary changes over 2000 years but not MAJOR changes over millions and billions of years

[@DJPastaYaY]

51:32 Precisely!! Thank you for acknowledging this!

[@Frankz011]

Best thing i've learned here is Life first,, Dna after. That's the importance to know what we are talking about We think we know until we know we don't know And that's why physics, astrophysics, biology, archeology, chemistry etc is so fascinating because there's so much to learn and understand from it.

[@iammrbeat]

I have never seen someone destroy a video so much in my entire life.

[@lexxist]

Mr Beat is a professor Dave fan???!? did not expect this

[@DanBorens]

@@lexxist that’s actually among the most expected things I can think of

[@twizz420]

Guess you haven't been watching Professor Dave for long because he hands out intellectual ass-kickings left and right.

[@Charlie-fu6ep]

mr breast give me money

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

he is reacting to a half hour video lmao

[@davidci]

The amount of people in the comments there going "I can tell you've worked hard on this video! You did a lot of research! This is so well put together!" is more concerning than the video itself

[@LordTails]

And that is why misinformation can be harmful. It leads to a feedback loop which produces wilder stuff.

[@moatef1886]

What are you talking about?

[@zachb9440]

Truly.

[@FlatEarthKiller]

@@moatef1886 iamLucid’s video he is talking about

[@plazid1]

I bet you had you boosters in the name of scenice

[@michaelgum97]

About the crop circles, the reason is weirder than fiction. Wallabies were entering poppy farms that people use to make opioid medicine. The wallabies ate the poppies, got stoned as shit, ran around these crops in circles, passed out, and after a while, they got up and hopped away.

[@Jbweldnzipties]

“How do you get from a whale to a pine tree” made me absolutely fall over laughing 😂 1:50:21

[@l0rf]

He even had the accent down. If he now were to beat his third wife and go to jail for tax fraud, it would be an uncanny match.

[@FR099Y]

I love when they point out all the bad actors in science. Like all the ones that shoehorn their own agenda into their research. They love to parade around and talk about them. But always, ALWAYS, fail to mention that it was science that found out they were lying. That's one of the great things about using science. It's self correcting.

[@DaveGrean]

It certainly wasn't science-deniers who found out the Piltdown skull was a hoax, lmao. It certainly isn't science deniers who write children's science books that invariably mention it as a well-known hoax and explain how exactly it was fake. But he thinks bringing it up is some kind of shocking revelation that scientists don't want you to know about, lmao

[@erinys2]

This is why im uncomfortable with most scientists being religious people Someone needs to keep them in check because i certainly dont trust them to not paint the picture and screw data on the basis of their biasies

[@SideKickStudios]

Creationists logic about speciation be like: "when my mom was born, my grandmother instantly died out, when i was born, my mom instantly died out, we couldn't exist at the same time, if we did, that would disprove ancestry and thus evolution" 😂

[@thatfuzzypotato1877]

Your cousins too, and siblings. Because no common ancestry

[@SideKickStudios]

@@thatfuzzypotato1877 aaah, yes, that too :D

[@OfficialDenzy]

And your aunts, uncle and cousins

[@bredcubed1161]

⁠@@aokiji3347How so? Provide evidence other than „it’s dumb“.

[@squidwardtesticles1039]

@@aokiji3347So your whole argument on if Evolution is real can be boiled down to “nuh huh”

[@xaviourashin2308]

The funny thing is... even though he started the video with "Now before all of the biology majors start "flexing" in the comments down below with their PhDs, classical music and British accents" the original video has it's comments turned off (probably because of sheer number of comments from those biology majors he mentioned at the start of his video that proving his every word wrong)... Love your videos by the way! @ProfessorDaveExplains

[@heplaysbass]

you can tell how skeptic he is of himself when he made that disclaimer, he knew damn well he's gonna get cooked in the comments 😭

[@petervario6248]

I'm grateful that Dave shoulders the burden and the pain so I can just sit back and laugh. Thanks Dave.

[@Redsoxman9991]

“If you owned slaves today you’d be canceled too” I actually laughed out loud😂

[@KaaneDragonShinobi]

Founding Fathers #cancelled

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Every now and then I ponder how I would think if I'd been born on a southern plantation as the child of a wealthy human trafficker. I'd like to think I'd recognize it as evil, but I also acknowledge that if you're born into it and raised being told this is the natural order of things that you may accept it in the same way that people accept other religious claims and have to learn your way out of it.

[@babysquirrelxxoo8136]

@@BaronVonQuiply and in the future they’ll probably see abortion for what it is and wonder how we ever supported it. so who are we to judge.

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

Darwin gets canceled for racism and suddenly the right would love them.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@ParanormalEncyclopedia I periodically encounter someone spreading the "Darwin was a racist and the idea that we're all related to each other and interconnected with all known life leads to racism. Not like my holy book that says there is a chosen group of special people and everyone else is trash" bit and I usually respond by talking about cabbages just as Darwin did 😃 They always have no idea whatsoever what I'm talking about, and I expect that to not change i my lifetime Note that as medical advances extend human lifetimes and the speed of technology remains exponential, there is a hypothetical tipping point where regular mortality stops being a thing. I'm saying even in that scenario, when I'm 4 billion and 12 years old, they'll still be talking about Darwin as if the whole thing was one guy's wild idea and whatever humans have evolved to then will look back at Homo sapiens sapiens Charles Darwin and maintain that he was fully human, "just an ape", and also that despite him not having their additional 4 billion years of adaptation they will insist that 1850s humans and the sci-fi energy-beings are "the same kind" 😛

[@FourByteBurger]

Watch all of Dave's debunking videos in a row,and take a shot every time he says "That's not how science works"

[@Tom-rd8dd]

Moments before Liver failure

[@utentemeet4893]

The ultimate challenge

[@gregorsamsa1364]

Also "pageantry"

[@cindytriffon4942]

Lmao

[@kb9998]

I like his discussion eps much more then watching him trying to debate a grifter.

[@fentconsumer]

iamlucid: "this is what school didnt tell you" also iamlucid: "i slept through most of high school"

[@petroleumalley]

Fun fact: Lucy was named after "Lucy in the sky, with diamonds" of the Beatles.

[@Divinemakyr]

Dave pulling up like an anime villain to casually destroy an entire documentary.

[@MiserableMuon]

It wasn't a documentary, in the first place then.

[@antoniolara9004]

​@@MiserableMuon 😂😂😂 seriously

[@blakksheep736]

@@MiserableMuon this much is true.

[@BlazeSLK]

“Documentary” is kind

[@swanihilator6748]

That ain't a villain, that's a hero.

[@whiskeybuddha1995]

The anti-intellectual movement is so exhausting, I rarely engage. You're doing a yeoman's job Dave, using intelligence and evidence to constantly dispel ignorance. Easily one of my favorite channels on YT.

[@aokiji3347]

The ppl who ignorants are evolutionist imagine having a brain and thinking we evolved from bacteria

[@aokiji3347]

The ppl who ignorants are evolutionist imagine having a brain and thinking we evolved from bacteria

[@AGNOSTIC_Incomprehensible666]

Debunkers are unsung heroes. Bull$#it is not harmless. It always comes at a high price.

[@ploodohplanit8259]

If a voodoo priest wanted to end your life, he/she could if you aren’t protected by a divine being, meaning Yeshua the Christ.

[@AGNOSTIC_Incomprehensible666]

@@ploodohplanit8259 What extra-Biblical evidence is there for the existence of Jesus beyond posthumous hearsay and probable forgeries?

[@ajatajuta]

Hi Dave, I like your takes through science and information based arguments. You have an amazing thinking capability. I just have a question. What’s your source for happiness? What’s the thing that for you creates meaning in life?

[@drg4987]

If you want him to respond to you, you need to write something stupid, otherwise he wont reply.

[@lorscarbonferrite6964]

Whenever I see/hear someone say that absolute determinism precludes free will, I always wonder what exactly they think free will is. Because all that determinism means is that the future conditions of a system are based on the past and present conditions of that system. For a human, that just means that your choices are always going to be based on your current circumstances and your previous experiences. Why should the fact that that choice could theoretically be predicted if someone knew exactly what those circumstances and experiences were mean that the choice you made isn't free? Conversely, consider what the opposite would actually entail: that at any time, there is a chance that your decisions won't be based on your circumstances and experiences. In effect, that some completely random thing will at random times apply a random influence on your choices. Is that really freedom? I don't see how that would be conducive to free will at all, if anything it just seems like random intermittent mind control.

[@UndoFilms]

A perfect example of how production value seems to be more important than actual expertise and competence.

[@haroldramislives]

I cant understand why anyone would be convinced by a guy with a 'meet me at Mcdonalds hair cut who looks like he decided that his gaming channel wasn't getting enough attention so picked up a side hustle.

[@RR_theproahole]

​@@haroldramislives Teenagers, they can be convinced by anyone.

[@dingusmcscrungophd5219]

I recently saw a video of these kids from the 50's or something talking in the classroom and everyone in the comments where so impressed with how 'intelligent' the kids were, they were just talking about regular stuff in a regular way, but with RP English accents. All it takes is a sophisticated sounding accent to convince most people that you're saying something profound. I feel like most people don't actually pay any attention to what's being said, they just side with whoever impresses them the most, be it a cool accent or fancy video skills.

[@stylis666]

And that one can learn to use tools without understanding what makes those tools work. You can teach a monkey to operate a quantum computer. You just can't teach it to be honest or sincere. And in a dishonest and insincere society doing the opposite is very much discouraged. In all societies it's highly discouraged to criticize dishonesty and insincerity and we're not even consistent in that; many smaller groups will insist on honesty and sincerity because it's required to function as social animals because of reliability and the dangers of stress and the ethics that might doesn't make right and the acknowledgement that instead of might, it's diversity that makes us strong.

[@maitele]

​@@haroldramislives The irony of course being that "deciding to pick up an education channel side hustle to supplement their not very successful gaming channel" is literally what catapulted Perun into a genuinely respected public figure in online military discourse. I wonder what the difference between iamLucid and Perun is...

[@DaniZeros]

So... Gish would be very proud of him. He is not galloping. He is jumping all around the place and doing constant backflips. The verbal diarrhea of this dude is impressive. Wow.

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

With that skill, he could won the world mental gymnastic championship 😄

[@memeswithcringe1624]

guy went from “eugenics used survival of the fittest as justification” to “Darwin believed in god and atheists want to convert you”, then jumped to “I don’t like naturalism because no free will”, then somehow made the classic argument that “something cannot come from nothing”, and went back to abiogenesis to say “look at how complex life is, how can molecules just form this” It’s honestly quite impressive.

[@saxojon]

​​@@memeswithcringe1624 you forgot the most important segment: Where he plugged his income stream. "Buy my V-card and hear me babble about eugenics and how evil evolution, and by extension atheism, is." This is just some guy who is grifting dumb people.

[@dschaef91]

I'd love to see a Professor Dave/Miniminuteman collaboration.

[@mannimut1721]

Same

[@KarldorisLambley]

what is the thing on your sofa? like a cushion but with 2 protuberances? and it that the Beatles on your wall? also, i like your green mike spoffle, it makes the vid feel like you're being interviewed by a news reporter.

[@strafer8764]

The great thing about the internet is everyone has a voice. The bad thing about the internet is everyone has a voice. A virtual sea of clutter with a couple of gems here and there

[@brnsnaribm1371]

Knowledge among bullshits

[@danielbroome5690]

Not to mention, vestigial structures don't have to be USELESS, the just need to serve a function that makes their original use obsolete. Such as with whale hip bones. Sure they do SOMETHING, but it sure as hell isn't helping them walk on four legs.

[@king-of-a-thing]

Penguin wings as well, they are flightless birds but their wings are useful for swimming.

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@king-of-a-thingpenguin wings aren’t vestigial, actually! They are specialized for underwater swimming, which resulted in their flightlessness.

[@MrMichealHouse]

​@@lordfelidae4505did the ancestor of penguins have the ability to fly? That's actually curious idea.

[@TheGreatProphecy]

No, because that doesn't exist. @@MrMichealHouse

[@ASleepyGermanGamer]

​@@TheGreatProphecy Did Penguins just spawn in then? 😭

[@michaellawrence2725]

The Cereal box statement might have been my favorite, he really thought he had a slam dunk there😂

[@bms77]

I love it when non-experts claim to know more than experts on any given subject

[@nicco-sixty]

Creationists are the ones thinking life came from nothing

[@nicco-sixty]

@@lukephilbrecht3876 lol, very funny, but tell me were humans created by dust and magic or was the process a bit more involved?

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

I mean it kind of did didnt it? The universe started as a weird clusterfuck of hot gasses and now its zhis

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Im not a creationist btw

[@gozerofgozmis4181]

​@@lukephilbrecht3876steriotype? Is literally written in bible

[@YenNguyen-mg5ty]

@@AM-bm9rs life came from dead, remember: life is just a bunch of chemicals working together to sustain themselves...

[@DaemonVok]

For anthropology not being your field and this being off the top of your head, you did fantastically.

[@GrifGrey]

its not word salad. you just need to read to know some of these words. its ok. people learn at different rates. take your time.

[@GrifGrey]

Sorry. That was extremely passive aggressive. I just get irrationally upset when people just speak how they do, and people call it word salad. Especially when it's understandable and makes sense when you break it down.

[@GrifGrey]

Also, he admits a lack of confidence in his knowledge several times. A politician would never do that.

[@GrifGrey]

Wow, it's 2 AM where I live. I am going to go to bed. I'm just tired of this anti-intellectualism "movement" going on. I'm not an intellectual myself, but to ignore years upon years of people's work for the sake of going against the grain is just absurd.

[@GrifGrey]

@@littlered7820No, I still believe what I said. I was just a bit too harsh about it.

[@th3mon]

Thanks for The Video! I learned something about science from your comment.

[@MihaiManuta]

For the discussion on Pasteur vs Redi... Redi did the experiment (in 1650s, published in 1668 the _Esperienze intorno alla generazione degl'insetti_ ) specifically for maggots and flies, but this did not convince everybody. Some still argued the lower lifeforms like bacteria could be spontaneously generated. Pasteur settled this (in 1850s - 200 years later) by... essentially discovering the pasteurisation process and observing that microbes are not spontaneously generated. It was the final nail in the coffin of something many (Appert, de la Tour, Schwann, de Lamotte) already thought to be unlikely (spontaneous generation).