Reading Girl Defined's purity book (feat.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

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[@celinepope]

Age 12, sitting on a fence with my male childhood best friend. We were socialized differently in the church due to our different genders. He was telling me what he learned about sex in church, that it is sacred. I was appaled! Never once did they present sex as sacred in young women meetings- it was "you're responsible for every unpure thought a man has about you when you dress immodestly" and shameful ideas around sex. I was jealous that he was taught that. Jesus. I'm 26 and just now rewiring that conditioning.

[@brianwaller7383]

Most men don’t know till neatly age 30 that women are just as sexual as men some even more. Girls aren’t goody two shoes. Once you realize we are both sexual beings, you’ll realize all this sex shame is bullocks

[@AChickandaDuck]

That old saying “sex is evil and destructive, so save it for your eternal companion” 😂

[@celinepope]

@@AChickandaDuck they have to realize the messaging, right? 😆

[@ace_of_cakes]

Honestly never in a million years would I have guessed that Girl Defined had heard of asexuality at all

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

Or believed it could be real, and not an illness! Wow!

[@ninaschust3694]

Cool name. 👍

[@FIRING_BLIND]

I'm assuming they're only ok with it because you can be both straight and asexual at the same time. And it means that person won't "struggle with lust"

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

@@FIRING_BLIND Lol! Joke is on them! This ace woman finds other women very aesthetically attractive and would choose to be gay over straight or bi, if I could choose. Also have a very healthy self-sex life! 😂

[@tonichan89]

Related to this "don't kiss until marriage" thing, I'll never forget a story my mum told me. She was interested in a guy and they went out together. She was attracted to him... until they kissed, because it just felt wrong, like she was kissing her cousin. IMAGINE if that kiss had taken place on their wedding day! 😱

[@jojol.2630]

I think your cat added such valuable insight

[@lilyh9689]

1:00:15 my mom warned me before i went to college that people would try to get me to stop being catholic because of all the "issues with the clergy of the catholic church", among other things and that i needed to be vigilant and keep my faith (apparently that had shaken her faith a bit in college but i had already heard about it?). anyway, jokes on her, i had already kinda planned to quietly leave the church when i was away at college

[@sydneychristensen2058]

Lately I've been thinking more about this Christian concept of everyone, even children, being inherently sinful, bad, broken, terrible. It makes me so angry and sad. Recently I saw a YT video by a Christian woman with toddlers saying her kids have a naturally wicked, sinful and evil nature. It made me sick. The concept of everything natural being evil is actually such an insane control tactic and I wish people could rise above it bc it's just so destructive.

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

That's so sad! I nannied for a woman with similar views, only we also clashed on whether or not one can be 'cured' of being gay. She said it was true because she had been cured, and all I could think was 'brainwashed, you mean?' I am so glad I didn't risk coming out to her!

[@Kirsten_is_cursed10]

The image of them just standing there for SEVERAL minutes while the magazine sits on the ground. 😅

[@ninaradio]

“If you’re not comfortable kissing your partner you’re not ready to make a lifelong commitment to them.” First, AMEN. Second, as someone who grew up in the evangelical bubble now looking back with more insight, I’ve come to feel that the rigid rules and notions of masculinity and femininity are essentially necessary tools for forcing these marriages to last. If men who never should have married their wives in the first place open themselves up to the emotional aspect of their marriages, staying will become unbearable. Likewise if women in those marriages either insist on that emotional connection or allow themselves a sense of agency in their sex life. Masturbation is a massive challenge to sexually incompatible couples. Etc.

[@daisyprayers]

Samantha is so brave for being our tour guide through this ✨radical and liberating✨ topic

[@amberbydreamsart5467]

while they still have huge amounts of terrible, shameful things to say, I have one iota of appreciation that they do talk about female self-pleasure, especially at a young age, because I started around age 9, and at my church when they had The Talk to the confirmation students about sexuality, all talks around porn and masturbation were specifically aimed solely at the men - I felt like a complete monstrous aberration for having a sex drive, especially since mine started younger than a lot of women's, and even just knowing that it wasn't unheard of for girls to have a sex drive probably would have helped a lot. so at least there's one micro-step better at this than my church was growing up. then again discovering fan communities of women creating their own smut on the internet was a big catalyst for me getting an outside perspective, being able to figure out my own sexuality as a lesbian, and getting the fuck out so maybe it's all for the best lol

[@celinepope]

Oh yeah, I discovered by hot tub jets. Lmao ... prayed that is still be able to have babies and that l was sorry

[@braidedgoatee]

Reminds me of how shocked I was he first time a female I knew admitted a "pornography struggle." Let's face it, why would the lying patriarchy have any reason to teach women to suppress sexual urges. Teaching men to supress sxual desires lessens competition in the straight world. Teaching women to supress them would just cause scarcity in the sexual selection for those who are straight. Until you are forced to give up polygamy by external forces, at which point you might turn to homosexuality hidden by different "sacred" names as a way to better get away with sex with multiple people being hidden because people conditioned to believe sex is simply between male and female would easily fall prey to just considering it something else. I worry that is the real reason some of the higher ups in the church are concerned about accepting homosexuality because some of their groomed victims would realize they were sexual victims instead of "being blessed by their priesthood leaders." It always bothered me that in youth leadership, you had to have two leaders when the gender was different, but one was sufficient when the gender was the same.

[@misha_stupidyttookmyname]

I'm pretty sure i was younger than 9. I just can't remember when masturbation wasn't part of my falling asleep ritual. And my very christian mother only told me not to do it in public. I learned what it was called and all the anatomy stuff when i was around 12 i think. I don't remember being ashamed of it or trying not to do it. But i also don't remember if anyone tried to make me feel ashamed or not. It's entirely possible that my parents just ignored it because they didn't know how to deal with it.

[@hannajung7512]

what christians leave out conviently to man is that the bible says also, that the body of the man is owned by the women, and both are equal in their duty to care for the needs of their partner. Which I think obviously means, that if a woman does not want to have sex, her husband is not allowed to use his body to do the sex with her, and his duty would rather be to create an environment in which her needs are met in the way needed for her to want sex with him. But of course the mostly male Christian leaders just ignore that part.

[@amberinthemist7912]

Ime leaders didn't ignore that part they just understand it differently. It was also presented to be at the man is also not allowed to say no. The husband isn't ever under any obligation to give the woman an orgasm but he also can't say no to sex. It's all a bunch of toxic bs though. Probably not going to be a mutually satisfying relationship based on advice from people who viewed women as property so best to ignore entirely.

[@amberinthemist7912]

There's no biblical duty for husband's to create an environment for his wife to want to have sex with him. It would be nice but it doesn't say that anywhere in the bible.

[@hannajung7512]

@@amberinthemist7912 the thing is... in the medieval times this was actually viewed differently. And even just 50 years ago in Germany, when "no-guilt divorce" was not a thing yet, divorce because one partner did not meet the others sexual needs was legal. Women had ... in theory... absolutly the right to divorce a husband that did not satisfy them. While I agree that the whole concept is toxic either way, the passage is in my eyes pretty clear about the fact that both partners are equally obligated to sexually satisfy the other. And it is a pretty recent developement that this is interpreted as "just having sex" and is based in a worldview in which women are either whore or respectable wife, and people started to think that women do not enjoy sex anyway and orgasms are maybe even fake. Befor it was even condidered a husbands duty to pleassure his wife because it was believed to be necessary for pregnancy (do not let me get started on what that ment for rape victims that got pregnant). My point is: while this particular advise is still toxic and unhealthy, it was not allways viewed and lived as one sided as in evangelical christianity.

[@nerdoftheatre]

12:48 "All of us have dealt with sexual sin." Me, a sex-repulsed asexual that is uncomfortable with the idea of participating in sex and someone who does not feel sexual attraction: Right, *all* of us. Mmmhmm. Totally.

[@Constantin9va]

You are creating a new purity culture, and I guess you are allowed to do that, but it’s pretty creepy and gross.

[@timnewman1172]

Yeah, as a cis/ace male with a high libido, I find sex just gross...

[@venlakirahvi]

@@Constantin9va Are you aware of what asexuality is? An asexual person describing their own personal feelings, not pushing that as a general truth, has nothing to do with purity culture. It's about individuals being different and having different experiences

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

Same!!! Also aromantic over here.

[@chlyri]

i'm pretty sure they think asexuality is its own sin.

[@JP-JustSayin]

I saw a commenter else where on YT that said essentially "people that are not responsible enough to use birth control don't deserve access to abortions ... because that'll teach 'em!" (!?)... two responses. Apparently folks that are "too irresponsible to manage birth control" make good parents...!? 🤷‍♂️ And ... imagine living in a society that sees your whole life and your every need as being a form of "consequences" for some one else's deviation from society's sexual Norms. 🙃 Jesus.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

So they’re not responsible enough for birth control but somehow responsible enough to make and raise children?? Lmao

[@Alexis-tx5en]

Birth control isn’t even 100% foolproof

[@chlyri]

it all falls down to the "that'll teach 'em!"

[@stephencolon2760]

Imagine being the child who grew up as your parents’ “punishment.”

[@chlyri]

@@stephencolon2760 lol, some of us don't have to.

[@virginianielsen3480]

The fact that I got lingerie ads during this video 👌👌

[@Constantin9va]

Dang, just the Olive Garden and mail order 👰🏼‍♀️👰🏻‍♀️👰🏽‍♀️👰🏽‍♀️👰🏾‍♀️👰🏿‍♀️👰🏻‍♀️👰🏼‍♀️👰🏼‍♀️👰‍♀️

[@brandy31d]

I did too. Totally good 💫

[@michelleswapp7219]

I feel like Tanner's fruit joke did NOT get enough appreciation. 👏

[@emilypeterson8817]

Or the G-spot joke. “The God spot.” 😂

[@thisurldoesnotexist]

"Everyone is sexually broken" Asexuals: Excuse me?

[@ka8544]

I’m binging your girl defined videos now that I’ve entered this cinematic universe, and I just keep imagining Dav watching every single one of these and it helping him deconstruct. I hope that’s true.

[@ladybird5000]

what a cursed book, thank you for reading it so that none of us ever have to 🙏

[@CaraBrook]

The delight I felt when I saw you were reviewing this book!

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

You’re gonna learn so much!!!!

[@crazyhairqueen704]

So I am from Germany and in my religious group there was a habit of doing the government contracty thing on one day and the wedding ceremony with a pastor on another day. So I got some discussion about which day is your "actual" wedding day before God... My mom got married again, when I was 12. Our pastor declined to do the churchy blessing part because he didn't feel it from God (he was right, they don't fit, but we were angry at him and found us a new church). So my parents got just married by Government standard. Also my youth pastor got some shit from people, because he married by Government several month before the churchy blessing thing but he and his wife were living together since the Government part. Because in God eyes you are only married after the blessing, but my youth pastor said, it was OK after the Government part. Our youth group was split on this one... This is so fucked up now for me...

[@mintyfreshest]

"pre-defined holes" made me laugh WAY too hard. I think that should be the new term for agab in the trans community.

[@blmarcom87]

I could listen to you 3 beautiful people read and comment on instruction manuals, and be wildly entertained. Amazing content.

[@flamingoqueen281]

I have a vague memory of finding a picture of a topless woman when I was a child. I giggled about it a little, then I left it where I found it and went on with my life.

[@mrspreminger]

Bethany is especially deplorable because she fully admitted to first meeting her husband when he was 16 and she was 22. You can find it if you search “Our Christian Dating Love Story with Dav and Bethany” I never liked Kristen and Bethany for pretty obvious reasons, and I was really disgusted to find this out. Unfortunately not surprised though, since predatory behavior is often overlooked or dismissed by fundies.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Oh wow, she’s 6 years older?

[@Joseph_McGinnis]

Goofy girl defined clearly doesn’t know the soaking exploit 😎

[@timnewman1172]

Or the "poophole loophole"...

[@emilyrln]

I love it when your cats show up!!!

[@brookestoddard1838]

They rebranded to "Self cultivation." It's from a podcast called Heaven in your Home

[@helenr4300]

Asexuals are good at being pure in mind when a teen etc (I never felt any of those sexual attractions you and others describe). But then we would be considered sexually broken when pushed into marriage.

[@timnewman1172]

When I was a kid, National Geographic was considered "pornographic"... LOL!!!

[@timnewman1172]

And don't get me started on the Sears Catalog...

[@piccolomouse]

I've been moralizing a lot of my thoughts lately. Thanks, I needed to hear this

[@bradiedean7466]

Thank you Tanner for clarifying that not everyone feels the drive for a sexual partner! I'm ace so we tend to either ignored, pathologized, or having our libido conflated with our lack of attraction!

[@matthewjohnson3656]

PLEASE REMAKE THAT SONG WITH HIGHER QUALITY!!! I will definitely donate if you do

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

On it!!

[@heybay2625]

The assertions that are made here without evidence or data just astound me. So many circular arguments about chastity, virtue, and sexuality with "evidence" from people who are the chief architects of said purity culture.

[@celinepope]

My new fav channel and trio. Glad this crossover happened. Nuanceho brought me here.

[@abbyshultz]

This christian woman's experience with masturbation is just how I experienced it. I spent the majority of my life hating myself because of my natural feelings and urges. I felt like I was naturally more sinful than others. It spread into every aspect of how I conceptualize myself, and I'm now trying to break down those harmful beliefs.

[@celinepope]

You are normal and healthy. I'm sorry you were ever made to be ashamed.

[@jessilovely]

Cara!! Looking like a whole BOSS ❤ this book reminds me of my childhood. We had to do this thing called “passport to purity” where in my case my mother took me on a retreat and taught me abstinence. There was a deflated water balloon analogy “try putting the water back into that little hole, Jessica” and you get a purity ring as a promise to your future spouse. My mother confessed to me how she’d kissed a guy in college who was NOT MY FATHER 😱 😱 it seemed like a big deal to her and I couldn’t bring myself to tell her that the week before I’d played spin the bottle and dares like strip naked and run around on our school trip to France. And that I’d been masturbating since I was 8. No way was I going to give up one of my only sources of dopamine 🤣

[@katharina9318]

(I am in no way a believer but I have to note that government weddings nowadays are not the same as religious weddings. So their wedding is not about tax. People have a court wedding and their religious one. That said I do agree that the construct of getting married has a questionable origin.)

[@jasminegold6890]

I'm a diehard Christian but I love your channel! I often attend youth group meetings because my best friend is Mormon and the segregation between boys and girls is wrong and very cultish

[@timnewman1172]

57:38 or as George Carlin said "If God didn't want us to masturbate, He would've made our arms shorter"...

[@emilyrln]

Even if He had, life, uh, finds a way…

[@chrewtransformation]

58:48 😂 Saying homosexuality or masturbation isn't NATURAL, but then saying in the same breath, the NATURAL man is an enemy to God...

[@shaylee85]

Carah, your crop top was SO distracting that I couldn't focus on the content! 😡 JUST KIDDING. 😂 As someone who is completely obsessed with the fundiesnarkuncensored subreddit, this collab & video brought me so much joy. The three of you have the greatest energy and I appreciate your commentary! 💜

[@bookslikewhoa]

This was an absolute banger- so interesting to see exMos responding to the fundie flavor of sexual shame 🤡. Extra props to Tanner for making me awkwardly laugh out loud in the coffee shop I was working in

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

I actually feel like they were seeing XX stuff. I ran into that kind of media all the time in my city. It was definitely x-rated. Additionally, the fact that she says she doesn't understand what they were doing makes me feel like it probably was sexual acts

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

One of the first ways my mind changed was when I started to see how silly it was to hold sex as this holy-life-creating-priesthood. I thought, 'I mean rats and cockroaches do the same thing, yo.'

[@dronexfun8469]

There were definitely magazines with explicit sex. Playboy was more "artistic".

[@alexreid1173]

I didn’t grow up Christian or anything, so the idea of a god making people and then demanding they worship him sounds lowkey insane to me. I just keep getting the idea that the Christian god doesn’t even deserve to be worshiped lol

[@dronexfun8469]

Nothing deserves to be worshipped.

[@SilverDragonJay]

Them "endorsing masturbation" by calling it "self-preparation" makes me think that their respective husbands are just shit at sex and if they don't do some prep work they simply won't come, and now they're trying to justify it as "normal". After all, why would you need to masturbate before sex if you were engaging in foreplay with your husband? In my view, masturbation is a replacement for sex with a partner (either because you don't have a partner, or one of you just isn't interested in sex at the moment). Its not really a thing that you mix with sex unless its a fetish (like voyeurism/exhibitionism kind of thing). That's my view at least. Them re-branding it into "self-preparation" just makes it seem like they're trying to put the responsibility of coming entirely onto the woman and excuse the husband for being selfish in bed and unwilling to compromise or communicate.

[@Alex-zh2jv]

I worked at a Chick-Fil-A in San Antonio TX and regularly served these guys 😅

[@amy_pieterse]

Yay. I made it to the live 🎉

[@matty7dream1]

You guys are better than Friends and Big Bang theory put together. I’m lovin’ it ha ha.

[@tararose5136]

ew self preparation sounds like the guy doesnt wanna learn how to touch her so she has to do it herself and only bc she realized it hurt when she was too dry so her solution is to make herself wet so he can just do his buisness and leave with as little pain from dryness and friction as possible. but marital rape isnt a thing no not a chance

[@kaviweaver5152]

Consider the 11 year old of the suburbs 😂

[@shaylanelson4204]

Love you three (and Jared) thank u for putting in the real work ❤

[@bri7478]

My favorite part was Tanner’s sweater having the same colors as the cover of Ace by Angela Chen 😄

[@leahtheanimationfan40]

Looking forward to listening to this gem during work today 😂

[@coocamungas]

Lol my grandpa was a convert and we had a family reunion at my great uncles house. He was eccentric but I remember a book that each page had a piece of clothing removed. It was shocking for me as a young Mormon girl hahaha.

[@mayakarlinsey6057]

This video is gold

[@eiluvart0416]

I loveeee the hair sam💜💜

[@sarawillett7431]

You know Tanner grew up a sheltered Mormon boy cause he doesn’t know about magazines that show “full intercourse”. 😂 I almost think he’s lying but I do remember him saying he never touched himself, so maybe he’s being honest.

[@lalawindterra7368]

12:28 so, you can foreplay yourself for your spouse. . . Is that what that is?

[@chispitablanca]

This format is 10/10!

[@emilybixler3166]

The point where you discuss "how did they feel the moment they first felt sin" I can give my take on that. Due to both alexithymia and an ED I did not experience sexual attraction at all until well into adulthood. I started ED recovery at the same time I started a medication that treated my alexithymia. And the first time I experienced sexual attraction, I lgot so overwhelmed by it that I was on the brink of a panic attack. Like, as I'd never experienced it before I was actually terrified. Luckily my friend was there to kinda talk me through it. But yeah, it freaked me the fuck out.

[@Myladyinred999]

Sry I just started watching and was wondering - do you guys realize that a lot of Girl Defined’s content around sexuality and especially masturbation and sex toys has significantly changed recently? There have also been a lot of popular KZbinrs commenting on their very surprising new opinions on things. I hope you’re going to read the book with also their brand new perspectives in mind and comment on their journey 👍 Thank you so much for everything you do ❤ Means the world to me 🙃

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Yes! I watched Bethany’s interview with some Christian sex talking head and was surprised!

[@LittleMissLounge]

Sam, where did you get that adorable top?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

free people! :)

[@ridgebackmomma6261]

If they think this is bad, I wonder what they would think about my daughter watching the first season of nurse Ratched on Netflix? She’s nine years old. When I saw it on Netflix I said “hmm..what’s this? “She said “oh it’s nurse Ratched I already watched it. It’s OK.” Then I watched it😮

[@elise12345]

My understanding is that Hustler Magazine has pretty graphic images, not just nudity.

[@pimpgrizzle]

Tanner you are goddamn hilarious 🤣🤣. Sam, you are brilliant 💖 I love the commentary and Banter you two have.

[@MxPdog]

I'm convinced they found a cosmo, with like the "95 ways to please your man" and the pic was like a mouth with a grape in it moving towards a man's nipple No one knows what's going on in cosmo 😅😅😅

[@JM-pg5rc]

No, it was probably a hard core mag. They existed before the internet.

[@MxPdog]

@@JM-pg5rc and cosmo started in 1886, what's your point? Odds of homeschooled kids in super christian gated community Texas in 1997 finding a hard-core mag just on the ground in their HOA controlled wealth zone is pretty low compared to a cosmo or nat geo with a slightly lewd image

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

Totally enjoy when you guys are less structured.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

Keep spinning those wheels! We love hearing it, Tanner.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

"I HAVE tried that life" is totally my kids' step dad. Experienced deep shame for loving women got drunk too much, for a bit, but found so much more happiness when he came back. Now my kids, I sense, are too smart to buy all the LDS stuff, but are nonetheless super committed because they're certain the covenant path is the happiest one available to them.

[@tararose5136]

i want the light thing in yur hallway i need a link what is it

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

www.amazon.com/dp/B0924FQFP1/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_ZBZ8PCP6CK33GF8YWM33?linkCode=ml2&tag=zelontheshe-20 :)

[@kpyne0933]

I loved this one!

[@acronen]

So what I got out of the opening, by "burying" the dirty magazine they mean Bethany hid it under her bed to "read for the articles, and deep philosophical thought" from time to time.

[@braidedgoatee]

Whether or not a person is better or worse coming from the situations of casual sex, etc. is subjective. Consider the possibility that they don't fit the societal belief of what is good because they simply aren't as broken as society. To the broken, the unbroken may seem broken. They may be exposed to different points of view that actually help them learn and grow beyond the collective stupidity. Many people understand that a combination of people is likely to be able to be smarter than the individual but forget that collective stupidity is also a possibility where the mass of people become more stupid than any one individual in that group. Wich is why you should always question everything regardless of how many people support it.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Absolutely. As we talk about in this video, it’s not about casual sex vs sex after marriage, it’s about having a healthy, intentional, shame-free approach to sex, however much or little sex that leads to you having! Consciousness over arbitrary ideas!

[@pennamealias]

Thank you for highlighting that Jesus wants us to just love one another.

[@jamybailey]

So I noticed that Sam and Carah are BFFs. Tanner, I'm happy to fill the slot of your BFF. 😅😊👏😇

[@savantianprince]

Separation is not good. We must learn to unify as one. We are whole. Humanity needs to lesrn how we are interconnected. It's ok to be yourself.

[@zyishere]

Always love listening to your perspectives, I do want to disagree that I think seeing a pornography magazine does bring different feelings compared to seeing a family member naked, I remember stumbling across them at a young age and feeling a bit of shame and guilt from it

[@beccafichtner5305]

Is the "outcome" of a child more related to the marriage status or the financial status?

[@chlyri]

i mean, poor parents can be good parents, but financial stress is more likely to make bad parents. whether or not you're married literally has no clear impact on your ability to be a decent parent.

[@TheKendylDiaries101]

I love you guys 😂😂😂❤

[@captmalingering]

It’s so cringe and so familiar as a dyed in the wool Mormon growing up in SLC in the 90’s. Ex-mo for 18 years living it up in full tilt nihilism and only just now deconstructing all the harmful teachings forced upon me from birth that have warped my sense of self and self worth in an effort to not pass on the generational trauma to my daughter. Also, Tanner, where do you get your sweatshirts? Love the aroace representation on this one!

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

i get most of mine from savers, but i think that one originally came from h&m!

[@wavingcat5]

Full penetration magazine pornography was a whole thing, that maybe you don’t know about because people now look for that on the internet. Reason I know is several occasions when we found them in the park with a few pages stuck together! Someone must have had the audacity or desperation to mail order them or even walk into a shop and buy them I guess.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Damn!

[@azlizzie]

Yep. I stole my dad's probably just as much or more than my brothers did. Lmao. Oh how glad I am I wasn't part of a repressive religion. My parents didn't even shame me when they found it and discarded it.

[@JM-pg5rc]

Talking about being a child finding a porn magazine could have been me. I also never saw my mother naked and only my apostate sister topless once when she was changing. Aren’t most Mormon moms very careful about not letting the children see them nude? At 11, I looked through graphic porn mags at a friend’s house. At 12, I found a mag in a camper. And more than once we used to come upon magazines just laying on the ground. You all probably have never seen hard core mags because of your generation.

[@michelleswapp7219]

25:40 Cara's expression 😂

[@jamesgreen5298]

I think it's the underwear secton of a department store catalog.

[@kimtopology4257]

The Bible says that we are to deaden our body members I can't remember the chapter but a person who is single needs to pray for this and God would help a single person to resist the temptation and wait until marriage or get married Paul says it is better for the people to get married than to succumb to temptation .

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

We don't think its helpful to look at human sexuality through a shame lens (ie "temptation"). It's just a normal part of our existence that can be approached with curiosity, rather than paranoia. Consent, respect, communication-- these are what matter, not what people in the iron age may have believed about sex.

[@kimtopology4257]

@@ZelphOntheShelf So are you both in an agreement to have sex with people who you don't know their lets say dating profile that well the thing is you don't know how many people that person has slept with . I think waiting before marriage is a protection their is STD'S and of course Aids is rampant . Condoms are not a 100% preventable you marry a person that is a virgin your protected from these things .

[@timnewman1172]

Tanner @0:22 He sees you when you're sleeping, He knows when you're awake...

[@boop27407]

Tanner- respectfully, what porn do you watch? And where do I find it? And what terms should I search? And how many tissues do I need to dry my eyes with?? Seriously, some actually interesting porn with good emotionally connected vibes sounds so lovely

[@LinRock]

Loads of Best of in this

[@SartorialDragon]

Tanner are you wearing an enby colors sweater on purpose????

[@pilgrimspromise1132]

Wait, tanner just casually says he came back to Christianity? Does he talk about that anywhere??

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

not sure which part you’re talking about here, but i’ll say i don’t believe “traditional” christian dogmas like the literal bodily resurrection of christ, the necessity of ordinances, or the divinity of the bible. i am a christian insofar as my devotion to christ ultimately “saved” me from such dogmas and introduced me to a more progressive, naturalistic, and universal model of understanding that both transcends and integrates my christianity.

[@AChickandaDuck]

Damn Carah is looking gorgeous! 😍

[@SnuggleBunnyBaby]

I discovered playboy magazines in friends brothers room when we were kids (we were nosy lol) and I absolutely remember photographed sex scenes... it was full blown hard-core like the shit you see on ph but still... I definitely remember actual sex photographed on those pages

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Oh wow

[@Chekoz]

What exactly is toxic masculinity?

[@mikw2026]

Is the guy and the girl with bangs dating ?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Nope!

[@Geoplanetjane]

What about the 6 year old kid in Virginia who shot his teacher? A twisted person already or Nikolas Cruz who killed all those people at the high school in Florida.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Could be born a psychopath neurologically, could have been deeply messed up by trauma-either way it seems like the main question should be how on earth a six year old had access to a gun.

[@The_Other_Ghost]

I feel rather educated, magazines do exist...

[@archiesinclair6252]

Brilliant. Almost as funny as "the chosen".

[@bradiedean7466]

We are made in his image and he is perfect but we are inherently broken and sinful from birth but we are fearfully and wonderfully made????? Make it make sense

[@lorrainefranchi9105]

Biologically- sex is an instinct to ensure the perpetuation of the species.

[@marstar9410]

I love your content, as always! One note: I think that many of your viewers would appreciate you using more accurate language when referring to afab and amab individuals. For example when talking about "women's bodies", it seems like you're referring to female bodies or afab bodies. I know that a lot of your viewers are outside of the gender binary, and so is one of Tanner's partners, and generally it's just good to use more accurate and intentional language. Thank you for creating the content that you do :)

[@Endogal]

All of this.