Reacting to the 25 BEST & WORST Hunger Games Fan Theories

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:46 Cinna Bought Katniss
1:45 District 11 is a Failed Career District
3:20 Panem Has a lot of Child Labor
4:14 Lucy Gray Baird is Alma Coins Mother
5:31 Thresh's Death Was a Conspiracy
6:34 Lucy Gray & Snow Are Katniss' Grandparents
7:41 Gale is Dead
8:41 Foxface Committed Suicide
9:41 Katniss's Entire Life Was Manufactured
10:48 Career Tributes Aren't Just Training for the Games
12:17 Tigris Was a Member of the Rebellion
13:09 The Series Takes Place in a World Where Britain Won the Revolutionary War
15:04 Artificial Intelligence Led to the Creation of Panem
16:38 Lucy Gray is Alma Coin
17:26 Katniss Was Hijacked to Love Peeta
18:27 The Rest of the World Doesn't Care About Panem
19:14 District 13 Blew Up the Hospital in District 8, Not the Capitol
20:03 Peeta & Prim Weren't Reaped Randomly
21:54 Maude Ivory is Katniss Everdeens Grandmother
22:50 Tigirs Turned Her Back On Snow Because of Finnick's Games
24:05 Snow Was the Head Gamemaker For the First Quarter Quell
25:02 The Hunger Games Test the Districts Rebellion Capabilities
26:06 Lucy Gray Became Greasy Sae
27:16 The 75th Hunger Games Arena Was Made For Finnick
28:19 Tigris Was Inspired By Lucy Gray in Creating Capitol Fashion
29:27 MY CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS

[@MLBedits4U-bc1sp]

"peeta and prim werent raped, OH NO REAPED OH GOD-" got me cackling out of my seat

[@RKLight-ls7tv]

Dude I genuinely was so confused at first like "WTF DID I MISS" before he clarified he meant reaped lmao

[@edschelchang6123]

I think he almost cursed before stopping himself

[@crashbash1100]

At first I was like Jesus, this got dark real quick

[@TheMiddleOfFourteenSidlings]

20:20 time stamp if you want to rewatch it

[@workstuff79]

@@TheMiddleOfFourteenSidlings 20:03

[@GeneralPenguinIsCool]

I think the worst is by far Coin=Lucy Gray. I agree with almost all of the Super Carlin Bros theories, but the theories that try and connect Lucy Gray to Katniss are silly.

[@blakekaveny]

I agree coin isn’t old enough. However I don’t think it’s too outrageous to say that coin could be the daughter of Lucy gray.

[@kianbakker3691]

Yeah I love super carlin brothere but I would love to have some of what they were smoking when they mase that theory

[@dannylagangonzalez6832]

@@blakekaveny I think Lucy Grey probably is Coin's mother. But, all it would take for Coin to be Lucy Grey is Katniss to be wrong about Coin's age.

[@Lauren_210]

I HATE this one with a burning passion (no pun intended).

[@JohncharleS20042]

Nahh man I actually find it interesting, but well, it has no real sense

[@Giveuponyourdreamsanddie2]

Lets be real here the gale is dead theory is just the fandom being upset he survived when other characters didn't 😂😂

[@takirarucker7613]

I agree but it should’ve been him not Finnick

[@dammitmandy1166]

This is my favorite channel… it has served a different purpose for me. .. many many nights of driving for hours home after taking my mom to chemo, I struggled to stay awake until til I found this channel… it has always got me back home!!!

[@MovieFlame]

❤❤

[@HarryPotterFan745]

Aww… that’s so wholesome. I hope your mum gets better ❤

[@lucygarrett9785]

I hope your mom gets well soon 🙏

[@kittycatsuperstar4219]

I hope you’re mom is doing well ❤️

[@kevinrh9143]

So happy you have brought positivity in this situation in your life. I will pray for many blessings for you!

[@agustinrodriguez3765]

I heard a Different one for Foxface, where she killed herself because she knew she couldn't win. She would've had to get REEEEALy lucky to kill Cato or Thresh, she was not going to Win against Katniss so she just decided to take herself out not to die in suffering or in a horrible way

[@ashlynnsiobhan]

This is my go to. They "changed" the rules and her district mate was dead. At the time she would have to beat Cato and Thresh and then beat Katniss and Peta. If she made it obvious she ended herself her family would be in danger. Her family can't be punished for her accidentally eating the wrong berries. Plus Katniss told Peta he would be dead in a minute so it's quick and maybe painless.

[@bibbo3167]

I think it’s a mix of the two, knowing she couldn’t win, then piecing together at the same time that most victors are miserable. She probably realized it was a lose lose situation (albeit maybe not to the full extent as to why, rather a gut feeling)

[@nmoney6655]

@@bibbo3167 I heard one by Story Diver that goes and I quote: Foxface killed herself and made it look like suicide because she was afraid of what might happen if a tribute blatantly killed themselves so she staged it to make it look like a accident that she ate the night lock that Katniss and Peeta were planning on eating themselves

[@davidfairweather3301]

Yeh I never really bought into this theory. The fact she was stalking Katniss and Peeta and stole berries that he picked first, and Peeta had deemed safe, it doesn’t make sense why she would assume they would kill her. The movie makes it seem like she has knowledge of plants and berries, but in the book she clearly doesn’t cos she relied on stealing from others

[@the.scarlet_witch.official]

Let's also remember that fear is a really big motivator too and like others have said, the rule change and not just fear of dying horribly but fear of what else could be coming, what other changes or horrors might come...she ended her life on her own terms. Movie or books we know there is no way she would confuse the NL berries as safe... by her own choice she prevented her family facing repercussions, and had as painless a death as possible. She was able to rebel in a way, which is beautiful

[@juulchapot]

the fact that foxface's actress even said that she thought it was canon that she committed suicide

[@davidfairweather3301]

She should reread the books then cos the theory doesn’t make sense. She was stalking Katniss and Peeta and took berries Peeta picked and deemed safe.

[@sweet.carolien]

Yeah, but also Foxface's actress is not the ultimate authority on the fate of her character. She was just fulfilling her role as an actress.

[@ashleeknowlton5805]

​@@davidfairweather3301to be fair, we don't know shit about foxface. Katniss just assumes it's an accident. But everything is from her perspective. Like she doesn't even know the girl's real name. Foxface could have known it was night lock. At the very least it's within the realm of possibility. The truth is, we actually don't know that definitively one way or the other.

[@davidfairweather3301]

@@ashleeknowlton5805 You can draw conclusions based on the source material. Foxface’s strategy was stealing from other tributes which heavily implies that she couldn’t forage for herself. She was stalking Katniss and Peeta and she ate the night lock after Peeta had already picked them and he deemed them safe… if she knew so much about plants and berries, she wouldn’t have needed to stalk Katniss and Peeta and steal what they found, and if she really was trying to kill herself, she could’ve just found the berries herself.

[@ashleeknowlton5805]

@@davidfairweather3301 no like I get what you're saying. I'm not saying I necessarily believe it. But after reading ABOSAS it's clear Suzanne Collins does focus on unreliable narrators. We take Katniss's word as Gospel because she's the narrator but its possible she's wrong. Katniss, and therefore the reader, know little to nothing about Foxface and her motivation. So much so we literally don't even know her name. It does open up the possibility that Katniss misinterpreted the situation. Especially because she's particularly oblivious to other people and their motivations the majority of the time. Her conclusions make sense, but they could be wrong. We just don't know with 100% certainty because we were never in foxface's head or even saw her death scene. Just the body.

[@thrillho4209]

The child labour theory is confirmed canon, there's reference in the books to other districts using children in their industries which can give them some advantage when it comes to the games (i.e. Rue having the skill of climbing trees from working in the orchards). I think it also makes sense that the Quarter Quell arena was engineered for Finnick. Plutarch would want to play to Finnick's strengths as one of the rebels' strongest allies.

[@Lespritdelescali]

My thought about child labor is that 12 only seems to be an outlier because the nature of their primary industry. We do see children working in other jobs, just not the mine. My guess is the only reason they don't have children in the mine is to ensure there is enough of a population to restaff after catastrophic accidents that could potentially wipe out most of the miners all at once.

[@Lauren_210]

The “Lucy Gray is Alma Coin” theory is the one I go absolutely ballistic on cause I HATE that theory so much (it is by far my least favorite Hunger Games theory). 😤 Lucy Gray is free spirited, is very expressive and loves color, music, and nature! She expresses herself through her wardrobe and her music/songwriting (which she states that she sings when she has something to say--like an insert for Suzanne Collins herself where she's said that she only writes when she has something important to say). There's no way she would give that up and live a soulless life. She wouldn't be caught wearing those ugly gray suits! Coin is overly plain in order to preserve equality and she doesn’t believe in the little joys of life if they aren’t necessary. District 13 is so industrial and rigid. Lucy Gray is probably the most colorful and vibrant character in the series. She would just give up her music, her songs, her color wardrobe to establish some war bunker, militaristic, drab society? She would want 13 to be the one normal place where people do things like singing, dancing, allowing people to express themselves however they want and not have it be some drab. Also, for her to go down the path of revenge and advocate for a symbolic Hunger Games using Capitol children (as well as all of the other atrocities Coin commits), that would be her going against her own beliefs on humanity and abandoning her philosophy. She states, "I think there is a natural goodness born into us all. No, really. You can either cross that line into evil, or not and it's our life's work to stay on the right side of that line." She would never want another Games for anyone and not want them to go through what she and the other tributes did during their time in the Capitol and during the Games. Mathematical wise, it's impossible. Lucy Gray is 16 during Ballad when the 10th Hunger Games takes place. Katniss states that Coin is somewhere around her 50s (she seems like anywhere from 50-55 within that range). It's 65 years in between Ballad and Mockingjay, so if Lucy Gray was around during the trilogy, she would be 81 years old (16+65), so a good 25-30 years older than Coin (and no, don't be using the "plastic surgery" excuse) I also don't really like nor can buy Lucy Gray being Alma Coin's mother. It's not as awful as the "Lucy Gray is Alma Coin" theory, but I still don't like it and don't believe in that whatsoever. I just CANNOT see Lucy Gray raising a child who would ever turn out like Coin did and especially when it comes to her cold, cruel, narcissistic nature (and no way would Lucy Gray ever ingrain the idea of advocating for a Games using Capitol children as some form of revenge into her child). I would also think Lucy Gray would want to incorporate aspects of herself into her child like her music, her love for nature, and expressiveness. I don't want ANY kind of association between Lucy Gray and Coin. She's our vibrant and colorful songbird! 🕊💕 Don’t disrespect my girl like that. ❤

[@LunaiCarmen]

SCREAM IT FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS!

[@raebooger]

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[@Haley-ne6or]

I 10000000% agree. My hatred for this theory runs deep within my bones

[@PramitiKarthik]

I also agree and I was honestly shocked when the supercarlinbrother said it was canon and I totally agree with movieflame and y’all

[@feawarriorheart9917]

The ONLY way I can see it being plausible that Coin turns out the way she does if she’s LG’s daughter is if LG is killed in some horrific way by the Capitol. In that way, music and color and joy itself would be one big painful reminder to Coin of her mother, and seeing the Capitol slowly become more and more flamboyant like LG while her mother is dead could easily turn Coin bitter and hateful, hence calling for a symbolic Hunger Games for the capitol children - because her childhood/any good part of her life was stolen away by the Capitol, so she wants to do the exact same thing and perpetuate the cycle of abuse and violence.

[@nwlkr18]

something i really wish has happened in the first 3 books was that katniss found a insanely old bag of a peacekeeper’s rifle in the bottom of the lake, and no readers really noticed until they read the ballad of songbirds and snakes and it turns out it was literally snows bag

[@fahimhasan22]

Some of these theories are so bad that it feels like they're generated by AI.

[@clover2739]

Also the Foxface theory isn’t likely in the books. I think it’s only a movie thing. And I’ll explain why. Foxface is smart yeah, but she was never shown to be knowledgeable about plants at any point in the books. She’s in district 5 why would she be? She’s considered smart because she’s cunning and sneaky. Which is why the name Foxface suits her. Her entire strategy throughout the games is stealing stuff from other people, that’s all we see her do. She stays close to people and steals food in small sections so people don’t notice. She was living off of the careers pile of supplies until Katniss blew it up and she lost that source too. Katniss is the one who is the plant expert due to how she grew up, and she aced the plant section in training before the games and Katniss said that the nightlock berries are not mentioned in training at all. Katniss only knows what the berries are because she hunts illegally and they grow ok the outskirts of district 12, so her dad taught her. It’s very unlikely Foxface in her district had the same thing and have those berries grow around there. Foxface literally has no way to know what those berries are. Foxface not only just steals the berries but she steals Katniss and Peeta’s cheese that they had, if she’s just planning on killing herself then why bother stealing their cheese as well? Plus when she died, Katniss describes her body as emaciated so she was clearly starving and desperate for food. People really overestimate foxface as if she’s not also a kid who can make mistakes and that’s the point of what happens to her. She’s smart but she’s not smart in the way she can find her own food, she just knows how to be sneaky and that’s why she’s smart. Her death is about overestimating others can just be as dangerous as underestimating them. She is starving and couldn’t get food after Katniss blew up her main food source and then there was that rain storm, that would make it more difficult for her to find more food from others. When it finally stops, she manages to find Katniss and Peeta and trusts that the food they have is safe since for what she knows, they’re planning on eating it and she’s that hungry she’ll take it. Thats all it is. I know it’s just a movie theory, but I think making her this huge genius that can’t make mistakes takes some of the sadness away from the fact she’s still just a kid with one small misstep causing her death. The only basis people have for foxface ‘being good at identifying plants’ is that one scene they added into the movies with her playing that matching game, but that has absolutely nothing to do with identifying edible plants. It’s a matching game that’s based off of fast reflexes and patterns. Which is what her actual strength is, they just use plant images for the test but you wouldn’t be able to identify anything with those images.

[@sawanna508]

I think a lot of people underestimate how painfull hunger can be. It's very likely Foxface didn't even looking twice before putting the berries in her mouth.

[@clover2739]

@@sawanna508 exactly, especially if she sees peeta collecting the berries to eat and she’s starving she’s just going to eat them assuming theyre safe

[@katiemei3118]

Everything you say I agree with!!!!!!!

[@kappa_philosophe]

Absolutely i agree

[@fairy_flo1239]

Yes!! 100%, I really hope everyone reads this

[@lenorcia]

I think the theory that Lucy Gray and Snow are Katniss' grandparents is a bit far-fetched, but I'm sure someone from The Covey is the parent of Katniss' father. Like, only they knew about "The Hanging Tree" (in the book also people who were at the birthday of... the commenter, if I'm not mistaken), Maude Ivory, Barb Azure or Tam Amber may have sung it to Katniss's father, that's how he knew it. We also cannot forget about the lake, the existence of which few people knew about, including the members of The Covey and Spruce. So: Katniss' father's parent was Lucy Gray, Maude Ivory, Barb Azure, or Tam Amber.

[@bibbo3167]

To add on, this also help explains why her father trained her with the bow As the covey is said to have picked up tricks here and there to get by/scavengers. They also were probably the first group in 12 to piece that a rebellion was coming, as they saw the state of multiple districts and had a close relationship with Capital (snow) citizens

[@LunaiCarmen]

I take it as good as canon that Maude ivory is katniss’ grandmother. There is SO MUCH EVIDENCE

[@Lauren_210]

@@LunaiCarmenNot to mention, that big alarming clue that Maude Ivory can memorize any song/tune after listening to it only once, which Katniss also mentions that she has that same talent. That one especially is clearly there for a reason. 👀

[@VampireFan1980]

I do think it is Maude Ivory. Lucy Gray at one point tells Snow, that Maude loves the katniss flower. This could be why her father later named her Katniss. Because his mother loved katniss so much.

[@helRAEzzzer]

I wouldn't be surprised if Katnis's father was raising her for the games, but not to send her in. If I were a parent in this world and could teach my kids survival skills, I absolutely would so if they get reaped, they have higher odds of making it out. I will say, I think he was teaching Katnis these skills with plans of running and/or so she could care for the family in his absence should something happen to him. I don't think he, realistically, had the games in mind at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he planned on starting a revolution, though, just not via putting his children in direct danger.

[@charliebotzman6423]

The reason the whole “Iuke, I am your father” twist was so shocking to audiences was because they didn’t see it coming AND it established a connection between Luke and Darth Vader. The reason it doesn’t make sense to make Katniss, LGB, Coin, and Snow all related is because it does…NOTHING for the story. It adds nothing to the plot. I remember having a conversation with my father about this, because Star Wars was very much his Hunger Games. He said they didn’t see the twist coming and people were floored! That they couldn’t stop talking about it the next week! Unless you add something like that in, there’s no point in making everyone related

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Plus it led to Vader's redemption in the next movie.

[@charliebotzman6423]

@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 oh very good point! And we are NOT trying to redeem Snow OR Coin!

[@edschelchang6123]

20:03 My mind immediately went "did I miss something from the films"

[@michmill7007]

lol

[@lesleighcooper5699]

Same😂😅

[@Shadow_Dodger_2474]

Hahahahahahaha!

[@LunaiCarmen]

😅

[@meshagucci]

Same here 🤣

[@dammitmandy1166]

My crazy theory comes at the end as Katniss and Gale are ascending upon the capital. We all know that district 13 was a week ahead of their team. I think the peacekeepers that snatched Gale, were sent there by Coin to grab him to separate him from Katniss. That way Katniss could go alone and hopefully get blown up and watch her sister die. Either way it would be a win for Coin as Katniss would either be a mental wreck or she would’ve been blown up trying to save her sister.. Gale and Coin were like minded in war… odds are she knew she could use him to help her get elected. After all… he is the “cousin” to the Mockingjay… people might listen to him rallying for Coin to be president

[@samanthaangelovich8507]

This is actually so good

[@lauraschoots]

About the quarter quell arena, I always thought the arena was also made with lots of water because ‘this is no place for a girl on fire’. Hence showing Katniss the capitol wants her dead (which until you find out Plutarch leads the rebellion is the image the capitol tries to show the public but also Katniss, and Snow of course has to think this too). I do like the fan theory, it makes perfect sense if Plutarch would think: it kills two birds with one stone. It shows the capitol does not want a girl on fire, and gives Finnick the ability to guard and protect Katniss since it is his are(n)a of expertise. Ps love your channel Morgan! Mostly the hunger games and Harry Potter vids are always such a good watch

[@Laramaria2]

I like the hospital one, Maude Ivory and Snow being the head behind the 25th Hunger Games. Snow being behind the 25th Hunger Games is almost too perfect tbh 😂 And the arena of the 75th being made with Finnick in mind is my head cannon 😂

[@theoriginalalan]

My own theory : The Quarter Quell is a fraud. 😮 I believe Snow or someone else implemented the idea of the Quarter Quell around the 25th anniversary. In Catching Fire, Katniss explains that the rules of each Quarter Quell were laid out at the very beginning of the Games. But I would find it really strange that Casca Highbottom, who was drunk when he wrote his ideas, may have thought of a special edition once each 25 years. That would explain why there is no mention at all of it during TBOSBAS. I believe there was nothing written from the beginning, and the president of the time would simply decide the twist when the time comes. Just like when it's implied that Snow might have changed the rules of the 75th Hunger Games to put an end to the Katniss (and possibly Johanna) threat. Maybe around the 25th Hunger Games, a new revolution was preparing, so the president announced a game where tributes will be picked by their own neighbours to create even more division and prevent a new revolution. But for the second one, I'm not sure. Maybe there was just too many children to feed at the time 😂 I hope that if a new book comes out in the future, it will be about the 1st Quarter Quell because it's the only one we didn't see.

[@Theweirdunicorn69]

That’s a great theory!

[@jenilein113]

That theory is really good. It would also explain why they decided to do something big for the 25th anniversary but not the 10th for example. You would think 10 years would be a big occasion, but they were both struggling for interest and probably saw no reason yet to make it a bigger deal. So it makes sense that the first big anniversary was the 25th because they decided they needed them now, instead of the round anniversaries

[@samwitherington8202]

My own theories: All the 75th games victors were chosen specifically, either to erase shady things Snow had done (Finnick and likely both 1s), remind Districts that their favourites could still be killed (2s), remove dangerous ones that could cause rebellion (Katniss and Peeta, Johanna, Beetee), or just to improve the image of the games (Annie and Wiress, who both offer a negative portrayal of the games due to their obvious mental scars, though Annie never ended up in the games due to Mags) The Capital are unaware of the state of the Districts. Because all of their interactions with the Districts are through the tributes and victors, who are constantly dressed in fancy clothes and paraded around looking as pretty as possible, the Capital Citizens are given a view of the Districts as much better off then the actually are, as a way to exert further control by giving the appearance of benevolence from Snow. Haymitch's name was rigged to be called in the 75th. Because Haymitch needed to be outside of the arena for the rebellion to work, and he needed Katniss to trust and like him so he could keep her alive, and had promised to volunteer for Peeta, Haymitch was able to ensure that both names in the bowl were his own, or that Effie was instructed to pick him specifically, because Haymitch knew Peeta would volunteer. Had Cato won, the rebellion would probably have happened (this is more of a fanfic). I think that Cato came to a realisation about the horror of the games, and I think that he decided they needed to be stopped as he worked out what they were doing. Had he won, I imagine a Career who removed himself from the Capital glory would be a powerful image the rebellion would want to use and Snow would want to destroy, leading to the same events but with Cato in the Mockingjay role. Caesar was allowed to live after the rebellion. Though he was a key instrument against the rebellion in terms of propaganda, Caesar was also one of the few people from the Capital who was nice to any of the tributes, and I imagine he was able to talk his way into surviving along with some victors vouching for him.

[@nickgrondin5417]

I thought it was canon that Caesar was likely saved by the surviving Victors given he did all he could to help them in the games. Katniss says he does so during the interviewed during book 1.

[@octoberking4048]

My favorite theory is that Maude Ivory is Katniss' paternal grandmother, I dont think its too far fetched because they lived in the same area in the seam & while Im not sure if a beautiful signing voice is genetic, but if it is, it makes it all the more interesting if her dad is Maude Ivory's son. I also dont believe the Foxface theory simply becuase she was taking a reflex test during training, not plant identification. I do think she had knowledge about plants & was incredibly smart but Nightlock only grew around district 12, so the chances she knew what is was were slim. She might have read about it but thats still very unlikely as books arent super common in the districts. She had been stealing food from people during the entire games, I think it makes her death more fitting for the story if she died as an unknowing child, stealing food & hiding like a mouse, just furthering how tragic the games are.

[@nickgrondin5417]

I think it’s very much implied that Maude Ivory is Katniss’ grandmother. It all fits.

[@chevgage6210]

I would have loved the idea of coriolanus destroyed by his own grandchild, being how much he loves his grand daughter, but maude ivory has much stronger evidence of being related since katniss has maude's ability to memorize songs after hearing them once, and maude is the only way katniss could have learned the songs she knows from her dad, which must have been maudes son

[@samwitherington8202]

I personally think that a few of these (especially the Foxface one) are probably canon. However, heres my take on the rigged Reaping theory: I do think that Prim was intentionally reaped because of the fact that Katniss was illegally hunting animals and the Peacekeepers weren't doing anything to stop her. As a result, Prim was meant as a message to Katniss and Gale (and others who hunt etc). Katniss volunteering wasn't planned, but wasn't hated. An extra bit of punishment for Katniss. Either let her sister die or walk towards death herself. As for Peeta, I'd suggest that it was random, but potentially since hes among the wealthier in the district, he may have been reaped as a reminder to those in the power that even they are under the Capital's thumb. To an extent, I do think current events influence the Reaping, and the fact the Capital want interesting tributes to put on a show.

[@lodgin]

Ugh, I _really_ dislike theories that posits Katniss as a descendant of Lucy Grey. The original series already echoes a Chosen One storyline, but it's powerful because she's chosen by the people, not by a prophecy. Making her a descendant of Lucy Grey makes it seem like Katniss was fated to be in the Hunger Games, ie, was _actually_ a Chosen One. It just cheapens the story.

[@nickgrondin5417]

That’s where I think the idea that Maude Ivory is Katniss’ grandmother is far more realistic. It connects LGB and Katniss but removes the chosen one concept

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

I wanna seea video about all the potential ideas for what the original 75th Hunger Games Quarter Quell was meant to be, since we know it was changed so that Katniss would end up back into the arena. One of my personal theories is that the tributes would be reaped from any living family members of the victors within their respective district.

[@nmoney6655]

One thing about Snow and Lucy being Katniss’s grandparents: we don’t actually know what happened to Lucy Gray so even if she ran into the woods(which is highly unlikely) how could she survive giving birth to Katniss’s dad and why would he go back to District 12-the district that had a vengeance against Lucy Gray his mother?

[@Haley-ne6or]

This was a great idea for a video! I have to say I generally agree with you on almost all of them. I think another good point against the “Katniss was hijacked to love peeta” theory that wasn’t mentioned is that the tracker jacker venom specifically induces fear in a person. So even if it were possible for someone to be hijacked from three stings (which it wouldn’t, because the process that’s described in both the books and movies is very specific), it definitely wouldn’t cause positive emotions like love

[@bibbo3167]

10:20 I don’t think Katniss’ father was training her to be a Hunger Games Tribute, rather training her for a rebellion he knew was gonna come and maybe (he) had a part in

[@onyxtopaz7998]

The Foxface theory is entirely movie canon though. Before the release of the movie there was no such theory until they showed her doing the plant thing, which by the way, only shows her identifying the plants for like a second it doesn't actually mean she could do so. I consider it more of a foreshadowing of what her death will be. Also, regarding Thresh (and Foxface), at the end of the first book when they show recaps of the Games as Katniss and Peeta are interviewed after their victory, Katniss doesn't really mention something else happening on camera that she didn't think of. If someone else had killed Thresh or Foxface, I'd think she would say so

[@Bellatrixie98]

What I think about the "Snow and Lucy Gray having a Baby"-Theory is, that if they had S*x in the "Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes" it would have been mentioned. Even with the Panem series beeing YA and not going into details when Characters have S*x it would have been mentioned in Part 3 the only likley time for it to happen or after the dissapeering of Lucy Gray. No one not even Snow knows if she survived and i think he would have considered the possibilty of a pragnency, if they ever slept with each other. So it's highly unlikley for this Theory to be possible. Diving deeper in the "Coin is Lucys Daughter"-Theory, I don't say it's not possible Lucy had a Kid with another man than Snow but I don't think that Lucy Hated Snow I think if she felt anything for him then disappointment rather than anger, cause as we see in the book Lucy is not a violent person she expresses her anger in other ways and is not holding on to it.

[@genevievesavard782]

You’re right. if snow has slept with her, we (as the reader) would know. It would be another ´Snow land on top’ moment for him and would said that now Lucy Gray was totally his or something like that.

[@PercyJacksonIsDamAmazing]

20:07 "Oh shit, no no, oh god"

[@sash9868]

There's a pretty interesting Hunger Games theory video by the Super Carlin Brothers. The title is "The Hunger Games Master Plan". I would love to see you react to it such as you did to "Dumbledore's Big Plan".

[@Susannah.Morley]

my dad is convinced lucy grey and snow are katniss' grandparents and he won't accept anything else lol

[@Mimilikesstuff]

The worst one was the one about the revolutionary War being won by the British and then destroying Georgia... sounds like it was written by a bad AI program. The ones i like are that Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother, and that Finnick's games were what finally turned Tigris to the rebellion's side. I'm also kind of open to the "Lucy Gray is Greasy Sae" story line... she knew how to fish and forage. The covey went to the lake often. She could have possibly laid low in the woods, surviving with the help of the covey bringing her supplies as needed, until things cooled down. There were also rumors of people living in the woods "up north" which could have meant district 13, or it could have meant other small settlements that weren't noticed by the capitol. Just people in small groups, flying under the radar so to speak. Maybe she made it to some other village or encampment or whatever. Let's not forget, the covey was a band of travelers before they got rounded up into district 12. After she was older, and didn't look the same, and/or maybe once the mayor had died, she would have been able to go back... if no one recognized her, or if no one was looking for her anymore. I think it might be possible.

[@ashleysnyder2047]

There were a few of these where I was like, "Wait, that wasn't already confirmed to be canon?" lol.

[@lightningshy5287]

Long before Songbirds and Snakes came out, it was stated in canon that the (supposed) District 12 Victor that mentored Haymitch was the "only District 12 victor in history," and was described as a "man on the older side." Obviously now, this conflicts with Lucy Gray's existence. Whether Suzanne Collins is conscience of this or not, this apparent inconsistency can possibly be cleared up with a specific theory. I theorize that when Snow had eventually become President, he did whatever he could in his power to erase any and all memories of Lucy Gray ever existing. This would likely include instilling a false victor in her place to be a designated mentor for future District 12 tributes. This is substantiated by the fact that this mentor was suggested to have been "not been very much help" to the four tributes that were reaped for the 50th games. Furthermore, we already know that after Haymitch won his games; he was severely punished by Snow for the stunt he pulled with the force field. Coincidentally, the "victor" that mentored Haymitch died right around the same time as Haymitch's loved ones. This could suggest that Snow decided to kill this false victor as well so that Haymitch would be forced to be the sole mentor to all future tributes of 12; essentially adding insult to injury. This is possibly because Snow would surmise that the false victor would not really be mourned, and that it would only further his desire to make an example out of Haymitch for future victors.

[@davidfairweather3301]

This isn’t true at all. There is no line anywhere that gives details on the first district 12 victor before the prequel. All we had was “in district 12 history there has been exactly two” - Movie flame made a video yesrs where he said the first victor was a man but he either made it up or got the info from a fan site.

[@marionbaggins]

​@@davidfairweather3301and that was before BBS.

[@dannylagangonzalez6832]

With the theory regarding Lucy Grey being Coin, it wouldn't need coin to slow her aging, just for Katniss to be wrong about her age.

[@leafyveins4985]

Me, having a rainy, gloomy day: OH SH- NEW MOVIEFLAME HUNGER GAMES VIDEO! Today just got good!! Great video as always man

[@chayafigueroa5866]

The Thresh theory doesn’t make sense because Katniss eventually watched the 74th Games at the end of THG, and then in Mockingjay she brings up her killing Cato, Cato killing Thresh, and Thresh killing Clove. So she knew for sure and confirmed that it was Cato that killed Thresh

[@PrincessTiffie]

LOL - Thank you for leaving that dyslexic moment in the video. Not a day goes by where I don't misread something like that. I am somewhat dyslexic with pretty big-time ADHD. It is nice hearing someone else enjoying their misreads as I so often do. Great video. I think the reason so many believe that at least Prim was singled out to be a tribute was do to the way the movie portrayed the check in scene. I have toyed with some of the better theories (definitely not the Revolutionary War" theory) and came to the same conclusions you did.

[@the.scarlet_witch.official]

Maude Ivory being Katniss' Grandmother virtually feels Canon to me especially since the Hanging tree song was verrrry forbidden after LGB's first and only public performance, and we're told so many times how gifted Maude Ivory was with music, especially remembering songs. I have a theory about LGB's fate after she escaped snow, but wounded, involving Dr Gaul but will keep it to myself 😊

[@ianwilkes435]

I don’t know about the snow part, but I think there is almost certainly some sorta family connection between Lucy Gray and Katniss

[@propandapower7633]

I think a member of the Covey, Maude Ivory or Lucy especially, but really any of them, HAVE to be one of Katniss’ dad’s parents.

[@ArtWithDonuts]

I love this channel SO much! Harry Potter, the Hunger Games and Percy Jackson are my favourites, and you’re so knowledgeable about all the books and movies!

[@Tomdoeslife_oui]

Katnisses dad had ties to the covey, because he knew the hanging tree song and it is very likely that Maude ivory or someone else from the covey is his parent

[@Rose-rv1zo]

7:42 This theory actually makes sense. Because so many people died for Katniss and she was in such a terrible mental state, it may've been decided she couldn't deal with her childhood friends death so, to spare her another death on her concience, it was agreed to pretend he was live and well.

[@ChanBang-bm9ci]

Sure, but like… I don’t get the purpose of the theory. You could say that about anyone really, like what the basis of it? Why would Gale be killed in 2? I know it’s a theory but I don’t see any basis in it or see what that would add

[@Rose-rv1zo]

@@ChanBang-bm9ci True, I meant he got killed before 2 in the explosion that killed Prim and the whole 2 thing was made up to spare Katniss. I just think it's possible due to the vagueness of his job and him not even saying goodbye to Katniss. Of course, this could be viewed as in character which is probably correct I'm just saying this theory is possible.

[@ChanBang-bm9ci]

@@Rose-rv1zo that’s even worse… how the hell would Gale get killed in the explosion that killed prim when Katniss literally talks to him weeks later when she pulls him up for it? They do say goodbye even if it isn’t a good one, they have that whole conversation of why Gale never went to see her after Prim died and how if the double explosion was his bombs and he says that he doesn’t know but it doesn’t matter since he’ll always be associated with it and then he says goodbye to her. Greasy Sae also says that Gale is on tv all the time in district 2 and that Katniss can go watch it to see him, the theory just doesn’t make sense at all I’m sorry 😭

[@Senacacrane]

I love this channel. You are one of my favorite KZbinrs. I've spent many nights just sitting and listening to your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@Alexander-gl3fj]

Tysm Morgan. I was have been watching you since COVID and you have keep making me happy watching your vids

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Amazing video of hunger games theories,fantastic job.

[@OpticalSenses]

Goated channel, Serious though you are my favorite Channel, keep up the great work

[@landrewbeam561]

The reason I think that the Lucy and Snow are Katniss grandparents holds pretty well mainly because of the songs Katniss father teaches her. Lucy never preforms “The Hanging Tree” and Katniss father teaches her Lucy’s people songs. Music is much more important in the books and really seems to connect Katniss to Lucy in someway.

[@1SonOfAthena1]

I love these video because you're like the book theory I always wanted and never had. Thank you Morgan.

[@fahimhasan22]

I always wanted team theorist to make a "book theorist" channel.

[@1SonOfAthena1]

@@fahimhasan22 Yeah same

[@BellaEditzXx]

For the theory about Lucy and Snow being Katniss grandparents I do think it’s possible as Lucy wrote the hanging tree song and Katniss said her dad sung it to her , not many people other than snow actually heard the song and maybe when Lucy had the child ( katniss dad)/ she sung it to him which would explain how she knew the song

[@TheExhaustipatedBookworm]

Thank you for expanding my knowledge on my favorite franchises and books, especially Harry Potter.

[@nicoleg2544]

Lucy and Snow can’t be Katniss‘s grandparents because the book is from Snow’s point of view, and if the two of them had ever been intimate, he probably wouldn’t shut up about it

[@1SonOfAthena1]

Your THG videos made me read them. And I love them.

[@04nbod]

Remember in the film the little girl at the zoo is all 'I love your dress'? Tigris may have perpetuated the style trend but I think the trend for colour comes from Lucy Gray herself and the impact she had on the next generation. As Olivia Rodrigo puts it, she's in the trees, she's in the breeze, the footsteps all around... she's everywhere and nowhere and it drives Coryo mad.

[@Troy_Palo24]

I think with the district 11 is more that they face more brutal fighting and challenges in their everyday life causing them to already be desensitized to violence and death as well as gaining a higher level of skill around fighting from their environment

[@HoopsAficionado]

I don't think Fox Face k1lled herself. She was a survivalist. She just started to starve once the careers' supply pile was blown up because she wasn't much of a hunter or gatherer. Moreover, its perfectly plausible for her to be competent yet not recognise night lock or know it to be poisonous.

[@booooooooooookkkkkkks]

20:03 thats probably the best part of the whole video. And your realization of what you said is and will forever be amazing.

[@v1v1d1ty]

always love your videos movieflame!!

[@fionarodgers4806]

About the “Lucy Gray is Coin’s mother”, I think that something they left out was how Coin knew how to get in Snow’s head with mockingjays, and Katniss (who obviously reminds him of Lucy Gray).

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁

[@matteoairaghi790]

I just finished my re-read of the first book and this video comes out. I'd say perfect timing!

[@Kanakeikatsuo]

Movie flame your a inspiration for me creating my own channel and uploading my own content love your content btw

[@Ogloserlol]

Hey I have a question for you Movieflame- Would you ever do videos on The Maze Runner or even divergent? Or are you just not really interested in those stories

[@HannahMaxwell-xg7vr]

This would be so cool

[@CEC_DG]

In Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes (the book) there was a moment where Lucy sings in the forest and the birds go quiet. Hunger Games had only two other people able to do this, Katniss and her father. Hmm🤔, I wonder what Suzanne was implying with this little detail?

[@3verlqrk]

Wait that is true

[@marionbaggins]

​@@3verlqrkyep.

[@teamsteed1]

Thank you for posting the video.

[@Giveuponyourdreamsanddie2]

12:18 i like supercarlinbrothers theory on why tigris turned against president snow and helped the rebellion

[@amandae1816]

I will die on the hill of Lucy Gray being Katniss’ paternal grandmother. Idk about Snow being the grandfather [I think it cane after she escaped] but there are so many similarities between the two that Katniss said came from her father that my mind is convinced. Would also explain Snow’s fear of Katniss and what she would mean for the future of Panem

[@elijaaaah]

i think prim and peeta were reaped on purpose but i think every tribute is reaped on purpose, peeta and prim wouldve been roughly the same age as thresh and rue which couldve made an entertaining dynamic. I don’t think that it was specifically peeta and prim, but more “Oh we’ll take a 16 year old boy and a 12 year old girl from 12, two 15 year olds from 5, a 13 year old boy from 6” and so on and so forth, not picking specific individuals but rigging it for the dynamic that it would provide since it is just one big reality tv show after all

[@e.tthehuman7222]

A twist on the one with Katniss' dad training her for the games, I have one that links with his good natured personality. He trained Katniss to hunt and to be able to survive the games as he knew that he could die in the mines for whatever reason (which does eventually happen) and he wanted to make sure that Katniss would be able to support the family and knowing that she would opt for tesserae, wanted to make sure that she would have a much higher chance of winning the games and returning home to take care of Prim and her mother. I think this makes the theory line up with the canon much better, what does everyone else think?

[@ChanBang-bm9ci]

I mean I personally don’t think it’s much of theory, I think he was just training Katniss for survival. Since he is a miner and accidents happen, he can’t have his children not be able to take care of themselves with the world they live it. I don’t think it’s any kind of theory.

[@awseven1144]

I think another reason I don’t really but the theory that Cinna bought Katniss is because Katniss and Peeta were sold to the public as these star crossed lovers, so I feel either people wouldn’t be interested for that purpose or it would be bad for Snow’s image if it got out he was forcing the beloved couple into something so horrible.

[@annadoingrandomthings9066]

wait I thought because the hunger games was in the future, the rising sea levels made everything else underwater and that part of North America is all that remained?

[@charleybartelmay5469]

That revolutionary war one is so bad their own evidence doesn’t even line up with the history of the colonies before the war. At the time of the Revolutionary War westward expansion had not reached the Rockies from a British/colonial perspective. The fact that snow’s title is president and not emperor or king also would point to a post apocalyptic US not British Empire. That might be the worst theory of any series I’ve ever heard.

[@elliottgreenwood644]

I think they should make another book and/or film revolving around young Snow, Tigress, and Lucy Grey. As even though at the end of BOBAS, showed the beginnings of the Snow we see in the main series, there have to be more developments and probably moments he wrestled with his conscious about what he is doing. With Tigress, they should show more of them falling apart. It's a big step (and a long time) from Snow starting to be like his father to Finnick being rented out to make her want to have her own cousin killed. And I doubt she didn't try to stop him from going too far either. And with Lucy Grey Baird. Even though her disappearance is a good ending for her, I doubt she did nothing and/or died by the end of the Hunger Games story or that Snow did nothing in trying to find her.

[@zacheast8830]

Great video! I’m usually here for some good Harry Potter videos but I saw the title and had to click. Love the channel hope you’re doing well!

[@JustACactus616]

Careers didn’t exist until I wanna say game 20. So 1, 2, 4, and 11 are probably just listing the strongest and best suited candidates

[@alexbrooks6998]

Love your content! Did you ever do part 2 to live action version of avatar?

[@arcticshark1808]

I like to think Lucy Grey never married or had children she simply disappeared, maybe even died. Her disappearance with nothing but her songs left to remember her, and even then, her name has been lost. This means she is only remembered through song birds A second theory I have is the reason district 12 kids are in school is so that they won't have the training or experience in the arena and that this was put into effect by Snow because he hated the district and his memories of it. By making the kids educated, it means most will be killed in the blood bath, it's very lucky that katniss and Peta had skills because they were an extreme minority in 12

[@cazyjohn2005]

i agree with you, I also think Lucy Grey never married or had children due to what happened between her and Snow. I think Snow has love and hate for District 12 due to Lucy Grey.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

I can see Tigress having a protective side for teenage boys, since that was as old as Snow got before she started to hate him. She didn’t seem to see his slow progression into evil the way the reader does, or that he has signs that he had hints of selfishness and manipulation in the beginning, seeing him as her sweet little cousin until it became obvious that he was evil. So maybe she saw Coreo and President Snow almost as different people. So the man she came to hate was sexualizing and abusing young boys like the one she used to love. (He’s very much the same person, but without the benefit of mind reading, it could seem like he changed beyond recognition.) And it made her just want to get rid of that thing that used to be her cousin.

[@nikolayanakiev8852]

I wanted to say that your videos inspire me, but I am from a small country (Bulgaria) and whenever someone sees my comment warms my heart. And I may be little, but I know much things. I felt proud with the video about Krum. ❤

[@yearlongbeet2]

“Panem doesnt use drones” Ballad of songbirds and snakes: hold my beer

[@alight_everdeen]

i LOVE your videos

[@catlover5998]

In my opinion if Katniess was/is related to Lucy Gray it would be Lucy Gray family member mention in the book. After Lucy disappeared they married someone in 12 and later had Katniess father. Also Lucy Gray family member hand down what they knew to Katniess father. Then Katniess father hand down his knowledge to Katniess

[@TheSureferboy]

Great video

[@JeanneYapper]

It's maternal grandparents, 'cause if it were paternal, her last nae would not be Everdeen.

[@marionbaggins]

It's Paternal...She marrying someone else.

[@BoyFromBelgium99]

*My opinion on all 25 fan theories in this video:* 1. Like mentioned in this video Cinna had probably not the rank to buy Katniss. It's very unlikely to me too. 2. Very possible due to issues with crops that the district went from a capital favorite to a controlled district. 3. Yes, Panem has child labor. District 11 and probably most others have them, schools are likely until 12 years old. 4. Lucy Gray & Alma Coin have nothing in common and it would make more sense if Alma was from a District 13 family. 5. Tresh was probably killed by Cato or the storm/lightning strike where they were in the arena. It wasn't purposely done. 6. Lucy Gray & Katniss have nothing in common except for the song. Her father was a descendant of someone who heard the song. 7. Gale isn't death but got a life in District 2 with the new government in Panem. In the movie he became Military Captain. 8. Foxface ate the berries even though she knew they were poisonous because she would've died from starvation anyways. 9. Katniss' life wasn't manufactured. Only when she won the 75th Hunger Games she became a symbol. 10. Any person that isn't chosen for the Hunger Games works. In higher ranks like District 1, 2 & 4 becoming Peacekeeper is likely. 11. Tigris just followed the 2nd rebellion on the news and helped Squad 451 when they were in the capitol. Nothing more. 12. It's hard to place the series down in an exact timeframe because of technology etc. It's in the near future probably. 13. AI wasn't likely around when Panem was founded. As seen in Ballads & Songbirds' technology, AI wasn't around yet. 14. Lucy Gray can't be Alma Coin because Lucy was 16 in the 10th Hunger Games, meanwhile Alma was in her 50s. 15. Katniss loved Peeta on her own accord, she didn't need anyone or something for that. 16. It's likely there was other life on Earth before Panem but I think it's very likely the other continents have no lives left on them. 17. It's possible but it's also possible it really was Snow and so it could be either of them. 18. Peeta & Prim were chosen randomly, Effie just picked 2 cards and name the boy & girl's name on them. 19. It's likely but again, there are probably other people who fit the description of who heard the song and lived in District 12. 20. Tigris probably just didn't have contact with her nephew because of the 10th Hunger Games and focused on her designs. 21. Snow likely was the inspiration for the first Quarter Quell. We'll likely find out in the future what happened to him exactly. 22. It makes no sense the capital would test the districts with the Hunger Games. It's a punishment and everyone knows that. 23. Lucy Gray was 16 in the 10th Hunger Games. She must've been 79-80 in the 74th. Greasy Sae was 72-73. 24. It's likely Plutarch chose the arena for Finnick and it's capabilities with water. It's also implied by Katniss. 25. It's possible she got some inspiration for her designs from Lucy Gray but we speak over a period of 63 years, a lot can happen.

[@Firepuma27]

I think Lucy Gray is Katniss's paternal grandmother because the books describe her with olive skin and dark hair akin to Lucy in contrast to her fair skinned sister (Lucy's cousin may have been her maternal grandmother) and her father was blessed with a good singing voice, a trait that may have passed down from her or Katniss was created through a selective breeding program making her a clone of Lucy Gray and an easy pawn for the uprising in book 3.

[@anitahuang7128]

Lucy Grey has the same bow in the movie as Katniss

[@kyleehegel4712]

The berries that killed Foxface were native to the outside of district 12, which is why Peeta didn't recognize them, so it's unlikely that Foxface knew

[@Katkatkat0713]

I once heard someone say, i think snow was in love with Katniss. Wtf

[@maytalacedo2942]

This is interesting theories from my favorite book series.

[@LennyM-hu1yo]

The lightning one makes sense until you realize that Katniss and Peeta saw a recap of their vames after they won and in Catching Fire after, Katniss says Cato kills Thresh

[@blakekaveny]

Coin proposed a games using the capitals children. I think it would be interesting to see a theory as to show that would’ve worked. Like since they didn’t have districts would they just randomly reap 24 kids or divide them up some how. Also who would do it. Like I’ve always imagined Beetee would’ve been head game maker. Or at least Beetee would’ve assisted Plutarch. But it also would’ve been interesting to see what skills the capital children had. Now I would imagine some of them could fight since some of them would have parents that are peace keepers. Also some would probably have some sense of like sowing having parents who are stylists. But I can’t imagine very many would know how to hunt or fish or build a fire those kinds of things since they would probably never have to. Also what would they have made the area like. Also would they have given them mentors. Since they only had 7 living victors at the time would they each have mentored several or would they have been in their own. Also what about training. Like in the first book the tributes go through training to show off and hone their skills would they have let the capital children do that. Also would they still have done the skills test in which they score them from 1-12. Also given the fact that snow has granddaughter would they have rigged the reaping so she got picked no matter what as a way to punish snows family even though he’d be dead.

[@fredkaanapu8693]

Legit fell over laughing when you said "oh g*d"😂😂😂

[@beithrr]

i like to think that katniss' father and lucy gray baird are SOMEHOW related - lucy is the one who sang the hanging tree (later forbidden by snow) and katniss' father sings it to her while she makes a rope necklace

[@user-fl2ux3kt4t]

Also on the theory of Lucy gray became Greasy Sae, that is impossible because they have to take your blood in order to stand by the justice building for the reaping. They would take her blood during the quarter quell and see that it is Lucy. No matter how much she aged or any modifications. Her blood would be the same.

[@blakekaveny]

Do they take everyone blood. I thought they only took the blood of the people who might be tributes. It’s been a while since I’ve read the book but in the first movie Kat is tells prim they have take a finger prick and so it seems like prim hasn’t experienced before which makes me believe it’s only the eligible kids that have to do it.

[@Byrd50]

can you make a harry potter video going over who would in a fight and do like a bracket? and mention me in the video?

[@ameliaaksjsjnxnsuwbxnjsnsx]

a theory that just came to mind is that you said in your video is there is a possibility that snow Gould have been head gamemaker to the second quarter quell, and in Catching fire book we know that in the arena everything was poison, the flowers could kill you if you get to close to them, the butterfly and most of the food and is it a coincidence that snow poisoned everyone to get ahead?