Modernist theology has the same modus operandi every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be at the head of the table, then it demands that everybody else leaves the table.
And, the people that leave wise up and don't allow it inside, until younger generations refuse to listen. Rinse and repeat.
@20quid2 ай бұрын
The fact that they didn't have a seat at the table to start just shows that the other side has been playing that exact same game for far longer.
@charlesramirez5872 ай бұрын
@@20quidI mean being modernist suggest it didn't exist before. The point of modern theology is novelty be it materialistic or fad theology. The fact they pushed out and infiltrated these denominations suggests the opposite of what you claim. If an institution isn't exclusive in it's morality it functionally has no morality let alone theology.
@nope246012 ай бұрын
That's the Neo-Marxist way.
@dest12392 ай бұрын
"This isn't about belief, you can believe what you want". This statement is a cause for pause and deep thought.
@ninjason572 ай бұрын
Don't think too deep. It's quite simple.
@adamray98572 ай бұрын
I thought about it and have been attending a Unity Spiritual Center because that is in their statement of faith "believe what you want", been looking for a different church and it won't be Presbyterian if they believe that too.
@johndoe-ln4oi2 ай бұрын
@@ninjason57 "Don't think too deep" -A great tagline for progressive churches.
@HolyKhaaaaan2 ай бұрын
It's like they want reality to bend to their will. Is that how it ought to work, though? I guess if you have enough money and detachment from reality, no question of "why not?" is inconceivable.
@peterpapoutsis4962 ай бұрын
I now understand how radical the Gospel of Christ is. Either you believe it all, or you reject it all. The PUSA rejected it all and is for some ungodly reason happy about it.
@inwalters2 ай бұрын
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3 (NIV).
@skibidibap44112 ай бұрын
You know there are sound biblical arguments over the topic of gay marriage, abortion, and any other hotly contested topic. I'm not saying that this doctrinal change wasn't spurred by modern opinions but at least hear the biblical arguments out.
@asadburden16212 ай бұрын
@skibidibap4411 Biblical arguments in support of those topics? Sounds heretical.
@asadburden16212 ай бұрын
@@skibidibap4411 Biblical arguments in favor of those topics? Sounds un-Christian
@skibidibap44112 ай бұрын
@@asadburden1621 your an idiot if you think a biblical arguments for anything is by its own virtue un-christian. It's a Christians virtue to read the Bible and come to a conclusion based on the facts, it's literally some peoples job. Just because someone reads the Bible and comes to a conclusion that goes against what YOU believe doesn't mean they're not a Christian.
@dancooper60022 ай бұрын
@@skibidibap4411 False, you are spreading lies and misinformation. There is not a single verse in the entire scripture that allows either gay marriage or abortion and anyone who claims otherwise should not poses the franchise.
@ninjason572 ай бұрын
This is what happens when the church's "conscience" is aligned to the world rather than to God.
@linhunnicutt65562 ай бұрын
Amen.
@phylocybe_2 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you break away from Christ’s Catholic Church
@ninjason572 ай бұрын
@@phylocybe_ as if the Roman Catholic Church hasn't had the same issues. Take the beam out of your eye.....
@phylocybe_2 ай бұрын
@@ninjason57 there is one Catholic Church that Christ started and many Protestant churches that refuse to obey Christ. That’s a fact.
@ninjason572 ай бұрын
@@phylocybe_ Your facts are filled with lies. A person doesn't have to submit to the Roman tradition to obey Christ. "When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest".
@jimyoung92622 ай бұрын
"...when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18.8
@ninjason572 ай бұрын
He will. These situations just clarify who are the sheep and goats, the wheat from the tares.
@cjextreme2 ай бұрын
Actually, it's opposite of that! Faith is the belief in things not seen! We need faith to be able to accept God and to follow his commandments that we may be humble and teachable that our faith will grow because of the blessings that are showered down on us. When we look on the face of God, either when he comes or he shows himself to us in mortality, then we will no longer need faith because we will know for a fact!😊
@jumperstartful2 ай бұрын
nope we told God in the 60's that we didn't need him! We are paying the price now.
@rwlwrestlingleague29752 ай бұрын
Gonna be a WHOLE lotta HOT people that day
@felicciasc2 ай бұрын
No. Because he's not coming back
@TheOjamaYellow2 ай бұрын
Turns out Unitarian Universalists were just ahead of the curve.
@MrEKOPriest2 ай бұрын
Haha yeah, all Protestants will become Unitarian Universalists. It’s only a matter of time:
@wendyleeconnelly29392 ай бұрын
The inherent worth and dignity of all persons. That's the uu.
@SimplyReformed2 ай бұрын
True, they were the first to reject Christ. Even beat the Congregationalists to that "standard."
@justinkase13602 ай бұрын
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 What are you worthy of and what dignity do you have according to scripture? Not that you let scripture dictate what you believe, because you would not be "uu" if you did.
@mikeymullins53052 ай бұрын
In so many ways
@JohnnyBoy19822 ай бұрын
Mainline churches are basically "why bother?" churches. When your church has no distinct theology, is blatently unbiblical in its teaching and is more focused on promoting the latest social justice cause being pushed by the corporate media instead of traditional Christian values, people say, why bother going to church when none of it matters anyway?
@littlesquirtthefireengine54782 ай бұрын
And they're reaping the rewards.
@eesev20172 ай бұрын
This is a very silly comment
@NuncNuncNuncNunc2 ай бұрын
Bet you'd like to go back to the good old days where the women and Blacks knew their place.
@2brk2hvhndl2 ай бұрын
@@eesev2017 truth hurts, right jew?
@bernie42682 ай бұрын
I ask myself why did Jesus go to all the trouble of dying on the cross and rising again if it was just to tell us “if it feels good do it”. Mmmm.
@helenchala25472 ай бұрын
“It’s not an intellectual problem. People just don’t want to stop sinning.” J. Vernon McGee
@keithwilson60602 ай бұрын
McGee was a great, plain-spoken minister of God. I sure do miss him.
@jumperstartful2 ай бұрын
Just like the Garden, we want to be GODS!
@jumperstartful2 ай бұрын
Fear of the LORD is the beginning of WISDOM!
@davidwendell13272 ай бұрын
There are also "intellectual" problems at work.
@robertbarrett24942 ай бұрын
They love sin , because they think it is a minor evil , & glamorous .
@intergalactichumanempire97592 ай бұрын
Between these guys and the Church of Scotland, I feel really bad for Presbyterians.
@intergalactichumanempire97592 ай бұрын
(I say this as a Catholic, in case you were wondering)
@isaiahbraddock2 ай бұрын
@@intergalactichumanempire9759 not all bad, we have good faithful denominations. They are smaller, but a small church with true believers is better then a large one with heretics
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
Don’t. Sorting the wheat from the chaff theologically has been going on for a long time. I’m a PCA member we left the PCUSA in the early ‘70s. Churches are voluntary associations of people who believe the same thing. The Catholic Church has closed many parishes and lost many members. Same thing. And that’s not a criticism, I’m a great admirer but this is and has been going on for a long time in churches everywhere.
@thomasturton11182 ай бұрын
Speaking as a Presbyterian, don't feel too bad. We have a lot of Conservative evangelical Presbyterian churches in the UK. Including EPCEW and the IPC (the latter of which I can say as a laymember is growing). Yes it is sad to lose some of the old buildings to liberals selling them after dying out as a congregation, but pretty buildings are not the be all and end all.
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
@@thomasturton1118 My nephew just went through this with the Methodist church he was attending. The powers that be made a huge effort to win the vote and keep the churches in the UMC. So, they did that and the congregants left. Now they have a bunch of empty churches.
@Spudeaux2 ай бұрын
The comments from the PCUSA's affirming committee in response to the conservative group sound an awful like the folks who scoffed at conservatives who suggested that legalizing gay marriage would lead to florists and cake decorators being sued for refusing to work a gay wedding. We know how that turned out.
@rb987692 ай бұрын
They know exactly what they're doing.
@andyiswonderful2 ай бұрын
Ah yes, the cake wars. It reminded me an awful lot about how segregationists refused to serve black people in public accommodations due to their "sincerely-held religious beliefs". We know how that turned out.
@CatholicSamurai2 ай бұрын
@@andyiswonderfulyou sound dumb 😂
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
@@andyiswonderful If someone comissions art from you of a particular 1930's socialist in heroic fashion would you accept and provide it? The cake bakers offered them other cakes or to do other designs, but did not do a design that was specifically intended to offend them. it would be like going to a jewish Deli and demanding Bacon, then suing them when they refuse.
@hya2in82 ай бұрын
who predicted that?
@jec1ny2 ай бұрын
"Where orthodoxy becomes optional, it will eventually be proscribed." -Rev. Al Kimmel
@Mns_872 ай бұрын
Considering how the Bible and Christ accepts and doesn’t explicitly condem slavery, among other moral issues, perhaps this is a good thing?
@dman76682 ай бұрын
Which Orthdoxy becomes optional? There is a schism in Orthdoxy right now and so how does one know which Orthodox Church is the Church?
@coffeehousedialogue56842 ай бұрын
@@Mns_87You realize its mention of slavery is descriptive as opposed to prescriptive, right? Just because it is not actively fought does not mean it is endorsed.
@anon28672 ай бұрын
@@dman7668cope
@microcolonel2 ай бұрын
@@Mns_87 zero relevance to this, as slavery is not in the Holy Tradition. Defending slavery is not an Orthodox doctrine or practice.
@nickpass2 ай бұрын
Wasn't the idea of Protestantism that the Bible should be the ultimate authority? When did they replace the Bible with Committees for authority?
@bornincarmel2 ай бұрын
It was just a means for Satan to spread lies
@ikengaspirit30632 ай бұрын
Yeah, given Calvin and Luther, no that wasn't the whole point of Protestantism.
@Lando_P12 ай бұрын
1946 when the word homosexuality was added to the Bible through mistranslation.
@Verita19752 ай бұрын
From its beginning Protestantism has claimed “Sola Scriptura”. The problem is no one could agree how to interpret the Bible , Luther disagreed with Zwingli who disagreed with Calvin etc etc .. “Sola Scriptura” is a self defeating argument because no 2 people can agree on what exactly “ the Bible” means. Luther , Calvin etc believed it was Secular Christian Leaders who had to decide what was right … which is why in all Protestant countries the Head of the State and the Head of the Church were the King/Queen … by its nature Protestants will fracture because there is no fixed set of interpretation… if each person “ Believes in the Bible” there will be as many denominations as there are people!
@CzarLazar13892 ай бұрын
@@Lando_P1 And how exactly is that a problem? What is the correct translation?
@Micah4_122 ай бұрын
10:14 “… that slope is pretty slippery.” That’s a cliff, not a slope.
@andrewwoode2 ай бұрын
Indeed - that is pretty much a Jude and 2 Tim 3:3-5 embodiment there
@shrimpwithagun57022 ай бұрын
good lmao
@zope63622 ай бұрын
By their fruits you shall know them.
@keithwilson60602 ай бұрын
Yes, very fruity indeed.
@denniscrumbley82742 ай бұрын
I always enjoy your videos and your presentation. It's straight forward and to the point without condemnation. Simply factual. Thank you.
@ReadyToHarvest2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Dennis.
@johnhartnett36292 ай бұрын
@@ReadyToHarvest well that's Richie Cunningham reading it from the teleprompter just like a parrot 🤣🤣🤣
@jonathanstensberg2 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: the “mainline” in mainline Protestantism refers to the “Main Line” of infrastructure improvements built to connect Philadelphia to the new capital in Harrisburg. Chief among these was the Pennsylvania Railroad mainline. Wealthy residents (read: Protestants) of Philadelphia quickly established suburbs along the mainline, building protestant churches as they went. These were therefore the “mainline churches”, and the area is still referred to as the mainline. These mainline churches were distinguished from the lower class protestant churches (and Catholic Churches) of the city. Thus the wealthy denominations can to be called the mainline churches or mainline denominations. This wealthy suburbanizing trend occurred in every major city as the railroad mainlines were built, so the term gain common purchase across the country. And that’s how we got the mainline in mainline Protestant.
@Wewwers2 ай бұрын
tldr Mainline actually means bougie Christian
@user-li1tb3od8l2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful information!
@truthseeker15362 ай бұрын
I lived near Philadelphia 20 years ago, and heard the same. Thanks for the explanation.
@zoompt-lm5xw2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@felicciasc2 ай бұрын
Wayne, pa in the house
@astr0al3x2 ай бұрын
I didn’t leave the church, the church left me.
@nancy4don2 ай бұрын
"Nobody is being forced to..." Yeah they are. ALL people who wish to become Ministers of Word and Sacrament (ordained clergy) in the PC(USA) are examined as to their views and commitment to the Book of Order. Failure to agree to conduct one's ministry by the requirements of the Book of Order means a "NO" vote for approval to be ordained and to accept a call. If that's not forcing someone to comply, I don't know what is. I just retired after 28 years of ministry in the PC(USA); I know what I'm talking about. I invite comments seeking clarification on any of this.
@mcnielentertainment2 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this. I was just about to enroll in a pre-sem college course that's a bachelor's and then off to seminary for either of the PCUSA & ELCA....I'm more shocked of what you mentioned and how quickly I'm leaving PCUSA
@nancy4don2 ай бұрын
@@mcnielentertainment Here's the thing: The last time the issues came up, the decision was made to send ordination decisions back to the presbyteries who would do the ordaining. That actually fits PC(USA) polity as it has historically been. That's where it stands as of right now. I wouldn't make ANY decisions right now as to leaving a denom or etc. I don't think the Presbyteries are going to want to ratify any arm-twisting measures like this one seems to be. It might not even get approved at General Assembly! In the meantime, you'll still need your Bacherlor's and your Seminary degree. Go ahead! Remember, it's God who called you, not a denomination. You can sort that out later. Grace and peace to you, and prayers!
@Sebman11132 ай бұрын
@@mcnielentertainmentcome join me in the ELCA, call committees love pastors with orthodox views, they’re in high demand. (I would know for reasons)
@scsteeldrums2 ай бұрын
Step 1: "We DONT have the right to dismiss homosexuality from the Christian community" Step 2: "We DO have the right to dismiss you from the Christian community for not affirming homosexuality"
@luissalazar69602 ай бұрын
The Order from God was to reproduce when you get married. Two men or two women can not do it. Additionally is the Tradition of the Church. They never Married two men or two women,... then it can not be done.
@stephennichols49932 ай бұрын
Lol, as if the West (The child of Satan) has any authority in the Church. We will dismiss the sodomites out of the Faith whether they like it or not!
@Patrick-sb2sb2 ай бұрын
The Bible very explicitly dismissed homosexuality from Christianity. Read: ROMANS, Chapter 1.
@DaddySizeIt2 ай бұрын
@@Patrick-sb2sb I think he knows that
@stephennichols49932 ай бұрын
@@Patrick-sb2sb “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” - Romans 1:26-27 “For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” - 1 Timothy 1:10 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” - Jude 7 No the Holy Bible talks about homosexuality, not in a positive light. Nice try and defending homosexuality though.
@specialteams282 ай бұрын
In 2016 I lived one block away from the manhattan Protestant riverside church. As a faithful catholic , I poked my head inside and walked around to see what riverside was offering, it was wall to wall Black Lives Matter posters and pride flags. No thanks
@JaceyMitchell2 ай бұрын
I'm also a Catholic, and yeah some (but not all) mainline protestant churches feel frighteningly similar to unitarianism at this point. But we shouldn't ignore the fact that this tendency is present in the Catholic church as well. It hasn't permeated the church to that point yet but we must remain vigilant and pray orthodoxy is maintained.
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
Riverside Church stopped being Presbyterian a long time ago. It’s only marginally Christian now and has become a social/community organization.
@JaceyMitchell2 ай бұрын
@@scotthinzman7698 I went to their website and it certainly looks like a satirical take on a radical leftist unChristian "church". So basically borderline unitarian.
@specialteams282 ай бұрын
@@scotthinzman7698 i didn’t know it was previously Presbyterian. As a high church traditional Catholic derp in my faith and history with lots of research into all the permutations and manifestations of Protestant denominations, I agree with you. There was nothing inside or outside the church building that was Christian, Protestant or otherwise. In the world of spiritual warfare, the Christians have lost the battle of Riverside church and it has been occupied by pagan forces.
@specialteams282 ай бұрын
@@JaceyMitchell orthodoxy will clearly be maintained until our Lord’s second coming. The only question is why percentage of God’s children will remain faithful and be vigilantly awaiting His return. Catholics are obviously not immune to turning their backs on God.
@redeemedzoomer60532 ай бұрын
We will not back down. We will restore true teaching in the PCUSA no matter what it takes!
@09philj2 ай бұрын
That is prideful hyperbole. You will not take "whatever" actions are necessary. You do not have the courage for true extremism.
@FlyingGospel2 ай бұрын
What it will take is a return to Rome. There is no alternative. Repent from your scismatic prideful heresies.
@ReformedSooner242 ай бұрын
I mean good luck with that. Us evangelicals will be sitting over here. Waiting for all the mainline churches to go Tango Uniform and then we can buy their buildings and establish real churches in them again.
@ReformedSooner242 ай бұрын
@@FlyingGospela return to Rome? That’s jumping from a ship that’s sunk to a ship that’s sinking. Francis and co are playing the progressives’ long game and it’s plain to all of us who don’t have some emotional reason to deny it.
@Fetch0492 ай бұрын
lol ok boomer
@jerielcalica93152 ай бұрын
The church has become more and more conformed to the world rather to our Lord Jesus Christ. Judgment is around the corner.
@CatServant2 ай бұрын
I’m a former PCUSA member. I left because the toleration of sinfulness morphed into promotion of sinfulness, starting with the promotion of gay marriage, clearly a violation of the Bible. It seems that repentance of sin is no longer a thing in the PCUSA.
Redeemed Zoomer bros.. not like this… not like this…
@scottanno88612 ай бұрын
Meanwhile Mormons are now singing "Come Thou Fount". Things are getting weird bros...
@christophekeating212 ай бұрын
@@scottanno8861what's so special about come thou fount?
@williammarshal21902 ай бұрын
It’s so joever
@scottanno88612 ай бұрын
@@christophekeating21It's a hymn that they used to avoid because it emphasized salvation by Grace alone. Mormons used to prefer the doctrine of "Faith without Works is Dead" more or less. The hymn is not too different from "Amazing Grace" which is still not sung by them...yet 😅
@wendyleeconnelly29392 ай бұрын
What are all the references to zoomer about
@uncensoredpilgrims2 ай бұрын
The foolishness of staying in a compromised denomination in order to "maintain unity' or "be a conservative voice" continues to be shown.
@KingoftheJuice182 ай бұрын
You might want to consider a rabbinic teaching on the difference between the way God punished the generation of the Flood (with total destruction) and those who built the Tower of Babel (with mere dispersion). God spared the latter because they were unified and worked together-even sinfully-whereas the generation of the Flood acted corruptly and violently toward other human beings.
@thomasc90362 ай бұрын
It was always an excuse. They were never truly "conservatives". They were just fearful of losing the church property. For 100 years, they DID NOTHING.
@uncensoredpilgrims2 ай бұрын
@@KingoftheJuice18 I would not agree with that rabbinic teaching, that attempts to guess at the reasonings behind the mind of God. In reality, one reason God did not spare the pre-flood people was that their bloodline (Noah's family excepted) had been tainted with human-angelic hybrids known as Nephilim (Genesis 6).
@johngregory48012 ай бұрын
1 Corinthians 15:33 applies.
@dman76682 ай бұрын
The problem is the reformation itself failed. Not the split. Time to start being Catholic.
@thewaterguy172 ай бұрын
Shocker, the people who subscribe to their own interpretation of the scriptures are suddenly trying to purge the ones who actually agree with tradition...funny how this always ends the same way.
@salvadorhenriquez40912 ай бұрын
@@hya2in8how? I've read it and i'm not finding the correlation...
@sentjojo2 ай бұрын
an inevitable consequence of the reformation
@robertcallahan71532 ай бұрын
As denominations chase after secular morality they become what Paul describes in 2 Timothy 3:1-9. Outwardly they look to be followers of Christ, but inwardly they're as corrupt and craven as the unsaved, and they celebrate it, rather than seeking freedom from sin. They have the truth that Christ died for our sins, but they focus on talking about Christ coming to teach us about love, and they distort His teachings to focus on tolerance and acceptance, instead of repentance.
@mazixkazz57562 ай бұрын
God is sorting those who want truth and those who don't.
@Ransetsu2 ай бұрын
Amen
@TomasOBrien2 ай бұрын
My faith has been recently reawakened within the past 6 months, but my understanding is that we are called to repentance and to deny the self, not to indulge the self. What makes pornography an indulgence of the self, and homosexuality not? This needs to be a serious discussion.
@xravenx24fe2 ай бұрын
They're not simply indulgences of the self, either, and that's not the determining factor of what is right and wrong
@springheeljak1452 ай бұрын
The discussion should be over whether homosexuality is an intrinsic identity and not merely a fetish. When people treat it as an identity, something unchanging and at the foundation of their being, then it becomes harder to argue what makes it inherently wrong.
@txquartz2 ай бұрын
I am a gay Catholic. It is part of my identity. But I also understand how it is a sin. In the same manner as infidelity or masturbation or porn. Is it a mortal sin? Certainly not. But it doesn't lead to the holy institution of family, either. And that's what makes it wrong, not the orientation of my pleasure, which is irrelevant to the question.
@user-jy6hd9uw8h2 ай бұрын
@txquartz I'm curious how do you deal with your feelings? I'm surrounded by LGBTQIA friends and family so it's kinda hard to get the message across... Would appreciate your help! Thx
@jacobfreeland68812 ай бұрын
You will not find liberal Christians who agree with your premise. They believe and teach that love is indulgent, not disciplined. Everything else they believe and do follows logically. (It is, of course, all sin; your understanding is correct.)
@bingo77992 ай бұрын
I remember how God describes certain Luke warm churches and says that he basically vomits them out. Well, I can see the main line denominations fitting that description.
@DeadShooter5182 ай бұрын
The PCUSA is not even lukewarm anymore they are openly accepting that they are apostates.
@Fetch0492 ай бұрын
I think lukewarm is quite charitable. Sardis is more like it.
@davidw.51852 ай бұрын
Luther often spoke of "the Radicals". People split fellowship over a myriad of reasons, but I don't think even Luther could have conceived of how desperately wicked the American Christian landscape would get. Most are becoming antinomians these days. American Protestants are a mess in 2024.
@marysisak23592 ай бұрын
Soon everyone will be their own "church".
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
I don't mean to sound arrogant or conceited, but I think the problem is people know more about Luther, Calvin, or contemporary authors and writers than they do of scripture. Read Kings and Chronicles, Israel itself a nation explicitly founded by God and guided by God's very hand with his presence in their very temple did not go long before turning back to Idolatry. David had the holy spirit and still comitted multiple sins two of which the only penalty for was death, no forgiveness offering proscribed in Leviticus. If the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, I can only fathom that's because it will be taken out of the world before that happens.
@billmartin35612 ай бұрын
@@kriegjaeger. The gates of hell won’t prevail against the Church that Jesus established, the Catholic Church. Sure it had/has issues and needed reform, but there should never have been splits. The American Church landscape shows why. For all of Pope Francis’s talk of being open, he cannot go against scripture, church teachings, or church dogma…so the Catholic Church can never fall into this heresy.
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
@@billmartin3561 The catholic church worships idols and prays to a pantheon. Maybe not officially but it undeniably has Maryism and tokens of saints people worship and direct prayers to. Our worship is meant only for God.
@ChristopherWentling2 ай бұрын
@@kriegjaeger🙄
@CMVBrielman2 ай бұрын
17:04 At risk of sounding like the stereotypical Catholic mocking stereotypical Protestants… what is the point of being in a church that says “you can believe what you want?” EDIT: Just to be 110% clear, I’m calling out the official statement being quoted at that time stamp. This is not me just picking on Protestants in general. Thats what Knights of Columbus meetings are for. ;)
@beans47062 ай бұрын
Probably the same point of having an “infallible” pope that is always going against whatever the last guy said
@mcgregorpiper2 ай бұрын
When I heard that response to the dissents I thought the same thing. I perceived it as “as long as you simply go through all the motions, you can believe whatever you want.” But, the breaking apart of Protestant denominations is an inherent flaw in the movement. (Full disclosure: I am a Protestant)
@ivocomum2 ай бұрын
I'm a baptist and I agree... We can't just believe what we want, we should believe in the bible, the written word of God. I think they said that to try not to split the church... but its already splited... Just not in the outside. That being said, we can disagree in some theology, but not in the fundamentals. I would rather go to a catholic church (that i disagree a lot, but i believe still has the fundamentals), than attend a progressive church that threw out Christ to make the world happy. (sorry about my English. Not my native language)
@namewitheld25682 ай бұрын
Along with the other comments. Believing what you want has to do with small variations and theological view. Let's take eternal security of a believer. My pastor and I actually discussed this all the time. He's 100% on the side of that I am not so sure. I won't bore you with the details but we can disagree on that but we agree on all the big stuff. On the small things I go back and read the Bible he reads the Bible and we have a conversation. The type of stuff they're talking about there's just no common ground. The Bible is crystal clear on certain things and I just don't see how you get around it I'm with the previous poster. I'd gladly go to a Catholic church then some progressive non denominational church. Sure I disagree on certain things but on the big stuff, we are good.
@WasatchWind2 ай бұрын
It's interesting hearing a movement of younger people to stricter denominations - being told you can do whatever you want doesn't really make for a fulfilling faith experience. Having values members are counseled to hold to, requirements one must reach before joining a church, it of course is going to turn many many people away, but in the end you'll have a much stronger church, with members who actually want to serve one another.
@bingo77992 ай бұрын
It always seem to start out as a request by change agents for tolerance then progresses to intolerance to those who earlier agreed to be tolerant to the change agents.
@dallasdrotts49072 ай бұрын
Hegelian dialectics at work.
@jondxxxiii2 ай бұрын
The same situation happened to the RLDS church, as the leaders have, quite successfully, created a new denomination and organization. This process takes deliberate deceit and gaslighting against faithful members and friends.
@dw14192 ай бұрын
"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert
@chibu32122 ай бұрын
It goes from tolerance to full on totalitarianism unfortunately.
@PShawtx2 ай бұрын
Some churches need to consider. Mark 7:8 "For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the traditions of men....... Mark 7:13 "Making the word of God of no effect through you tradition... Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles answered and said: We ought to obey God Rather than men." Accepting someone does not mean supporting them not following God's teachings and example. You can love them but not agree with everything they do.
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
A loving parent disciplines their child. A loving friend warns their fellows. To see someone indulging in sin is like watching someone drink themselves to death and do nothing.
@nope246012 ай бұрын
So sad. The amount of deceit that was required for these churches to end up where they are. Truth is necessary, Christ is necessary.
@debbiemoseley35702 ай бұрын
The scriptures are totally clear on homosexuality. It is not a subject of interpretation.
@mikeymullins53052 ай бұрын
Yeah. Totally clear that all people are your neighbor, and you should love them as yourself.
@jmdsservantofgod84052 ай бұрын
Read 2 Samuel 1:26 😮
@kelaarin2 ай бұрын
@@mikeymullins5305 The HIGHEST law is to love and serve GOD; THEN love thy neighbor. We DO love them, that's why we call them to repentance. For without repentance, NONE can be saved in the Kingdom of God.
@carbonbiker2 ай бұрын
@@jmdsservantofgod8405what point are you making?
@billsattic2 ай бұрын
@@kelaarintruth!
@JonathanMeyer842 ай бұрын
Let me make sure I understand this. According to the pro-amendment camp, churches will still be able to call whomever they want...but, at minimum, all new pastors coming out of the seminaries will be required to hold to these heterodox beliefs? How naive do they think people are?
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
However much they think, they would be underestimating it. Most people do not pay attention to things at this level, at all.
@savioblanc2 ай бұрын
They aren't betting that the people are naive. They're betting on the people not caring enough to do something about it. And they know there is more that don't care than there are those that care
@JonathanMeyer842 ай бұрын
@savioblanc Oh certainly, I have no doubt that is their real strategy. However, for those who are at least somewhat paying attention it should be possible to see right through their answer.
@instapwnx2 ай бұрын
There is no question in my mind. This is satanic.
@lisakurak37332 ай бұрын
Not surprising when the culture influences the church instead of the other way around.
@jondxxxiii2 ай бұрын
I attended a Presbyterian USA seminary and had the deep impression that all were welcome, as long as one affirmed the progressive views of the faculty. There was a blantent self-imposed ignorance and denial by the instructors that many Presbyterians disagreed with the teachings that were being promoted. Students who openly questioned or rejected certain perspectives were often criticized and excluded by their peers. There was a lot of backbiting because of this. I felt there was freedom of expression and thought, as long as you supported the leftist messages. There were classes where the lessons clearly contradicted scripture, but there was never an explanation as to why that was. You simply needed to regurgitate the ideals of the professors. Anyone who did not yeild to what was being said was labed as racist, provential, or patriarchal. There was simply a lack of TRUE dialogue and critical thinking. In the midst of this, the seminary, out of necessity, had to sell property to merely stay afloat. Many seminarians lost their housing as a result. There was distrust between the student body, faculty, and administration. Simply no transparency. . . It seemed the institution was keen to neglect the open and all together theology they claimed to uphold and advocate, all for the sake of the dollar. Professors, who so often claimed advocacy for the marginalized, were suddenly silent. I am sure this was out of security for their jobs and positions. In all, it was clear that this method could not sustain itself. This seems to be a trend throughout the wider Presbyterian denomination. I believe Matthew 7:24-27 offers clear insight into this situation. The Presbyterian church is not the only faith group to encounter these challenges. But time will tell as the wheat and chaff separate themselves. Prayers for the Presbyterians who are overlooked and forgotten in this sad development.
@jeffking41762 ай бұрын
😢 . Yeah, sadly this is happening in many denominations across the board.
@johngregory48012 ай бұрын
My Dad spent one year at Princeton Theological Seminary in the mid-50's. He left after that year specifically because they were doing almost everything you wrote about to promote their ungodly view of the Lord and his Word.
@springheeljak1452 ай бұрын
Maybe conservatives should no longer tolerate "free expression" if the end result is always conservatives getting pushed out. But conservatives are always on the defensive, remaining reactive instead of proactive
@kriegjaeger2 ай бұрын
@@jeffking4176 Across the world in all aspects.
@peterpapoutsis4962 ай бұрын
How do you dialog with heretics????
@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs2 ай бұрын
You can't be a practicing homosexual and lead people into the Kingdom of God. First you need repentance, and to turn from your ways. This is essentially the issue.
@20quid2 ай бұрын
And that's why numbers are declining in all churches
@Agnus1312 ай бұрын
Well, a lot a heterosexuals won't either : they haven't made themselves eunuch yet.
@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs2 ай бұрын
@@20quid I'm not sure I understand. What is the reason for the decline?
@TheNabOwnzz2 ай бұрын
Nor a non-practicing one either.
@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs2 ай бұрын
@@TheNabOwnzz cool story, bro. The Bible doesn't really deal in identities of people, it refers to behavior. So, when St. Paul talks about the homosexual not inheriting the kingdom of God, he's talking about those who do that behavior. I think it's important to point out that our identifies as Christians is truly all that matters, and for someone to identify themselves homosexual over and above their identity as a Christian is idolatry as well. But those who struggle with same sex attraction, and seek the kingdom of God, and don't give into the lusts of the flesh, and don't live right in their own eyes, I think it is possible for them to be truly Christian.
@SimplyReformed2 ай бұрын
Typical, when in the minority those who hate the Word of God cry "victim" but once in the majority then scream "bigot."
@ddrse2 ай бұрын
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@SimplyReformed2 ай бұрын
@@ddrse Can you be a fornicating Christian? An idolatrous Christian? An adulterous Christian? A stealing Christian? A covetous Christian?
@SimplyReformed2 ай бұрын
@@ddrse Can you be a stealing Christian?
@AdmiralBison2 ай бұрын
@@ddrse this is lying to oneself, because it ignores what is written in scripture. It's being LGBQT and having cognitive dissonance on what Religion's stance has always been towards gays. It is bigoted, plain and clear. LGBQT do not need Religion, they can and are living a moral and spiritual life without Religion and god belief without having to fool themselves.
@weirdo99582 ай бұрын
@@ddrseno you can't
@Billybob501012 ай бұрын
When you “tolerate” heresy and heretics, they will eventually take over your congregation.
@PaulsWanderings2 ай бұрын
The more of these videos that I watch the more I am glad that I am Catholic.
@Ben-kh7wh2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, I think things will start falling apart in the Catholic Church too. A lot of conservative Catholics would argue it already has with Pope Francis. The next 20 years are going to be extremely volatile I’m afraid
@DamonNomad822 ай бұрын
Many Roman Catholics are so busy sneering and jeering at the Protestants sliding down the slippery slope of leftism that they don't realize that they themselves are on that same slope as those they are jeering, slightly behind but moving downhill just as fast. Exhibit A: Frankie the Frankenpope, the Vicar of Wokeness...
@Billybob501012 ай бұрын
Didn’t your “infallible” pope allow for the blessing of same-sex couples?
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
The Catholic Church is losing members as well.
@williamchurch97682 ай бұрын
@@scotthinzman7698 And the problem with Roman Catholicism is that it is not Biblically catholic concerning the core content of the gospel: the righteousness of Christ for us. Only His righteousness saves. Our righteousness is for sanctification not justification. But if saved, personal, though imperfect this side of glory, righteousness manifests in the believer. It is a response of gratitude for God's mercy. But as a Biblical protestant, I feel much more at home with conservative Roman Catholics than with Leftist fake Protestants. Btw, I am a Protestant-Catholic.
@JohnDxian2 ай бұрын
A fascinating, balanced, in-depth analysis. Thank you, Joshua, for your comprehensive research and "just the facts" reporting.
@KogetsuKuzunoha2 ай бұрын
redeemed zoomer gonna feel the burn
@HistoryNerd8082 ай бұрын
Fully expecting him to make a video about this at some point. He has said in the past that he's a fan of RTH and has recommended this channel to those wanting an unbiased look at denominations.
@joshuakarr-BibleMan2 ай бұрын
I wonder how much of this is a reaction to his Reconquista?
@SolaFideSolusChristus2 ай бұрын
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan none of it. No one knows who he is outside of a small internet niche.
@HistoryNerd8082 ай бұрын
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan I doubt it. He's doing good things but it's also worth pointing out that, while he does have a pretty significant following for a religious KZbinr, he's just one guy on the Internet and his following is also split between both mainline churchgoers, evangelicals, and also probably non-religious but Christian-curious people as well.
@Matzu-Music2 ай бұрын
The catholic church called. they're suing for trademark infringement.
@hermanr55132 ай бұрын
So all discrimination is bad? Is it not right to discriminate against a 5year old who wants to deliver a sermon and prevent them from doing so? What about someone whose theological position is in direct contrast with scripture or the church’s doctrines? The Church belongs to Christ - man has no authority to change it so that it opposes Christ. A church that opposes Christ is not a Christian church.
@mht58752 ай бұрын
Any church that kicks out Christ is a social club.
@Nomorehero072 ай бұрын
As someone who recently came back to the Catholic church since March. Seeing these denominations split makes me sad but at same time there really is nothing new under the sun.
@user-jy6hd9uw8h2 ай бұрын
Nice, Ecclesiastes
@petros-estin-petra-2 ай бұрын
_For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you, and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you._ 1 Corinthians 11:18-19 LSB
@MattM.Silva012 ай бұрын
How is the catholic church doing in the north? Here in South America things are really crazy, I'm a Protestant but I have a lot of cousins that are catholics and they're fighting like crazy against liberation theology and socialist influence. I already knew about these divisions in the catholic church, but nowadays things are crazy, some catholics really hate the pope.
@Triquetra152 ай бұрын
@@MattM.Silva01In the north there are some issues, but not nearly as much. In fact, there is a great traditional shift going on in the north that Pope Francis is trying to rail against. He can’t stop it though.
@theeccentrictripper38632 ай бұрын
@@MattM.Silva01 That's been the case for nearly a century right? I had always heard Catholicism in South America was far more susceptible to socialist influence and quirky forms of syncretism
@donalddodson73652 ай бұрын
Thank you for the discussion and sources of information. Blessings.
@ReadyToHarvest2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Don!
@garyr.81162 ай бұрын
"If it is of human origin, it **will fail!"** Acts 5:38 Yet there is ONE church, still standing strong after 2000 years, and it is NOT protestant!
@jonasaras2 ай бұрын
Greek Orthdox all the way!
@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs2 ай бұрын
@@jonasarasChristos Anesti! ☦︎
@ReformedSooner242 ай бұрын
That church stopped standing the moment they put the church above scripture
@garyr.81162 ай бұрын
@@ReformedSooner24 'that church' was 'set standing on Rock' (Mat 16:18) **BEFORE** there was a (NT) Scripture; 'that church' " IS the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." 1 Tim 3:15 **Jesus Himself, like his forefather Joshua (Joshua **24:27**), set this ROCK(Mat 16:18) as a witness that will 'speak out against you' in your rebellion** - SO YOU SEE - SCRIPTURE ITSELF SHOWS US THAT !
@Fred.jpeg_2 ай бұрын
+100 Papal Primacy +10000 Magisterium +1000000000 the Holy Spirit keeping the Church from Error
@Dilley_G452 ай бұрын
Not with pro LGBT "pope" Francis. Surely hasn't understood 1 Cor 7
@wormius73502 ай бұрын
Like with the Catholic charismatic movement?
@justinkase13602 ай бұрын
They have their own heresies that place them outside of the church. Only God and scripture maintains the church, through people. The magisterium works for the other team.
@lizzsszzy78002 ай бұрын
Paid indulgences?
@randomguy14532 ай бұрын
Clown mass Homosexual blessings Eastern Catholicism Nestorian sacred heart Fillioque heresy Immaculate conception heresy Original guilt heresy False decretals (used to back concilliar decisions btw) 3 pope controversy (western schism) Documents deemed to have papal "infalliblility" arent the only things you must follow, all ordinary documents are binding on your conscious Cheiti and Alexandria documents Pachamama Mass abuse of children Etc. Yup, sure does seem like the unblemished true church
@xyz57652 ай бұрын
As a member of a disaffilliated United Methodist Church, I know what you're going through
@Deathbytroll2 ай бұрын
Time to return to the apostolic Church and leave Satan's temple
@brownro2142 ай бұрын
@@DeathbytrollYou need to clarify this.
@brownro2142 ай бұрын
Same here. United Methodists are far from United and it will only get worse.
@SantaFe19484Ай бұрын
I never could understand why people who call themselves Christians, who have chosen a career in ministry, would approved openly unbiblical behavior.
@CatholicSamurai2 ай бұрын
If all these mainline churches keep formally rupturing over a number of the most fundamental questions of Faith & Morals that were once touted as being “basic fundamental Christian truths necessary for salvation,” I’d imagine a mainline protestant should pause to give serious discernment to the whole Protestant schema and framework. As I saw with the UCC and UMC ruptures, lots of protestants lamenting their mainline brethren “abandoning the Gospel truth” then not scrutinizing any further, as we see (once unified) mainline protestantism go through further balkanization. It’s getting to the point where mainline protestants are now embracing those basic heresies of Docetism/Arianism/Pelagianism/etc.
@ethanduncan16462 ай бұрын
It's getting hard for me to call them "mainline" denominations when they are falling victim to fringe heresies that would never have been acceptable. But if you think the papist faith is any better than I have a bridge to sell you. The current pope seems just as interested in these fringe ideas as these "mainline" churches. Catholics and these Protestants are more alike than unalike.
@salvadorhenriquez40912 ай бұрын
Wait a minute, that same pope said that there's too much faggotry,(in a negative light) i dont know if he's following those same churches. And lastly, he doesn't establish our faith, he's not infallible, he can be wrong @@ethanduncan1646
@salvadorhenriquez40912 ай бұрын
@@ethanduncan1646it seems that my original comment was deleted by youtube, but even the catholic church says that the pope can be wrong and obviously, the pope will never be perfect, humans are not perfect, so maybe, he was wrong....or you are misinterpreting, and btw, that same pope used some strong words against homosexuals not long ago, so maybe he's not taking the liberal or mainline church route...
@bobanderson66562 ай бұрын
There will be a new group of 'mainline' denominations. It's already happening. I went to an ECO church last week in an old shopping mall. There were several hundred people at the 11 AM service and I bet almost as many at 9 AM, while the local PCUSA churches are closing down.
@toledochristianmatthew99192 ай бұрын
@@salvadorhenriquez4091I don't think pope Francis in particular to be bad but I feel like he needs to make his stance clear. His statements last year in same sex couples for example caused major discourse and disagreements among the other branches of the Catholic world especially the ones in Ukraine and Africa who feel like Rome is becoming too close to Western secular forces. There needs to a greater crackdown on corrupt members of the church and the secular forces trying to weasel their way into the Catholic church.
@drbulbul2 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the neutral, informative approach in these videos.
@beagrateful4312 ай бұрын
Why don’t Christians just read their bibles? Scripture could not be more clear on this topic as it describes the behavior in detail
@Stormageddon5712 ай бұрын
10:40 Half of those committees are reason enough to leave the denomination.
@Hoboappalachia2 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking.
2 ай бұрын
And this is how being uncompromising dies: with thunderous applause.
@blackukulele2 ай бұрын
‘These people [a]draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
@mht58752 ай бұрын
I saw a meme on Facebook, posted by someone I know who is a convert from Catholic to Episcopal: "We all make errors in our theology: you and me both. So my recommendation is to err on the side of love." Said person believes in celebrating and accepting everyone, which seems to be the norm in the Episcopal church today. Where did God go?
@arubaga2 ай бұрын
Our hearts changing, but God is still there.
@davidfraser29462 ай бұрын
What is disingenuous is the implication that homosexuals won't be welcome at conservative churches. Welcome, absolutely! Loved, absolutely! But such churches think that homosexual activity is ultimately self-destructive. It is out of love and concern that (good) conservative churches won't celebrate or approve homosexual activities. It is a disagreement on what 'loving' and 'welcoming' is. To say that (good) conservative churches are not welcoming is begging the question.
@andrewfeurtado86982 ай бұрын
Division is from the Evil One We need The Church to be one again we are all the Bride of Christ. ❤
@bigbuck99842 ай бұрын
Im sorry for all Methodist and Presbyterian who are Bible believing and truly of Jesus and are born again believers. It is problem time to find a smaller Evangelical or Baptist or non denominational church. That seperate themselves from all this chaos. They are the true protestants that love scripture. Love Jesus and love people so much that they tell them Jesus died for them. Praying for you guyd
@rlstowe32 ай бұрын
There are plenty of PCA, ARP, and EPC churches that haven't succumbed to this heresy.
@bigbuck99842 ай бұрын
@rlstowe3 I'm sorry you are correct there is a great PCA church not far from my church. I go to an Evangelical Free Church and my Pastor and thier Pastor get togther quite often
@Ammo082 ай бұрын
I'm curious what they think they are "progressing" to? Sodom and Gomorrah?
@jondxxxiii2 ай бұрын
For the Catholics attempting to use these occurances to criticize all Protestantism, I encourage you to do more research on the Synod on Synodality. You will quickly see these issues are nearer to the shores of the Tiber than many average Catholics realize and understand.
@Seanain_O_hEarchai2 ай бұрын
How so? The Synod was called by the Pope, and didn’t the bishops who were espousing heresy quieten down quick once Francis threatened excommunication?
@MarcillaSmith2 ай бұрын
As a Catholic, I encourage _all_ - non-Catholic and Catholic alike - to learn more about the Synod on Synodality. As for those in the PCUSA, I ask our lord to grant you comfort and healing in your times of difficulty. And for any who may feel called - as I did - to seek a deeper communion with the Holy See than what I found in my mainline upbringing, please know that there are so many of us waiting to welcome you home to Holy Mother Church ❤
@jondxxxiii2 ай бұрын
@seanainohearcai3860 The problem lies mostly in how the synod interprets the manner in which church teachings and doctrine are determined. Only time will tell, and the process will surely be slow, but the doors are being opened to create a new church altogether. Finding accurate reports on this matter is somewhat difficult. Progressive sources are unsatisfied with the seeming lack of progress, while many conservatives reports are in denial of the realities of these changes.
@zope63622 ай бұрын
Even if the synod comes up with any sort of goofy stuff like this, it is 100% nonbinding. The One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church will not and cannot defect from the Truth. Protestants think this means that we believe whatever the Church says becomes “the Truth” but the reality is we are, unlike these other “churches”, guided by the Holy Spirit and He will not let hell triumph over us.
@jondxxxiii2 ай бұрын
@zope6362 Unfortunately, objective history demonstrates otherwise.
@danielhixson37172 ай бұрын
I know these same arguments were made when it was decided to allow pagan idols in the Temple of Jerusalem. We all know how that 'inclusions' turned out for Israel.
@tohagil572 ай бұрын
If I am not mistaken, when the PCUSA affirmed the ordination of women to ordained office it wasn’t mandated at first. It only took a few years before it became mandatory. I belief that is the same trajectory they are on now with the homosexual issue. It is only a matter of time. I also think the Fellowship churches are delusional if they believe it is possible to engage in ministry and missions with apostates. They would do well to disaffiliate now rather than wait for the other shoe to drop.
@draxelchang54112 ай бұрын
As usual, the information you put forward is accurate and balanced. Thank for sharing.
@samgrattan5465Ай бұрын
I grew up in rural southern Virginia as one of the few Catholics in a town of mostly Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Baptists. I remember friends thinking CCD was weird and spreading misconceptions about my faith which I was hardly equipped to defend at the time. One time, my public school teacher (a Baptist) claimed that Catholics were polytheistic because he thought we worship saints and Mary in the same way we pray to god. In high school my chemistry teacher (an actual ordained presbyter) asked me, unprompted, to explain how wine can transubstantiate into the blood of Christ if there is no iron or energy put into it, thus violating the laws of conservation of mass and thermodynamics. Both of these callouts weren’t made in good faith, instead it was just because they knew I was the one of the only practicing Catholics in town who was passionate about my faith and likely were thinking of clever ways to shut me up. I came back to my town recently after graduating with my degree in chemical engineering (yes, I probably know more about chemistry than my high school teacher does now) and was shocked to see a lot of the local Protestant churches either shutdown or splintered into polarized evangelical sects or mainline churches overcompensating with 10 pride flags hanging outside. So I’ll say this about Catholicism: I greatly appreciate how my faith has (mostly) been insulated from the rabid modern political squabbles of 21st century America. It seems that the split in Protestantism is largely reflective of the trend of polarization. Maybe some dioceses do suffer from this problem, but I’m blessed to be part of a community that seeks to promote internal unity while still allowing conservative and liberal elements to cohabitate and exchange ideas.
@rafaelsodre_eachday2 ай бұрын
The issue isn't accepting the people or not; the issue is accepting the behavior. A church must welcome all sinners; a church shouldn't condone sinning.
@gatewaysolo1042 ай бұрын
Progressives typically counter with denying that homosexuality is a sin (e.g. Paul's writings are not God-inspired) or that it is hateful to deny marriage to anybody.
@theonlylolking2 ай бұрын
Churches are supposed to condone sinning lol what is this heresy you are writing?
@rafaelsodre_eachday2 ай бұрын
@@RandyFelts2121 I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you said. English is not my first language.
@RandyFelts21212 ай бұрын
@@rafaelsodre_eachday Several days ago I don't know either. ")me neither
@SoldierofChrist92 ай бұрын
There is no doubt that the Lord will have the final say on these blasphemous churches.
@cinnamondan49842 ай бұрын
I was born into this faith. Left as soon as I could for the Catholic Church.
@specialteams282 ай бұрын
Woot woot!
@panchopeanut64862 ай бұрын
welcome Home brother, May God bless you.
@MiguelCruz-ce7yt2 ай бұрын
Catholic is heading to it as well, time will tell, they have been corrupted way before these denominations. So sad to hear
@cinnamondan49842 ай бұрын
@@MiguelCruz-ce7yt that is an opinion. What is the metric?
@panchopeanut64862 ай бұрын
@@MiguelCruz-ce7yt The Gates of Hell shall never overcome
@jahintx2 ай бұрын
If worldly passions and expressions are more important to you than the truth of Scripture, you are not submitting to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
@19king142 ай бұрын
Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 1 Cor 6:9,10
@Fetch0492 ай бұрын
While the proposed changes do not mandate intolerance toward conservatives, I can't see any other way they can be interpreted and implemented.
@alfredroyal34732 ай бұрын
This is how it pans out. They charge things to allow contentious things with opt outs for those who disagree, then down the line they make it compulsory. Not just in churches but everywhere.
@Turf-yj9ei2 ай бұрын
Christians: Everyone is welcome but we won't celebrate and encourage your sin LGBTQ: Stop oppressing me
@richdorak15472 ай бұрын
As followers of Jesus we can't celebrate or encourage this or any sin to continue . " Go and sin no more " . Jesus
@Agnus1312 ай бұрын
@@richdorak1547 so have you already made yourself eunuch for the kingdom of heaven ?
@thomasbeach905Ай бұрын
@@Turf-yj9ei Initially, God has to accept us the way we are because he can’t very well accept us the way we aren’t. He doesn’t want us to stay that way, though. One of the purposes of the Church (here I include all Bible-teaching types) is to help us (with God’s power) to become more like what God wants. All of us have to change. Should I be “proud “ of having a bad temper? Or should I change?
@deannajunkin36962 ай бұрын
Lord, have mercy.
@janellestoermer54792 ай бұрын
I was American Baptist in Southern California, and was part of the switch to Transformation Ministries in 2006. Our church was biblical, as we're the others in our region, which was why we left ABCUSA.
@michaelinsc16442 ай бұрын
This is what ultimately becomes of Protestantism: endless splitting up. When you split from the Church that Jesus and the Disciples founded to follow the teachings of "reformers" 1,500 years later, things are not going to go well.
@thomasbeach905Ай бұрын
@@michaelinsc1644 When someone in the Catholic Church decides to disagree with Catholic doctrine, they leave, either becoming atheists, Protestants, or members of another religion. When someone in a Protestant denomination decides to disagree with the denomination, they leave, becoming atheists, members of another denomination or another religion. The only difference is that they also have the option of starting a new denomination. Does your church have an unbroken succession to the Apostles? Fine, but if your teachings are not the same, that succession is of no value. The departure of the Church from Apostolic Teaching forced the Reformation. The Reformers weren’t eager for a split. Fortunately, Vatican II brought the Church back to the Bible, but that was rather late. It was long enough ago that many don’t remember what things were like before, but until recently, I had a tract from Dublin condemning Salvation by Grace through Faith as a “Damnable Heresy”. Recently, one of the best defenses of that doctrine that I have read was by a Catholic layman.
@kennyg13582 ай бұрын
The next question from the alphabet committee: can you serve alongside minor attracted persons of faith without discriminating against them?
@FriarJoe662 ай бұрын
Excellent strawman, I bet nobody has ever heard this before.
@Kiahona2 ай бұрын
You say the alphabet committee, yet the catholics already have that in their joining questions.
@LightOfAllMankind2 ай бұрын
@@FriarJoe66oft asked, but never answered.
@dobromirgoodpeace232 ай бұрын
@@FriarJoe66The Rainbow Mafia could still go after the animals first. Kids and pets are the two remaining frontiers to be conquered. Going after the kids might be easier tho, pets have PETA and such…
@jonahstephens29042 ай бұрын
@@FriarJoe66the slippery slope has become vertical. The question must be asked.
@anthonyn.73792 ай бұрын
Wonder how this is gonna affect Redeemed Zoomer’s Reconquista
@auggieeasteregg21502 ай бұрын
Might be retaliation against the reconquista
@JonBrase2 ай бұрын
If it goes through, it will be used to expel the Reconquista faction, but the Reconquista movement is meant to be broader than just the PCUSA. But if the PCUSA expels its faithful members, then at least there will no longer be any reason for evangelicals to exhort them to come out from her.
@CobraRedstone2 ай бұрын
Don't worry, he'll find a way to spin it as somehow being the fault of Orthodoxy.
@neoturfmasterMVS2 ай бұрын
He's joining the PCA. Soon ;)
@kevinm18722 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you tolerate rot within the Church. The rot spreads and consumes until the rot is the entirety.
@WHR03062 ай бұрын
I am a member of PCUSA. I love my church and the people of my church.
@murrydixon52212 ай бұрын
Are you ghey?
@Des-renee282 ай бұрын
Mainline Denominations: “man our numbers have really suffered these last years… I’m sure a split will help that”
@auggieeasteregg21502 ай бұрын
When the lady at the end says that it isn't about belief, she let the cat out of the bag
@TheReader62 ай бұрын
PCUSA is now “sola self.” “Sola sese” or “sola ego” I’m not sure the right Latin.
@coyoacan732 ай бұрын
I thank God every day for my Roman Catholic faith.
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
The Catholic Church is losing members as well.
@crabser22532 ай бұрын
@scotthinzman7698 yeah but it's not mandating gay marridge
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
@@crabser2253 No, just a simple blessing.
@crabser22532 ай бұрын
@scotthinzman7698 there is a big difference between the pope sating that individuals who are gay can be blessed versus saying that lesbian pastors can concentrate gay marriage between two men
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
@@crabser2253 I couldn’t be more opposed to what the UMC is doing. My nephew left his UMC church in the last year over this issue. You can make excuses for the Pope’s position on blessing same sex couples but blessing people who are consciously, actively engaging in homosexuality is an approval of their acts and actions.
@professorquarter2 ай бұрын
Nice reconquista you got there, bro.
@FriarJoe662 ай бұрын
Aren’t the schismatic groups universally smaller than their parent denomination? I don’t think a “reconquista” is realistic in any practical sense.
@professorquarter2 ай бұрын
@@FriarJoe66 Often, but not necessarily on the aggregate. Honestly it doesn't even really matter. I'm referring to the fact that a rapidly-growing conservative PCUSA KZbinr has been advocating for the retaking of mainline denominations through simply staying in and waiting it out on the premise that the more liberal churches and members are dying. He might be right and he might not be, but this clearly shows how fraught such an endeavor is without congregational church polity. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this current change in the PCUSA book of order arose in reaction to his channel. This is how his fantasy ends, with a reaction from the embodiment of the very same traditionalism he larps. It really highlights why these conservatives jump ship for random evangelical denomination/schism #4306 or what have you and it is not like many who join groups like the GMC didn't consider the possibility of exactly this, even if you take a very cynical view of the people leading schismatic groups. I'm not saying jumping ship is correct, but perhaps your local elders and ministers weren't as ignorant as you in all your 25 years of wisdom or whatever assumed. I'm not a boomer, but the irony here is palpable.
@cupojoe47692 ай бұрын
It is unwise to "take back" a corrupt church. It is noble to try to lead them right, but you are powerless to do so and aren't immune from corruption yourself. More importantly, very few churchgoers go alone. In other words, they have families. If you would subject your loved ones to the ever-increasing theological nonsense, you are partially responsible should they stumble. Pray for these churches and judge them righteously, but don't fellowship with people who deny core aspects of Christianity for the delusional dream of taking back a building and the worldly institution the churches have become.
@Matzu-Music2 ай бұрын
The catholic church called. they're suing for trademark infringement!
@clivejungle69992 ай бұрын
Why mock and scoff at a Christian trying to return their church to biblical orthodoxy. Maybe they wont succeed, but at least they are trying to do something positive. Who do you think God will be happier with? The scoffer or the one who tries? Thank the Lord you weren't around in the 1st century. You would be looking at Paul with pity saying 'Just give up, bro'...
@daniell.54832 ай бұрын
Goodness gracious.......the church is falling and falling fast. Liberalism is spreading like cancer. Grieved my spirit to watch this video. 😔
@mjpottertx2 ай бұрын
To clarify, The Fellowship is generally a group of PC-USA churches unable to leave the PC-USA as the PC-USA or Presbytery owns the church property. The congregations that left for ECO or another Reformed denomination either owned their own property (rare, especially in the north), or were able to break a trust that held the property (as my congregation did), or reached some sort of financial settlement with PC-USA.
@professorhaystacks66062 ай бұрын
Regardless of other issues this is what bugs me. While there are exceptions, for the most part the Prebytery will hold the property over the heads of congregations that wish to leave, while congregations will say they 'cannot' leave due to not holding their property. This seems decidedly unchristian on both counts. On the congregation side, if you believe you are in the right, "why do you spend your gold on that which is not bread, your treasure on that which does not satisfy?" Let the wicked keep their treasure: it will not avail them. To be generous the Presbytery may be trying to 'correct' errant members. But can true repentance ever come from coercion? And at the very least it is made to appear that they greatly value material wealth, and "things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe unto those through whom they come". Even if some are encouraged by the sharing of their views, surely far more outsiders will be discouraged by a church which is so material?
@scotthinzman76982 ай бұрын
@@professorhaystacks6606 The problem with holding the property is that you end up with a building but no congregants.
@mjpottertx2 ай бұрын
@@professorhaystacks6606 In our case, a 3000+ member church with about $70+ million in land plus buildings, if we didn't "own" the property, we couldn't just move somewhere else by renting out a strip center. Not only for worship, but in terms of offices, mission buildings, income generating property, etc. We would have to have joined the Fellowship as our only recourse to maintain our community and Christ's missions work.
@professorhaystacks66062 ай бұрын
@@mjpottertx There are exceptions, as I said. It is of course preferable to reach an accomodation, as it is said "If you are on your way to present an offering and remember a quarrel with your brother, put your offering down and be reconciled so you may present your offering with a clear heart." But if it really comes down to it? "Let us sell the oil and give the money to the poor": There's always some other use for wealth, and most people think they can spend it better than someone else, but the good that can be done WITH money is far different from the money itself, and confusing the two can become a stumbling block. Or the issue isn't really THAT important. I don't know the individual situations and I don't want to speculate.
@sallycatlin59032 ай бұрын
All these words amounts to not having any confidence that the Word of God is indeed the Word of God and supersedes man's preferences and affirmations.
@DavidS-pt7hcАй бұрын
I was brought up Presbyterian and was a member of the local church for 20years. Over that time, things were slowing changing for the Presbytery was leaning way too far left. This I supposed was due to the influx of woke leftist who wanted it their way. It got to a point where Biblical principles went by the wayside. I’am most happy to say that I left the church and am now a member of a Pentecostal Holiness church and have been for the past 14 years. Hallelujah!
@nathanielsmall36552 ай бұрын
Welcome to the PCA! We’ve been expecting you.
@janc.81972 ай бұрын
Good thought, but not likely! I think biblically conservative people left a LONG time ago to join the PCA from the 1970's on. The churches that left last mostly went to ECO. That group wouldn't go to PCA, ARP, or OPC because they don't allow women pastors or elders, and there may be other differences. So I am thinking most that leave at this point would be going to ECO. We left over 30 years ago.
@pastorjerrykliner31622 ай бұрын
As is so often the case, the chant "We can disagree but still be in the same denomination" works only when certain people are in the minority, but the minute they ascend into the majority the chant switches to "Shut the hell up or get out." This is the great myth of "liberalism"...(so called "liberals") are supposedly "open minded" (as opposed to their "dogmatic" opponents) until THEY are in a position of power. Then, the second "diversity" no longer works for them, they become even more dogmatic than their opponents.
@heroevulgar2 ай бұрын
Me as a Catholic watching the consequences of Protestantism in 4k the while the Catholic Church grows every single year: 🍿😎
@oto70392 ай бұрын
Same bro ☦︎
@PTHastings2 ай бұрын
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00 *🏛️ Overview of Mainline Protestantism* - Mainline Protestant denominations have experienced a decline in membership compared to evangelicals and Catholics. - These churches have become more theologically liberal, moving away from their historic distinctives. - Issues like sexuality have caused internal divisions within these denominations. 01:37 *⛪ Trends in Mainline Beliefs* - Mainline churches are becoming more similar over time. - The traditional theological differences are becoming less significant. - Shifts towards liberationist or Universalist salvation theologies are becoming more common within these denominations. 03:00 *🏛️ Church Polity Differences* - Baptist denominations, like American Baptist Churches, operate under congregational polity. - Church autonomy in decision-making regarding policies and beliefs is a key aspect of Baptist denominations. - The ability of regional bodies to allow or disallow practices like same-sex marriage demonstrates the diversity within denominational structures. 04:38 *🌐 Liberalism and Mainline Churches* - The mainline Protestant denomination has been a haven for liberalism for a significant period. - Embracing diversity of opinions while remaining in the same denomination has been a key principle. - The acceptance of homosexuality and same-sex marriage has been a catalyst for policy changes in the mainline churches. 08:09 *🏳️🌈 Overture Impact on PCUSA* - An overture within the PCUSA aims to mandate an open and affirming position across the denomination. - Proposed changes include adding gender identity and sexual orientation to non-discrimination lists. - Concerns have been raised about potential exclusion of certain beliefs and individuals within the denomination. 15:25 *⚖️ Response to Overture Within PCUSA* - Dissent among PCUSA pastors regarding the proposed changes in the overture. - Discussions about freedom of conscience and the interpretation of scripture. - Debates on the potential impact of enforcing a singular interpretation on issues of human sexuality. Made with HARPA AI
@WaterMelon-Cat2 ай бұрын
None of the denominations or people mentioned in this video are Christian. I wish people would stop acting as if you can’t believe whatever you want and still get to be apart of the faith.
@geordiewishart16832 ай бұрын
Like believing Joseph is the terror of demons?! Lol
@richdorak15472 ай бұрын
So PCUSA has lost the plot too . God does not make up His mind via a " spectrum " of considerations. He's pretty black and white on what He determines right or wrong . Society changes. He doesn't . I'm thankful for His way . Peace
@joshuamkk2 ай бұрын
Any church wedded to this world will be widowed by it in the next
@_ky58242 ай бұрын
At this point, this channel does sounds like a Catholic or Orthodox advertising campaign.
@theeccentrictripper38632 ай бұрын
If you're craving even marginal amounts of theological stability those are your two options, everyone else is just a weather vane it seems. I'm a humble neoplatonist though, so it's not my fight, I'm just watching from my weird little corner with fascination.