Reading Guide for an Ecological Civilization

[@johncrwarner]

Thank you for the reference to Tao Yuanming I had forgotten his influence on Chinese poetry. So I ordered both versions. Red Pine's translation because it is the complete works and i is bilingual and I studied Chinese a LONG time ago. David Hinton has translated Du Fu's poetry - a later Tang poet and the successor school to Tao Qian, the Shanshui movement His anthology is called "Mountain Home" and might be worth checking out even though the subtitle calls them "The Wilderness Poetry of Ancient China" when this style is from the Tang and Song dynasties which are early medieval in our chronology.

[@Orpheuslament]

@@johncrwarner Thanks for the comment - you might be interested in my video on traditional chinese literature where I mention a bunch of the authors I've been learning about lately. The video is a bit dated because I've spent most of the last 9 months obsessed with chinese civilization so an update video is due soon.

[@cola3173]

Read “Thinking Nature: An Essay in Negative Ecology” by Sean McGrath

[@Typis_Esdrae]

Thank you.

[@ramon2008]

An ecological civilization is an oxymoron

[@Orpheuslament]

@@ramon2008 How can you be so confident? In the scope of humanity civilization is very young and there is no good reason why it cannot be locally sustainable.

[@johncrwarner]

@@Orpheuslament I think @ramon2008 thinks there is a contradiction between civilisation and nature. There is a writer Timothy Morton who has written several books on this issue "Being Ecological" which suggests this is a major problem and we might need to do as the title of another book of his "Ecology without Nature". I was thinking about these texts when I was watching your video.

[@Orpheuslament]

@@johncrwarner I've read some of Timothy Morton and didn't find his work valuable personally. I hear this idea that civilization is contrary to nature but I've never heard a good argument for it.

[@Calemore2212]

Thank you for this!

[@Orpheuslament]

@@Calemore2212 I'm happy to share it

[@sjuvanet]

sup drake. thanks for making this ^_^

[@mitchell8151]

Do you have a link to that passage from Leopold?

[@Orpheuslament]

@@mitchell8151 Just put it in the description - thanks for the reminder.

[@mitchell8151]

@@Orpheuslament no problem! Thank you

[@mayfly-in-may]

Ecology is a science and this is junk. Chinese poetry? Read literally any textbook on ecology. What is wrong with you. This is like making a reading list for mathematical physics and adding Lucretius. These are mood-books. And what on earth do you mean you've never heard anybody talks about how oil influences economics? Try reading literally anything from the past 20 years and, wow, everyone is talking about oil. And looking further into it, oh wow, people have developed a quantitative understanding of ecology, it's incredible what you find once you accept that you aren't the smartest person born in the last 50 years.

[@Orpheuslament]

What a worthless comment. People like you need to read the books I mentioned.

[@mayfly-in-may]

@@Orpheuslament I am a literal scientist who studies ecology bro!!!

[@Orpheuslament]

@@mayfly-in-may You also happen to be a narrowminded doofus who doesn't value other cultures.

[@mayfly-in-may]

@@Orpheuslament >publish a video with no knowledge of the subject matter >get criticized for it >cry racism cool bro. pick up a textbook. there are plenty of introductory ones. but seriously are you implying that what china has no scientific culture? I don't understand it. There are so many incredible papers coming out of china but I guess you wouldn't know that.

[@Orpheuslament]

@@mayfly-in-may Are you implying a scientific understanding is all one needs to understand the world around us? If so you have no hope. Rex Weyler is on my side. www.greenpeace.org/international/story/29757/ecology-reading-list-self-isolating-environmentalists-coronavirus/