REACTION After Playing Star Wars Legion 2.0

Daren & Tyler have a couple games under their belt, and as promised they have a reaction video to share.
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[@Deathelement53]

I love love love that everyone and their dog is calling it 2.0 I don't know what they are smoking at amg to not just call it what it is

[@Nevets1073]

I was afraid that it would play more like the current edition of Warhammer 40k. I'm glad you enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to relearning it. I will say that there are a couple things about calling it a new edition that probably led them to not call it that. First, most of the staff at AMG that are responsible for this game are former Privateer Press staff. They've seen a lot of really bad things in their time there with regards to WM Mk II and Mk III. Lots of player vitriol and anger. So I can understand them being shy about using the term "new/2nd edition". Second, whenever a game goes into a new edition and that is announced ahead of time, sales drop for the company. New players are told to wait and see "what's good in the new edition" and for games like Warhammer, sometimes units are just relegated to a "legends" status and are removed from all but the most open and narrative gamers. My understanding with X-Wing is that when they rolled out 2nd edition they didn't release anything new for established players. They released the upgrade kits but then went back and started releasing the original ships first. That stalled out established players from buying very much and led to the game's decline from one of the most popular games out there to where it was when AMG got it. I think that AMG should have just called this Legion 2nd edition because they didn't announce it way ahead of time. They put out all the information to play the new edition early, they're hotfixing issues as they arise, and early next year we'll see the first units released that were built specifically for this new edition. To me it's not the same thing as when MK III came out for Warmachine (that was pretty awful as both a player and a Press Ganger), nor is it anything like when GW announces a new edition of 40K or Age of Sigmar. With those instances, there is a waiting period that led to declining sales. I think that a lot of new players are going to wait to pick up Core Units like Rebel Troopers or Stormtroopers because they'll want the new cool sculpts in hard plastic, but I don't anticipate a marked decrease in sales. This is really long, sorry for talking so much. Have a good one guys and may you make all your cover saves, Daren!

[@ThreeFootGood]

You should create a KZbin channel Steve!

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

Thanks for making this video, really happy to have found your channel.

[@ThreeFootGood]

Glad to be of service!

[@czarvak9186]

Glad you are here

[@darenvampaemel1574]

Welcome!

[@StylishJedi]

We played yesterday. It’s much better. Rebels are finally viable! It’s faster, it’s more exciting, smaller units can do more now, vehicles are so fun..! Many activations are more important than ever which sucks. Because grabbing objectives you can do with anything BUT whoever has “most leaders” (unit leaders) at a capture point gets the points… so the more units you have that can stand by POI’s the more points you will score each round starting round 2

[@keithcompton6916]

As you guys did we'll reserve our judgement until we've played about 10 games. I've been into legion since the start.

[@paladinsas9078]

I played a fantastic game with a very good friend of mine... and I'm in love... also, my god does my boy Captain Rex absolutely slap

[@joesleboda7200]

First off, this is the first of your videos I've watched. I'll be watching more. I appreciated your level-headed analysis. I agree. It's a new edition, and that's not a bad thing. Good on you. That said... Fewer. Fewer dice. Fewer saves. Fewer. Not less. Fewer. ;)

[@czarvak9186]

welcome to the party!

[@ThreeFootGood]

That's a great observation. Thanks! I'll try to remember that while we're filming.

[@joshuapicaro8726]

I appreciate the optimism

[@johaadganor1684]

I do hope, that when the wave 2 of the updated cards come out, there is a bigger pool of missions/secondary/perks. They prob released these the way they did so its not TOO much all at once.

[@ThreeFootGood]

That's a good point.

[@GamerAddictFrank]

Great video, and I wish more channels would stop the doom and gloom and play the freakin game and give it a chance.

[@CREATEminis]

Another solid video. Kudos gentlemen

[@darenvampaemel1574]

Thank you my friend

[@stravblardo2624]

Thanks for the overview. I haven’t played yet but I like all the changes on paper. Forcing the conflict earlier due to how scoring works now appeals to me. Also, early conflicts lead to early deaths which makes games quicker… which was my main issue with Legion. Plus, games ending as soon as you score 12 means you don’t have to play the whole game out for missions to resolve. Seems much better for tournaments

[@freezerlettuce]

The full art side of the card has the info for building the list the other side has the information for playing the game. You shouldn't need to see what upgrades a unit can take or the point cost of that unit during a game.

[@czarvak9186]

But I keep them in sleeves so when building I won't see the back. Though it is minor inconvenience as I usually use TableTop Admiral for it.

[@reeper-vw2pc]

I’ll be at LVO this year I hope to play yall in the legion tournament

[@darenvampaemel1574]

Nice! I hope to see you there

[@shaunkrogulski9619]

I have played one game so far. It is definitely different. I will reserve judgement until I get more games in. I think the comparison to 40k is more to do with the lethality of the game now not so much the mechanisms of how you play though there are some similarities there.

[@kingbobb007]

Sure, prior games were no more than 6 rounds, but many games were over by 4. So while there are fewer potential actions in a game, actual actions likely will be about the same or even be greater

[@jasons5381]

You mentioned something about deflect wiping a squad, just wanted to make sure you saw deflect is limited to 1 wound max for the attackers now.

[@czarvak9186]

Correct. he blanked when I shot a BX squad wiping them. Next roll all paint vs maul with a surge killing 1 mini.

[@kokozula]

In previous version of the game if you made mistakes turn 0 or turn 1, you had time to correct them. Now if your opponent has more points it is very hard to come back in the game. The fewer units you have, the less points you will score.

[@kokozula]

I have played 1 game of 2.6, Yoda and Anakin (it is on my channel)... if Yoda does Guidance, he will be in the middle of the board at the end of round 3, so is not worth it to play 235 points for a unit which works just 2 rounds... and that speed-1 usually ends in the open... ... just my 2 cents

[@darenvampaemel1574]

@@kokozula I'll have to check out your channel

[@kokozula]

@@darenvampaemel1574 I played against 112 b1 battle droids, still managed to kill more than half forgetting about tempted and stuff, but this is a different game! I completely agree with your video.

[@czarvak9186]

​@@kokozulachecking out your channel today. I think Yodas power will come from him giving your power players extra actions. Sure he isn't there but if Anakin is swinging turn one....I could be what you need to delete units to even the activation count

[@kokozula]

@@czarvak9186 I was more focused on the rules than on winning. I had to learn a new game lol

[@HeinrichDaHammer]

I have not yet gotten around to trying out a match, but I am quite eager, what I did find quite strange, I usually ran around 10 to 12 activations with my CIS b1 army. That number is still the same even though so many things went down in price and the maximum points went up. Not being able to take my BX sniper squad without the rest of the squad is a bit different, but let's see how they roll.

[@ruas4721]

Thanks for this openminded analysis, realy enjoyable video. Its good to see some people being positive about the new "edition". The immature way a lot of people deal with it, even bigger youtubers like Fifth Trooper, is so sad. I played a few games. Actually i had fun too, but there are some points im not the biggest fan of. The biggest problem for me are the missions. They are fine, but play all the same way, thats a little bit boring. Also it forces you to play a distinct kind of list every game. With that im realy not happy. But i like most of the other rule changes, "transport" feels a little bit strange to me.

[@RyanEdwardsVA]

Love to hear your thoughts, but most of all love the insistence of "you have to try it for yourself." So much negativity on the internet, but it's refreshing to hear a levelheaded take and to remind concerned folks that you can't really know a game until you've played it. Good stuff!

[@ThreeFootGood]

Thanks Ryan! Glad so many people are enjoying this content.

[@StylishJedi]

Second edition X-Wing fixed lots of exploits that were ridiculous, I’m sure he’s talking about one of those…

[@deanwilsbacher2872]

2.6*

[@christopherbyrd5818]

It sounds to me like you both are trying to convince yourselves more than the audience. I personally think that this is the end of this game. A.M.G were supposed to be the breath of fresh air for this IP and instead they have just botched all of it. On the other side of the pond you have GW botching their games as well. Ive been supporting tabletop games since 1990 and maybe Im just jaded. Who knows. God bless

[@ThreeFootGood]

I think you're right Christopher. Daren even said it out loud in the first video. He started out wanting to hate the changes, but he's giving it a chance, and he's already seeing things he likes. Daren and I have been playing tabletop games since the early 80's, and Tyler since the 90's. We've seen many changes in games just like you. You could always sell all your Legion stuff and find a new game if you want. We've all done that too, believe me! You might actually enjoy this new Legion if you give it a shot though?

[@liltwistofcaine]

Deployment is just dumb now. Already gave up on this game, it’s boring as hell and you need a laptop to cross reference keywords. The game is bad.