I hate to be overly dismissive but there is something truly comical about all these tiny schismatic groups pointing fingers in circles at each other.
@toranshaw4029 Жыл бұрын
Especially as it makes things difficult for people who are thinking of potentially joining, with each group saying different things as to what's the 'valid' teaching.
@srd2725 Жыл бұрын
also all of their websites look completely insane
@dicknig1054 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of all the Sedevacantist groups in Roman Catholicism and the Old Calendarist groups in Orthodoxy.
@abrandenburg10 Жыл бұрын
@@srd2725 late 90s website design is alive and well with these guys
@highviewbarbell Жыл бұрын
Orthodox moment
@borderlands6606 Жыл бұрын
Davidian graphics are great. Inky cut-and-paste symbolism without even a nod to the modern world.
@branchdavidianhistory-fb3og Жыл бұрын
Indeed. I think that’s one of the problems for modern Davidian groups as they feel so beholden to re-publish exact duplicates of Houteff’s original writings that they are sorely out of date with modern tastes.
@chedelirio6984 Жыл бұрын
Love the flowery prose of their mutual shade AND the way they all set themeselves up with the exact same names and brands.
@tjenadonn6158 Жыл бұрын
It's a bit like that old line about how you never see a Second Baptist Church, or how most of the offshoots of the Latter-Day Saints movement just call themselves The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints so people trying to study the movement resort to calling each branch by the name of it's founder (the most famous ones and the ones most people think of when they think of Mormons are the Brighamites, but there's also the Strangites, the Bickertonites, the W̶i̶l̶m̶i̶n̶g̶t̶o̶n̶i̶t̶e̶s̶ (upon further inspection this group doesn't actually exist: pretend I mentioned the Godbeites instead,) the various Temple Lot sects (that's Temple Lot in Independence MO, not Temple Square in SLC) and half a million more. Honestly as a scholar of new religious movements Christian NRMs have some of the worst branding I've seen. I mean the Church of Scientology's offshoots have branding that you'd never confuse with the COS, whether we're talking strictly about the Free Zone/independent Scientology scene (example groups would be the Advanced Ability Center, Ron's Org, and the Advanced Org of the Great Plains) or the various groups founded by Scientologists which don't practice Scientology (examples would include Erhard Seminars Training, NXIVM, The Process Church of the Final Judgement, and Eckankar (which in turn has its own offshoot groups like Ancient Teachings of the Masters and Vardankar.))
@weirdlanguageguy Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 who are the wilmingtonites? I've never heard of them before and I'm not getting any results from my internet searches.
@tjenadonn6158 Жыл бұрын
@@weirdlanguageguy Upon further research they're what happen when I type some ungodly hour of the morning (no pun intended) and accidentally whip an LDS sect out of thin air. Call it a mulligan?
@ropersonline Жыл бұрын
It's somewhat strange they haven't sued each other out of existence over it. At least corporate America tends to get hyper-defensive over branding and names being confusingly similar. You'd half expect that to carry over to these churches and give rise to internecine court battles where only the lawyers are winners thanks to huge legal fees. Are these groups perhaps religiously opposed to settling the issue in court, or do they all have such similarly strong claims to those names that they realise a fight over branding would be mutually assured destruction?
@MethodistPreacher Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158my step-father’s (God rest his soul) Church is St. John Second Baptist Church. It’s the only Church I know with “Second Baptist” in it.
@nasonguy Жыл бұрын
Fun little anecdote. I had an OLD beat up dually that had electrical issues and couldn't pass emissions. Wasn't worth it to repair. Listed it in the classifieds (yes I'm old) and the people who came to pick it up made sure it started, then gave us like $100 over our asking price because we had just filled it up (dual 20 gallon tanks). Cash in an envelope. Didn't want a bill of sale, hardly even wanted the title. Asked them what they were gunna do with it, turns out the just needed a ranch truck for their compound. Asked them about their compound, and they straight up told us they were Branch Davidians out in some BFE town in southeast Arizona.
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
Small world, I guess!
@bradchun21 Жыл бұрын
One believer = heretic. Two believers = church. Three believers = schism.
@officaldungeons Жыл бұрын
Today I learned what BFE means 😅 Not a question for your specifically but why Egypt?? Surely there’s more desolate places who’s name could’ve been used. Egypt was such a big power throughout history
@nasonguy Жыл бұрын
@@officaldungeons Just a turn of phrase my guy. Oldest reference I could find is military slang from 1972... So who knows. I wouldn't read too much into it.
@crosisofborg55246 ай бұрын
@@officaldungeonsget over it
@CanonessEllinor Жыл бұрын
I like how the internal politics were so complicated that it took 14 minutes to get to “oh yeah, what do these people believe?” 😂
@elisejaudon925 Жыл бұрын
It is reminiscent of a Monty Python conversation.
@circeciernova171210 ай бұрын
@@elisejaudon925at first I read that as "Monty Python conversion" - quite an image!
@TimothyMatkin Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work. You do an excellent job. There are so many groups I know nothing about, but when you cover the ones I’m familiar with, everything is spot-on! So I trust you as a reliable source of information for the rest. Again, great job and many thanks.
@jacobnewmanlim2470 Жыл бұрын
Hello, Father, are you a part of the Anglican Church in North America?
@jimbobjones5972 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobnewmanlim2470 I think he is, yes.
@eddieboyky Жыл бұрын
Great video. This is the kind of religious study that most fascinates me.
@funbukit5366 Жыл бұрын
wow, my head is spinning now.
@AwesomeSauce696969 Жыл бұрын
Your best video yet. Well done. Reading about all these little perpetually fractionating Protestant groups makes me so happy in my heart. Imagine what it must be like to belong to a church with maybe 100-ish people and to earnestly believe without a shadow of a doubt that yours is the one true church and that even those who are so similar to you except on minor details not even noticeable to outsiders are going to Hell for not believing the exact same things as you. It must be really, really nice honestly.
@LINUXLINUXLINUXLINUXLINUXLINUX Жыл бұрын
Not all small church Protestant lines believe all other Christians go to hell or that they are the "one true church" FYI
@19AGJ86 Жыл бұрын
As a Davidian Seventh Day Adventist, this video is accurate. Well done!
@duriuswulkins4324 Жыл бұрын
What is the Gospel?
@sandrasmith265 Жыл бұрын
I Don’t even know why they call themselves SDA 🤦🏻♀️… simply a group who started new false doctrines that’s why they were expelled from the SDA church…
@19AGJ86 Жыл бұрын
@@sandrasmith265 What new false doctrines are you talking about? If anything, Davidian SDA members are more Adventist, than none Davidian SDA members. Give me one example of one of their false doctrines.
@thisistheway7529 Жыл бұрын
@@19AGJ86Can you tell me pls, what happened with that group of David Koresh and with Camp and buildings that have been burned down in that tragedy?
@19AGJ86 Жыл бұрын
@@thisistheway7529 I'm not sure, but I believe that branch davidians still exist.
@AaronOnTheTrails Жыл бұрын
Before you finish this series I fully expect you to say "but that denomination had a split and formed a new denomination, which is literally just one guy."
@thisistheway7529 Жыл бұрын
Yes, only one guy called Muhamad 😂
@truedarklander10 ай бұрын
? @@thisistheway7529
@oldpossum579 ай бұрын
Better yet, someone with multiple personality disorder who belongs to several mutually exclusive sects.
@theMoerster Жыл бұрын
For awhile there this descended (ascended?) into a Davidian version of Life of Brian.
@LazyCat010 Жыл бұрын
"We have to unite against our common enemy!"
@theMoerster Жыл бұрын
@@LazyCat010 The Judean People's Front?!?!
@heard3879 Жыл бұрын
That's mind-blowing. How do people even have the time for figuring out which branch they want to davidian with...
@the.real.relicious Жыл бұрын
Really like the style you have going on. For some reason it makes me feel like I've gone back to the 80s in a library somewhere. I can almost smell the smell of the books. Thanks for your work!
@paulcollins5423 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. As always a great video but I've got to admit that, despite your formidable powers of lucid presentation, I am still bewildered.
@davethinkingsystems Жыл бұрын
Great video. There is a lot of work in this so thanks for sharing this.
@upa7sa Жыл бұрын
Your video was very well done excellent video and well presented, your research and attention to detail is quite remarkable. I really did enjoy your video and you have presented information that most Adventists and even Davidians don’t know. Blessings
@peregrine0ne Жыл бұрын
This is a better video than the one I saw in the past. Yet it is Almost perfect. Why is the following fact missing? We have previously stated that this truth [[ the Shepherd's Rod ]] came through the Sabbath School department in 1929, in the lessons of the first quarter of that year, beginning with Isaiah 54 to the 66th chapter inclusive. The 54th was the first to reveal that these chapters were written directly to the church at this very time as explained on pages 136-40. In Isa. 58:1 we learned that *God is to reveal the existing sins in the church, and thereby call for reformation.* We quote the verse: "Cry aloud, spare not lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." {1SR:240.3} This scripture now has met its fulfillment. *After these existing sins were revealed,* these studies were put into writing, the document being entitled "The Shepherd's Rod," and placed in the hands of the leading men of this movement. Thus the "Cry" like a "trumpet" is being sounded. The evidence of the existing sins being made known (shown) to God's people and to the house of Jacob, also showing that Laodiceans have neglected the invitations of the True Witness, therefore, the shame of our nakedness has appeared. "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev. 3:18.-1SR:240.3-241.1 There is nothing written in the Word of God that cannot come to pass. Always go directly to the source to find out for yourself all facts concerning any religious subject at hand.
@tgmccoy1556 Жыл бұрын
I have an associate who is Davidian. Bats in the belfry. "Always Winter and never Christmas"
@thesinfultictac5704 Жыл бұрын
Is that a Narnia Quote?
@tgmccoy1556 Жыл бұрын
@@thesinfultictac5704 yes.
@andrewsalmon100 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Very impressive research Sir. Glad to be Roman Catholic.
@michaelpaul2892 Жыл бұрын
Just as the Anglican church is the needle in the Catholics' ass up to this day.
@michaelpaul2892 Жыл бұрын
So go do your research on that!.😅😅😅
@KingoftheJuice18 Жыл бұрын
Sure, there have never been any controversies or divisions about that church!
@chemicalcowpoke307 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s pretty easy if you always bow to Rome.
@donut9719 Жыл бұрын
@@KingoftheJuice18 Schismatics will schism 🤷♂
@ZephaniahL Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting premise for a KZbin channel -- learning a lot. Thank you!
@warriorlink8612 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown, good summary on an otherwise fractured religious sect. It's interesting that all Davidian sects can agree on "the tithe only goes to who has the truth", and then these sects pop up all claiming to have the truth, while discrediting the other sects. Seems like each one just wants all the tithes to themselves. But that's crazy talk, they would never be motivated by money...
@brendaboykin3281 Жыл бұрын
Thank you,Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹
@TheMVCoho Жыл бұрын
Most important point is Mr. Houteff was disfellowshpped from the Seventh-Day Adventist Church about a Century ago for teachings that were not in line with Seventh-Day Adventist. And everything since has been many splinters going further and further a field from the SDA church. As an SDA many years ago as a kid I heard of the Shepards Rods and as you said they are basically hostile towards Adventist yet view them as their only "mission field". Seems like a handful of "strong men" trying to fight it out for control these days. Thanks for the this amazing research.
@BigRonRN18 Жыл бұрын
Having grown up in "Adventist Ghettos", I've had to deal with these splinter groups several times. Sometimes they are low-key and are handing out propaganda flyers or pamphlets, and other times they are confrontational and protesting Adventist get-togethers. Looking at their literature makes me wonder WHO would ever take it seriously. Seeing their behavior also makes one question who would take them seriously.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
This is largely false. Being in this movement for over 12 years now, I have RARELY seen or heard of Davidians being "hostile" towards SDA members. In fact, it is usually the other way around!
@larsandrune Жыл бұрын
@@robp123451 Preying exclusively on the Sda church isn't hostile? Believing all SdA's one day must and will be Killed isn't Hostile? It certainly is from a SDA Christian ✝️ point of view.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
@@larsandrune You are using the very same tactics the SDA use. They use trigger words such "prey" "disrupt" "hostile" etc. As for "all SDA will be killed" , that is out of context. The message from Ellen White (SDA founder) was the message originally that taught that a church purification was coming to the SDA church (we have a report on that). She used Ezek. 9 as her basis for that, the DSDA simply adhere to what the prophetess taught and do not deny it ( as do many SDA leaders -- a paradox for sure!). You can also see the purification from Scripture ( See Isaiah 66:15-21 and Mal. 3:1-5)
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
And I am pretty sure the Bulgarian Orthodox Church disowns Mr. Houteff as well!
@soundimpact4633 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Thank you!
@leonstevens1382 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant summaries and analyses!
@spider_hoss Жыл бұрын
Great information.
@billyrayphillips Жыл бұрын
The amount of research you must have done in order to get all this information is insane.
@jacksonkulu38096 ай бұрын
I have read and studied most of the books without being judgemental and I testify Bro Houtef indeed taught the present truth that I must know.
@davidiansdaadventist51905 ай бұрын
That's it! As Bible says "STUDY to show yourselves approved unto God.."
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Жыл бұрын
I did not think they still existed, fascinating!
@famliy60 Жыл бұрын
My whole family is Waco Davidians. I was born a Davidian.
@famliy60 Жыл бұрын
BTW you would be more accepted being a demon in the main SDA church than a Davidian. They treat Davidians like the Devil himself.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Oh Yes! and growing.
@famliy60 Жыл бұрын
@robp123451 What set are you from?
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
@@famliy60 We are part of the Pre-11th hour Ministry
@hermenutic Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that. I am a former SDA born and bred so to speak. I remember at a camp meeting about 58 or 59 right in front of the big tent at the evening meeting there was a trash can for Shepherd's Rod literature. There was also a guy with a white beard and like a shepherd's crook standing by. I had no idea what was going on.
@100megatonYT Жыл бұрын
The headquarters of the GA DSDA is across the street from my High School (I’m in Waco)
@giftgreen3748 Жыл бұрын
Fair and accurate analysis, not biased. May God bless you brother.
@bradleycombs2626 Жыл бұрын
It’s wild to me how many different denomination and “interesting” groups that came out of the original Adventist group.
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
William Miller opened a real can of worms!
@knightrider585 Жыл бұрын
Wow as an ex-Trotskyist I sense something familiar with the Davidians. haha
@weirdlanguageguy Жыл бұрын
Internal power struggles and schisms really do seem to be an inherent aspect of humanity
@WilliamCarterII5 ай бұрын
Ok as a marxist this sent me lmao
@enixbluerain7213 Жыл бұрын
"Let them fight!"
@Aalienik Жыл бұрын
That's a level of splintering enough to make even a Trotskyist blush ;)
@ReadyToHarvest Жыл бұрын
Here's the link to watch the UsefulCharts video that continues the family tree of denominations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5aVkmCjhNCAbJo You don't want to miss this one!
@SachaBrixhe Жыл бұрын
Rather, it's time to know Jesus, it's time to hear from Him, because you won't have all the time you want to seek after Him, and you undoubtly know that you won't find Him in church. You have to seek Jesus to find Him, because He is a real person, He Is Alive, He Is God, He Is Lord, He speaks and He is not mute. You have to pray to Him, you have to listen to Him. Because you'll have to give an account to Him, and it can be whenever. Get right with Him, because otherwise you do everything in vain and you'll perish with vanity in Hell. But He gave His Blood so that you can be right with Him, so that you can be forgiven of your sins if you repent, so that you can be delivered from sin, so that you can receive understanding from Him. He does not only love people, He hates sin also. He Is Faithful to make Himself known to you if you humbly ask Him and persist. May Jesus bless you.
@The_House_Velaryon Жыл бұрын
As a literal Davidian... I must say I find this enter😂ing
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing research on these obscure sects. Not practical info for me, but their histories and interconnections are fascinating!
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@@The_House_Velaryon as a religious freak show- we find you freaky.
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@@The_House_Velaryon what’s the gospel?
@protocriteria790 Жыл бұрын
Hi Joshua, this is a little off topic, but what do you know about the Faith Center in Glendale CA, led by Pastor Melissa Scott? Apparently, the church was founded by her late husband, Dr. Gene Scott. I know it's not technically a denomination, but it seems to be its own unique entity. I can't figure them out.
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
It might be one of many independent congregations that exist these days.
@ReinSouls Жыл бұрын
When you get to the part that they all hate each other. I went "So they're all Libertarians?"
@nattylite1943 Жыл бұрын
Damn Davidians they ruined Davidianism
@k-v-d1795 Жыл бұрын
Better to dislike others and debate about it than hating yourself like the average liberal.
@cinemint Жыл бұрын
@@k-v-d1795 preach, brother
@errol5603 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I got it. I am listening. He is quite accurate on many things.
@garryholcomb993 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video. Very informative and interesting
@Pedro1745 Жыл бұрын
As a Boards of Canada fan I feel scammed. As a professional Ready to Harvest enjoyer I'm here to learn about cool topics.
@Bfatbins Жыл бұрын
There is a KZbin channel made by some of the modern branch davidians who reject David Koresh and it is fascinating.
@joyturner43799 ай бұрын
David koresh stole the Branch devidian identity 😮see what happen? The enemy has and continues to tarnish the TRUTHS of God's words..... there will be a remnant saved from the bdsda.... the 144000 first fruits....GOD'S TRUTH WAS NEVER POPULAR, AND STILL IS TODAY😮....GUIDE US INTO ALL TRUTH CONCERNING YOUR KINGDOM OH LORD,AMEN
@joelwhite23618 ай бұрын
I am from Waco TX where the Branch Davidian standoff was in the 90s. However, the branch davidian cult still exists in Waco and my mom had to do a psych eval on one of its members
@branchdavidianhistory-fb3og Жыл бұрын
An absolutely per superb job! This is the most accurate presentation of the history of the Davidians I have ever seen. And I have been studying their history for practically my whole life. If you do want to learn more details about the Branch Davidians, I recommend my channel. Good job Ready To Harvest!
@GerardPerry Жыл бұрын
I just subbed.
@forthosewitheyestosee8183 Жыл бұрын
BDH,....Do you agree that these people have nothing whatsoever to do with the God nor Christianity of the Bible?
@greatexpectations6577 Жыл бұрын
Do they view the government as a hostile power?
@branchdavidianhistory-fb3og Жыл бұрын
@@greatexpectations6577 if you mean: “Did the Davidians view the government as a hostile power?” No, not to the extent that the Branch Davidians did under Koresh. Having said that they would’ve held to a national Sunday law doctrine meeting that eventually the United States will pass a Sunday law, making it illegal to keep the sabbath.
@forthosewitheyestosee8183 Жыл бұрын
@@branchdavidianhistory-fb3og ,....Again, Do you agree (understand) that these people have nothing whatsoever to do with the God nor Christianity of the Bible?
@euroschmau Жыл бұрын
All shall cower before my presence, mere mortals!
@AmericanShia786 Жыл бұрын
I knew about the Davidians but thought it was just one group, not many. If I believed Christians were supposed to keep the seventh day, I'd just be a 7th Day Baptist ... rather than try to condemn everyone who doesn't agree with my bible interpretations in minute detail. Scary stuff.
@gammafoxlore2981 Жыл бұрын
They're well known amongst the SDA community for disrupting & dismantling churches, and generally being hostile to regular SDAs.
@MrMarlowe3488 Жыл бұрын
as a marxist i just have to say i'm in awe of this, these are the most trotskyist christians i've ever seen, all the denominations have one of two names and can only be destinguished by their po box city or website, several of the denominations literally just seem to be a guy with a website, and there's no attendance numbers because they're all purely entryist into the sda, actually incredible
@nevillemutemwasilimwe7659 Жыл бұрын
Great work Joshua Kindly share links to materials to all the groups of davidians available so far
@ReadyToHarvest Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Links are in the video description.
@Mr.Nichan Жыл бұрын
For some reason it's really funny to me that they said, if Brother Houteff didn't come back to life in 1959, they would be proven wrong, and then they actually went through with it and went back to being normal Seventh-day Adventists when it didn't happen in 1959. It's as if I'm shocked to see logic or science actually applying, even if there was a 3-year delay.
@aganese4030 Жыл бұрын
They have come to understand that brother Houteff was wrong, his argument failed biblical truth, and was not accepted by the Seventh day Adventist Church, so he took some members and creat his own, but his predictions shows his false understanding of the Bible, and the memebers went back to the SDA, that I believe what happened. SDA is the only church that teaches the biblical truth,
@danijel912111 ай бұрын
@@aganese4030 Victor houtteff did not predict the 1959 event...it was his wife after his death...never quarrel with facts
@AlanWolf-d7l5 ай бұрын
None of us have the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. Phyxology is now a mandotory class at most Seminaries including SDA Lacombe Ab. Phycology is a "form of godliness denying the POWER" ( WE are told to depart from this ) "self esteem" is pride. So unfortunately SDA have also some 1/2 truths. Covetousness is the 10 commandment. Is what causes true Love to wax cold Math 24:12-15. Is NOT dietary issue repeat of 1st temple ( as some try to teach) But Covetousness is now being called "good christian stewardship. Teachers giving itcher ears what they want to hear. Promise blessing for dinations and tax deduxtions from athestic Gov lol Teachers often reaping what they have NOT even sown. Beware solar ecipse April 8 ( during Passover too) formed Cdptal "A" Igabod has been WRITTEN. 1 403 830 4124 Calgary Ab Cdn. WALK ( get out of the boat like Peter) in the LIGHT ( progressively ) lest the darkness over take us. BEWARE Enoch in 1st 1000 yrs Event every 1000 yrs. Math 27:52-53 is Rev 14:4 "First Fruits" is pre- trib prior to Nero 1st Century AD. Is conformed too 1 Thes 4:14 "asleep come with HIM" V 15-17 we are the next event. REV 7:9 the "Great Multide." ( note from the dead in the last 1993 yrs Beware Lukewarmness warned of - Math 22 few chosen for wedding 2 wtnesses sent to tell us the real Truth. No MSM etc will NOT tell us No UFO etc did NOT take a few HE is merciful. But Rev 20 those "beheaded" will be caught up" too with Rev 11. ZECK 14 NO reserection of Jews from Mt Olives. V 5 "saints come with HIM" coming to reign as Ambasdors already chosen at 3rd heaven Marriage Supper before they come with HIM. Will be required as Ambasdors to represent each nation at the Feast of Tabernacles. Rev 21 "new begings" is the 8th even 3 events on each side of the cross ( like we see on the Menorha ) Eyes to see and ears to hear. We have HIS WRITTEN WORD to whom much is given much is required. Live fresh water fish now in sink holes of the Dead Sea. Zeck 14 is starting to hsppen. It's WAKE up time. Amos 1 and Zeph 2 speak of Gazza. Etc.
@mercster Жыл бұрын
Strange and fascinating. Thanks.
@mercster Жыл бұрын
Ahhh, see that's the part I got wrong about Biblical truth. My church is west of me... clearly I'm barking up the wrong tree.
@philipfm79 Жыл бұрын
well said.God bless you
@sandrasmith265 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation
@vadec5909 Жыл бұрын
So many smart wolves, getting the sheep to follow!
@noman4669 Жыл бұрын
At first I read it as Dravidians and thought of course they still exist... And then saw the channel's name and read the title once again lol.
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Жыл бұрын
The Dravidians not only still exist, they have a sick tech tree and a great matchup against archer civs.
@bigscarysteve Жыл бұрын
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Dravidians are the people of southern India, speaking a family of languages unrelated to those of the Aryans of northern India. I did a quick Google search to figure out what on earth you're talking about. As far as I can tell, it's some computer game that hijacked the name "Dravidian" because it sounds cool.
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Жыл бұрын
@@bigscarysteve I'm not sure which computer game your referring to, I was referring to Age of Empires 2.
@bigscarysteve Жыл бұрын
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts I couldn't tell you either. As far as I'm concerned, all computer games are the same. My only concern is the difference between the Dravidians who live in a fictional computer world and the Dravidians who live in the real world.
@angellee9307 Жыл бұрын
Good work , good man.
@DKMaester Жыл бұрын
The General Asociation makes a good point.
@venomvandal5443 Жыл бұрын
Based
@intergalactichumanempire9759 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the People’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front.
@bigscarysteve Жыл бұрын
Never heard of that.
@intergalactichumanempire9759 Жыл бұрын
@@bigscarysteve It’s a Monty Python skit about two groups that want the exact same thing with slightly different names, but both hate each other.
@gwmkiwi Жыл бұрын
What I have learned from this channel is that there are some really crazy religions in the USA
@marmeemarch7080 Жыл бұрын
That's been true for decades, at least. It was also true for the Roman Empire. 🤷♀️
@greatexpectations6577 Жыл бұрын
I watched the whole video, but I care so little about the subject that my mind kept wandering 😢
@davidiansdaadventist51905 ай бұрын
We praise the Lord this brother has compiled quite an accurate historical report. Being in the movement for about 14 years, I know where of I speak. Reading some of the comments I am compelled to clarify some points here. 1. Davidian Seventh-day Adventists are NOT the same as Branch Davidians (many want to lump them together because they see that both us the word Davidian.) We will use DSDA for short. 2. DSDA do not intend to "kill" SDA in the church someday. One of the craziest false rumors around! 3. DSDA hold to ALL the fundamental beliefs of the SDA church. The only difference being is that they have 15 additional Fundamental Beliefs. 4. They do not teach to "leave" the SDA church. That is not our goal at all. 5. The main basic teachings of the DSDA are -- reformation within our church, the church purification coming (Ezek. 9, Isaiah 66:15-21, Mal. 3:1-5) and prior to the world's close of probation, the setting up of God's final Gospel proclamation based from the Holy Land ( Isaiah 2:2-3). The sealing of the 144,000 and its importance. Ofcourse there are more but those are the four core teachings.
@TurtleMarcus Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you cover and analyze the local church in The Simpsons: the First Church of Springfield, belonging to the Western Branch of the American Reformed Presby-Lutheranism. While clearly a joke, it would be interesting to see what The Simpsons says about denominations in pop culture, and to see if that church could theoretically belong to any real world denomination.
@KennyBare Жыл бұрын
There is a real sect called the "Anglo-Lutheran-Catholics".
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
The Simpsons' congregation always seemed Methodist to me, but I can't tell you why. Also, I have been told by old ORU alumni that Ned Flanders is undeniably modeled on a former ORU chaplain whose name I have forgotten.
@TurtleMarcus Жыл бұрын
@@michaels4255 I think Methodism is a good fit: the Springfield church has liturgical worship, with vestments and hymns. They practise infant baptism, and (presumably) have an episcopal polity. Also, they do not appear to have a special focus on a born-again experience, and they don't have a strict social code. The church is also called "the first church of Springfield" (no denominational descriptors). If it truly was the first church in Springfield, and Springfield was founded in 1796, it makes sense that it was a Methodist or Methodist-influenced church, seeing that this was in the 2nd Great Awakening.
@marmeemarch7080 Жыл бұрын
I remember when that awful event happened. It's worth reading up on, or maybe watching the Netflix series about, which I just now learned about, so that's on my to-watch list.
@michaels4255 Жыл бұрын
Never had to end that way either. The Feds were too eager to cover themselves in "glory."
@jaidengabriel1675 Жыл бұрын
@@michaels4255 The ATF called it operation "showtime"
@letitiajeavons63338 ай бұрын
I know Caitlin Doughty from Ask a Mortician did a very respectful video on the subject.
@aguerra1381 Жыл бұрын
In the early days of Christianity there were no New Testament writings, most people were illiterate and yet whatever they received from God deeply transformed them; to the point of being willing to die before giving it up! There was a deep fundamental unity amongst them weaved together by a DEEP love of God and one another. What changed?
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
Now that’s a great question.
Жыл бұрын
Very potent question; I can't answer it, but it comes to mind: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12-13
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@ easy question to answer. Nothing changed. The gospel is the gospel. Christ crucified and risen for reconciliation. Many early Christians were slaves with no hope on the lunatic asylum planet of the universe. They rejoiced in a present hope of messiah, and a future hope of eternity with pure love and freedom. America, where I am cursed to live, has a population of big screen tv owners. They are the antithesis of slaves. Humans only repent and embrace the gospel when they are hurting and in pain. There ya go.
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@ you did answer. Good answer
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@ prosperity doctrine wasn’t preached to early church believers.
@namaalwaannet40698 ай бұрын
Despite the confusion on which is the right association after the death of Bro Houteff, the shepherd's rod is a pure and true message to cleanse the Seventh day Adventist church and later the whole world, i believe it with my whole heart and life.
@MiamiMarkYT Жыл бұрын
Not to be disrespectful or condescending, but one of the most reassuring aspects of my faith as a Catholic is that instead of fracturing into dozens of tiny contentious sects with murky lineages that vehemently bicker amongst themselves over minutiae, we have a crystal clear apostolic succession tracing back 2000 years and have continued to flourish to over a billion faithful. It’s comforting knowing that the spiritual head of our church traces his roots directly to St. Peter rather than some regular guy in Early America that just claimed to be prophetic.
@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Жыл бұрын
I am in Eastern Orthodox Christian who loves my Catholic brothers and sisters. Let us pray that God will renew our Churches and bring us back into communion with each other. We need each other.
@oldpossum579 ай бұрын
And I think it hilarious that you don’t recognize that almost all these splinter churches started as chunks that fell off your log in the early renaissance. Surely you know that the doctrines of your church change too. Remember limbo?
@joyturner43799 ай бұрын
Soon all of us will see and know what is what.... judgment of God coming,already is in the land,for not accepting and believing his truths... Faith and works
@GenJoseph-xu1fz3 ай бұрын
That should terrify you and not motivate you, if everything is all sunshine and rainbows then your definitely under Satan's dominion and your church as well. Why do you think there is so much Division in the sda church in particular? Going to davidians these people study till the morning, catholics got nothing on these guys and they will be revealed soon as the 144,000 wether you like it or not, whilst you were eating pig these people spent being vegetarian, and reading the scripture as it is.
@zacharycurrie3708 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Boringcountrylife Жыл бұрын
I wonder how they legally have the name Seventh-day Adventist when the founder was kicked out of the SDA church and the modern SDA church quickly sues any splinter group that includes their name in it.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Most likely because our movement has been in existence since 1930 and the name DSDA was used publicly since 1943. That's a long time of acceptance or, may we say tolerance from the SDA corporation.
@larsandrune Жыл бұрын
SDA did try to sue over the name but lost in court. (Don't know why)
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@@robp123451 our movement? No needs your devil dog movement freak.
@trevorbingham4072 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised at how intolerant many Adventist are. I have never heard of a Southern Baptist or Evangelical Lutheran wanting to sue other Baptists or Lutherans who use that name.
@warpnin32 ай бұрын
@@trevorbingham4072 Intolerant? Wouldn't you find it a bit annoying if someone started to comment on youtube using the screenname: trevorDingham4027 ?
@trigun1081 Жыл бұрын
Very cool info
@20thcenturytunes Жыл бұрын
PEW Charitable Trust Published an article back in 2011 about "Why Millenials aren't going to church" (paraphrased title) It is partially this - churches arguing over who is right/legit and neglecting the work of the church
@quinnjohnson9750 Жыл бұрын
You should make a video about the break away groups of the Mormons such as the Temple Lot Church, Message of Elijah and their break away groups from within. It would be interesting.
@jhayd51526Ай бұрын
So How about SDARM and STEPS TO LIFE etc?
@microdesigns2000 Жыл бұрын
Schism is like divorce, which God hates. If your church suffers from this, read on. There are often those in a church who believe they are more inspired than those who taught them. But usually they have only generated unfounded doctrine, unwilling to accept they may be false. Here are a few ways I have come to discern truth in these matters. The doctrine is false if: - The primary mission is to other church members and little obedience to Matthew 28:19 (Go ye therefore). - The doctrine tends toward or includes the disparagement of leaders of the church in violation of Exodus 22:28 (Do not speak evil) - Proponents are willing to interrupt Bible study groups discussions to use it as their platform in violation of 1 Cor 14:29 (let the other judge). - Personal holiness is their only point in violation of Hosea 6:6 (I desire mercy). - Making official-sounding organizations with themselves as the leader rather than building up the church (consider Acts 5:34-39). - They believe their doctrine is foundational. And when discerning elders show them their doctrine is unbiblical, they react by working secretly, often sowing discord. Now those points require a lot of discernment because the entire reformation movement could be condemned thereby. A sermon could be written on each point. There were only a remnant who returned to Jerusalem after the exile. There were few who were prepared for the appearance of a humble Messiah. And it appears that wickedness will increase until the day of his appearing. And who will be able to stand? My point is, the church leaders and the majority is often wrong. For example, concerning the Sabbath, church leaders first desired to put to death our Lord Jesus, and by the law they condemned and crucified Him. Luther desired to reform the church but was unable, unintentionally ending up with a different church altogether. Each of the following reformers had their story. The Adventists did not intend or form a church of their own until they were rejected by their respective denominations (for their beliefs in the second coming 1 Thes 4:17). In non-denominational churches, I know of many people disenchanted by the continuing progression of doctrinal changes (even while many others in the congregations don't care or love the changes). Because I belong to a denomination, they question me about all the new teachings from their pulpits. I can say this, that these sensational churches without a denomination are worse off than their former state for this reason: - Abandonment of Bible principles for a theories or traditions, such as overlooking both old and new testament guidance on immorality in the church. Some denominations in the last twenty years embraced teachings that were formerly unthinkable. The abandonment of the Bible and mixture of "culture" into the church is an act called spiritual "adultery". The first church to do this is given in the Bible the name "Babylon Mother of harlots". Any church embracing culture makes themselves one of her daughters because they seek to fill their worship centers based on lowered standards and inclusiveness. Is it okay to bring them into church with "come as you are", while also saying "stay as you are" in violation of John 8:11 (go and sin no more)? So both ultra-conservative and liberal "wolves" are storming through our churches. Adventists suffer from the former because it is already a very conservative church, though there are also liberal pockets. Popular churches suffer badly from liberal teachings, relying on "sermon central" and similar sources for doctrine instead of the Bible and the influence of the Holy Spirit, and they are greatly influenced by political climate. If only "thus says the Lord" would be the habit of all believers. If your church suffers from any of the above, it is time to be on your knees before the Lord (Rev 5:8, your prayers).
@toddbu-WK7L Жыл бұрын
My head hurts 😢 If I may ask, where is Christ in all of this? He alone is the object of our faith and worship. While Joshua always does a fantastic job of accurately representing what each denomination believes, this all sounds like a huge distraction away from what is truly important
@tgmccoy1556 Жыл бұрын
Exactly no Christ all law
@Matt-zp1jn Жыл бұрын
Seventh Day Adventists & their infamous leader Ellen G White are a spinoff legalistic sect from Christianity that is more a cult that “threw the baby out with the bathwater”, in the pursuit of legalism.
@JohnPaul-ol5zl Жыл бұрын
Agreed. These different "sects" (my words, not the presenter's) are just an example of what is known as division among Christians that is better seen in the large denominations. Yes, many of times Christ is placed to the side, as groups/sub-groups agrue about say laws and the like. They end up loosing the Spirit of the Word of God and what Jesus taught, because they are too focused on being Right and proving the opponent wrong. I'm not opposed to pointing out sin and wrong doing, but do so in sincerity and love. Make it about Jesus and not about yourself or your group/church/denomination. Most humans can pick up on the Intent of your words/actions. Stand firm in the Truth and avoiding squabbling with others because the Athiest love seeing it as it is ammo for their rifles. Few Athiest say it, but they aim to eradicate ALL religion from the world. God bless and may we all firm up our character for salvation sake.
@dancahill9585 Жыл бұрын
Just another bunch of nutty apocalyptic churches. I have no idea how any rational people would follow failed prophecies, like the Millerites who became the Seventh Day Adventists. If they make a prediction about the date of the end of days, and it is wrong, most likely most of the things they think about the Bible are also wrong. I'll never understand SDAs, or Jehovah's witnesses, or any of the other groups who base their lives around the concept that we are living in the end times. We've had 2000 years of people thinking that is true, and they all have been completely wrong.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Good question. Let's see, maybe it's the Lord who is "in all of this". "The Lord’s voice cries to the city-Wisdom shall see Your name:“Hear the rod! And Who has appointed it?" (Micah 6:9)
@pnwoutdoorlife Жыл бұрын
The end of this made me laugh harder then I should admit. 😅
@Mr.Nichan Жыл бұрын
13:15 Is that a derogatory metaphorical use of the word "Jesuit"? That's fascinating if so. I wonder what the connotation is.
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Yes he did indeed mean it in a derogatory way. His name is Lennox Sam, founder and "prophet" (as he is known by his followers)(Wavesheaf Ministries). Long story short he adds and subtracts to the original DSDA writings. His outlandish claims on "Jesuit infiltration" is his attempt to disparage those who challenge him. Of course, it is all a lie. Though our different groups do not see eye to eye on some of the doctrines, Lennox is almost universally shunned by those outside his group. The foremost reason is he has declared, though not openly (but through his teachings) , to be the last prophet of the SDA church. Something no one in any other active DSDA group claims or believes.
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@@robp123451 only one prophet in the sadventist freak show.
@rayray4192 Жыл бұрын
@@robp123451 our group? You are a religious freak Davidian?
@misterrandom9591 Жыл бұрын
“Doctor Blogger” Best video ever.
@jaypeve Жыл бұрын
Have you reviewed Christian Scientists, the snake handlers, Moonies, universal Unitarian, shakers
@TWolfe777 Жыл бұрын
Any info on Timothy McVeigh + Terry Nichols church (+ the KKK denominations)?
@Peoplesrepublicoffortnite Жыл бұрын
McVeigh was catholic. He just sympathized with the people who died at waco and saw the ATFs actions as reprehensible. McVeigh received his sacraments before his execution.
@iantreefellow Жыл бұрын
How many people are in each of these groups?
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Hard to say. But if i were to guess, no one group has over 5000 to 7000 members. We have never done a tally but fair to say the whole movement probably is under 25,000 (just my estimate).
@BubbaUltra5 ай бұрын
It would be hilarious if there were around 7 people in each denomination
@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic Жыл бұрын
Imma start the Davidians of Mt Carmel Publishers of Universal Shepherds.
@tronley77 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised that the Seventh Day Adventist church allowed them to used the name Seventh day Adventist to ensure there was a separation
@larsandrune Жыл бұрын
They tried to sue in court but for some reason lost.
@americanswan Жыл бұрын
SDA Church has nothing to do with these lunatics.
@popebretticus Жыл бұрын
Offshoots of offshoots. It's sad that so many people use these lunatics to call mainstream SDAs a cult.
@matthewherzel264 Жыл бұрын
It's just different dosages of the same poison in my opinion. I grew up in a third-generation "mainstream" SDA family, and Adventist culture and theology were quite harmful to me personally, and to many others I know. Adventists use the same kind of toxic in/out group thinking, information control, and guilt manipulation that other high-control groups do. Whether the SDA Church fits a strict definition of "cult" is an open question, but its behavior and the psychological damage it causes is absolutely similar.
@TheRealWilliamWhite Жыл бұрын
@brettweier9504 it's not without some historical merit, The Advent of the Adventists name isn't celebrating Christmas its from the first leaders (incorrect) prediction that the world was going to end (Also to be fair that was kind of in vouge at the time). I'm also aware they have softened to the somewhat more mainstream view of the world is going to end we just don't know when so prepare for it.
@americanswan Жыл бұрын
@Hold Fast This should be easy. What ultimately happens to the wicked?
@sanukajideshar6529 Жыл бұрын
Please explain who was William marion branham
@ReadyToHarvest Жыл бұрын
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@tonybasoni8443 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Great Job! This all just goes to further show how absolutely apostate everything called the church is.
@morefiction3264 Жыл бұрын
I did not know that Koresh's Davidians grew out of SDA.
@anthonyc3994 Жыл бұрын
🔥 The Rod message in Mountandale NY teach the Truth. In Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers pg 475, Ellen White prophecies another prophet to Succeed her who is to be the Elijah, and that was Mr Victor Houteff ‼️ The last Major Prophet predicted in Malachi Chpt 4: In the Meantime Satan sits on the Church teaching false doctrine and preaching past events instead of current & Future prophecy from the word of God. The Message of the Rod is to bring about the Literal number of the 144,000 of Revelation Chpt 7 & 14, they're virgins because they profess a pure faith & with out fault before the Throne of God‼️ When they are all Sealed , that is when the harvest of Ezekiel 9, takes place, the cleansing. The church must first be purified before the holy fire 🔥 falls on them ‼️ You've been Warned 🔥
@bluestarmonkeybreath601121 күн бұрын
How complicated can they be?
@Bmonkeygurl11 ай бұрын
I knew so little history, but as a Texan born I. 1980, I witnessed lots of news stories about the stand off. I didn't even realize this group splintered from the Seventh Day Adventists.
@clairisalong126 Жыл бұрын
I know what dividian is supposed to mean, but I think in this case it just means divided.
@nuggetoftruth-ericking74892 ай бұрын
Though there are different Davidian groups they all stem from an ancient doctrine regarding "Davidic Theology" and the proper understanding of the Davidic Covenant given in 2 Samuel ch.7 and talked about in Psalm 89. Currently, the Ancient Antiochene Church of God holds to the original Davidian teachings. (They are not SDA or BSDA teachings.) Speaking of small groups, only 120 disciples made up the first church at Pentacost.
@alex21mu Жыл бұрын
Interesting
@BibleMythBusters Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that Christianity is not judged by the early Gnostic and Nicolatian offshoots. Just so Adventists should be evaluated on their own merits, not the merits of the myriad of offshoots.
@308dad8 Жыл бұрын
I would need to see scriptural guidance for the vegetarianism as if a command isn’t from God to man it’s added and unnecessarily complicated the matters.
@WilliamCarterII Жыл бұрын
I just wanna say that all of these websites look terrible lol
@BubbaUltra5 ай бұрын
Should tell you something about the people running them
@lisasdfwhightechworld9946 Жыл бұрын
The event did not occur in Waco.
@BubbaUltra5 ай бұрын
Then where did it occur
@donedstrom1814 Жыл бұрын
Rev. 11 has only 19 verses. Florence Houteff based her false interpretation of the 42 months (3 1/2 yrs) in Rev. 11 on verse 2 beginning on Nov. 1955 (date of her publishing said interpretation in a counterfeit Sym. Code Vol. 11, No. 5) and ending in the spring of 1959, April 19 to be specific.
@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676 Жыл бұрын
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
Who has been trying to wrap their head around Shepherd's Rod?
@robp123451 Жыл бұрын
Those who read the Bible. "Hear ye the Rod, and Who has appointed it" (Micah 6:9)
@joyturner43799 ай бұрын
Praise God for the shepherds Rod. Beautiful TRUTHS