Reading The Worst Frostpunk 2 Hot Takes

[@poplovegaming]

P.S. If you want a serious video that isn't about a stupid guy reading stupid internet comments for laughs, you can catch a full FP 2 review on my channel and a couple of guides.

[@alexdolezalu9066]

If he's hungry, why did he go into an art gallery?

[@the_aurora]

because it said mcdonalds on the facade

[@alexdolezalu9066]

@@the_aurora But it didnt. We knew what the game would be before it was even announced, but people just decided to ignore all of that and then put on a surprised pikachu face. You don't order a pineapple pizza and then complain there's pineapple on your pizza.

[@DraganAlves]

I love the new direction they took. I’m enjoying the game. Lots of interesting choices to make.

[@WarlordSdocy]

Personally I think both sides have gotten a bit crazy, the people bashing on the game this much and the people unconditionally praising it to counter the haters. Personally to me the game is a solid 8/10, I think the original is overall better in most aspects but that doesn't mean Frostpunk 2 is like the worst game of all time and horrible. If anything I just want them to fix the problems I have with it (mainly that the difficulty falls away too fast as I felt like I was able to snowball and build huge resource stockpiles that made it impossible to lose) so that it can live up to or even pass the original. I just wish more people would be more nuanced about the games but I guess that's just sort of how it works on the internet.

[@paxluporum4447]

@@WarlordSdocy a voice of reason!

[@cemoguz2786]

I do not agree about frostpunk is better on alot of aspects. first game was for casual after youo figure out what is going on and know the map. this one adds more complexity with other mechanics make you more hesitant to make choice. Best I can say is both are good games and not say better.

[@WarlordSdocy]

@@cemoguz2786 Interesting, cause personally I have the exact opposite experience. Frostpunk 1 felt like it provided a challenge throughout my whole playthrough as trying to keep up my tech to have good enough heat while also keeping up resources felt like it was always a challenge through the whole game. Sure there were moments when things were going good but a temperature drop on the horizon would threaten to make things tough again. Frostpunk 2 has challenge in the early stages when you're just getting establish but once I reach a point where I have close to a million fuel and food stockpiled it sort of just becomes impossible to lose which takes the a lot of the fun out of the experience. Atleast that was my experience playing through on Steward, I'm doing a Captain difficulty play through now so I'll see if my opinion changes after that but I feel like it won't cause there isn't really anything that significantly challenges you after you start stockpiling tons of resources.

[@muratira1]

Some of these are rather cringy, but there are legitimate issues with the games. The music generally felt better/more bombastic in Frostpunk 1 (especially the storm music). The railroading feels overall worse, with the last chapter in particular (which I will not spoil) happening even with max trust and relations. Debatable UI design in some places. And districts, by themselves, do feel extremely weak. Unless you construct buildings in them they are garbage and in some cases those singular buildings will be worth more than the whole district. As for the 'modern audiences' thing. If I see developers say something like that at least I would get early warning that they don't care about the previous fans and are about to make some slop that nobody wants.

[@paxluporum4447]

@muratira1 For me it's the intro cinematic that sums up everything. In Frostpunk 1 it sounds like a speech the Captain was giving himself to the Londoners to inspire them into staying. Just listen to it again. The words cut so deep. The sequel cinematic is week as all can be and did nothing to get the blood pumping.

[@muratira1]

@@paxluporum4447 For me a weak intro can pretty easily be compensated for, so it's not that big of a factor. If a game manages to captivate you as the story goes and the last thing, the ending, is not horrible as to poison that captivation, a weak intro COULD be ignored.

[@paxluporum4447]

@muratira1 You're right of course. I'm still buying this game when I get paid. But, it doesn't make me confident in my future purchase. Maybe the game will still captivate me. At this point with everything I've seen and heard it could go either way.

[@Herbertti3]

I did not want frost punk with new paint nor frost politics. I wanted new mechanics, more buildings, production chains etc.

[@Texlow]

I would focus less on the number of hours spent playing behind these reviews in the future. People persevere, they've waited a long time for this plus $40-60 to play it, so of course they're going to play it. I spent 11.6 hours in total and I can confidently say that Frostpunk 1 was a substancially more enjoyable experience than FP2, yet I'm still going to get my money's worth playing it. My playtime does not lessen my negative thoughts on the game.

[@poplovegaming]

It's just a joke video it's not that deep. Spend your time how you want to, but there's never going to be a "getting your money's worth" when you know you don't like something and keep going.

[@LoremIpsum905]

​@@poplovegaming I know this on an intellectual level, and yet I keep trying to convince myself that Stellaris is fun. Maybe just one more mod will do it...

[@EddieNoon]

I'm still very near to the start- But it's amazing so far. I feel like they've done really well to preserve the feeling of Frostpunk 1, but on a larger scale, which makes sense- people have been living for 30 years, of course the ones who survive will be in larger groups. And I feel like a lot of the intimacy of the first game is preserved by the council and factions. It also makes you feel terrible about your actions. All those poor seals... Can't wait to keep playing. Edit: Also, the "DEI/modern audience" stuff is so funny. No matter your race, age, gender, etc. you can mine coal for the generator. The City Must Survive!

[@EddieNoon]

Also, the idea of a pvp or pve frostpunk is... Actually kinda cool, I can only imagine how brutal it would be, with both sides already just steps away from freezing to death. ...I also still want a scenario/spin-off where we captain a Dreadnought...

[@dayman4152]

I am loving the game, despite the performance issues. There are allot of factions to meet a deal with and it’s dope. I do wish they had more of the animated art drops though. Those were so beautiful and I miss them!!!

[@Capense-q9m]

Frostpunk 1: makes you feel the pain of loss of a small community Frostpunk 2: makes you understand the apathy of turning people into numbers

[@generalro6ert]

The second game is still as difficult as the first Frostpunk… it will put you in a false sense of calm

[@manvelmsurian9712]

My only real problem with fp2 is the shit optimisation. I have 30 fps on very low settings. That is dumb

[@kbjosekiller]

Fr im lucky my 1650 gtx can load it in low I hate the f optimization

[@jimjones2256]

For people saying it's over priced, it was released day one on game pass for pc and xbox, £8.99 a month and you get 450+ games with that cost.

[@generalro6ert]

Love how FrostPunk 2 is a continuation of the first game… not sure how people don’t enjoy it and of course it wasn’t gonna be anything like the first game… also interested to see where the storyline goes… STILL WANT IT TO BE A NETFLIX SERIES

[@gaborhorvath1794]

Played only a few hours -> how would you know if the game is bad if you only played few hours Played lots of hours -> how dare you say it is bad if you played so many hours Prefers concept of FP1 over FP2 but still continues to play FP2 -> how dare you say it is bad if you played so many hours etc etc who is allowed to tell their opinion? No one?

[@poplovegaming]

It's literally a joke video, don't overthink it

[@gaborhorvath1794]

@@poplovegaming ah okay :D sorry

[@77Zenin77]

Am pretty sure 90% of the people who complain about districts and economy did exackly the same thing i did: Tried for the first time, had no idea what to do, failed after like an hour or two. But where i and many other people went back, analysed their mistakes and tried again, they probably just decided that game is too hard, too complicated or doesn't make sense and instead or fixing their mistakes just decided it's broken.

[@SonnyBCreative]

you def have to pay attention in the beginning. If you dont, youll fail very very easily.

[@andreypopov3400]

“There are good mobile strategy games” Name one

[@keeez]

Pretty sure Arknights is good

[@poplovegaming]

Such a bad faith comment like some of those Steam ones lol, I guess we are pretending we can't google these things now

[@andreypopov3400]

@@keeez hm. Never heard of it. But looking at the screenshots, overall design and the free-to-play pricetag I say it’s another gacha game, where the in-game balance is shifted towards the player continually paying real cash for in-game currency and consumables just to stay afloat. If it isn’t - let me know and I’ll give it a shot, but I’m sceptical

[@paxluporum4447]

@@andreypopov3400 Raid Shadow Legends!!!!!!!! Just kill me.

[@andreypopov3400]

@@poplovegaming no amount of googling help. I get only free-to-play "give-me-money-or-suffer" crap. That's why I'm asking.

[@MaryLoveJane]

So many of the negative reviews are just wild, I’m glad I’m not the only flabbergasted by them 😅 I just finished my first campaign a little bit ago and I enjoyed myself, the ending got me hyped for upcoming expansions/DLC! While there are things that I think could be improved in FP2 and I am absolutely obsessed with FP1, even the original felt like they could’ve done a lot more with the game, but I still love it. I do hope this sparks 11Bit Studio to revisit the original and give us some new updates/DLC and/or a remaster of the game. It’s not an old game but it had so much untapped potential, which is why we’re seeing such ridiculous opposition to its predecessor.

[@hermessyndicate7938]

I actually tried to give it a chance. Bought it, played it for 2 hours and thought about supporting the studio that made my other favourite games like Frostpunk and This war of mine but I ended up refunding it as I knew I wasn't going to play it ever again. The Graphics and feeling is definitely Frostpunk but the gameplay just feels basic and simple. Feels... arcade or mobile. For example in the first mission I played at my pace and got into trouble running out of food in time. On the second playthrough I just built all the districts from the start and finished the mission with 20 weeks to spare so just waited around.... Doesn't feel as tense as the first one.

[@Shauntheduke.]

Well to be fair the first mission is literally a tutorial almost so I’d hope by your second run you’d be able to pass by it lmao.

[@hermessyndicate7938]

@@Shauntheduke. True, it is the tutorial. But the game didn't give me a feeling that adding more complexity or challenges would be fun. Already refunded it and moved on to something else.

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

The ui could be a bit better, but the game is great

[@dawidwidera1819]

I loved 1st game. +600 hours, almost all achievements. I don't like Frostpunk 2 tho... I don't know what's wrong with it, but I just don't like it. UI could show the capacity of how much resources will be filled to not waste time. Probably because everything feels do fast paced. I know they needed turn days to... months of running time so they can introduce generations or like fertility mechanic, but man it all feels like a rush. I'll give it few more hours to explore everything.

[@mirizid9667]

Reminds me of the good old BF4 vs BF1 comparison back in 2016 again.....

[@TheGlenofKrokot]

People always tell that this game is about society or politics but it all boils down to resources. You don't have politics, you have "give me money" button. You don't have a society, you have "buffs". First game was annoying and overly-dramatic at times, but the second game is simply boring.

[@dawidwidera1819]

I agree. Nobody can bribe people to feel hope in survival situation. You can convince them, but not buy hope.

[@LPikeno]

TL;DR: Bashing niche enthusiasts' opinion on a niche game is a surefire way to not have said franchise in the future. The 'it has been dumbed down' crowd isn't wrong. Don't know why it is considered a hot take. FP2 seems like a fine game, but it will frustrate the more... 'strategy driven' gamers that were expecting a game in the same vein as FP1. I've lived through it in XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) vs XCOM (classic, '94). Of course it has been dumbed down, some of it unwarranted (not even UFO macro-management? cmon). That's why people spun-off Xenonauts (1 and 2) after XCOM:EU release, for an example. Also, it doesn't make XCOM:EU a bad game - just a modernized, dumbed down version of XCOM. A niche franchise is supposed to keep its niche core happy, whilst trying to appeal to a wider audience to increase profits, striking a balance. Nobody is saying it is easy, but check Chimera Squad's (an extremely dumbed down version of the already dumbed down XCOM) lesson for a reference of what not to do. It is a shame that Frostpunk took a turn into dumbing down (we can see the writing on the wall), but it still can be remedied by Free DLC (meaning: missing features made available for core, optional for 'plebs') on console launch.

[@kbjosekiller]

Hear me out, i hate the constant notifications of the city, and the constant struggle to keep the factions happy, first time beating the game, it was a nightmare im in the second round now im doing better but still its so annoying and hard to play its not fun anymore

[@mikeanthony773]

I don't really get why you think "this person played for a lot before rendering a negative opinion" is a mark against them, tbh. They gave it a fair shake, played a good way through, decided they didn't like it, and wrote a review. That's the point.

[@Johnny-c6p]

i dont have any view either way. i was on the frost punk 1 purist train as a casual new player. but was funny your vid here. still have part 2 on my GOG wishlist. but im going to say hex shapes are over used in mobile. . . .

[@jakkrit6910]

this topic is just overblow but i think frostpunk 2 is also not without fault. like when i play story i feel like i race againt time itself. for example food source. i used all food source avaiable on the map except for deepmined one before finish chapter4..... and that kinda solf lock me out of the end game here...

[@feelmyice3024]

Bro, if you litteraly used MILLIONS of food before even finishing the game, then don't you think that's on you ? Frostpunk is supposed to be a hard game about gestion and planification. You should have seen you were on an unsustainable pass and that you needed to hurry (or start over). I know it can feel bad to see that you've taken too long to advance and that you are now forced to start over but concider it's part of the learning curve. Try again with that in mind and i'm sure you'll beat the game in no time !

[@GunMan12358]

This whole situation is kinda how the factions in FP2 are like LMAO =Make Frostpunk 2 Macro-Focused= - A small step towards *Civilization Building* - *Tension* increases - *Relations* greatly worsen: *Diehards* =Make Frostpunk 2 Micro-Focused= - A small step towards *City Building* - *Tension* increases marginally - *Trust* falls slightly - *Relations* worsen slightly: *New Fans* - *Relations* greatly worsen: *FP1 Critics* *Frostpunk 2: Macro-Focused Passes* ... *Diehards* begin protesting

[@paxluporum4447]

Counter point. Mobile games aren't games. But great vid.

[@poplovegaming]

Haha what about the likes of Monument Valley, Reigns, Crossy Road, Threes, etc. etc.

[@paxluporum4447]

@@poplovegaming This is the first time I've ever heard about them. And probably the last.

[@orewaren8549]

Brother its in the name tho. Counter point even, pc games arent games. Mobile games and console games are games lmfao

[@aleksanders16]

Im in full hate mode for fp2 rn. Not bc i dont like it, but bc i cant force myself to play it again, knowing how TERRIBLE performance mid-late game is. 4070 is nowwhere good enough to make medium settings run smooth.

[@Fingolfin455]

What a fuck I've just watched. Love fp1 & 2, and to say the game lost it's soul? He mad? If anything's lost, it's the fellers judgement-.-

[@Urbrainongaming]

*boops nose * don't read them out in that tone.

[@Urbrainongaming]

Otherwise this is a great idea

[@poplovegaming]

It's just an occasional make believe whiny annoying voice for how those annoying comments come off as, please don't read too much into it haha. Glad you like the idea though!

[@polosat1yMadd]

2:40 what is your problem with asking about DEI?

[@AmirDarkOne]

2:41 oh so you are a death cultist, skip.