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[@okypo0222]

why do I feel like we're gossiping while we're crocheting? lol

[@brat32179]

I knitting instead. Does that make it less scandalous? haha.

[@WovenWishes]

@@brat32179nope❤

[@the_yarn_boy]

The quality of hair salon gossip at the comfort of our couch with added yarn for enjoyment 😂❤

[@Mynameis_lizzy]

Wait why do I actually love this??

[@mammoneymelon]

because we are ☺️

[@sagebuttercrunch]

The commentor that said "you're the ass hole also you're a pervert" is so real for saying that

[@Jenkinscraftingco2.0]

Exactly. We all know he'd have started dating her at 17 or 16 if he could have.

[@njcrafting5339]

What is with men and flying into a rage just because their girlfriends are KNITTING?!?!?! This dude is a 33 year old man who can't communicate and wants someone to be giving him attention all the time??? So he basically wants her to pick him and stop knitting. Dudes really think they're more important than a woman's interests. I am soooo glad she left him.

[@maitiug]

LITERALLY

[@Mynameis_lizzy]

Couldn’t agree more like he’s a 33 year old man acting like a toddler

[@crazyskz-h5n]

exactly. and he literally JUST got home, and then yelled because she wasn't spending time with him? He is such an AHole

[@spookyvondoom4624]

Yeah, gee, I wonder why he couldn't find a woman his own age 🤦🏼‍♀️ what an awful thing.

[@kay-jay1581]

It posible that the post fake. It sounds kinda like a generic title of fake posts but the situation is too real I could see a jerk older man abusing a young woman like that, and then okay the victim. That happens way too often

[@barijade]

i find it wild that the mother was deemed the asshole for not buying her daughter yarn because she was just stockpiling and not finishing projects. As a crafter but a non-parent, It just seems responsible especially when the majority of the childs yarn is being provided BY the parents. Just because "it's normal in the crochet community" doesn't mean it's right or an okay thing to do lol. I am in the vast minority in that regard cause I rarely EVER buy yarn unless it's for a specific project and even less so start a project and not finish it. People are so delusional lol.

[@caitwon]

She got deemed the AH because those are all people who also have an issue over collecting yarn and they're defensive about it. The overconsumption is something that is starting to grind my gears in the community if I'm being honest. I've said it before, I get buying a pretty yarn with nothing in mind every so often but if you keep buying and it's just sitting there unused it's getting ridiculous.

[@TheYarnStop]

I’m one of those people who will either buy yarn with no plan in mind or never finish the project with it, and I feel like creating a plan for all of my yarn would be so helpful. I’m trying to only buy yarn whenever I don’t have enough of a certain color or texture which I feel like helps a lot. Honestly, those people who called her the a-hole are the ones that need a yarn plan

[@kimmmy86]

I’m a parent (abiet to a 4 year old) and crocheter, and I think the mother was reasonable. She already has over 100 skiens and from what I understand, the parents paid for most of it. Maybe, stick with your plan and still get her few skiens for Christmas

[@marjoriebruton6909]

I absolutely think the mom was NOT the asshole. When I got back into crochet I had “adult money” without too many adult bills and now I have so much yarn that I have to ACTIVELY use it or figure out what to do with it because it’s genuinely out of control. She’s a good mom for trying to prevent excessive consumption and potential hoarding habits.

[@Emmalina2000]

A lot of my yarn came from my mom knitting basket😂 only maybe 4 or 3 skeins is mine I payed for

[@maggieh6143]

, the mom should get her non-yarn things to support her hobby. get her a nice set of hooks or needles, cute shaped stitch markers, and buy her some patterns shes expressed interest in off etsy or something. If the mom is so frustrated with the yarn, she can still support her hobby in other ways

[@maggieh6143]

@@velvety2006 she did say that she finished a lot of project. I definitely got into crochet because I was seeing it online, like 3 years ago during pandemic, but that doesn’t mean it’s been a fad for me. i’m 18 so i would’ve been in the same age., honestly, if the daughter does stop using it for like a year or more she could sell the old supply’s but it seems like the daughter is still very excited by it.

[@skyelorspacex]

Exactly and then she is encouraging her to use up the yarn she has and the daughter will feel her mother is supporting her hobby

[@pearl4815]

buying her patterns is a good idea! or maybe like kits that has both yarn and pattern!

[@MrsElizHardy]

Or even a Knitting Machine to bust out a bunch of hats to donate to a homeless shelter, clothes closet or hospital.

[@madamemelone4947]

Isn’t she already doing that? She wrote at the beginning that she and her husband by her hooks and stuff while the daughter buys herself the yarn.

[@TrishhMakes]

the 30-18 year old relationship is straight up abuse. aside from the awful age gap, destroying her things??? nope

[@paadoxal]

yeah and no way this is the first time he's been awful to her

[@TXbarrelCowgirl]

All kinds of red flags!

[@mckaelacampos3034]

Destroying her things, then gaslighting her into thinking it is her fault and she needs to spend more time with him so he doesn't act this way. It's textbook abuse.

[@scrambles1230]

I think it's ragebait - "title sounds bad, but here me out" is a good clue that a post is likely fake

[@shtfcker24]

@@scrambles1230 i used to read aita with my friends for fun a lot and i don’t think that this situation is unrealistic (like, usually i wouldn’t call it out for being fake) but aita has So many fake posts its not fun to read anymore. every time you see a “title sounds bad but hear me out” or [title that is comically misrepresentative of the situation] or especially “throwaway acc for privacy” (on a post that doesn’t give away any private details) it’s safe to assume the post isn’t real.

[@kaijuchick3928]

i dropped my granny square when you read that he CUT UP THE BLANKET, how she reacted was TAME

[@Myllena-cm7zx]

no fr like why on earth would he do that.

[@icantswim8657]

Literally same, i was weaving in my ends and when i heard that i was like "w h a t?" Though my first reaction when the story started was "18 and 6 huh?"

[@MrsElizHardy]

Same. I was working a TITR hexagon and just full stopped because I got second hand mad on her behalf.

[@havanamadeit]

i’m sorry but the guy who cut up his girlfriends handmade blanket?!?!??? OOF i can’t stop laughing because i’m so confused how he doesn’t see what was wrong about that but also that’s so messed up. i love these videos, Kelsie! 💞❤️

[@kay-jay1581]

And he is 33 acting like he is 7 trying to make an “oopsie” go away! what weird and creep guy I would ran away 😅

[@JustHarperGray]

The boyfriend cutting up the blanket?! This needs to be posted on “Am I the Devil?”

[@PassioKnitKelsie]

You’re so right

[@Stormycloudcaptain]

Love this series! For the first one I agree with you, I’d say the mom is not the asshole but she could use a little redirection. One thing I’ve learned as a parent is that you don’t restrict “special occasions”, I’m all for setting boundaries for just weekly yarn buying, one in one out ect, but a Christmas present is special and at 16 you’ll only have 2 more special years with her and I’d rather have her face light up like the tree than be harshly reminded that she isn’t allowed to get the thing she wants/brings her joy!

[@Ace-hk7bf]

You must be an amazing parent 😭 I hope your children appreciate you :D

[@kristalpower292]

That’s what I thought too. Mum has been the enabler since it sounds like they have brought most of it. I’d buy her yarn birthday Christmas maybe Easter too. Outside of those times I won’t be buying yarn for you an exception might be a single skein to finish a project. The other boundary she could set is about keeping the yarn in a specific place like like a 3x3 cube unit or something and say if your yarn exceeds this space I will only buy you a small amount of yarn or a tool/accessory off your list. If there is more space than I could surprise you with a few more things. Mum needs to reflect on how they got to this situation. I don’t think as a 16 year old I’d have had that much money to spend on that much yarn although I had to buy then cover my phone bill and any extras I wanted.

[@DanaEleanor1]

I'm 35 and still live with my parents, so I still get gifts for Christmas and Birthdays.

[@iclaimthisname9767]

Agreed. She's been constantly buying her daughter yarn when she has plenty, and the time she decides it's enough is CHRISTMAS of all things. I also felt like throughout the post she was a little too condescending to people who have a lot of yarn for no reason. Overall still not the asshole, but she could've handled it better

[@CleoStrawberryMoon]

I'm seeing this similary: making a detailed plan could reduse the fun in her hobby to become a chore depending on the child. structure is fine and all but this is her chrismas wishes and comparing it to my kids I wouldn't tell them they aren't getting another lego set just because they have plenty already. This is a hobby and should be fun. Maybe the mom could buy only half the yarn and some stuff for organizing yarn and supplies as well as talking about not spening too much money on yarn throughout the year (preferably some time before chrismas). I also don't like how the mom is writing about hording yarn beeing kind of mean about it while she brought her most of it and now complaining.

[@alannaavina]

THEY WAY MY MOUTH DROPPED ABOUT THE DUDE CUTTING UP THE BLANKET!!! WHAT!?!?!

[@KnitsByNayla]

Same!!! Also chuckling at the girlfriend’s mic drop of a response! 😂😂😂

[@alysawhitesell547]

I've gifted 2 crocheted blankets to friends, one of who, has threatened her husband with murder if attempts to use her blanket, let alone damage it My hubby wouldnt even dream of ruining something I spent so long on, he doesn't even like moving my in progress work for fear of messing it up

[@ann-christink4321]

I love the pause after „so 30 and 18…“ 😂😂 Keep on making all these videos, I enjoy watchen them so much 🥹

[@skolljumper]

I think the mom trying to limit the yarn collection should maybe start after Christmas. Then do the one in one out for anything they buy for her, but let her buy what she wants with her own money

[@Elia-DCrea]

that's what I commented too :)

[@PamelaSpade]

Sounds like the best plan!

[@MrsElizHardy]

That sounds about the most fair way to approach it.

[@alexlemaire8513]

having a detailed plan for all the yarn is just too restrictive. Idk what the crafting equivalent would be but in book spaces we call it mood reading so I couldn't do it like that. 1 in 1 out is a good compromise and def after Christmas too. don't Sour Christmas for no reason ya know. and if they're regularly using it I don't see the need for such a harsh restriction that could mess with their relationship to the hobby

[@tamiruiz2766]

The mom and daughter yarn stash one sounds like a bunch of people got really defensive. The mom doesn’t want to feed into her daughter’s overbuying especially since it seems the mom is buying a bulk of the yarn and supporting her. The plan is kind of iffy and she should offer her that OR the one in and one out option. But a solution does seem to be made if she has that much yarn already

[@Fickji]

It touches a nerve because the attack on the yarn stash by non yarn users happens way too often. But it would be the same equivalent of attacking someone for collecting action figures, puzzles, the dreaded kewpie dolls, scrapbooking supplies... Anything considered a hobby that accumulates materials could be put into the "this is important to me, please don't attack me or I will defend" category of behavior. The mom is already feeding into the overbuying by doing the weekly/ biweekly shopping trips. Stop the constant shopping trips and only do the Christmas/Birthday gift buying until the stash goes down is more reasonable. But I bet anything that the Mom has something that she overbuys that she would feel attacked if she was called out for collecting it as well. Like shoes or makeup products.... But she's an A-hole on the basis of the Christmas no buy thing. Not for Christmas. Any other time but Christmas.

[@knees0cks_49]

@@Fickji finally, someone who is reasonable about this!! cutting down on the yarn buying is cool but not so harshly and during christmas. only getting yarn on special days or with some sort of reward system would be way better than whatever the mom cooked up in the post

[@bluesonicstreak7317]

@@Fickji I honestly don't know if I agree about the thing where Christmas is sacred, no matter what. I have a friend with an utterly absurd number of Funko Pops. We're talking "multiple rooms of her house dominated by plastic toys" levels of absurd. Thousands of them. And then she asks for more every Christmas. (Let's not even talk about how she seems to use Christmas to take advantage of people's generosity and specifically ask for expensive/limited edition ones.) I have essentially gotten to the point with this woman where I have told her I will not buy her any Pops even if she asks for them for Christmas. Last year we had a fight because she sent me an Amazon wishlist full of Funko Pops and $50+ items (our friend group generally sticks to $30-40 MAX), and I told her flat-out I would not buy anything off that list and to send me reasonable gift ideas. Her response was essentially, "but it's Christmas." Yeah. Not a blank check, I don't care.

[@knitwitchpgh]

I just commented something similar 😂 some people are projecting

[@knitwitchpgh]

​@@Fickji first off. If christmas is only about gifts, your priorities are wrong and thats the first toxic thing youd be teaching this child. But second, you can buy other things yarn related for Christmas. Tools, winder, needles, hooks, bags. Collecting and hoarding yarn youll never use is a nasty habit we all have to some degree, some wayyy more than others, and teaching a child responsibility, just discussing the worry about over consuming isnt an asshole aspect. If you take yarn out and change it with lets say makeup. Daughter has 1000 lipsticks and her entire Christmas list is the full line of urban decay lipsticks. Is that "Christmas trumps all buy the gift" still your opinion?

[@Superburtclub]

I think the mom is valid for not buying any more yarn for her daughter in general- but not for Christmas! Christmas gifts are supposed to be something that’s not necessarily NEEDED, but something the person wants anyways. OP said they go to the yarn store every other week ish, just stop doing those trips until daughter finishes a project or two, but don’t not give her what she wants for Christmas over this

[@annalivingtv]

Christmas should totally be about you want but that doesnt necessarily mean encouraging bad habits. Another person said getting her other crochet paraphernalia so shes still supporting her hobby. A holiday does not mean throwing out all standards and giving up on any behavioral goals for your children. As a crafter i think its ridiculous so many people shamed this mom for having standards for her kid just because it was to do with crafting. This is entirely against the non-wasteful, anti-consumerist nature inherent to crafting. This is no different than a girl buying a bunch of clothes and never wearing them- of course you dont buy her more clothes for christmas

[@knees0cks_49]

@@annalivingtv true, but also, from the post it really sounds like the mom is the one who buys most her yarn, so its kind of her own fault that the daughter accumulated so much in the first place. i do think supporting her hobby in other ways is a good idea to stop the yarn overconsumption but like, mom has to do some introspection as well i think

[@knitwitchpgh]

Christmas shouldnt be just about gifts. You should still teach your child about how youre not entitled to a gift of whatever you ask for. Just because you ask for it doesn't mean youll get it. Especially if you have an excessive amount of that item already. Imo mom should suggest tools, supplies non yarn related. Is there a bag you want? Yarn bowl? Winder? What's something that you can use for YEARS vs some instant gratification you might use in the next 5 years. I look at it as if daughter had 100 lipsticks or non crafting item would you still have this opinion?

[@knees0cks_49]

@@knitwitchpgh the moms refusal to buy more yarn wasn't the problem per se, more so her attitude about it & the way she handled it. Suggesting other gifts that are craft related would indeed have been a good move

[@Zelli0306]

The video being almost an hour long PROVES that she knows how we love crocheting to her videos

[@amorousGravity]

as a teenager i got Joann/michaels giftcards to budget my projects throughout the year. My mom always encouraged me to use what I had but i wasn't cut off from buying more it just had to come out of my own pocket.

[@jordannnk]

This is the right answer. Giving a good amount in gift cards at Christmas lets her buy yarn when she wants but also teaches control. Waiting for sales and dipping into your own pockets to build a stash really forces her to have self control when building the stash. And if she actually uses all the yarn she buys and needs more money, I’m sure the parents would see that her yarn stash is low and help contribute more

[@plague_victim532]

For the knitting machine one, i draw and paint. Does that mean im obligated to pay back friends/relatives who bought me supplies every time i sell something???? Like bffr

[@PassioKnitKelsie]

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[@hysteric-and-hysterical]

Not buying your kid what they want for Christmas and instead buying them something they don’t want also leads to waste and consumerism. Set a budget for yarn and when they hit it they hit it. But it seems contradictory to get them something they don’t want for Christmas in name of anti consumerism.

[@My_Lady_Jane]

I agree. The Parents were saying yes to buying all this yarn for their daughter all year round, so why is Christmas the time they are choosing to put their foot down. Buy the yarn on the list then in the new year impose the new restrictions, whatever it may be (there are a lot of good alternatives that have been listed). The main point I don't see anyone mentioning is who is paying for the yarn? If the daughter has a job and is buying it herself that is one thing. It's another if the parents are buying it and then watching it all just sit there unused. I would be furious if this was the case.

[@knees0cks_49]

@@My_Lady_Jane furious maybe, but i would also think, isnt biweekly shopping trips a bit much? like, it didnt go from 1 to 100 skeins overnight, and since the parents seem to be the ones buying most of the yarn, they probably couldve put their foot down earlier, right?

[@sarahe397]

Agreed. They should have told her she could get a job and buy her own yarn lol

[@somehoe1787]

The fact that the verdict for story #2 is that the mother is an asshole is WILD. Hoarding is a huge problem in the community, and the fact that it often gets downplayed because 'it's aesthetic and cute' or 'for inspiration' needs to be talked about more.

[@jewels3846]

For me the issue is it is about x-mas. Setting the boundary for not helping outside of x-mas gifts I am 100% on board with. But the timing just feels harsh even if otherwise the mom is 100% NTA. I would even support the mom setting a lower limit on how much she gets for xmas unless plans are made or stash is being used up. But to completely say no for xmas feels a bit to far. Especially since it sounds like parents help out year round for purchases, so if they set the foot down for every other time but still allowed some (again even if less than otherwise would be given) on x-mas I would say 100% NTA. TLDR Its a good lesson for the kid overall. But worst choice of timing being a holiday about giving gifts (that should be something the person would want/like)

[@iamaunicorn1232]

Mom wants to teach organization and an amount of self-control and it seems like the hoarders came in force to project like that one commenter who assumed the OP called all crafters sinners. Um no... You're the one who said that. Where did you even get that? Witholding for X-mas can be seen as especially cruel but I agree. Lessons need to be taught. Clearly.

[@muskrient3688]

feel like one of the reddit responses should have mentioned that its not the enjoyment you get from making a gift but the enjoyment the gift receiver experiences from the gift. dont make something that only pleases you when making it as a gift, the person receiving it should also enjoy it. gifting is not about the person who makes it but the person receiving it.

[@ArisePikachu25]

I agree with you. You tailor a handmade gift to the reliever. Like recently, my sis was talking about how her purse zipper broke. She liked it because it was small and had a strap that went around the wrist. I went and bought her a new purse, but it didn't have that strap. So I crocheted one and kept the color safe by matching the black purse with a black strap. I still had time, and I remembered her liking hanging plants 🪴 so I crocheted her a keychain of one, and she told me it's now her car ornament. I'm glad my sis likes her birthday present and appreciates the thought.

[@jordannnk]

Watching the first 20 mins of this before band camp, see y’all in 10 hours to finish the vid 😭

[@SophiaTrapp]

real

[@Macthefrog-oc4tg]

Same lol

[@jordannnk]

I survived yall, halfway through… colorguard is NOT for the weak 😭

[@mdp3827]

Off to write up my yarn stash plan…. See you in about 5 years 😂😂😂😂

[@Elia-DCrea]

lol

[@kristablake715]

Ha! My town is so small that my local "craft" store is a section in the hardware store!

[@allieniner675]

I’ve just made a blanket via crocheting and each ball of yarn is $6 AUD from Kmart. My blanket maybe costs more than $100 (but less than $200) all together without factoring in time. The blanket is amazing! Super heavy (weighted blanket, yay!) and the texture is amazing as it’s a velvet type of yarn. As an autistic woman, this is my most favourite project I’ve ever made, and I’ve been crocheting since I was 11 (I’m now 28).

[@a0roar0in0the0dark]

I've been to my local yarn store three times and every time they seem to refute the meer existence crochet and make me feel super uncomfortable for even touching their yarn. I'm super tactile and always have been. Basically there's a ton of reasons someone wouldn't wanna hang out at a boutique yarn shop.

[@velvety2006]

I think it also depends on what you make the most, for clothing and shawls more luxury yarns might be better but if you are a amigurumi maker then acrylic is probably the best option

[@jeanettekruger6577]

Yep, too expensive! Huge profit percentage.

[@stephchab5368]

I learned how to knit 10 years ago with 1 goal in mind. I wanted to make a baby blanket for our soon to be niece. It was a very simple blanket. But I slaved away on it for like 6 months. They were so greatful and they still cherish it. Fast forward two years my other SIL was pregnant with our nephew. I knitted 9 squares in yellow there was a heart, a monkey, a bear, a cat, and a lamb. Then there were 4 geometric shapes to equal 9. I taught myself how to crochet to border each square in blue. The attached them together and put a double crochet border around the whole thing then 1 final single crochet border in yellow. A lady at my work offered me $60 to purchase it. She saw the love and care (a lot of frogging in the knit and crochet parts). I gave it to her for a baby gift. She looked at it and said "oh I wondered" and put it aside... didn't hold it up or anything. .. I was devastated. I thought maybe I messed up or something. I felt horrible. Turns our my SIL doesn't like home made things when "store bought is so much better"... moral of the story She gets nothing home made from me anymore... I could've seen if I kept dropped stitches and stuff but it was great!! I'm still very proud of it... meanwhile I'm sure it's at a goodwill or something like that. ..

[@psychosislove]

The yarn was store bought. I come from a family of smartasses, so if I realized something I made didn't get the respect it deserves because store bought is "better", that would have been my response. And I understand you not making anything for her anymore. That hard work and passion should go to someone who will appreciate it and understand that it was made from the heart instead of a sweatshop.

[@zangetsu284]

Here's an idea... if she barely looked at it, I think you are well within your right to go to her house, take the blanket the back, and sell it to your coworker. All in secret. She doesn't deserve it and neither does that poor baby. Store bought babies are better.

[@MorteReine]

I lost my crojo for a week or two, but your videos never fail to make my fingers itch for yarn and hook again. Love your channel so much! Thank you for doing what you do!

[@kristalpower292]

I’m lucky enough to have a local yarn store closer than our craft store. My store has a mix of price which is nice. For me it’s not the price that matters it’s how it feels on my skin both when I am knitting and crocheting as well as when I’m done. The thing about “yarn snobs” that bothers me is when they refuse to work with certain yarn because it’s beneath them and don’t take into account the needs or preferences of the person they are making the item for. A new mum ain’t got time to hand wash a baby blanket when the baby pukes on it or had a diaper explosion.

[@pLanetstarBerry]

This. I've had this exact argument with a yarn snob from the old knitting group I was in. She was appalled that I use cotton yarn that I recycle from old sweaters for things like baby socks, hats, and blankets. Nevermind that I'm choosy about the sweaters I recycle so that not only are they super soft, they're machine washable as well. Nevermind that my friend's kids are neurodivergent and have sensory issues regarding wool. Nevermind that the plushies I make wouldn't last a day in a child's hands if they were made with wool. Nope, if it's not made of high quality wool yarn, your piece is trash and you should feel like trash, according to her attitude. She's not the main reason I left that group, but she's a strong contender.

[@Okihenlo]

I love theseee!!! The knitting machine one is CRAZY. Like sorry you bought them a gift?? Can they only use it to make themselves things, would you like a documented list as well? CRAZY. I think Caesar should join the next one!

[@binglemarie42]

I thought of another dimension to the knitting machine conflict. The cousin gifted OP with a tool that was developed as a labor saving device in order to facilitate MASS PRODUCTION! OP is using it for its intended purpose, and it's ridiculous for the cousin to expect that it would only be for home use. If you gift someone a factory, you can't be angry if they manage to get it up and running and sell product made in it.

[@impposter560]

I'd honestly be horribly, irritatingly smug about it for the rest of my cousins life. I'd be swaggering around family functions and saying "Oh, my baby cousin? The one that OWNS HER OWN BUSINESS? Yeah, I gave her a head start!" All in good fun, of course, but I would genuinely be so pleased to have given a good gift (considering I am very hit or miss with gifts😅)

[@aanajuliaa]

the second story is way out of my reality - I only buy yarn if I have a project planned, other than that only one or two skeins are purchased occasionally. So while I was listening I was like "wow, thats a LOT of yarn 😳"

[@ayezakalim1185]

At that age i was obsessed with reading and hoarding books until one day my mom threw a big fuss about me not ordering any more books or else she will throw out or burn my existing ones. Yeah i never touched my books ever again. Evey time i think of those books on my bookshelf i remember that episode my mom had and just dont wanna even go near them. I resorted to reading ebooks grom then on.. My mother did end up throwing away most of my collection without even telling me.

[@trinika267]

Same! (What is it with overdramatic moms and threatening to burn stuff?) However e-books weren't that much of a thing back in the early 2000s. So I resorted to buying more books with my lunch money and hiding them throughout the house, like a book hoarding chipmunk.

[@clairiebeario]

OMG, that is terrible. I am so sorry to the both of you. That is messed up that your parents would lose their cool like that.

[@ayezakalim1185]

@@trinika267 I'm sorry you had to go through that. Hiding books sounds even more tough than restoring to ebooks

[@spookyvondoom4624]

Oh gosh, that must have been so heartbreaking. That's taking it to a whole other level.

[@holaCarolina]

This happened to me with gardening. They insisted it was a trashfield. Now I just throw some seeds with a blessing now and then.

[@oliknits333]

the people saying the person who made a "crappy/low quality" blanket for their friend are PISSING ME OFF SO BAD. if someone took *3 whole weeks* to make you a blanket, AND theyre a beginner, shouldn't you want to make them feel like this craft is worth continuing???? UGH it makes me so mad when people are like "ew this looks bad i dont want it because its homemade and it looks bad", like omfg you're being so RUDE anyways i love these reddit videos kelsie, PLEASE keep doing them!!!!

[@tiannagraham5210]

no actually! they’re literally being so rude! i don’t know if OP said their age but they could be young and still learning and just wanted to do something nice for a friend. i get that it might be bad but honestly, if it starts falling apart, you can use it for other things like a pet blanket or something and just tell them that you are still making use of it but it was just not practical to use. but you don’t have to be awful about it. and i get it, a poorly made project is not ideal but they worked on it for 3 weeks! i would end up not making anything for anyone ever again honestly :( wait, edit: i think the other person wasn’t actually that rude. they just asked to fix it. that’s reasonable actually. doesn’t really make being rude about it okay if they were but i actually understand asking them to fix it

[@PaigeFrances97]

I agree, someone could give me the tattiest homemade thing and I'd love it!

[@estherroos4908]

Writing up a plan for myself to use yarn absolutely ruins my creative flow

[@velvety2006]

I have found pulling out all my yarn to see if there are just any specific colors I need helps me to decide if it is really necessary to buy new in the first place, sometimes I find out I had the color I was considering it was just in a different box lol i am also currently working through both my stash and my pattern books

[@Elia-DCrea]

Maybe like someone say : when the inspiration strike "buy" in your stash first because you go out buy more.

[@darkdest6664]

for SOME yarns fine cool but 1/3rd of it?!?! Fk no

[@bluesonicstreak7317]

I wonder if there's a more "creative" way she could do it. Like, rather than a bland Excel sheet of "use X yarn to make Y," she could make up a list of cool projects and put them on slips of paper in a shoe box (old fashioned way) or on a randomizer wheel app (modern way, lol) and just spin whenever she needs to start a new project. Whatever pops up, she goes through her stash for whatever yarn jumps out as perfect for that project. (Or she could reverse it, and put her stash in a wheel, and spin for the yarn and then choose the project.) Keeps some spontaneity and flow.

[@kjbrasdas]

Having a large stash isn't necessarily over consumerism, but about having the right yarn on hand when you see a pattern you really want to make right now, especially if you don't have a store with yarn nearby.

[@colorjunkie]

For the mother of the 16 yo - yes, she is TA, but yes she is also right. It is her responsibility to teach her daughter to be responsible with her yarn collecting. Just like she needs to teach her daughter how to manage money, to clean, to cook, and healthy dating tips. Coming up with a plan is relatively easy. No one said she had to stick to the plan. I've had yarn whisper a plan to me, then by the time I bought it and got it home- that plan was gone. It happens a fair amount.

[@lornasharp4541]

At 16 I'd be delighted if my child had such a healthy and creative hobby...there's far worse they could be doing. I'm assuming most of the yarn has come from the parents and the daughter buying some herself so for her to get to 100 skeins the parents have contributed to that ..... It sounds like they've tried to help her understand how she could have a plan to use up some of her stash. Let her see herself how frustrating it can get when you have too much yarn or WIPs xxx

[@TheCoolishOne]

Video idea (second try): I have seen that you have a lot of scrap yarn and/or yarn that has a different color lot, and you can't use it for bigger projects. You could make a video about "how many coasters can i make in a day". I did a similar thing for a market and there are many different patterns, like the granny stitch or with a fancy border and many more, so I don't think you will get bored of making so many of them and its a fun thing to add to your store. I sold them in a pack of four and three with similar colors and some with the same "vibe," like different tones of gray. Hope you read this and maybe give it a try! Love your vids❤❤

[@LibbyFelty]

The thing with writing out a plan is that the daughter can change the plan slightly if she has a new idea for yarn. I got two cakes of yarn to make a few scarves for family members and I ended up making a blanket with it instead because I really liked the colors, so I made the scarves with different yarn I had. Plans are changeable, end of story.

[@LucilleOneal-vk7be]

It's nice to see you create while conversing with us. Your work is so professional, and beautiful.

[@juliettealexander8537]

I immediately thought of the Flag Guy for that cut up blanket. He's a content creator that reacts to reddit stuff like this with a giant red flag (or green if it's sweet). Anyhow, I envisioned him running around, huffing and puffing with a big red flag on that one. I was yelling "RUN girl! Run fast!"

[@qryptid]

I just found flag guy the other day, so funny to see a comment mentioning him lol. And fully agree, cut up blanket bf would totally make it into a red flag video

[@amethystanne4586]

I think his first name is Dustin. He is so much fun.

[@karenbailey3493]

I think the 16 yo has discovered a new passion. Passioknit 😂 But there is so much creativity with crochet or knit and your mind just swirls with all the ideas. She’s 16 so she’s excited and is envisioning all the beautiful things, but yet feeling unable to share her ideas yet. I’m shy about what I’m making sometimes. And I am 61. 😅 mom isn’t an asshole but she does need to allow her daughter this creative outlet. There must be a middle ground. Especially for a 16 yo. I would have been very grateful if my 16 year daughters were into crochet!! There are sooooo many other interests that aren’t constructive, she needs to encourage this new joy. My mother taught me as a child and it’s still my passion to this day. It has carried me through many rough times. ❤❤

[@beckyjones2514]

The guy who cut up the blanket is actually insane, after he complained about her not giving him attention he blew up at her for working on her project WHEN HE WASN’T EVEN HOME?????? At that point it’s not about spending time together it’s about control

[@doggwater]

We’re living in a recession, some people can’t afford to be a yarn snob. My grandmother was the most talented knitter I’ve seen in person, all of her work was made with thrifted or dollar store acrylics because it was all she could afford. In no way did I ever feel the yarn she used ever effected the quality of her pieces, I still have blankets, beanies and sweaters that she made 30+ years ago

[@robbiegeegee]

I could not imagine being given a HANDMADE knitted/crocheted blanket and not doing anything other than loving it... Regardless of what it actually looks like or how well it's done. It took their TIME and EFFORT to make, and I'll always be grateful for that. Now I didn't know about the dropped stitches in knitting as I only have crotched, but I still don't think that person deserved to call her an asshole.

[@Kaiweii]

I dont think the mother was the assh*le at all. I felt like a lot of people in the comments of the post forgot that the daughter is so young and isn't buying all of the yarn herself so she's spending her parents money and with the huge yarn stash I bet it's becoming an expensive hobby. From the parents POV it probably just looks like hoarding and honestly wasting their money! totally fair that she wants her daughter to learn and to not just buy new yarn all the time. edit: I was curious about if the yarn stash was full skeins or if a lot of it was scraps/left over yarn from projects bc that might change my opinion

[@velvety2006]

also, she might change interests in the next year or so maybe she will like drawing or something more then what is gonna happen with all that yarn

[@PoppieDaisy]

The boyfriend cutting up her blanket is a big red flag warning sign of abuse. His update that he is so sorry is manipulative. Run girl run! 🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@josephpoole3942]

Just what I needed to finish this knit tank I thought was already done. Once I put the borders on the armholes it lifted so much that I had to pick back up over 300 stitches I had already bound off so I can add a few inches. I read the first story yesterday and hoped it would show up in one of these! "Yarn snobs" that use any sort of superwash yarns are still contributing to putting microplastics in the waterways. The superwash treatment essentially makes wool an acrylic blend.

[@sunflowers2838]

I'm a crocheter and a mother. I have a 16 yr old and she's a girl. Girls are very impressionable and sensitive. My parents couldn't afford anything and I was left out on things. Please be thankful that's what she is doing and spending her money the way she wants. To stop her from proceeding with her dreams and maybe she will sell her stuff. But it makes me feel like if you keep doing this to her, she will stop and find something else to do and hopefully it's not a bad habit. Let.her have her yarn and her dream!!

[@Coeurlarme]

there's a difference between "being left out of things" and telling her to use the 100 of yarn she has around.... Like, surely in ALL her stash she already has something which matches whatever new project she has???

[@paulette1748]

I was in the process of going through my stash and extracting yarn to donate when you posted this video. The letter from the mother who wanted her daughter to plan out her yarn stash prompted me to do that (only mentally, not on paper). With that, I realized more of my yarn should go to a new home where it would be appreciated and used.

[@carlykeenan3875]

For the second story, I agree with the mom in the situation. Even though I was 21 when I picked up crochet, I wish my mom had told me about her secret stash of acrylic yarn because it definitely would have saved me a lot of money and I could have gotten rid of a huge bin of yarn at the same time. There could also be some compromise in the situation other than making a plan for the yarn already acquired, like getting the daughter a gift card for one or two stores that sell the yarn that the daughter wants. I prefer it for Christmas/birthdays because I know that I could change my mind about the yarn I want or there might be a sale somewhere that I did not know about. After listening the story, I have come to realize that I myself also need to make a plan for the yarn in my stash first before buying anymore because I have too much.

[@rebecarojas6851]

Ok so weighing in on the blanket with mistakes, i think its kinda complicated like yes as newbie youre so proud and want to give stuff to friends and family but as you gain experience then you can cringe at the mistakes. Boyfriend had good intentions but friend could have been better at saying thank you and then goodwill. We all have to start somewhere ❤

[@bloomwiththestars]

I would have loved a picture of the blanket. It seems the mistakes were likely obvious by the response from both the boyfriend and the friend. It sounds like this friend is particular and not the person to give a first knit project to, hopefully lesson learned. I think OP needs to practice more before she considers giving another knitted gift and needs to learn how to fix mistakes.

[@debt8632]

This girl is 16 and it's great she has a hobby she loves. She is old enough to get a part time job or do some babysitting or tutoring to earn her own money. Then she can buy whatever she wants and learn how to manage her money.

[@allycantspell8111]

I thought from the title maybe the OP was given a handmade gift and then sold it and so the giftgiver was understandly mad. If i got someone a tool and they ended up using that tool to make money id be bragging about how I helped them start their business because thats so cool. I cant imagine demanding the money back for a gift Lol

[@lisaheld9826]

I think yarn is yarn. Do what makes you happy period. And yarn stashes can become valuable when a color get axed.

[@velvety2006]

I mostly make toys, i think parents will apriaciate it far more when I make it in acrylic that can be washed at 40 degree than some delicate expensive yarn that needs special laundry treatment lol

[@thekillshotsplay1082]

The one where the bf destroyed her blanket. My boyfriend would never do that to me. He usually is like okay let’s spend some time together now and I stop crochet.

[@pantelimaxo7294]

YES! Another reddit story video! These are so nice to listen to while I work on mindless stuff at work.

[@KierstenCartledge]

The people that were so mad at the mom just kinda seem like they’re taking it super personal tbh …. If you’re against overconsumption like, morally, that wouldn’t stop at hobbies. If she just has that moral and thinks it’s right in some way then of course she would want to instill that value in her kid lmao

[@aliciamessina2923]

Just counted my yarn stash, I only have about 12 skeins, and most of it I have projects in mind for. I don’t know how anyone gets up to 100 skeins in their stash, unless they run a business. Also, any gift you get, handmade or not, should be appreciated. Just pretend you like it when you open it. And it’s the thought that counts anyway. Also, handmade items are inevitably gonna have some imperfections in them, that’s the beauty of it. Unless the blanket was completely falling apart, I don’t think the poster was an asshole. As far as the 30 and 18 year old, there were definitely other problems in the relationship that made her decide to leave. If he was that controlling and irrational about the knitting, he’s definitely like that with other things too.

[@CrochetByHazelJ]

I have only been crocheting for a year or so, and I only have about 50 skeins of yarn; I find it a little crazy that this girl has been crochet for a very little amount of time, has over a hundred skeins of yarn! I agree that the girl doesn't need a 'Detailed Plan' for her yarn. The mother most likely does not want to do the one-in, one-out thing with the yarn, because her problem is with the amount that the daughter is asking her to spend a lot of money on the yarn.

[@Elia-DCrea]

Let her buy all the yarn and see how much it cost that's what I commented :) But I also understand that when you have a new craft passion you can buy a tone of materials because you want to have all those differents new things to do it all of now. I have bought a lot of yarn in the beginning too, especially before I knew what my preferences were.

[@CrochetByHazelJ]

@@Elia-DCrea I did also, but I spent my money wisely. The girl in story was 16 and I feel that it is okay that the mother is trying to teach her daughter to spend wisely :) (I am not disagreeing at all with what you're saying, so sorry If it comes across that way)

[@debdeb54]

I am having a nice time watching you make the bucket hat. I also join yarn with knots. Do you have a tutorial, or could you make one showing how you did it? I know that I could slow it down and watch it, but being talked through how you do it would be extremely helpful. I have never seen anyone make the knot the way you do. Thanks, and I am addicted to your channel! 😎

[@amandabower2334]

The story of the parent not wanting to buy the daughter yarn, I would also ask what plans she has for the yarn she wants. I like to make final yarn buying decisions on pretty yarn based on what I want to make with it.

[@georgeweasleyswife]

AGHHHHH YESSS I just watched the last Reddit story video yesterday while crocheting a whole bunch of cats I'm so excited to crochet more cats to Kelsie's commentary. I love the way you view the perspectives of the stories and I love the way you read!

[@JustHarperGray]

Yes, I have an over consumption issue with yarn. It sucks. But I go through it once a year and get rid of things that no longer spark joy or don’t have a purpose. So just teach the daughter to purge every year to six months. Also buy her yarn for Christmas! 😂

[@velvety2006]

i pull everything out before i buy new yarn, more often than not i can do 3 or more projects with the yarn i own lol

[@cuddlycthulu4675]

40:43 i felt that “mmh” in my soul 😂 immediately he’s TA for me

[@kristalpower292]

For the daughter with a yarn maybe the mum could look at some of the knitting and crochet community videos who talk about the overwhelming nature of yarn stashes to watch together. This can mean they could have a discussion about. If the mum is buying the daughter yarn as well as the daughter then the mum can say I’m only going to buy you yarn for your birthday and Christmas. And the other boundary she could set is that the daughter’s yarn has to fit in her room and not take over the rest of the house.

[@i0like0trains0kid]

I had some serious health issues earlier this year and could hardly walk. I picked up crocheting again and started making some afghans. My nephew was due to be born around this time and was inspired to make a blanket in the colors of his parents favorite football teams. It was janky, it was my first time sewing together granny squares. I told them it was a bit janky but they were so honored and loved that I thought of their baby.

[@GraceMariex3]

I love my local crochet/knitting group. So far there has been no drama and everyone seems to get along. We have women as young as mid 20s and some in their 60s. Our whole group is about 45 people but about 12-15 of us are regular. I feel like I’m very productive at our meets. By the way, I had them all making your scrunchies at one point 🥰

[@donnienottello]

I think we as a crafting community need to take more pride in working through our current stashes vs hoarding large amounts of yarn. For the first time in years I’m finally starting to run out of colors of yarn, and I still have so much. My goal is to work through as much of that as possible without buying new yarn just for the hell of it. We should start showing off how much of our stash we can work through! Push against the consumerist tendencies!

[@kailynkausen9445]

Lmao i know someone who would probably say someone needed to pay her back for a gift if they made money on it--and to her it makes total sense! Once her fridge was squealing so she called a handyman and he...cleaned something and charged like a couple hundred, which is a lot. She was like "he's scamming me. I could have done that." And I'm like okay? But you didn't? And you didn't even know that was what you needed to do? She called the company and complained and they gave her some money back. Like even if he went to your house and ended up doing nothing, he had to block out time for you?????? She expected it to be free....

[@alexkass5548]

So I started crocheting last November and have already been crazy about it working on projects daily and constantly in awe over some pretty yarn. Me and my fiance agreed it was the best idea for me to limit my yarn as we are staying with family currently. I have one storage cube in our cube organizer for yarn and when it's full that's it no more yarn until I use some of it up to create space (or I need one more skein to finish off a current project). I think it's good to give yourself some room to buy the pretty yarn but it's important to have a limit on it if you can't use it or at least store it properly then you don't need it right now.

[@imbabey]

13:27 this feels so wrong. Why would you need to 'incentivise her to make more stuff' by buying more yarn? Crafting is fun on its own, you don't need a reward for it😭 I get the feeling this girl doest even like crochet if the only thing she's doing is collecting yarn🙃

[@the_yarn_boy]

So after the guy yelled at his girlfriend for filling time while he was at work by knitting, He cut up a blanket that took her months!!? Dude has serious anger issues, not to mention he’s literally 12 years older than her and she’s just come out of her teenage years?! I’m concerned 🤯😲

[@pearl_b]

Fascinating stories. I audibly gasped at the bf cutting up the blanket one .. I am in disbelief. So happy she got out of the relationship. And omg the yarn group .. I would totally just bail on the whole thing. Ofc it was a religious lady too that was causing drama and being cruel -_-

[@LeahnaCalvin]

Thank you for posting one of these again I love them

[@PassioKnitKelsie]

Thank you for watching!

[@DehydratedHumor]

I love watching the look of horror on a yarn snobs face when I tell them I regularly buy dollar tree yarn

[@phoenixofthegraveyard]

One small note for the daughter yarn stash story: lightly TAH in the “moth-infested yarn” comment. She hasn’t given indication that her daughter is super untidy or filthy; I got a comment like this from a relative while I had a small ant issue in my apartment and basically never spoke to them or made stuff for them again. The ants were nowhere near my yarn and got taken care of by patching the widow trim gap the next week. It is relatively possible to neatly store 100 balls of yarn inexpensively and without infestation. It says something towards how the mother treats her days that she chose that wording.

[@amandafalt]

that second story sounds so insane to me, when i was 16 i had 2 balls of yarn that i would reuse (aka frog it and make something new with it) having 100 at that age is so unnecessary.........

[@sasche23]

I really liked this video, please do more. Also, those last 2 stories were wild. Especially the one with the boyfriend who cut up the blanket. I'm really relieved that she left him!

[@Babybearcroche]

The first story is interesting to me as a non American cuz we don't have big box stores, specially not in my city(small) I always bought my yarn from the same local store since I started crocheting and it's always 100% cotton which is what I use for amigurumi and it's actually cheaper than acrylic (but even if it wasn't I would choose cotton because I despise the texture of acrylic

[@jazzr7817]

The response to the mother with the sixteen years old in calling her the asshole is kinda baffling to me. I did get weird vibes when she mentioned worrying about the hoard of yarn her kid would leave after dying old and gray cuz like bruh what a strange hypothetical to worry about at this point but like having limits for your kids isn't unreasonable nor is her approach. I don't know what "detailed plan" necessarily means but I don't understand what's so crazy about bookmarking a list of patterns and considering what yarn to use with them. Maybe that's cuz I do that already? Like I can't justify buying yarn if I don't already have some idea of what I wanna do with it cuz how much would I even get if I don't know?? And also bruh, I don't know if it's cuz my mom was more frugal growing up but she would NEVER have bought that much yarn for me and let me have HUNDREDS of unused skeins of yarn at sixteen or any age. The thing about Christmas is also borderline meh for me. Like I only got one present from each parent growing up and it wasn't always the number one thing I wanted but I was grateful anyway and it was never that big a deal? Different circumstances for everyone, I guess 🤷

[@Spooky_Sister]

I think the hoarding story, it’s not about the amount but the cost-I think if Mom and daughter sat down and came up with a monthly budget, and if daughter wanted more yarn past the budget she would have to either earn herself/donate/recycle what she has. It’s not only hoarding issue, but a budgeting problem too especially as she learns to balance work/school/hobbies.

[@andreabright8346]

Moms not out of line for being concerned about obsessive consumerism and so forth. Everything she laid out is an exact problem my 37 year old self says. With that said an easier boundary is to make a set amount of space she can use up. So she has a particular shelf, bin size, closet space, etc that she can take up. This helps her stop the hoarding tendencies by putting a space boundary on things. If she wants more items and they don’t fit, she needs to use them up or donate yarn etc.

[@QueenBeasDsgn]

I totally agree with the parent of the 16yr old! Even including writing it up and doing it with her.......only because as a parent and using this as a learning tool and guidence for her daughter, Im sure she wants more yarn because frankly who doesnt when the rotation seems to happen so quick, but the kid has a limited space as i assume its in her room, and she has to learn follow through as the mom said, plus learning that just makes the next project easier to accomplish. writing it down will also help her see how you much she actually has compared to what she actully needs. many other reasons, and mom will deff still buy her some yarn just not a basket full!! NOT the ASSHAT!

[@djadelaney]

"i would die before writing up a plan to use my yarn so yta" that's the silliest nonsense ever. I agree with you that the mom is NTA. Maybe she didnt say it well or maybe the kid is entitled but honestly I wish an adult had kept track of how much yarn I was aquiring and helped me to organize and plan with it 😭 now I'm a grown up and I've figured a lot out on my own but frankly unless its a special indie dye or something unique, it's better to use wherever you buy yarn to store the yarn for you and get it when you need it for something specific. Obviously its good to have some inspiration yarn on hand but now I have so much moth-eaten wool 😭 and I've realized I don't like wearing it as much as I like working with it 😭 I think the mom trying to help her kid build skills is great. I think looking at her 100+ skeins together and deciding what she should make could be fun! and it's just a plan! she can change her mind

[@shellystrunk4010]

I just love to crochet. During the summer I make bags with plarn so I can crochet in the pool or hot tub.😂 I make my plarn from grocery bags and dollar store plastic tablecloths .

[@Dream_of_Duckie]

Omg please more of these videos these are so addicting i wish i had like a 100 video playlist of them they are so soothing and the perfect background for crochet projects.

[@macyhall611]

The guy who ruined the blanket is evil. He needs to find a hobby and stop being a horrible person. I am a 13 year old and i have been crocheting since i was 9, and if i saw one of my blankets cut up and in the trash i would break down in tears and break up with that idiot in a split second 😭 i feel so bad for that girl

[@emiliah2853]

~100 skeins is a lot of money!! Even if it was in the more inexpensive end, let's say 5$ per skein, it's about 500. The parents should break down the cost on a paper for the daughter and compare everything else they could have bought with that money to give her perspective. One could buy a phone, a laptop, several pairs of name brand sneakers, spend two nights in a hotel, buy two weeks worth of groceries... I don't understand why some people think it's unreasonable to not buy her yarn for christmas. She already has an excessive amount of what she's asking for. "But it would make her happy!" Well, I'm sure every other skein she/they have bought made her happy too. That's why she keeps getting them. And that has resulted in having more yarn that she can realistically use right now. I'm sure she has other things she wants and actually needs for a gift.

[@ajlorentz]

I love that you start your DC with stacked single crochet

[@parker6928]

I’d say there’s a difference between an adult and a teenager having a large stash and wanting to buy more yarn. The mother is the one buying for the daughter and understanding the space they having in their home for the daughter to keep adding to that stash. As an adult it’s your money and space to do as you wish. I think coming up with a detailed plan is too much but not wanting to buy her more yarn until more is used is fine.

[@spooky_fig]

love to have these videos in the background while i draw! PLEASE make more reddit crochet videos bc im so invested

[@KnottyAccountant]

Yes, I do not like wool either!! I just do t like how it feels going through my hands. I have made projects with it but I can’t wait to get done so I don’t have to touch it again. Cotton is my first love. Sugerwheel cotton from hobby lobby. So pretty and feels so good in my hands. Thanks for the stories!!

[@De_Nasty]

I call myself a “yarn opportunist” if they sell it there I’m buying it lmao

[@AussieBit451]

The way I would tell Polly to shape up or ship out so fast would make me the asshole lol. Like people know when they overstep and making an entire group of people uncomfortable for no reason and having no one do anything about it makes my blood boil in ways I can’t even explain

[@ja_quon9311]

About the first story with the mum. I feel like she's not the AH, but I do feel like some of the ppl in the comments felt attacked (maybe because they also hoard yarn?) and that's why they labled her as an AH. It's not wrong or AH-ish for the mum to expect her daughter to finish her current couple of projects before she gets new yarn for new projects, ngl. It instills some sort of consistency in the daughter in the end and (idk their financial situation, but knowing that some yarn is expensive as hell while other yarn is not) it does save money (that could protentially go towards future fancier yarn or larger projects or higher quality tools or smth).

[@Sarahluvvie.13]

I always love watching these types of videos! I watch them while crocheting at night or when-ever. Keep going!!!

[@heydievalentin1049]

Absolutely love this series your doing. I love hearing these stories and commenting to my self as I hear them. Love your work, keep it up!

[@SallyJ2000]

I cross stitch that started out with maybe 15 colors to do a project...then more..more..and more. Now I have 2 footstools and a 4 drawer 15 inches wide full of it...and I still need more depending on the project. I have been doing this since the early 80's tho....