Reaction, Star Trek: TNG, 4x22, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S4ep22

[@michellepeters7066]

R.I.P. David Ogden Stiers! ♥️

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

I did like that they made one of the readouts 4077. Clearly visible even on the crappy 14" CRT TV I watched this on first time around.

[@jonathanross149]

I have been a fan of his for a very long time. M*A*S*H and Better Off Dead.

[@philipabelanet5476]

David Ogden Stiers is so good, he elevates everyone around him. This is absolutely Majel Barrett's best performance as Mrs. Troi.

[@daniellanctot6548]

💯 David was equally great in his 1 episode role on the show Frasier.

[@sharkdentures3247]

He was also excellent in Dead Zone. (and MASH)

[@makasete30]

He was also good in Stargate Atlantis as the head replicator.

[@coeusdarksoul2855]

First knew him as Charles Emerson Winchester III from M*A*S*H* and loved his career ever since. He had such a gravitas and presence, and his voice was pure golden liquid when it hits the ear. I've so much love and respect for the characters that he helped craft and bring to life. If you guys liked him you should absolutely look at M*A*S*H* - it was such an impossibly good show and touched on some absolutely heartbreaking topics but still had this great humor and (especially in the middle-to-later seasons) genuine camaraderie that you can believe they were real people doing a real thing (and not just because it's based on a real major event with stories taken from actual reports & records).

[@adamlove3295]

This episode marked the transition from, "Lwaxana is always comedy relief" to "Lwaxana might be here for yuks or she might be here to rip your guts out and leave you a snotty mess and you don't know which kind of episode this will be 'til you watch it." Majel Barrett showed she had range and depth and going forward, Berman & the gang were there for it.

[@eberwald4438]

This is the episode that made me love Lwaxana, after years of annoyaqnce/comic relief. ❤

[@bemasaberwyn55]

Majel was a Gem

[@rafetizer]

She absolutely sells it here.

[@ssjwes]

My father had the same mentality as these people. He never wanted someone to take care of him if he was sick and dying. I took care of him the last couple years of his life before he passed on. After telling him over and over I was perfectly happy doing so he finally accepted my care of him. Not before trying to take his life once. Luckily I was able to stop him before he did. As I said later he accepted my help and stopped worrying about me. Before he passed he said he never felt as close to me as he did during our time together going through all of that. Those words filled my heart with so much joy. That alone made all the burden and trials I went through with him worth it. He was also a life long ST fan and is the reason I love sci fi as much as I do. We were in the middle of rewatching TNG again just a couple episodes before this one when he passed away. This episode hits me pretty hard.

[@malcolmandpenelope]

Thanks for sharing this story, for giving your father the depth of love, empathy, and service that connected you though those hard-but-profound last years, and for the intimacy of the connection to this episode. Wishing you good things in life through the aether.

[@daphneglasurus7886]

Thank you for sharing this, what a valuable lesson.

[@andymccurdy5029]

i love how Luaxana knows Picard is tryin to avoid her but still takes it as a compliment hes thinking of her

[@RedKytten]

This is a difficult one for me. I have lived for years with a condition that has left me in growing and consistent pain, and restricted (in the best of times) to a single floor in a chronic care hospital. I have watched myself waste away, and there are times that I can hardly even sit up. For years, I have wanted to just go home, spend what time I have left with my loved ones, and let the end come. But so many friends and family have been so against it, and have used very manipulative and underhanded methods to force my hand that I have just had to accept that this is what my life is going to be. I know that they are doing it from a place of love, just as she was in this episode here... but it still is placing your own desires over the other persons. And before anyone says anything, I realize my situation is very different but there are enough similarities that this episode still hits me hard.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

I'm very much a proponent of "assisted suicide" like it is practiced in Switzerland or The Netherlands. If a person has no prospect of ever getting better, and this can be something as "simple" as Alzheimers" then there is simply a moment at which each and everyone should have the right to decide when it ends, before they have no capability to clearly express that wish any longer.

[@wizardlyweirdo1196]

I'll disagree with your analysis of the episode. I'm pro-euthanasia myself but I think that it requires that the person make the decision of their own volition and of sound mind. In this case, Timicin is somewhat coerced by public opinion. His planet and his culture are pushing this choice upon him and I think it took very little coaxing from Lwaxana to sway him. I don't think he really did want this. He just didn't want to let his daughter down.

[@sirequinox4874]

You two are really smart. I am extremely impressed with your analysis of this episode.

[@walther007]

David Allen Ogden Stiers played Major Winchester in the series, M.A.S.H. While mostly a comedy, that series has some very serious topics and he has a few choice episodes where you may up crying again. (He doesn't come in till half-way through the series.) As a young teenager growing up with TNG and overall a big Star Trek now that I'm much older, there has always been a special place in my heart for M.A.S.H.

[@desmondgriffin8479]

Don't warn Katrina about upcoming sadness in an episode. Let her experience it like everyone else did when they first saw these episodes.

[@daniellanctot6548]

I second the motion!

[@GaZZuM]

"Science fiction is an existential metaphor, that allows us to tell stories about the human condition. Isaac Asimov once said: "Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today - but the core of science fiction, its essence, has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all." - Grell, Wormhole X-Treme

[@bemasaberwyn55]

The IMMEASURABLE Isaac Hayes

[@daniellanctot6548]

“That is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence.” ... 🤫😜👍

[@shallendor]

AS someone that has seen the effects of Alzheimer's on people, i can see both sides of this topic! One of the best things about the characters in Star Trek, is that they aren't just one trait, Luzwanna proved that in this episode!

[@Calzaki]

Until you get to Voyager, then even if its the wrong answer it all gets solved by the end of 42 minutes

[@colonelquack]

I had to check the dates. Lorerunner is probably more versed in this nuance than I. Gene Roddenberry died October 24, 1991. The air date for this episode was May 6, 1991. Fairly good chance Gene's health was already failing, and Majel was drawing on some personal emotions in this episode.

[@michaelramsey1299]

Was actually about to say the same thing he most certainly was in poor health and likely knew his time was coming giving even more weight to the scene where she’s questioning why she wants him to carry on living for his sake or for hers. She had most likely wrestled with that same question many times with Gene as well.

[@1nelsondj]

This was a great role for David Ogden Stiers who I knew growing up as Maj. Winchester on "M*A*S*H" who was almost always unlikable. Here he was sympathetic. I just read he died 3 years ago and now my eyes are leaking. We also got to see Michelle Forbes on the show for the 1st time but not the last.

[@CarrotFlowers421]

Except for that scene he listens to the recording of his wife stuttering, with tears in his eyes 🥺

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Ohh...I don't know how I ever forget this one, when thinking of the major tearjerker episodes. David Ogden Stiers & Majel really killed it. Both should have gotten awards for their performances.

[@rantandroll7583]

If you love someone, set them free. Honor their beliefs even if you disagree. If you don't then you don't really love them. Lwaxana even questions herself, decides love is respect, and goes to his ceremony to honor him. Great "actionless" episode. No spatial anomalies, intruders, memory loss or gained abilities. Solid. David Ogden Stiers was in M*A*S*H. Great actor.

[@rafetizer]

Can't help but recall Stiers somberly playing that jazz record before he breaks it.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

This was a turning point in TNG. People talk about the golden age of Trek, it is my opinion that from the beginning of season 3 to this point Trek found it's voice....but this is the moment when that age began. There is so much AMAZING stories that have been produced in the last 30 years under the Trek name, and I believe this is the point when Trek went from the goofiness of most of the TOS/TAS era to the raw powerhouse that Trek has become at 55. And I say this as someone who like Paula had this as my introduction to the Trek franchise. Also we have to remember that Majel had to fight to get the recognition of the POWERHOUSE of an actress that she was.

[@kschneyer]

Michelle Forbes, I agree, is amazing. I agree with Paula that her later Trek acting was stupendous. She also did an episode of the new Outer Limits (second season, first episode) -- "A Stitch in Time" -- in which she tore my heart out.

[@Mokkari77]

I get his planet being pissed. It's like "We've all had to see our loved ones kill themselves and you want to opt out like 'Nah, not for me! Seeya suckers!'?"

[@adambrown3918]

My dad went to music school with David Ogden Stiers at Julliard back in the day. He said he was a really great guy! 😊👍

[@edh9999]

I love what they did with Lwaxana Troy over the years. Obnoxious and annoying one moment, and then she will turn around and become the kindest, sweetest soul in the galaxy.

[@confusedmagicduckenthusias4774]

Her friendship with Odo in DS9 is so wholesome.

[@Who-Am-I...]

Fun Fact: David Ogden Stiers did alot of work for Disney. He was.. Cogsworth in Beauty and the Beast Jumba in Lilo and Stitch Gov. Radcliffe & Wiggins in Pocahontas As well as many more

[@empirejeff]

Rod Serling wrote a script called the happy place.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

This was the first episode I showed my Ex to introduce her to TNG. She loved it and we started it watching regularly. And she was someone who generally disliked spending evenings watching TV. She thought it was a waste of time, which it most definately often is. This show show however became an exception.

[@sharkdentures3247]

The best stories are the ones that present an issue as fairly & unbiasedly as possible, and then allow the AUDIENCE to decide which "side" (or choice) is the Correct one. Shows like Babylon 5 & TNG were quite good at doing that. Sadly, most modern creations prefer to DICTATE to, or LECTURE an audience instead. Essentially TELLING them what they are SUPPOSED to think. Which degenerates into propaganda, instead of story-telling, social commentary & fiction. THIS episode hits a VERY sensitive subject. (moreso today, for me, with my Mother passing from Dementia a couple years ago) And presents ALL sides of an issue, showing the merits & flaws of BOTH sides. And even in the resolution (no pun intended) of the episode, it doesn't TELL you that the way it ended was Right or Wrong. (it just "Is") Quality show, quality reaction.

[@tristanrose1343]

Exactly why I love classic Trek and cant stand the CBS stuff.

[@Cuthalu]

This. There's a stark difference between TNG and new trek in how they handle these kind of situations.

[@bninem1397]

I forgot how emotion this one was, it hits even harder now

[@brianperkins2527]

Thank you for this. I have loved and forgotten about this episode and it was nice to revisit it with you.

[@lemonherb1]

I haven't watched this episode since it originally aired so I totally forgot that Michelle Forbes was in this. I totally loved her character in Battlestar Galactica as well, so I hope you guys have an opportunity to watch that show, as it has great characters and stories, and Ron D. Moore who did a ton of Star Trek work ran that show as well.

[@jrobwoo688]

This episode reminded me of an episode of The Orville. And now I gotta go watch that. Great reaction, Ladies.

[@pr0_gabby656]

Thought provoking, emotional episodes like this are what made TNG the treasure that it was. It always saddened me that the movies had to be more action oriented. I guess that’s why Insurrection is my favorite TNG movie. Because it is more like a good episode. I’m 52 and this series means so much to me. It’s great to see your reactions and perspectives all these years later. You’re good people. I’m happy to see that these stories still hold up. I hope that you’re able to finish the series.

[@daniellanctot6548]

Lwaxana Troi is one of those complicated characters which many love, many hate, many love to hate and many more hate to love; many find funny, many more dread to ever meet someone like her and many more still KNOW someone like her. But regardless of what anyone thought of her: This episode either made you love her even more than before; or love her for the very first time. (A wonderful social debate about social taboos and values around growing old, quality of life and assisted suicide: Star Trek at its most complex and its very best level of exploration of humanity)

[@johnnycharco]

I've been waiting, very patiently, for you gals to watch this episode, it is one of my favourites. I love seeing your reactions to Star Trek and I knew this one was going to be a doozy.

[@Tuning_Spork]

KATRINA: Just put on gobs of mascara! 😀 PAULA: Oh, great! ...hehheh... 😏

[@pauld6967]

Another fine example of how real Star Trek tells good, character-based, stories.

[@Forbidaxe]

Isn't Dr. Timicin's actor on a few episodes of Stargate Atlantis, the Asuran leader replicator... Plays evil very well... Gosh I miss SG-1 and SGA...

[@rafetizer]

I used to rank Lwaxana pretty low on the Trek character's tier list, but after I grew up I find her to be much more fun. This episode is so damn good, everyone brought their A-game. Majel and Stiers effortlessly pass the emotions between them; Stiers, the optimistic scientist hoping to complete his life's work right before the curtain falls, and Barrett the always flamboyant socialite thinking she's found the perfect match only to be emotionally blindsided.

[@rafetizer]

@@TheNoiseySpectator Probably A bit of both

[@shanepye7078]

I got to meet the cast of TNG at FanExpo in Toronto and asked Brent Spiner about Majel, mainly was she anything like her character and did he have any funny stories of her. He said she was very much like her character and she used to pinch the actors bums. 😂

[@airmaildolphin7013]

Episodes like this one remind me how the show 'the Orville' is the spiritual successor to the Next Gen. Their episodes like 'About a Girl" are very much like this. Without getting too preachy it encourages the viewer to THINK.

[@gluuuuue]

I didn't appreciate this episode as a teen. David Ogden Stiers was only known to me as "the dad from Better Off Dead" or having a lot of other similar bit parts from TV (although I'd forgotten he voiced Cogsworth in Beauty and the Beast). Looking back, it wasn't a bad performance at a dramatic role and on a sensitive subject, given this was pre-Terry-Schiavo (although that incident taught us all how much further we still had to go).

[@spikedpsycho2383]

As 1st anniversary of my mothers passing, she would have been 60.

[@Elnis888]

This is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show I've seen. I just can't help but get emotionally involved in Timicin's story. The scene with Timicin and his daughter, Dara, is just absolutely heartbreaking! And the dialogue between the two mature lovers ... it's just done so very well!

[@Quirkyalonester]

This is so weird!! I was just thinking about this episode this morning when I got up!!

[@daphneglasurus7886]

David Ogden Stiers is my absolute favorite single-episode character.

[@Forbidaxe]

It's like "yeah, we're coming to the end of the season now, time to start getting some action going.... But no, no ,no... We're going to stab you in the gut instead...."

[@Pandaemoni]

11:07 Michelle Forbes/Ensign Ro...I really enjoy how Star Trek reuses actors in different roles (even though in theory that seems like it shouldn't work).

[@jonathanross149]

I didn't remember Michelle Forbes was in this episode. We will see her later... edit: LOL Paula talked about her

[@guaposneeze]

In real life, there aren't always happy endings. But there are endings. So it falls to us to find how to make the happiness when the endings happen.

[@LordTelperion]

Loving your reactions.

[@StarkRG]

As a kid, I used to hate Lwaxana Troi because of how uncomfortable she made all the other characters, the characters I had grown to love. However, even as a kid, I really felt for her in this episode and, although I don't think my opinion was really shifted dramatically until later, this was the episode my opinion was loosened, allowing the dramatic shift later. I didn't actually begin to love her until much, much later (without spoiling anything, it was a really fantastic scene in a turbolift when she shows her vulnerable side to someone who was hurting).

[@patsk8872]

Um, DS9 had tons of examples of exploration of moral issues without a clear answer. Voyager, yeah not so much.

[@malcolmandpenelope]

Yeah, I am *really* hoping that they do a watch through of DS9 together at some point. I think seeing it with fresh eyes might change her mind about some aspects of it.

[@hemmojito]

Wow didn't realize Michelle Forbes played his daughter. Ro Laren.

[@chrisbullard5901]

If you like David Ogden Stiers in this episode, you need to watch him both in MASH and another Michael Piller project, “The Dead Zone” tv series.

[@JeanParisot]

I love your analysis on the approach of the show Paula. I feel exactly the same - that the show seeks to question and explore issues that often hit close to home for us and giving us the opportunity to explore them further on our own. It's a big part of why I hardly watch modern tv/film. Whilst the industry has been left-wing for a long time, their politics only surfaced occasionally and never in the preachy, judgemental or certain tones that is so common today.

[@markwood6056]

David Ogden Stiers has always been able to act. So no surprise here. But the fact that Majel Barret showed she is an actress. That was the shock for me of the episode.... On the idea that children owe their parents. In general a child isn't asked to be brought into the world. And many, many children have parents that leave much to be desired (and the reverse is true as well). But I know my parents devoted decades to care, love and encourage me for decades. As a 53 year old, now that my parents needed help, there is no way that I couldn't Devore my time for the rest of their life. I would be repulsed by the very idea. So I changed my entire life to make sure I could. And I don't think there will ever be time I will regret that choice.

[@DavidB-2268]

This is one of those episodes that really illustrates the difference between TNG and TOS. Kirk would've been tearing down their society in response.

[@ghostkage]

The cutest couple ever on STNG Luaxana and the Scientist 👍

[@kschneyer]

In many cultures, the automatic obligation of the young to take care of the old is axiomatic. The notion that the young are free of this is, I think, primarily post-Enlightenment European POV, and depends on a sort of radical individualism that winds up being anti-communitarian. YMMV, of course.

[@Forbidaxe]

Hey, Katrina, Paula... When are we going to get a "Gallifrey Gals Get Dialling"... Refering to dialling all the Stargate seasons and spin offs of course... 15 to 17 seasons of amazing fun...

[@Jeremytorgersonofficial]

Maybe your best video yet. I love this episode.

[@budweiser600]

Poor Timison.

[@jonathanross149]

Kat gonna be angry

[@suralos]

The actress who portrayed Dara, Michelle Forbes, would return to portray a different character on a recurring basis. I will only say Forbes took the old saying, "Always leave them wanting more," to a new level. To add anything else would just be spoilers.

[@notablemind]

I'm studying the difference between Parentification and Filial Responsibility (the former has a connotation of pathological mental health outcome or pathological social health outcomes, and the latter does not), and this relates to when Lwaxana says why children should take care of their parents. I'm still in the midst of my studies, but the line between parentification of an offspring vs. an offspring's filial responsibility seems to depend a lot on social norms (ie. western culture vs. asian culture vs. culture based on agriculture vs. urbanized culture vs. poverty vs. etc.. etc.. etc...). I'll continue my research...but it shouldn't be a surprise that the concept of children taking care of parents is a complex topic....and whether it's good or not depends on a lot of factors. I think this TNG episode is offering a "teaser" to this subject, and I encourage people to study this subject in more detail!

[@DRockeh]

I think I was in that tiktok live. Or at least I did participate in one of them

[@jonathanross149]

Next one isn't one of my favs, but I think Kat will like it for reasons

[@laertesindeed]

Minor disagreement with you Paula.... but only in a roundabout way to agree with you..... in that Deep Space Nine also had many episodes that hit you in the feels by presenting a situation and not telling you what the "correct" answer should be. One huge example being "In the Pale Moonlight"

[@patsk8872]

Progress, Duet, Necessary Evil, Inquisition, Children of Time, so many more

[@tomyoung9049]

this is another example of how the Star Trek series will go after the 'difficult' subject as they have since the first. Trying to soften it and make everyone try to see it all from an outside point of view, by making it involve aliens.

[@Cuthalu]

Slight correction, Trek series will go -> Trek series did go. Herein lies maybe the biggest difference between old Star Trek and the current iteration of it.

[@tomaslongoria2449]

Yall should watch Gargoyles… Jonathan Frakes is the main bad guy and his character is drawn like him. Alot of the cast also have roles in the show later on.

[@mconnaghan]

Another quality half cat video!

[@mconnaghan]

Cats have a lot of nerve, making us feel the feels.

[@secondchance6603]

Please, please, please react to Galaxy Quest you won't be disappointed. Much love from the far north of New Zealand!

[@kennethspears22]

I thought to myself should Paula brace her?

[@BobBilheimer]

In a society like theirs, you might imagine that marriages might be planned to coincide with an identical, age spouse so they can both ‘leave’ at the same time. And children being born might be specifically planned for a certain age of maturity by the time their parents go through the resolution. What do you think?

[@stevenr6397]

you cried for this Lwaxana Troi episode? just wait......

[@quoniam426]

Come on Paula, don't be too harsh on yourself. I'll be blunt, emotional reactions are the fun of watching such reaction videos. By not telling the other one, you make her reactions more genuine. And it seems it struck a weak spot for Katrina...

[@PrimeCircuit]

Lwaxana Troi is a beautiful person.

[@PassiveSmoking]

As much as I dislike the character of Lwaxana Troi, I have absolutely no problems with Majel Barrett, and I think she's a fine actor. Plus she'll always be the computer voice to me, no matter how many other people they have in that role.

[@unclelink]

Another important episode. Begs the question: does one culture have the right to impose on another?

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

When people are dying?

[@Hibbs4Prez]

The one lady's opinion of what elevates TNG over DS9 is, with all due respect, laughable. No Trek show was more morally gray than DS9. No other Trek show left it up to the viewers to decide whether it's MAIN characters, not some guest stars, did the right thing. TNG, as fond of it as I am, always had Picard giving a sermon at the end to tell you what to think we how to feel.

[@empirejeff]

How did they get a whole planet to agree to kill themselves?

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

They did it like 2000 years before the events of the episode. Apparently old age is a total bastard for them; they'd linger on with deteriorating physical and mental health for a very long time, and apparently they suck at geriatric medicine (but not at other forms of medicine, so they just got more and more coffin dodgers as the population grew). The ritual suicide apparently became an attractive option, and eventually became law. Worth considering that it is apparently currently normal in many countries to lock your deadoes in an elaborate, expensive wooden box that might actually be so well sealed that the corpse undergoes putrid liquefaction rather than skeletonization, and then bury it in a place that some geezer said magic words at so that the ground is holy.

[@marktrotman2793]

I really missed Katrina laughing. I hate that kind of censorship, Paula. What next? "Fair Use" tattooed on Katrina's forehead?

[@yw1971]

16:33 - Good point. This is where the new shows have failed

[@explodingplant2]

16:09 imo both TNG and DS9 don't tell you how to feel about complex issues, only that TNG focuses on ethical issues and DS9 political ones

[@PaliSvapna]

Just wondering if you girls are going to watch the new Star Trek cartoon Lower decks it is very good and it’s kind of a mix of next gen and a comedy Star Trek just Ponting it if you didn’t know about it but I’m shore you have got lots of requests

[@Helbore]

I've got to admit, this one never sat well with me. I feel the arguments for this society fall down because they're arguing for a strawman. Having to die at the age of 60 is so entirely arbitrary and they don't make a single, effective point as to why it has to be then. The most obvious counter to their points is "what about people with degenerative diseases who are under 60?" Are they suggesting that never happens on their world? What about the families of those people? I guess they just don't get the comfort of the big, happy death ceremony. On the other side of the coin, this is the 24th century and turning 60 is hardly a big deal here in the 21st. What is to say Timicin wouldn't remain healthy, intelligent and strong for another 20 or 30 years? I get the idea of Euthanasia when someone is in unending pain and there's no possible cure. If you're just waiting for death to come and have no quality of life, then I'm totally in support of an individual's right to choose to die. But to force it on to healthy people just because they hit a certain age and might possibly, one day become ill and infirm? To say they have no choice but to die, or else? I can't support that. Their logic is ass-backwards, but more than that - and the part that really rubbed me up the wrong way - was the daughter shaming her father into suicide. He'd decided he didn't want to die, not just because he realised he still had much to live for, but he still had so much to give back to society. Yet she pulled the age-old "you bring shame to our family," excuse to get him in line. Having seen families damage other members of their family (usually their kids) by way of guilt-tripping them into being something they're not, I don't tend to respond well to anyone's position who tries to pull that one. Just take this society and alter the reason it forces death on its citizens and see how well it holds up. Perhaps instead of turning 60, they insist that all gays have to die because they're unable to procreate, so just a burden on society. Or perhaps resources are scarce, so any couple who has more than one child has to have those "excess children," put to death. Perhaps having an IQ below 100 means you are of little use to society, so its ritual suicide for you - and if you don't like it, then your family will shame you in to it. Nah, I can't buy into the concept and don't think they had good reasons at all. Yes, the acting was all very good from all involved and they did a tremendous job at trying to sell the dilemma. But if Timicin could be so easily persuaded that his life still had value, one is left to wonder just how many people on this planet really don't want to die at 60 and are simply forced into it. Once you consider that possibility, it's hard to see them as anything other than a culture of mass murderers.

[@thething1710]

I think it was meant to be portrayed that way, honestly. That no matter how advanced technologically Timicin's society was, there were still beliefs and practices that are seen as barbaric and unnecessary to people like Luxawanna and to others. And it is rather realistic for family members to guilt trip their loved ones in order to maintain the status quo of their culture, because to challenge those beliefs could have them question their entire way of living, and it is so easy to stick with something you've been taught all your life. I very much agree with your comment, and this episode is one of those ones where I vehemently dislike the outcome, but yet love the conflict within it and the character's motivations. Truly the stuff Star Trek is so good at! ❤

[@LordTelperion]

I'm just enraged at the idiocy of these people, willing to risk annihilation and extinction over some stupid social convention. Like some real-life folks & movements we know.

[@desmondgriffin8479]

Paula, once again you are terrible at keeping secrets. Shhh...

[@ClaireWW]

Only TNG does this? Only? Have you even watched Voyager?

[@firefly24601]

Nope, neither of them has.

[@helpmefixthis9117]

The eyeliner does not look great ... it's OK to think that .. Actually looks pretty bad .Me I don't sugarcoat things , they're just being nice to you by saying it looks good

[@ThanatoselNyx]

Or different people have different tastes.

[@robvanriot]

Her eyeliner looks great. Zombies aren't known for their powers of observation.

[@Jeremytorgersonofficial]

No one asked you.