Professor Dave Humiliates Flat Earther David Weiss (DITRH Debunked Live)

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Professor Dave Explains

Professor Dave Explains

2 жыл бұрын

For months now, hordes of idiots have been lurking in my comments sections, aggressively insisting that I need to debate David Weiss, because he's some kind of flat earth messiah who is undebunkable, and I should cower in the face of his might. Of course I ignored them because he is a two-bit charlatan and who cares what idiots say, but then a channel with almost 700k subscribers asked if I would debate Weiss on his channel, and I figured it might be a good way to pick up a few subscribers, and also humiliate a flat earth icon irreparably in the process. And folks, that's exactly what happened. From the moment he opened his mouth to the moment we left the stream, I took every single word he said and demonstrated in real time how David Weiss is a science illiterate moron that doesn't understand basic concepts learned in elementary school, just like every other pointless flat earth grifter. Anyone who watches this exchange and still refers to him as a credible source of information is in complete denial of reality and hopelessly unreachable. Of course that describes most flat earthers, so I'll see you dummies in the comments section complaining about what a meany mean-pants I am instead of admitting to yourself that you are completely unable to address a single thing I said in this absolutely airtight, relentless destruction of a toxic influence on society. Toodles!
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@ProfessorDaveExplains
@ProfessorDaveExplains Жыл бұрын
Hey you! Yes you there, the thousandth person coming down here in a hissy fit to tell me how mean and nasty and unprofessional I was to that poor, poor, ignorant flat earther. Stop. You have zero perspective on this situation. Weiss is a con man who lies for a living. He knows he's wrong, he just spews a script of lies to make money on the internet. Politeness is a window to gish gallop and spread more lies, and you can clearly see how angry he got when I pinned him on every lie in his script, pressing him to respond to things he knew he couldn't respond to. He does not deserve respect. He does not deserve decency. He deserves annihilation. He deserves public humiliation. His remaining followers are impervious to facts and logic, so the only thing that works is a demonstration of what a sniveling, lying, pathetic little toddler he is. Also, no, he was not polite. The first words out of his mouth were to slander me regarding the content on my channel, and all he did was call me a "dick" every time I proved him wrong. He's a douchebag. And guess what? Even if he wasn't a con man he still should be treated this way, because politeness toward this "issue" would give the illusion of two "opinions" with equal footing. There aren't. The earth is objectively a sphere, as we've known for thousands of years, and anyone who says otherwise is actively calling all of science a lie, and literally all scientists liars. That's insanely offensive. This is how you deal with flat earth con men. Get on board or get out of the way. Got it?
@Music..l0v3r
@Music..l0v3r Жыл бұрын
Exactly this! Well said!
@steak6589
@steak6589 Жыл бұрын
that ain't gone stop them so why try? It's hard writing with a normal pencil, so I use a pointy one, pointy, pointy, pointy, pointy, pointy, point. PU! What's that horrible smell?! DRUM SOLO!!
@samuelehrhardt3732
@samuelehrhardt3732 Жыл бұрын
In my experience it's a lot easier to convince someone of something if I don't refer to them as subhuman vermin. I wholeheartedly believe that this guy deserved everything you gave to him, but I disagree with the general sentiment that politeness toward a person you have a disagreement with gives weight to their argument. You can unwaveringly insist that someone is blatantly wrong about something without insulting them. One more time to be absolutely clear though: Fuck FlatEarthDave
@IndyRegalado
@IndyRegalado Жыл бұрын
You could convince more people if you didn’t interrupt him and literally gaslight him into thinking he’s interrupting and changing subjects when it’s really you who never even acknowledges or understands his “stupid” point of view. You’re debunking what you THInK he’s saying and but it’s not what he’s saying half the time. Your Neil deGrasse Tyson tactics look better on his rude ass, with the actual TACT of patience and understanding the subject he’s trying to insult. Grow up and gain a perspective. You don’t really know Jack till you start acknowledging u don’t know everything about everything and everyOnE. We share this damn egg-shaped planet, and you’re a huge socially crippling, emotionally crippled, toxic douche of a human. Big words. You manipulate people to stoop to your level. Can’t believe I bit. Gross content by a gross soul. Be kind. And get your tech working. Let a poor fool defend himself just once if you’re so certain. Or don’t publish your incompetent attempts.
@davidbarry9690
@davidbarry9690 Жыл бұрын
The earth is round get over it
@AdelphiaaWoW
@AdelphiaaWoW Жыл бұрын
If the Earth was really flat, Flat Earthers would think it was a globe.
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
Yep
@2degucitas
@2degucitas Жыл бұрын
And they'd try to go around it and fall off the edge. I guess. I don't want to think of how the science for that would....... oh hell i have coffee to drink I'm out
@tonyjones7373
@tonyjones7373 Жыл бұрын
Right on . These dicks just don't believe in science or logic . Until , of course they get really ill and then , they rush down to the local hospital , a place full of science and logic . Ignorance isn't bliss Its pathetic .
@stevenswitzer5154
@stevenswitzer5154 Жыл бұрын
I love when flat earthers refer to hemispheres in their arguments
@marvinhensbergen1515
@marvinhensbergen1515 Жыл бұрын
If sciences claimed a flat earth, for sure he would defend a globe. Its all about anti science and government with these conspiracy delusionists
@unbounddead407
@unbounddead407 Жыл бұрын
This guys ability to handle being called stupid and a moron every 3 minutes is astounding
@rakketz5976
@rakketz5976 Жыл бұрын
Well, he's gotta be used to it.
@oronasundial
@oronasundial Жыл бұрын
I think should be illegal for him to be calling anyone else stupid while being a flat earther.
@wtfsalommy3250
@wtfsalommy3250 Жыл бұрын
We like to call them Clout Wessels
@darrendigiacomo6889
@darrendigiacomo6889 Жыл бұрын
He’s heard it many many MANY times before 😂
@1eel99
@1eel99 Жыл бұрын
the fact that he literally knows everything to counter his arguments without notes, yet the other guy was probably running off a script which Dave didn’t see before just shows irrefutably how much more evidence there is for a globe than flat.
@rrbb5687
@rrbb5687 20 күн бұрын
Is the shaun guy secretely the Joker? He maintained that unsettling grin for 1 hour straight.
@awesomeanthonyd123
@awesomeanthonyd123 14 күн бұрын
that's what I was thinking lmao
@jorgeofthejungke7217
@jorgeofthejungke7217 11 күн бұрын
He's an ex drug lord
@user-fg5xs9lh7s
@user-fg5xs9lh7s 8 күн бұрын
Lmao his face must hurt after that. Imagine if he went all in just as a joke and spent the entire time smiling directly at he camera. Would respect it.
@Kaylakaze
@Kaylakaze 7 күн бұрын
I thought the black hole sun had come
@awesomeanthonyd123
@awesomeanthonyd123 7 күн бұрын
@@Kaylakaze AND WASH AWAY THE RAIN 🔥
@lleininger
@lleininger 18 күн бұрын
Shaun looks like he’s very pleased that we’re distracted with flat earth, instead of focusing on lizard people wearing human skinsuits.
@shreyvarad
@shreyvarad 18 күн бұрын
lol
@rodolfovaldes3149
@rodolfovaldes3149 14 күн бұрын
What? My english is too bad but are you joking right?
@chunkystylemusic
@chunkystylemusic 12 күн бұрын
“This guy knows too much…”
@Consumer0001
@Consumer0001 11 күн бұрын
that was a very funny sentence
@marcelomolina1416
@marcelomolina1416 6 күн бұрын
@@rodolfovaldes3149 yeah, he’s just calling Shaun a lizard hahaha
@JohnLemieux
@JohnLemieux 11 ай бұрын
Can’t believe a grown ass adult is asking “where does the sun go at night” level questions and then rejecting the answer
@daltonwade7908
@daltonwade7908 11 ай бұрын
LOL😂
@mohammednabih4216
@mohammednabih4216 11 ай бұрын
Hahahaha
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 11 ай бұрын
It's mindblowing the iq of some people and that they are still able to function, eat, dress themselves, go to the bathroom.
@De4dSp0t
@De4dSp0t 11 ай бұрын
Obviously the sun turns off at night duh. We flip it back on in the morning.
@shrekiscool4743
@shrekiscool4743 11 ай бұрын
​@@De4dSp0tyeah nasa just pushes the sun button
@piece4phil
@piece4phil 2 жыл бұрын
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” - Albert Einstein
@robertlemoine4404
@robertlemoine4404 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard that quote before. Thank you for that. Flat earthers prove that you can't cure stupid.
@howdoeatjerry3975
@howdoeatjerry3975 2 жыл бұрын
Took me a sec to comprehend that and Jesus christ
@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471
@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471 2 жыл бұрын
"The inferno of the wise is the paradise of the cretins". In other words...
@voyager14
@voyager14 2 жыл бұрын
@@derekredgate1982 Matthew 12:36
@emperorgizmo3014
@emperorgizmo3014 2 жыл бұрын
@@derekredgate1982 yup. In fact his followers actively work to make the world worse every day. His savior also prescribes rules for owning slaves, carries out genocide, rape, incest etc.. also gives kids cancer. Hopefully he sees the superiority of secular morality and abandons his cult.
@rickbrockman497
@rickbrockman497 17 күн бұрын
I’m a retired Earth/Space Science teacher. The “they taught flat Earth in the 20s and 30s” makes me crazy. Because of my interests, I collect old science text books. I have texts from the 40s and 60s that teach, and show a spherical Earth. Oh….that’s 1840s and 1860s. So…….
@rickmartin7596
@rickmartin7596 16 күн бұрын
I have an old science book for children (Learning About Our World, Ginn & Co. 1932) speculating that lunar craters might be meteor impacts or the tops of old volcanoes. No mention of flat earth.
@MrChickennugget360
@MrChickennugget360 13 күн бұрын
spherical earth has been understood by the educated since before the Roman Empire. Early Christians such as St. Augustine at one point in a letter said about how some followers though the earth was flat- he was embarrassed by these people- nearly 2,000 years ago.
@Jedbullet29
@Jedbullet29 12 күн бұрын
Me too. We knew because of observations, unlike this idiot grifting flerther
@Grebeny
@Grebeny 11 күн бұрын
Lets go to his argument of ancient greeks believing earth is flat. And even that is incorrect as they managed to even calculate how big Earth is in Cyrene before 2000+ years. They believed the world is rotating around earth, because they had no way to know better, but they were not dump as someone in 21 century...
@MotoGia
@MotoGia 11 күн бұрын
No matter what you believe Weiss is a dick , toxic masculinity bully .. very defensive , if you were more calm I wouldn’t look any further into this but all three look scared and defensive
@mackankung213
@mackankung213 24 күн бұрын
This is something that would be on GTA 5 radio
@bountyhunter8968
@bountyhunter8968 18 күн бұрын
I’m stealing this phrase😂😂😂
@g04tn4d0
@g04tn4d0 9 күн бұрын
Oh... Yeah! You nailed it!
@daarom3472
@daarom3472 8 күн бұрын
maybe a stupid question, but have they ever put a flat earther on a plane and force them to keep flying in 1 direction?
@beetlesstrengthandpower1890
@beetlesstrengthandpower1890 8 күн бұрын
Haha, they should add this to GTA 6!
@ivmcvs6200
@ivmcvs6200 8 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@RipperCyclotron
@RipperCyclotron Жыл бұрын
The most aggressive science lesson I've ever had.
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
Well deserved though
@tassassinater
@tassassinater Жыл бұрын
LOL
@patrickbriggs1883
@patrickbriggs1883 Жыл бұрын
😂
@gfi64
@gfi64 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, imagine Einstein and Newton speaking to each other this way?
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
@@gfi64 DITRH is a con man who lies and disrespects all scientists. He's not on the same level as professor Dave.
@greggarvin2023
@greggarvin2023 2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to win a debate with an intelligent person. It's impossible to win a debate with a dumb person.
@michstr220
@michstr220 2 жыл бұрын
impossible with a moron, how dumb is this guy, i think his channel has comments turned off, i wonder why
@amintimani6034
@amintimani6034 2 жыл бұрын
@@lookingfortruth1930 found the dumb person
@CSpad
@CSpad 2 жыл бұрын
@@lookingfortruth1930 you proved Greg's theory correct...
@lucid_
@lucid_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@lookingfortruth1930 it’s hard to keep your temper when you’re arguing with a moron
@vargo2987
@vargo2987 2 жыл бұрын
@@CSpad 😂
@AleisterCrowleyMagus
@AleisterCrowleyMagus 22 күн бұрын
I’m a retired professor of medieval lit and history, and the person claiming that people in the Middle Ages believed the earth is flat - NO. There are references to the earth as a globe everywhere including The Canterbury Tales and medieval manuscript illustration, which I have seen... Also, the Greeks had already proven the earth is a sphere centuries earlier. The nonsense about the medievals believing in a flat earth was never a “thing” until the 18th and 19th centuries as part of Protestant backlash against Catholicism - they made up nonsense to argue that medieval Catholics were stupid. Sadly there seem to be a few stragglers living in 2024 are now taking all of this seriously. Sad.
@mrburnthorn
@mrburnthorn 19 күн бұрын
Yep
@user-yi4op3yx9o
@user-yi4op3yx9o 19 күн бұрын
They question history. You have much time invested in the study of it. But Google "Olmec heads". Look at them and see how they fit in with the history we are taught of the Americas. Or "Baalbek trilithons". I'm not professor but if you can't see by now that we have been lied to for ever, then your probably fully boosted and still wearing a mask
@tombergins8215
@tombergins8215 18 күн бұрын
How can these flat earthers be so stupid & idiotic? And be sure that their so smart/ This is absolutely astounding
@zhou_sei
@zhou_sei 17 күн бұрын
sadly, i personally know two flat earthers. it seems to be a growing phenomenon (ironic, considering how easy it is to look things up in modern times)
@Non-Doctors-Music
@Non-Doctors-Music 16 күн бұрын
Absolutely. I suspect there are more flat-earth believers today than there were in the Middle Ages and we haven't hit peak stupidity yet!
@Tofflemire5
@Tofflemire5 21 күн бұрын
10 years ago, I thought flat-earthers were an intentional joke. A decade later I think there are actual people who believe this crap.
@chaotix7275
@chaotix7275 9 күн бұрын
Yeah unfortunately. Not much baffles me anymore, except people believing in flath Earth. Its absolutely insane.
@leeroyslikk9834
@leeroyslikk9834 5 күн бұрын
I work with a guy who believes this. Hearing the crap he spews is difficult to stomach.
@aarondavis8943
@aarondavis8943 3 күн бұрын
People are very good at rationalizing and not very good at being rational.
@nubz8733
@nubz8733 8 ай бұрын
I love how his whole argument is basically "I don't understand how physics, astronomy, etc...works so therefore I am right"
@kalabwhite8379
@kalabwhite8379 8 ай бұрын
I don’t understand any of that stuff and professor Dave made complete sense and broke it down so simply (except for a few terms I don’t know the meaning of) that I feel like I could now easily destroy flat earthers.
@mannwazz8132
@mannwazz8132 8 ай бұрын
The part of flat earth Dave trying to explain the seasons I genuinely have no idea what he's talking about. Is he describing the earth's rotation?
@yup6203
@yup6203 7 ай бұрын
I just love how they think the moon and other planets are round but earth is the exception
@CrimsonBraveMaster
@CrimsonBraveMaster 7 ай бұрын
​@@kalabwhite8379 That's the qualities of a good teacher/professor. He knows how to break it down in a way that's easy to understand and comprehend, and he isn't afraid to get a little technical if he needs to.
@CrimsonBraveMaster
@CrimsonBraveMaster 7 ай бұрын
​@@yup6203 I genuinely wonder about that, but if they do think that that's just hysterical 🤣
@floydheth1072
@floydheth1072 7 ай бұрын
I laughed so loud when dave asked him "do you want to adress this thing or do you want to move on to something else" and homie straight face just says "I want to move on to something else"
@Larsgman
@Larsgman 6 ай бұрын
Timestamp: 19:57
@SaintD382
@SaintD382 6 ай бұрын
Admitting his only recourse is to constantly move the goalposts.
@gjesus051
@gjesus051 6 ай бұрын
​@@Chelseageezer34It isn't. If it was, then you would see Polaris in Chile.
@roaldruss4211
@roaldruss4211 6 ай бұрын
​@@Chelseageezer34ladies and gens, behold, a flatearther!
@66bloodmoon
@66bloodmoon 6 ай бұрын
@@roaldruss4211 lol. Sweetheart, that's what you call a short bus candidate.
@crtnn
@crtnn Ай бұрын
The daylight thing at the end was particularly painful. I was in Norway last year, pretty much as far to the equator as possible, and we had like 24 hours of daylight in the summer..
@tonycardone990
@tonycardone990 Жыл бұрын
I'm about 35 minutes into this conversation and I am really glad that the Earth isn't flat because I would have rolled off the edge of it laughing by now
@bybit2554
@bybit2554 Жыл бұрын
Yes now take your booster shot!! Go on!
@andrewwest5344
@andrewwest5344 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@attaboakye8795
@attaboakye8795 Жыл бұрын
Lol, that's funny 😁 😂
@Hrxxiti
@Hrxxiti Жыл бұрын
you forgot about the magic ice wall, my friend😌
@stevehope6283
@stevehope6283 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit!! I'm 6 minutes in and that's funny af!!😂😂😂
@oakkens
@oakkens Ай бұрын
"if the earth is round why doesn't this thing happen" "it does happen" "nuh uh!" -this entire debate
@Merejiah
@Merejiah Ай бұрын
The sad truth of human stupidity
@John_Lee_
@John_Lee_ 23 күн бұрын
the flat earth dummy didn't know about the new moon tides 🤦‍♂️
@schuylerwindham
@schuylerwindham 22 күн бұрын
It was really funny... I've been an astronomy nerd for a long time and it felt satisfying.
@biglu323
@biglu323 22 күн бұрын
And then the guy would sometimes repeat the same question but in different words "how did this thing happen if our world is not flat" And Dave responds with, "I just explained that"
@SloverOfTeuth
@SloverOfTeuth 21 күн бұрын
My favourite is flat earth Dave's insistence on an explanation for the sun orbiting the earth in order for the Eratosthenes experiment to have validity. It's an experiment in and about _geometry,_ and the geometry is valid provided there is relative rotation, regardless of where the centre of rotation is. If you think about it, it's only really once people started understanding gravity and its consequences that they had a way of distinguishing between geocentric and heliocentric models.
@MCO1976
@MCO1976 22 күн бұрын
Serious question. If the photos of the Earth are photoshopped, when was this done? According to FE we didn’t go to the Moon because we didn’t have the technology, but according to them we had amazing CGI and photoshop to make fake photos of the Earth. Which is it? Thanks.
@markellhawthorne2921
@markellhawthorne2921 20 күн бұрын
Photoshop didn't even exist until 1987. 😂😂
@kobiemeggs9333
@kobiemeggs9333 10 күн бұрын
No we landed on the moon
@Nypsie98
@Nypsie98 10 күн бұрын
I would caution against using an argument that conflates the technology used to piece pictures together, to form a composite picture, to the technology that landed us on the moon.
@emz1412
@emz1412 10 күн бұрын
@@Nypsie98 the level of complexity between the two is really not that different when you think about it. The code for the spaceship that took us to the moon was running on a few megabytes of ram and probably didn't even have visual capabilities. Software like Photoshop that is able to convincingly modify images requires so much processing power and coding.
@tn_onyoutube8436
@tn_onyoutube8436 4 күн бұрын
@@Nypsie98And thus you prove you too don’t understand this stuff. Do you have ANY idea how much computer power and code complexity is in Photoshop? It’s not a little man hidden in the screen with some sticky tape! There is a million times more code in Photoshop than was used to get to the moon, which while immensely complicated is mainly about huge amounts of rocket fuel and gravity, and some pretty basic calculations.
@andrewcoxon5214
@andrewcoxon5214 27 күн бұрын
Bono is a Flat Earther, He’s close to The Edge
@coolhand3328
@coolhand3328 11 күн бұрын
😂🤣
@paulmcewen5627
@paulmcewen5627 11 ай бұрын
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
@karlbabst2484
@karlbabst2484 11 ай бұрын
That's a good quote. But in no situation is it right to dismiss someone before you have taken a moment to appreciate their point of view. In this video Dave has a very condescending attitude and sadly, that is what makes him the fool in this video. You can't call someone a moron to his face if you are arguing with them, doesn't matter how flawed their argument is, and Dave does it frequently.
@Alex-cf3he
@Alex-cf3he 11 ай бұрын
You can't reason with these morons so you may as well laugh at them.
@penguin82875
@penguin82875 11 ай бұрын
@@karlbabst2484 false. This method works and it’s absolutely right to use it
@waynegm777
@waynegm777 11 ай бұрын
Hes dead. who cares
@nou2716
@nou2716 11 ай бұрын
@@karlbabst2484 Appreciate what point of view? This guy is literally spouting nonsense about something people spend their entire lives researching. Complete disservice and a joke to the entire idea of astronomy.
@treeified0987
@treeified0987 Жыл бұрын
"people live at the south pole?" "yeah" "prove it" THIS PART REALLY GOT ME
@purplepeopleperson3815
@purplepeopleperson3815 Жыл бұрын
He could literally fly to the South Pole, which would take about 24 hours, and see the people there with his own eyes. In other words, he could have completely disproved himself, aka proved the existence of people in the South Pole, in less than 24 hours from the time this podcast was recorded, then return 48 hours later for part two of this podcast (of a two-part series) in which he would have to admit that he was wrong. IT WOULD TAKE LESS THAN 48 HOURS ROUND TRIP.
@bearoperator5490
@bearoperator5490 Жыл бұрын
@@purplepeopleperson3815 nO He CaNT tHE aiRlINe ComPAniES aRe In oN iT iTS nOt rEaLlY tHe sOutH PolE. Is probably what theyd say lmao
@stephanweinberger
@stephanweinberger Жыл бұрын
@@bearoperator5490 and that's why Dave didn't use the south pole but the southern parts of Argentina as his example. You can just _drive_ there by yourself. Literally _no_ dependency on any third party. There you can experience 17 hour days for yourself. Or you can look to the south to see the Southern Cross, while talking on the phone to your FE buddy in South Africa (only 6 hours ahead) if he can also see it in the south. Heck, for the issue of impossibly long days in the southern summer you don't even have to go that far: the FE model breaks down _noticeably_ far sooner. Days in the south should _always_ be shorter than days in the north, because of simple geometry (larger radius = larger diameter of the sun's path; but still only 24 hours to cover it = sun has to move quicker = days are shorter).
@jeroen9872
@jeroen9872 Жыл бұрын
@@stephanweinberger yeah but you forget that everybodies personal dome has a personal sun. FE explained.
@RikardAndresen
@RikardAndresen Жыл бұрын
@@purplepeopleperson3815 But that takes EFFORT. Flat earthers are LAZY.
@UnemployableScreenWriter
@UnemployableScreenWriter 8 күн бұрын
11:35 "Aristophines figured out the- the-" "Eratosthenes." "Eratosthenes- figured out the the diameter the- the circumference of the Earth with his sticks and shadows-"
@jeanbush8791
@jeanbush8791 27 күн бұрын
If the earth were really flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now.
@sciencecompliance235
@sciencecompliance235 2 күн бұрын
The cats are in on it. They knock things off flat surfaces (that aren't the Earth) specifically to deceive you into this belief. /s
@smeyer6960
@smeyer6960 Күн бұрын
This is 100% accurate ☝️
@jaime_sings_it
@jaime_sings_it 10 сағат бұрын
Brilliant!
@LeonSandoval
@LeonSandoval 2 жыл бұрын
I am astounded that in this modern age we are spending this much time and energy refuting a flat earth.
@DickHolman
@DickHolman 2 жыл бұрын
It's more about exposing scammers.
@stevepopplewell6448
@stevepopplewell6448 2 жыл бұрын
I agree it is sad. Problem is there are many younger people who may be on the fence. If they are swayed back to reality because of stuff like this, I think it’s worth it. Just my opinion, but still you’re not wrong
@erichodge567
@erichodge567 2 жыл бұрын
On one level flat earth seems to be just harmless lunacy, but on another it is very definitely not. Remember, people who believe in absurdities can be convinced to commit atrocities.
@stevepopplewell6448
@stevepopplewell6448 2 жыл бұрын
@@erichodge567 exactly. I draw the line when they push this garbage flat earth stuff on children
@stevepopplewell6448
@stevepopplewell6448 2 жыл бұрын
@@cityslickerchickens5835 the flat earther in this very video is absolutely certain that the earth is flat. Wth do you mean?
@dallas-sucks
@dallas-sucks 8 ай бұрын
Great job calling him out on how he would change topics every time you proved him wrong.
@swivk4917
@swivk4917 8 ай бұрын
Its obvious he had a script xD, and when you try to challenge that script he got flustered.
@CrimsonBraveMaster
@CrimsonBraveMaster 7 ай бұрын
He dances around the topic because he knows he's wrong, it's arguing 101
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 7 ай бұрын
​@@CrimsonBraveMaster Every religious Flat earther's method to morph that into "I'm right, next question"
@southweststrangla9591
@southweststrangla9591 6 ай бұрын
It's very simple method of manipulation if you can't answer question that debunks your logic, you just change topic and bring another point in hope person you are talking to won't have answer, and if they by any chance don't you just call it victory. For most people it would work because most people don't study astrology, but if you are talking to a person that have enough knowledge to debunk every point you make you just try to bring another point until debate is over and you can just say we don't have enough time so he couldn't debunk all my lies therefore there's no winner.
@nathanpuglisi1514
@nathanpuglisi1514 6 ай бұрын
​? Religion doesn't say it's flat
@surfpanther
@surfpanther Ай бұрын
So that bald dude Shawn is just sitting there Like a kid in a candy store watching this debate unfold in front of him.
@scottjackson5835
@scottjackson5835 18 күн бұрын
Can FE Dave explain why Australia doesn't observe the bottom/southern pole of the moon since in the model it shows the moon pass directly over Australia?
@kirayoshikage1491
@kirayoshikage1491 2 жыл бұрын
Easy win, Dave absolutely recked Dave. Dave didn’t stand a chance against Dave’s superior reasoning
@IceCold11235
@IceCold11235 2 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@oneguywon9816
@oneguywon9816 2 жыл бұрын
I love that one moment when Dave went hushmode
@Gouzinstrumentals
@Gouzinstrumentals 2 жыл бұрын
Wait what? ✋️
@CNCmachiningisfun
@CNCmachiningisfun 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It was a Double Dave Destruction Derby!
@norcodaev
@norcodaev 2 жыл бұрын
🎶These are the Daves I know I know, these are the Daves I know…🎶 It’s an old Kids In The Hall song, it’s pretty funny, look it up.
@annmilland421
@annmilland421 11 күн бұрын
Wait untill this guy hears that the world inedeed is a disc but carryed on the back of four elefants and riding through the universe in back of out great turtle 😂
@KemetEG
@KemetEG 4 күн бұрын
Thats Hinduism theory 😂
@TechSword
@TechSword 28 күн бұрын
"Can you explain seasons on a globe?" "The Earth is tilted... Concentration of Sunlight over an area... Can you explain seasons on a Flat Earth?" "No."
@luckyandsharlene1486
@luckyandsharlene1486 27 күн бұрын
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@flatouttruthpodcast
@flatouttruthpodcast 15 күн бұрын
What’s your argument? Flat earthers know exactly how to explain seasons!
@TechSword
@TechSword 15 күн бұрын
@@flatouttruthpodcast What? The Sun, that we all should be able to see 24-hours a day on a flat Earth, oscillares up and down as it goes round the flat Earth every day? But I'll bite, explain away.
@flatouttruthpodcast
@flatouttruthpodcast 14 күн бұрын
@@TechSword Sorry, I ain’t fishin. You can swim away.
@TechSword
@TechSword 13 күн бұрын
@@flatouttruthpodcast Exactly as I said. You have absolutely no explanation for seasons.
@antoniolara9004
@antoniolara9004 Жыл бұрын
"You're not understanding scale " is the most accurate assessment of flat earthers I've ever heard.
@robhat5042
@robhat5042 Жыл бұрын
who is aerostasstathese, I think its the guy that invented large fake breasts, I think flat earthers are the group to piss people off
@paulmurphy5244
@paulmurphy5244 Жыл бұрын
Lol! He was literally trying to suggest that the twin towers would have to get wider and wider the higher they go to stay parallel with one another if the earth is in fact a sphere. So basically, in his mind the earth is a sphere about the size of Manhattan!! 😋
@antoniolara9004
@antoniolara9004 Жыл бұрын
@@paulmurphy5244 🤣🤣🤣 I didn't even put that together yo that's crazy
@johnfitzgerald8879
@johnfitzgerald8879 Жыл бұрын
Yes. And it is the same issue with multiple "conspiracy" theorists. There is a lack of understanding of scale for the size of the Universe, the distance across the Solar System, the age of the Earth, economy, population, government, and on and on. It is one of their defining qualities.
@boobylinks
@boobylinks Жыл бұрын
There are conspiracy theorists and then you have Flat Earthers. They're a whole 'nuther level.
@marcusnewman8639
@marcusnewman8639 Жыл бұрын
The amount of times flat earth dave just instantly changed the subject the second his argument was annihilated is hilarious
@xyleblack2545
@xyleblack2545 11 ай бұрын
I don't really know this guy. Do you think that he knows what he says is nonsense?
@benediktb.1588
@benediktb.1588 11 ай бұрын
thats what they all do xD no matter which flat earther you watch they always change subjects
@aMessIam1
@aMessIam1 11 ай бұрын
Are you here to have a good time why dont you hang out with friends. This is about knowledge. Learn to listen. Dave is obviously a moron. Maybe the flat earth guy is too. But he talks about information, not nooo, no new information..
@marcusnewman8639
@marcusnewman8639 11 ай бұрын
@@kathydoerscher9141 because literally everything he said was wrong?😂
@quadrewplex6782
@quadrewplex6782 11 ай бұрын
​@@xyleblack2545pretty much all the flat earthers with youtube channels know very well that they're full of it. As mentioned in the debate, David Weiss has an app he makes money off of which uses the GPS to track other people with it. In other words, he uses a service that relies on the earth being a sphere for revenue despite denying that the earth is a sphere.
@beekneed
@beekneed 26 күн бұрын
@33:15 "...it's sharpest turn..." The analogy of feeling the force of a year-long 360 degree turn in a car was gold. I'm not a laugh-alouder and I literally LOL'd 😂 (minus the tears).
@leastworstgamer
@leastworstgamer Ай бұрын
"What are you, like, Googling stuff furiously over there?" We're only 7 minutes in and he's already on the ropes 😂
@manoloskolosgr
@manoloskolosgr Жыл бұрын
An actual scientist arguing with a flat earther "scientist" is like an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object
@pargolf3158
@pargolf3158 Жыл бұрын
FYI The earth really is flat, it just identifies as round.
@Jermbot15
@Jermbot15 Жыл бұрын
@@pargolf3158 I was going to make a joke about this being the one joke most people know. But then I remembered the vast amounts of sheep like transphobia that popped up in the Flerf movement around Patricia Steere. Particularly because she wasn't even transgender and... now I've decided your post has layers. Good job!
@beepboop9848
@beepboop9848 Жыл бұрын
@@Jermbot15 what? Ik what the one joke Is but what are you talking about lmao
@Jermbot15
@Jermbot15 Жыл бұрын
@@beepboop9848 Well, the implication is that the Earth is similar to someone with untreated gender dysphoria. So it only appears to be flat to the least informed and most superficial viewing. The idea of the Earth itself telling someone it is round, and them telling the Earth it's wrong because of how it looks is hilarious. Both as commentary on Flat Earth and whatever the medical equivalent is when some uninformed dipshit tries to cite some fact that comes straight from their imaginations about gender dysphoria. That the Patricia Steered conspiracy theory revealed that the Venn diagram of Flat Earthers and transphobes is basically just a circle inside a circle added to my amusement.
@tweekkat7764
@tweekkat7764 Жыл бұрын
This is probably the best representation of the "unstoppable force meeting an immovable object" question I've ever seen
@ronandynan1228
@ronandynan1228 10 ай бұрын
I love the way the most integral pillar of flat earth guy's argument was the word "no"
@miraqen7801
@miraqen7801 10 ай бұрын
We weren't really expecting much when the guy is a flerf...
@shongalitzky9686
@shongalitzky9686 9 ай бұрын
Dave: gives a based explanation That moran: "No!! You don't anderstend! the earth is flat because of an cosmological wind that efect the magnetic power and the curvature of the spiritual Dimond"
@Smile-exe
@Smile-exe 9 ай бұрын
Flat earthers in a nutshell: 'why havent they done or shown this' *gets shown that* 'no'
@pokmanl9810
@pokmanl9810 9 ай бұрын
@@Smile-exeDenial is the best proof.
@rezokar
@rezokar 9 ай бұрын
​@@pokmanl9810 "Did you murder this guy? We have video evidence of you doing it." "No, I didn't." "Ah okay you're free to go! Denying is all the proof we need."
@TechSword
@TechSword 28 күн бұрын
Professor Dave destroys Flat Earther's position. Flat Earther: I want to move on.
@AdamMGTF
@AdamMGTF 7 күн бұрын
I desperately want to see this sort of 'debate' where the mediator actually did their job. It would be incredibly entertaining and not just because we could watch the science denier fail and fail and fail again.
@mrzion-ls6li
@mrzion-ls6li 9 ай бұрын
this guy is actually helping prove himself wrong every time he speaks
@mrzion-ls6li
@mrzion-ls6li 9 ай бұрын
flat earther dave. it's just sad
@66bloodmoon
@66bloodmoon 9 ай бұрын
@@mrzion-ls6li flat earth dave is a turd.
@incredible_timmy_horton1726
@incredible_timmy_horton1726 9 ай бұрын
@@mrzion-ls6li dave farina is a douchebag though lol, dont like him in "debates"
@brandonr8269
@brandonr8269 9 ай бұрын
Remember when your parents taught you not to lie - that when you lie, you have to keep telling more lies to cover the first lie and so on? FlatEarthDave had shitty parents, clearly.
@zaphhood4745
@zaphhood4745 8 ай бұрын
lol
@wizzerd229
@wizzerd229 2 жыл бұрын
This guy avoids questions better than Kent hovind.
@bettercalldelta
@bettercalldelta 2 жыл бұрын
tbh unlike Kent Hovind, this guy at least had some respect for Dave to not interrupt him every 2 seconds.
@lagodifuoco313
@lagodifuoco313 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody does that better than Kant B. Humanoid.
@Jimmy_Blake
@Jimmy_Blake 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t prepared for that.
@chrisrobey4755
@chrisrobey4755 2 жыл бұрын
You're missing the point completely.
@zaymennemyaz8407
@zaymennemyaz8407 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 he does!! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣
@martinpp95
@martinpp95 8 күн бұрын
57:11 HAHAHAHAHAHA, to debunk seasons, he told us that at sunset sunlight doesnt hit as direct. Truly a genius at work. Seriusly, he doesnt realize that "tilting" earth on that axis is called rotation and causes day and night, making the sunlight not hit as direct during sunrise and sunset. I can't ...
@Jimschrbr
@Jimschrbr 15 күн бұрын
Remember, when we were kids, and there was this magazine called "Mad" magazine? They used to have a little snippit in there called "Spy vs. Spy" where the spy who thought he was so smart was always getting annihilated by the other spy, usually using the other guy's weapons against him. This reminds me of that. Dave vs. Dave 😳
@Lexi2019AURORA
@Lexi2019AURORA 15 күн бұрын
Lol 🤣
@iforgot3405
@iforgot3405 Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of any of these guys before, but Shaun looks like an absolute supervillan.
@cygnustsp
@cygnustsp Жыл бұрын
It’s like he was on something
@bigchiefsmackaho387
@bigchiefsmackaho387 Жыл бұрын
he kind of is lol
@KianWdx
@KianWdx Жыл бұрын
hahaha you should listen to his TED Talk video, you aren't far off
@lemur6871
@lemur6871 Жыл бұрын
He looked so happy during the whole thing
@crazygaming6006
@crazygaming6006 Жыл бұрын
True lol
@nadervnetnet6428
@nadervnetnet6428 Жыл бұрын
"Spectroscopy needs to be in a container." - Flat Earth Dave
@huzzzer6083
@huzzzer6083 Жыл бұрын
That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
@davidosullivan9817
@davidosullivan9817 Жыл бұрын
@@huzzzer6083 saying all stars move with you was more stupid (different video) but not by much 😂
@juub5171
@juub5171 Жыл бұрын
@@davidosullivan9817 stars do move....they orbit around their galaxies supermassive blackhole...
@davidosullivan9817
@davidosullivan9817 Жыл бұрын
@@juub5171 no he said stars move with you as you move, is in if you move 10 meters left so do all the stars
@huzzzer6083
@huzzzer6083 Жыл бұрын
@@davidosullivan9817 Yeah I specifically said "one of" because there's literally a library of things to choose from when it comes to flerfers.
@adanomic949
@adanomic949 26 күн бұрын
Debates like this in the future absolutely need both people to have a whiteboard so they can try to show what they're describing. I'm pretty confident at this point that Flat Earth is entirely based on people misunderstanding the geometry of spheres at different scale
@vdub2014
@vdub2014 27 күн бұрын
I come back to this "debate" every couple weeks... to laugh.
@hasindukumara5358
@hasindukumara5358 7 күн бұрын
Same.
@dragonsfire07
@dragonsfire07 8 ай бұрын
"So centuries of brilliant astronomers vs. nuh uh" still one of the quotes of all time, and its funny how this flawlessly summarizes their disc-brained points
@Stitch-Squad2216
@Stitch-Squad2216 8 ай бұрын
Haha good luck with that!
@RyoCanCan
@RyoCanCan 8 ай бұрын
And one of Weiss' biggest ''owns'' is that ''well, so geocentrism was wrong, how is heliocentrism not wrong'' just based on how science evolves. He can't fathom information being updated to reflect reality.
@theglutton100
@theglutton100 7 ай бұрын
Tycho Brahe was a geocentrist and arguably one of the most brilliant and gifted astronomers of the last century. I guess none of you people here are even aware of his model and observations but hey its all good just keep on believing you are an intelligent person…..
@dragonsfire07
@dragonsfire07 7 ай бұрын
@@theglutton100 the globe I bought at a science museum:
@nog137
@nog137 7 ай бұрын
@@theglutton100 you should look up the model you brought up. it's been debunked for centuries
@nicolinamaria
@nicolinamaria 5 ай бұрын
Only one sentence sticks to my mind the entire video: "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person" - Bill Murray.
@imaginegettingthat.99slopp7
@imaginegettingthat.99slopp7 5 ай бұрын
not win but convince because winning is just being right which a flat earther is clearly not
@truthhandlers3000
@truthhandlers3000 5 ай бұрын
Since when has science ever won an argument with religion? Religious people cannot be convinced by science due to beliefs blinded by faith. Flat earth people are the same.
@taminapiwocki3423
@taminapiwocki3423 5 ай бұрын
Bill Murray? I think he was quoting someone else. But, eh- maybe im wrong.
@KW-ws3vl
@KW-ws3vl 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for quoting a comedian/actor I feel so smart now, do you?
@hor80
@hor80 5 ай бұрын
@user-lp3sm4cd9c you mean conman and grifter weiss? how do you treat liars and conmen?
@Gas_Station_Tampons
@Gas_Station_Tampons 29 күн бұрын
This whole debate : - Here is math and science. People do it, and replicate it every day. We can do it together! - Nuh uh, thats stupid. I dont believe that and I dont like that, but this next point here...
@sabokudasai5905
@sabokudasai5905 9 күн бұрын
you forgot: Here is math and science. YOU MORON. :) hahaha
@eastgorteau
@eastgorteau Ай бұрын
Saw someone promoting flatearthdave’s website in my town today. Idk what’s sadder: the idea that he’s presumably still going or the fact that he still has followers. (I live in the UK.)
@alexanderingraham8255
@alexanderingraham8255 15 күн бұрын
It’s the followers. Kent Hovind has proven there is no end to the grifting grifter’s grift. They feel no shame, so beat-downs like this don’t affect them. Their followers don’t even have the profit incentive to spout their nonsense.
@Milkinporsche
@Milkinporsche 13 күн бұрын
The whole debate is basically an adult spoon feed basic 3rd grade science to an infant.
@DarthOblivious7891
@DarthOblivious7891 13 күн бұрын
Precisely.
@hits509
@hits509 5 ай бұрын
Flat earther play book: ask simple question about science, completely ignore the answer provided, change subject and act like you won
@johnqpublic7608
@johnqpublic7608 5 ай бұрын
a perfect synopsis.
@Katy_Jones
@Katy_Jones 5 ай бұрын
And then ask the same "question" again claiming you are just looking for Da Troof.
@chixhilub81
@chixhilub81 5 ай бұрын
BULLSEYE
@37rainman
@37rainman 5 ай бұрын
Conspiracy nitwits always ask questions which they never do intend to be answered. It is their way of "trying to get you to think" 😅 The "Dunning Krueger Effect" comes to mind "Why didn't tneTowers fall over sideways" (when the planes hit them) You will not get a word in edgewise in reply to the question
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, you got it 😂
@Laughtrackk_
@Laughtrackk_ 7 ай бұрын
God I wish I had the confidence of a flat earther
@rainman9100
@rainman9100 7 ай бұрын
@Laughtrackk_ You know what's so funny, you asked the right person, but you didn't realize it yourself.
@kerry8977
@kerry8977 7 ай бұрын
easy, drink alcohol
@lewyfranklin7036
@lewyfranklin7036 7 ай бұрын
It’s 1000% flat
@michaelawford7325
@michaelawford7325 7 ай бұрын
But you’d have to forfeit intelligence 😂😂😂
@ZerglingLover
@ZerglingLover 7 ай бұрын
@@lewyfranklin7036why can we see the earth curve, then?
@theukeconomist6518
@theukeconomist6518 9 күн бұрын
Important message. Please stay in school and gain a formal education in order to avoid embarrassing yourself like the flat earther in this debate. 🌎
@steven71288
@steven71288 8 күн бұрын
So what you're saying is, I can't order a pepperoni pizza because this is a Wendy's!!!!! and that's the reason the Earth resembles a pancake.😂😂🎉🎉😅😮
@lunarbubu
@lunarbubu 4 ай бұрын
You have no idea how much I wish this debate was longer than an hour.
@SilverSlayer
@SilverSlayer 4 ай бұрын
They had a time limit because they used the free streaming program 😂 idk why they didn’t just pay for whatever app they are using so it can go longer than an hour
@drumlineking07
@drumlineking07 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, I could listen to this for hours... or even days lol
@sibusisofaya7874
@sibusisofaya7874 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@grinder3535
@grinder3535 3 ай бұрын
Uh huh. “Don’t interrupt”
@PatrykRElektronika
@PatrykRElektronika 3 ай бұрын
I could watch it for hours, even days but unfortunately the flatearther would quickly ran out of his jumping away points.
@moshpit89
@moshpit89 3 ай бұрын
"David. You are not listening." "I am, you are just not saying anything."
@BillyG-mm2jy
@BillyG-mm2jy 3 ай бұрын
shows how close minded professor Dave is. Like all these men of science are.
@dorianlevirapmashup4946
@dorianlevirapmashup4946 3 ай бұрын
@@BillyG-mm2jylol I don’t think so, you can realise how uneducated flat earth Dave sound next to professor dave
@BillyG-mm2jy
@BillyG-mm2jy 3 ай бұрын
@@dorianlevirapmashup4946 yes indeed. Educated by the system
@SobatSw3
@SobatSw3 3 ай бұрын
​@@dorianlevirapmashup4946 flat earth educated?? "Impossible" -Thanos
@griffenrobrahn4604
@griffenrobrahn4604 3 ай бұрын
@@BillyG-mm2jy i hope to any and all religious figures that you are joking, if you are not, please redo the entirety of middle and high school and get the most basic fucking understanding of science, it takes almost zero effort to look at the flat earth argument and prove that it is utterly and inexcusably false. other flat earthers have accidentally proved the earth is round, a flat earth goes against every pillar of our modern understanding of the world. furthermore, there is absolutely zero monetary or political advantage to "hiding" the true shape of the earth. the flat earth 'theory' is one giant fuck you to the hard work of people much smarter than you could ever conceive and anyone who genuinely believes in a flat earth should seek and immediate mental evaluation and a crash course in critical thinking.
@alex10708
@alex10708 8 күн бұрын
The best about it is flat earth Dave has a background filter show the curvature of the earth.
@robertsonrijo
@robertsonrijo 12 күн бұрын
Science illiteracy is a massive problem ... smh
@unecstacy9698
@unecstacy9698 3 ай бұрын
The fact that no one referred to this as a 1v1 Dave-Off is tragic.
@obsidianpizza
@obsidianpizza Ай бұрын
we should get the other dave flat earth-debunker in here too
@becomingsentient3529
@becomingsentient3529 Ай бұрын
​@@obsidianpizza Fuck it let's add Dave Grohl in there too just because he always makes any "Dave" gathering better 😂
@sciencecompliance235
@sciencecompliance235 2 күн бұрын
Dave definitely won the argument.
@pauljones2510
@pauljones2510 Жыл бұрын
I used to work with a guy who is a flat earther. I never dismiss someone's beliefs out of hand without giving them serious thought and consideration. For that reason, I bought this book: 100 Proofs Earth is Not a Globe. I honestly believed and expected it to contain well written, thought provoking proofs. However, the vast majority of the proofs were of a form similar to this: [statement that clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of an area of science] followed by, therefore the earth is not a globe. A good deal of the others were simple personal incredulity: I can't believe that, therefore that's not true, therefore the earth is not a globe. I had several discussions with this co-worker. I even created a diagram based on the flat earth model to demonstrate that what we see does not agree with the flat earth model. What I learned from these discussions is that science is wrong, math is wrong, geometry is a lie. What I eventually realized was that flat earth is a religious belief and like all religious beliefs it does not require scientific proof. For that reason, providing scientific proof that counters the flat earth model falls on deaf ears.
@stuffwelike7184
@stuffwelike7184 Жыл бұрын
In for a penny in for a pound as they say 😉
@koshgam
@koshgam Жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's better to use their arguments against themselves, like why do you believe this to be like this? What made you believe this is the way that it is? Why would everybody be lying to you? Basically just play out the entire scenario for them... As it mostly debunks itself
@stuffwelike7184
@stuffwelike7184 Жыл бұрын
@James Bruce I have asked them why would everyone be lying to you. Why keep up with a worldwide conspiracy that involves every scientist, all teaching of science and go out of the way to adapt science and mathematical equations for systems that are based on the world being a sphere to keep up with this lie. Any time I do ask these questions they either change the subject, go on some crazy rant and call me stupid or just block me.
@kornaros96
@kornaros96 Жыл бұрын
meanwhile the pdf version is free...
@Hosea470
@Hosea470 Жыл бұрын
I'm the individual who understand very little about science but if this Moon and Sun is inside a dome why they do not fall to the ground like everything else
@chirpy8470
@chirpy8470 7 күн бұрын
Need to redo this debate with no technical issues.
@BlueBaron3x7
@BlueBaron3x7 Ай бұрын
Flat Earthers and a like are the very embodiment of The Dunning Kruger Effect.
@smashpik
@smashpik Жыл бұрын
It isn't funny to see an intellectual destroy an ignorant person, but to see him destroy someone who thinks is intelligent is funny as hell.
@cynthiaBcolon4124
@cynthiaBcolon4124 Жыл бұрын
Owwy
@blickygang8397
@blickygang8397 Жыл бұрын
Those are the exact theme things
@anirudhanmenon2212
@anirudhanmenon2212 Жыл бұрын
@@blickygang8397 no what he means is, it's more satisfying to see a charlatan being put in his place compared to just an ignorant dude being educated.
@play36inadaygreenskeeperbe69
@play36inadaygreenskeeperbe69 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Professor Dave needed to lay his golden fiddle on the ground at FEDs feet, as he failed to prove anything
@thekwjiboo
@thekwjiboo Жыл бұрын
​@play36inadaygreenskeeperbe69 wait, are you saying the flat-earth guy was correct on more things than prof. Dave?
@crypted9757
@crypted9757 2 жыл бұрын
You calling FlatEarthDave out every time he tried to jump to another topic and brush the current one aside was definitely one of the funniest things I've seen in a while
@boghund
@boghund 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't realise they share a name and got very confused
@inthebeginning1113
@inthebeginning1113 2 жыл бұрын
@@boghund lol I did too
@davidbrett1958
@davidbrett1958 2 жыл бұрын
Wow tuff stuff lol
@iloveplasticbottles
@iloveplasticbottles 2 жыл бұрын
Dave calling Dave out for Dave trying to change the topic after Dave gives Dave the L. It's Dave-ception.
@benkruger6992
@benkruger6992 2 жыл бұрын
@@iloveplasticbottles "Dave ain't here, man!" - Cheech & Chong.
@Lexi2019AURORA
@Lexi2019AURORA 28 күн бұрын
Happy earth day everyone! Our blue and green marble 🌎 we call home deserves to be taken good care of. For it's our only home in the cosmos. And it's STILL NOT FLAT.
@66bloodmoon
@66bloodmoon 28 күн бұрын
❤ 至于你
@user-qg3tg9qg9p
@user-qg3tg9qg9p 29 күн бұрын
Clockwise and counter clockwise don't change direction by turning yourself 180°.
@davidbent347
@davidbent347 Жыл бұрын
A couple of decades ago calling someone a "flat earther" was a really, effective, funny put down...
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
It should still be. I didn't even know flat earthers existed a decade ago.
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
@@encycl07pedia- it is a really bad insult.
@an.d.m.a
@an.d.m.a Жыл бұрын
@C L S and they insult themselves by believing such nonsense.
@50jakecs
@50jakecs Жыл бұрын
It still is
@zuhosido
@zuhosido Жыл бұрын
I love it when Neil deGrasse Tyson says, “If I gave you proof would that change your mind?” And they say no. End of discussion.
@RetroGamingMusicCom
@RetroGamingMusicCom Жыл бұрын
And that's why Neil deGrasse Tyson come off as a more nice scientist than the scientist in this video.
@direwolfen
@direwolfen Жыл бұрын
@@freakybeaky1 that's right.. before arguing with an idiot, be sure they aren't also doing the same.. so we try to explain A sphere and his 3 dimensional world to A square and even once he sees the truth of depth it conflicts with a life time of conditioning to a faulty truth... and never suggest anything to the king of line land or they will deny its validity 8D
@direwolfen
@direwolfen Жыл бұрын
But yes.. you can't teach by belittling and you cant logic away a belief.. yet you can alter behavior by embarrassment and reward
@tubab72
@tubab72 Жыл бұрын
@@RetroGamingMusicCom ... Neil just realizes the old adagium; "never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
@jennifercottee9002
@jennifercottee9002 Жыл бұрын
Wtf? That’s what schools for. Go back to school mate
@Soujirou13
@Soujirou13 12 күн бұрын
As a fan of history it kills me that Flat Earthers throw away thousands of years of science in favor of lies. Thanks for destroying him Dave.
@DamageJackyl
@DamageJackyl Ай бұрын
This reminds me of debates I have with friends. I'll link data, scientific stats, facts, hard evidence, and books and instead of reading ANY of it they'll just go "Nah. That can't be"... OK. Debate over I guess... Lmfao
@AV4Life
@AV4Life 2 ай бұрын
How they can claim that all of Physics, Astronomy, and Geology is wrong based on: “Why don’t I see any curvature” and “Government lies” will always remain a mystery to me.
@samcarpenter9424
@samcarpenter9424 Ай бұрын
Has the government ever lied? Can you measure curvature?
@littlegayboi5164
@littlegayboi5164 Ай бұрын
@@samcarpenter9424😂😂😂😂😂 flat earth alert
@voetbalstriker
@voetbalstriker Ай бұрын
A pattern that I see with, let’s say ‘conspiracy theorists’, is that they are genuinely curious and try to tackle assumptions which is also what scientists do. However, due to personal negative experiences they lack so much trust in authorities that we cannot agree on any basic level of science with them. I’m really interested in understanding why this phenomenon is seemingly increasing in most societies nowadays
@jimjambananaslam3596
@jimjambananaslam3596 Ай бұрын
@@samcarpenter9424 The science being discussed here predates "the government" by thousands of years. You could easily replicate the experiments done by Pythagoras for yourself, but you never will, you'll just childishly demand other people disprove your stupid ideas.
@flonp9694
@flonp9694 Ай бұрын
@@samcarpenter9424 if you live near a big lake you can see the curvature yourself, get some binoculars on a day with very little wind, pick a tree or any tall landmark across the lake, and this is the important part, lie down. if the lake is 5 miles across the curvature will cause the other side to be around 9 feet under the horizon, if you're standing the difference of around 3 feet can be difficult to spot, but near the ground you'll be able to see your landmark become obscured as you lay down.
@verde5738
@verde5738 2 ай бұрын
"Spectroscopy needs to be in a container" This needs to be on a T-Shirt.
@imagod4796
@imagod4796 Ай бұрын
I wouldn't want to seem that stupid to others
@KirstenInSpace
@KirstenInSpace Ай бұрын
It's the dumbest thing ever said by a flat earther. It just proves their immense ignorance of science.
@Clem68W
@Clem68W Ай бұрын
@@imagod4796Oh I would!
@filipperic5133
@filipperic5133 Ай бұрын
"The direction of your energy is changing" Meanwhile energy doesn't have direction... it's a scalar quantity it's literally unaffected by directional change
@reconnaissance7372
@reconnaissance7372 Ай бұрын
It would be a cool shirt haha. It would say "Don't be dumb and assume off the cuff senseless baseless ideas with no real understanding or formal education in a proffesional scientific area, like the study of Spectroscopy in an attempt to seem smart and simultaniously challenge a factual statement that entirely contradicts your argument." without actualy saying it.
@robvlob
@robvlob 7 күн бұрын
Earthshine is a thing the moon appears faintly green, but if you were looking at a flashlight at the same time, you wouldn't see it. It's kind of like when you're driving down a street at night and a vehicle is parked facing you with its headlights on, although your headlights are illuminating the road beside the vehicle. When approaching, you see nothing but a black wall. It's crazy how, even in this scenario, the people standing in the road don't understand why you can't see them until you're right on top of them.
@beekneed
@beekneed 26 күн бұрын
The most disgusting thing about FEDW is that he spends a hell of a lot of time spewing this garbage to kids. Adults who want to dip down into the make-believe are responsible for themselves, but Dave teaching 'classes' and providing materials for HOME SCHOOL is grotesque.
@Adrena1in
@Adrena1in 25 күн бұрын
Not as bad as when he went into an old peoples' home and coerced a very confused old lady to say she remembers being taught flat earth in school when she was a kid. It's a sick and twisted game with him, and he knows it...he doesn't for a second think the earth is actually flat.
@Virtualblueart
@Virtualblueart 2 жыл бұрын
To sum up a small bit of this: "Nobody has ever seen parallel rays!" "Have you ever seen train tracks that seem to meet at the horizon but are actually parallel?" "That's just perspective!" "Sun rays are just like that" "Nuh uh!"
@honeychurchgipsy6
@honeychurchgipsy6 2 жыл бұрын
@Virgil Blue - a mixture of special pleading (like the religious person who declares that the universe MUST have had a beginning and a cause and then denies that their god MUST also have had a beginning and a cause), and post hoc reasoning (earth is flat now let me see how I can cherry pick the evidence to support that), creates a heady brew of flerf nonsense.
@francelaferriere6106
@francelaferriere6106 2 жыл бұрын
FEDave has never seen sun rays through a hole in the clouds, I guess.
@catherineshaw1122
@catherineshaw1122 Жыл бұрын
FE cult's whole philosophy is nuh uh, lol.
@David-di5bo
@David-di5bo Жыл бұрын
16:44 "Why don't you stop condescending to the entire human race and pretending that every scientist ever is a liar and satanic deceiver. That's much more offensive than me calling you stupid. (Which you are.)" Better than the best Hollywood movie quote I've ever seen.
@pm1660
@pm1660 Жыл бұрын
He forgot to add also that these flers call Einstain the R word ... the irony there is infinite.
@DamnYoustupid-ke8we
@DamnYoustupid-ke8we Жыл бұрын
What’s the R word? Retardant ?
@arandombard1197
@arandombard1197 28 күн бұрын
"If there's all this dust, why doesn't it just collapse in on itself" -"It does, that's where suns come from" It's really funny to watch a Flat Earther accidentally disprove themselves.
@pixelgamer3606
@pixelgamer3606 2 жыл бұрын
"its hard to win and argument against a smart person" "But winning and argument against a dumb person is near impossible" -master oogway
@godless-clump-of-cells
@godless-clump-of-cells 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Dave won long ago.
@DoNotDisturb.
@DoNotDisturb. 2 жыл бұрын
An* not and Also, Master Oogway said this! Really?
@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471
@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471 2 жыл бұрын
"The inferno of the wise people is the paradise of the cretins".
@giovannifrrri5495
@giovannifrrri5495 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I thought Bruce Lee said that JK but it wasn't Oogway
@maximus6791
@maximus6791 2 жыл бұрын
it's not hard to beat a smart person if you're dumb lol
@mateuszweyna7309
@mateuszweyna7309 Жыл бұрын
Flat Dave's only argument is "I don't understand it, so it's wrong"
@FSTL
@FSTL Жыл бұрын
Not at all the only one... Hes got "it doesnt make sense" as well...
@wertnolastname5228
@wertnolastname5228 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about "the controllers want you to believe that"
@TheSofkujepanen
@TheSofkujepanen Жыл бұрын
Also, "it's stupid, it's dumb"
@Anson_AKB
@Anson_AKB Жыл бұрын
he doesn't have only one argument, but two, which leads to the question: how can someone say _"i don' understand globe earth and thus it's wrong",_ as well as at the same time _"i don't understand flat earth and thus it's true"_ ?
@yuuseir3391
@yuuseir3391 Жыл бұрын
And, I can't explain anything, that as well.
@RememberingWW2
@RememberingWW2 18 күн бұрын
You have to give this guy props for being able to even show up to debate a flat Earth theory with a paranoid schizophrenic for hours
@jamesandrewcorvera627
@jamesandrewcorvera627 27 күн бұрын
“We have flat earth members around the globe”
@M15TRR3CT4NGL
@M15TRR3CT4NGL 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Watching flat earth "durbates" is one thing that made me want to go to college in my early 40's and just last week I had a Professor Dave science video assigned as viewing material in my Physics class.
@b0b5m1th
@b0b5m1th 2 жыл бұрын
Surely you mean "derpbates"?
@ta0soft
@ta0soft 2 жыл бұрын
@@b0b5m1th flerfbates
@chrishollandsworth6700
@chrishollandsworth6700 2 жыл бұрын
You are inspiring me to go to college in MY early 40s as well. Good job! Dave's book 'is this wifi organic' gave me the confidence that I can learn as well as in my youth
@rdrhouse
@rdrhouse 2 жыл бұрын
@@b0b5m1th "dumbates"
@CaPnBaLlBaG
@CaPnBaLlBaG 2 жыл бұрын
Good on ya friend! I went back and finished my degree at 30. Best decision I ever made. It's never too late.
@MarlboroughBlenheim1
@MarlboroughBlenheim1 2 жыл бұрын
This is the equivalent of someone who has never been to medical school, or doesn’t understand how the human body works, telling brain surgeons that they are wrong because “it doesn’t make any sense to me”. It’s the absolute definition of an argument from ignorance fallacy.
@MarlboroughBlenheim1
@MarlboroughBlenheim1 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbaklava7297 it’s not a curved baseline to any noticeable degree - the earth is massive. And it’s not been a problem for ships over the centuries.
@JoeARedHawk275
@JoeARedHawk275 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbaklava7297 What does it feel like to live with a double digit IQ? I always wondered what it was like to be slower than the pack. Maybe if I was put in your shoes and felt frustration from others calling me stupid, then maybe I’d understand why people want to feel special by believing in silliness.
@spencerss4908
@spencerss4908 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbaklava7297 I see you are also having problems with the scope of the size of the earth
@gibbonbasher8171
@gibbonbasher8171 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbaklava7297 I think your brain falls apart at the concept that the earth is so large that curvature over a small distance is negligible. But I'm going out on a limb by assuming you actually have a brain.
@eiragwyn812
@eiragwyn812 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbaklava7297 So, you'll be entering, (and winning), the McToon navigation challenge? I can't wait to watch that presentation. 😀
@jacksonn5240
@jacksonn5240 10 күн бұрын
5:29 “Do you understand how vision works?” I’m dying 😂
@Fiszy
@Fiszy 10 күн бұрын
clearly not
@joeguetzloff4465
@joeguetzloff4465 28 күн бұрын
That was just proof that you gotta lie to FLERF. "No. You can't see the sun for 24 hours down there." 😆 So scientific.
@Zerpersande
@Zerpersande 3 ай бұрын
‘This is supposedly where stars are born. ……. How come, this stuff doesn’t collapse in upon itself?’ “It does. That’s how stars are formed.” There has to be some other people out there that found this incredibly funny.
@redpillnibbler4423
@redpillnibbler4423 3 ай бұрын
The upside-down thing was my favourite part.
@michaellozada1077
@michaellozada1077 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 me!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Snuggles_the_Unholy
@Snuggles_the_Unholy 2 ай бұрын
Personally I thought turn left and looking up then turning right and looking to see different stars was the height of 5-year-old responses.
@legopunk2655
@legopunk2655 2 ай бұрын
I spent half this video lol.
@SteveJaye84
@SteveJaye84 2 ай бұрын
yup. the guys a dumbass.
@elsie3724
@elsie3724 Жыл бұрын
“you have the intellect of a five year old” Wow, that was so uncalled for. Five year olds have a much better grasp on this than flat earth Dave.
@chadspamton2159
@chadspamton2159 Жыл бұрын
@@davidpearson6346 1) Yes, almost all of us ask ourselves this at the very least once, some of us ask this daily. 2) What the hell does this have to do with anything? This is like a flat earther saying “The earth is flat” and a scientist responding “But did you ask yourself how your day has actually been? Sounds like your closed minded” 3) “Sounds like you have a closed mind and don’t ask this question” you asked 3 questions
@elsie3724
@elsie3724 Жыл бұрын
@@davidpearson6346 …. What on (spherical) earth…? Do I know what life is? In what sense? Do I ever wonder what we are or do I think I know? I mean… Of course I wonder these things all the time. I am not sure what point you think you’re making here. I don’t know everything which is why I seek out experts in fields I don’t work in. They have black and white evidence of the earth being spherical and can debunk every flat earth argument/model/whatever that comes up. Science is absolutely about having an open mind but once it’s proven to be a sphere there just isn’t a point to stay “open minded” in regards to flat earth. And it’s hilarious you think I’m closed minded, when watching this debate here, Flat Earth Dave constantly shuts down legitimate science that is explained and proven and can consistently be proven over and over again, and his rebuttal is how it just “doesn’t make sense.” Flat Earthers have proven over and over themselves that the earth is a sphere and yet still cling to this weird belief and conspiracy lol
@hugh5698
@hugh5698 Жыл бұрын
Flat earth Dave has a phd in Dumbcuntery
@davidpoirier8725
@davidpoirier8725 Жыл бұрын
An insult to 5-year-olds.
@elsie3724
@elsie3724 Жыл бұрын
@@davidpoirier8725 exactly haha
@realjohntapang3480
@realjohntapang3480 27 күн бұрын
Instead flat earthers ask the scientists how this happened everything, why don't they do their own science and proving that the earth is flat? They should have their own scientists. All of their answers are opinionated and dont provide facts based on their research. Hayss
@felixfernando2751
@felixfernando2751 Ай бұрын
Flat Earth Dave! I will pay for your ticket… let’s go to Antarctica together.
@rickmartin7596
@rickmartin7596 Ай бұрын
He will claim the windows are CGI.
@blakksheep736
@blakksheep736 2 жыл бұрын
A good deal of these is: "Then why does this not happen?" "It does happen." Professor: Explains in amazing detail the topic at hand. Flat Earther: "That's stupid and I don't like it. Next!"
@mr.nobody9697
@mr.nobody9697 2 жыл бұрын
"Then why does this not happen?" "It does happen." Professor: Explains in amazing detail the topic at hand. Flat Earther: "That's stupid,I don't like it and youre being a dick. Next!" Made it perfect for you.
@jojo_da_poe
@jojo_da_poe 2 жыл бұрын
Precisely what they do.
@ta0soft
@ta0soft 2 жыл бұрын
he seriously said "the sun antarchs away from you"
@memeswithcringe1624
@memeswithcringe1624 2 жыл бұрын
“The amount of day and night that objectively happens in a place depends on *your* latitude?” “Absolutely, 100%!”
@memeswithcringe1624
@memeswithcringe1624 2 жыл бұрын
“You’re saying that daylight isn’t from the sun??” “aBsoLuteLy!”
@sahb8091
@sahb8091 2 жыл бұрын
Right at the beginning, when he said lets fine 'common ground'; I pretty much died. You can't find common ground when you're literally not on the same planet.
@sahb8091
@sahb8091 2 жыл бұрын
find*
@PrimoRocker
@PrimoRocker 2 жыл бұрын
@@sahb8091 why not??
@mdburk9396
@mdburk9396 2 жыл бұрын
Be it a spherical or flat one.
@activatekruger446
@activatekruger446 2 жыл бұрын
They say ‘Once you go flat, you never go back.’ I’ve actually tried convincing myself the earth is flat (I’m a masochist) and I just can’t do it.
@Blackreaper777
@Blackreaper777 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen someone else do it too. I guess the idea of establishing the so called common ground is to make flat Earth look reasonable or valid or something. Look, we agree on this, this and this and we just simply disagree on conclusion. If it's not that, then I have no idea what is the point of this common ground.
@jacksonn5240
@jacksonn5240 10 күн бұрын
that last rant from Flat Earth Dave sounds like a schizophrenic episode
@titan9259
@titan9259 Ай бұрын
IsraellsLikeWater vanished already... *@IsraellsLikeWater 33 minutes ago* "Not a professor Dave clearly needs more boosters."
@AryanGupta-ld4eg
@AryanGupta-ld4eg 11 ай бұрын
20:20 "You say it works because you can do math, but it doesn't" I've never seen this level of denial ever before
@robertbower7461
@robertbower7461 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, and then tries to use the magnetic declination figures to prove a false statement!! Talk about moving the goalposts! This guy knows the earth is a sphere. He’s a con man. Only an idiot would claim to search for the truth and then show no interest in the beautiful mathematically correct globe model that ticks all the boxes, with no model of his own to compare with. Total scum bag.
@chenyansong
@chenyansong 10 ай бұрын
If this guy knew how to do math he should have figured out that he was tricked by Prof. Dave and figured out that sun’s gravity pull on moon is twice as strong as earth’s pull on moon.
@kurtgoodridge1952
@kurtgoodridge1952 10 ай бұрын
@@chenyansong no it isnt
@chenyansong
@chenyansong 10 ай бұрын
@@kurtgoodridge1952 ?
@khornii7513
@khornii7513 10 ай бұрын
@@chenyansong did you not listen to how dave explained how Newton's law of universial gravitation works?..
@tale7955
@tale7955 10 ай бұрын
This entire debate boils down to "I don't understand basic math"
@riverzin3186
@riverzin3186 10 ай бұрын
It might help the "debate" if flat earth guy watched and studied Dave's math and physics tutorials. Oh wait, then there would be no debate.
@joseknight9965
@joseknight9965 10 ай бұрын
FE Dave is a dumb dumb 😂😂😂16:25
@klauskinski5969
@klauskinski5969 10 ай бұрын
well it would be highlight if it would boil down to it, but some arguments did not even required it
@EvilAmy_
@EvilAmy_ 10 ай бұрын
Neither do I, but I'm still not a flat earther.
@williamblackfyre4866
@williamblackfyre4866 10 ай бұрын
It's not a debate...you can't debate facts.
@AleisterCrowleyMagus
@AleisterCrowleyMagus 22 күн бұрын
This was absoluty hilarious - “your entire existence is being a dick to science” made me snort my Pepsi zero - this and Prof Dave’s infamous *debate* with the now full psycho James Tour (DRAW, MR. FARINA!!! *brandishing chalk menacingly). I humbly suggest that Prof Dave have a mug available for Hanukkah/Yuletide/Christmas that says “Cynical Prick” with Dave’s awesome thumbnail. Maybe “DRAW, MR. FARINA” on the back! The funds of course can go to some good cause Prof Dave supports.
@jeu198
@jeu198 17 күн бұрын
Electrostatic forces probably aid the initial clumping of dust particles but yes, the exact mechanics of dust and gas collapse is not fully understood but ultimately it is gravitational collapse and the heat produced from the loss of gravitational potential energy that causes planets to start off with molten interiors and, with enough pressure that heat also initiates fusion.
@64tubebaby
@64tubebaby 2 жыл бұрын
Dave Weiss repeatedly uses the expression, "In your world..." They're the closest times he ever gets to being right, but not for the reasons he intends.
@oskarneftel3756
@oskarneftel3756 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 Genius
@ariel.l.borrero
@ariel.l.borrero 2 жыл бұрын
I think he intends that reason also
@whatabouterrr5729
@whatabouterrr5729 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know who wrote the books the prof studied at uni? Any ideas?
@dangerousdiscourse
@dangerousdiscourse 2 жыл бұрын
@@whatabouterrr5729 I know exactly the commonality between them, but if I give details, my comment will be AI shadow banned
@64tubebaby
@64tubebaby Жыл бұрын
@@whatabouterrr5729 No idea whatsover. Sorry.
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