Real Time *Live* Traffic With FSTraffic Models - Better FPS & Performance from FSLTL in MSFS 2020

Since the release of FSTraffic, one of the biggest drawbacks of the title is the fact that it doesn't use real-time live traffic schedules to inject into MSFS. FSLTL has done this since day one, however the models from FSLTL have brought some users systems to a grinding hault. FSTraffic models seem much more optimised and so the question many people had, was can we use the better FSTraffic models with the real-time live traffic injector from FSLTL - well, now you can! In this video we show you how and compare the performance of both!
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[@fbwsimpilot]

Personally I wouldn't pay the £26 or so just to get better models. Fsltl models are great and they are free, and they update them regular. Nice of fsltl to give fstraffic users the option tho.

[@tigerpawdesigns]

Great idea - I have always bought just flights traffic as I like it more than any others, even the free ones. However now being able to have real time flights by adding it to FSLTL will make it even better. Thanks for this 😁

[@rhamsesacosta4745]

i have both of them FS traffic and FSLTL and i must admit that doing this works great !

[@enriqueosuna]

What would be the best MSFS General Options>Traffic setting for a combined FSLTL & FS Traffic? Also, is there anything that needs to be done for the FS Traffic configuration page?

[@animaxima8302]

nice move. FS Traffic models are way better and now, live traffic! thanks FBW!!

[@HA-hp6ui]

Great, we have the best of both worlds then. There's a good reason to have fstraffic appart from the models. I fly mostly at night in Europe and after 11 pm real traffic is scarce. Using both addons with addon linker is a breeze to change the one I need. Thanks for the vid

[@gweilo8888]

Yes, I am *far* more likely to consider buying FS Traffic because of this. Frame rate is a huge deal for VR users, and 4-5fps extra translates to a better feeling of reality whether by making things smoother or allowing the detail to be turned up a little somewhere else instead.

[@CarlosELugo]

Hi easy greetings from Puerto Rico. In my opinion I think that 3 - 4 fps of difference not worthy to buy FSTraffic to only view "better" models. FSLTL & FS TRAFFIC both have good models, but the only that say the last word is the $. FS TRAFFIC is seems a good injector, but cost it. FSLTL have good models, but IT'S FREE!! Thanks a lot for this video and keep going do that!

[@Ausflight360]

Thanks for the update and information! Excellent tutorial!

[@MrStrosty]

One of the biggest drawbacks to FS Traffic is only spawning traffic for your predetermined origin or landing location. Meaning if my flying around NYC it will only spawn traffic at the airport I start at. That means if I start at the heliport it won’t spawn any traffic from the 3 international airports.

[@tomg9488]

This is a very nice feature! It would be great if you could purchase a dumbed-down version of FS Traffic with just the models and no injector for like $20US. $40 is a little steep just for the models.

[@LuLeBe]

I think the models are the most work though, so if you're paying the percentage of development time that would probably be 85% or so, more like $35 then

[@tomg9488]

@@LuLeBe That's a good point, however, if you look at it from the IP perspective then the injector is were the secret sauce is.

[@sergiocanceladagonzalez8301]

It seems to be nice, but I'm still wondering if the effects that are included in FSTraffic would appear when using the models throught FSLTL. I mean, effects such as the reverse thrusts in landing, gear up... Nice video as ever @Easyjetsimpilot . Sorry for being so late, I've discovered your channel recently

[@henrikolsen5]

Nice to see EKCH @7:47 :)

[@manic_miner]

You can use AI Online traffic together with FS Traffic BUT unless you're willing to manually match up liveries, you will see a lot of white liveries at airports. Providing the option to use both is a great idea from the team at FSLTL and removes the blank white liveries.

[@trevormorgan3836]

I can't see the point of purchasing FS traffic if the only advantage is slightly improved models. I was under the impression that FS traffic had better control over departing and arriving traffic. If this is not the case then staying with FSLTL seems the more logical option. I might be tempted however if the price drops or FS traffic somehow can achieve live traffic.

[@fingerhorn4]

The HUGE advantage of using FSLTL injector over the Just Flight injector is that you can only do ONE flight with Just Traffic. Once you get to your destination you cannot start a new flight because on reaching the arrival airport Just Flight's injector will cease working, so you have to quit the sim and start MSFS over again. With FSLTL you can arrive at any airport then start a new flight. Just Flight cannot do this. I think it might also be possible to use FSLTL's better sounds by copying/replacing the FS Traffic sound folders, but I have yet to confirm this.

[@izaansyed7230]

6:45 refer to framerates as in percentages, only use absolute values when talking about frametimes

[@heinzpilot]

I think I will now but FS traffic to give this a try.

[@williamhudson8755]

This may get me to buy fs traffic

[@enriqueosuna]

What would be the best MSFS General Options>Traffic setting for a combined FSLTL & FS Traffic? Also, is there anything that needs to be done for the FS Traffic configuration page?

[@trevorcook5973]

Great vid really showing the subtle differences...personally I prefer FSLTL to utilize the FSTraffic aircraft...the added dirt and smoother lines win it for me. Just 1 infuriating issue/bug..no lights (actual lamps - not the illuminating effects) ...and what's even more annoying is every now and then, I see vids on youtube where the ops lights are working properly...would love to know how to get them working or what possible addon could be causing a conflict. Do your light emitters work on the ground or only once airborne?

[@briancrawley8440]

A little more evidence and I might just pick up FS Traffic.

[@air-ifenix]

thanks

[@vbt02]

I did see that FSTraffic doesn't include all models like cargo operators etc.Will these then be "populated" by FSTL or not?Curious to try this,but FTL is just so easy :)

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

Yes. So any missing will he filled by FSLTL models. Best of both worlds.

[@4godfodder]

All this is very confusing. I have FSFTL but half of the planes are white. I have turned on and off Live traffic in Data and Traffic and still have flights that are white. How can I see VATSIM planes? How do I get get rid of the white planes? No one seems to be addressing VATSIM planes but I need to see them so if I’m instructed to taxi behind or follow traffic I need to see them.

[@streamer6646]

I think the sounds of the original FSLTL models are better. When taxiing, taking off, landing, etc.

[@JayPat8473]

So I think that when you do it this way by mixing the two mods it messed up the sound, because it sounded pretty bad as you say - but when I used FS traffic by itself, it sounded pretty damn good So I wonder if you need to uninstall the fsltl models and not have them sharing in the community folder

[@streamer6646]

@@JayPat8473 Hmm, good thought. Renaming the FSLTL Base folder might do the trick then.

[@JayPat8473]

@@streamer6646yea that's a good idea considering the filesize

[@streamer6646]

@@JayPat8473 Or unlink the folder with MSFS Addon Linker.

[@PatrickBijvoet]

Another question; I suppose you do not have to enter the destination airport anymore in the FS traffic menu in the sim?

[@joey68ify]

Followed your steps ,but only a handful of planes at Heathrow..

[@jip5873]

With the current cloud and low bandwidth issues going on i can't afford any traffic addon. So for me a comparison has to wait until this server-issue is solved.

[@johnc.4871]

Seems pricey for a slight change in the sim. All I see in videos about this is jets at park. What about the rest of the flight? Is their and improvement?

[@marcwalshe6305]

If ia am on Vatsim and i want all Vatsim traffic model mathcing what one is that FSLTL?

[@ashwath84]

Just got it...must say it is quite fps friendly...however i do not notice any heat blur or touchdown effects; am i missing something? I am using fstraffic's inbuilt injector!!!

[@supergazell7]

Hey brother, can you help me? These 2 addon I have, but both generate a conflict, the main objective is to generate traffic and that the ATC communicates with them, but it turns out that having them active, the voice of the ATC is lost (it is like it was deactivated, but reviewing the options are always active, worse on the flight, I only get the text when they communicate between tower and plane, The same thing happens to me. N I have more addon.

[@augustomartins9516]

Nice video as always. Thanks mate

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

No problem 👍

[@Cush1465]

Had numerous problems with FS Traffic ie very little or zero traffic ! Have tried changing settings and copying others online. Have gone back to installing FSTL and using the injector I can sometimes get it to work but not always. Very frustrating !! Reading a number of posts it seems Im not the only one having issues with FS Traffic but I also read there maybe an update in a week or so.

[@Kreemerz]

Curious about how many ga aircraft are injected by fstraffic

[@PatrickBijvoet]

I have a question. I deinstalled FSLTL when I bought FS Traffic. When I now reinstall it, do I also have to install the basemodels, or can I leave it and only install te traffic injector? Update: I only reinstalled the injector, not the basemodels. So it has to choose for the FS Traffic models. And it works perfectly. Thank you so much Easyjetsimpilot

[@Klaas_H]

Just wondering whether someone can tell me if you can actually see aircraft taxiing and flying when you use FSLTL in MSFS 2020. So far I have only seen airplanes parked at an airport.

[@ag_a3346]

Thnak you so much for another great video. Can you confirm if you are provided with Cargo liveries sich a FedEx,DHL,UPs etc... with FS Traffic or FSLTL??

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

Cargo models will Come from FSLTL.

It is indeed a bit better if you use FS Traffic models with FSLTL but only a few FPS. FS Traffic alone has still way more(!) FPS and much more aircrafts. Another hint: after I disabled FS Traffic injector, I wasnt able to activate it again (the switch in the traffic center didnt work) so I had to reinstall FS Traffic. 😒

[@Wheels91hockey]

Just a heads up. FSLTL now serves as a fallback for when fs traffic doesn’t have a model or airline I believe

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

That is essentially what this video is all about 👍

[@Wheels91hockey]

@@Easyjetsimpilot ya. I wanna make sure if fs traffic doesn’t put in a 767. Because they don’t have it. FSLTL will. Or an airline that they forgot. That stuff

[@wheels_up2579]

For a paid product, I wish they had the model variation AIG (a free product, as we all know) has.

[@UCvgE7UJhuUOUehxNmfJ]

Hey man, what’s your specs? I’m looking to upgrading to a 5800x3d to try get some better performance with live traffic

[@jmp9035]

The big gripe of Fsltl is the constant swapping in and swapping out aircraft models and liveries on the fly and parked at a gate. It's really jarring and totally destroys immersion when the aircraft parked next to you has swapped in and out about 5 times by the time you've pushed back. You don't get this with the fstraffic injector.

[@aloper5]

So, having purchased FS Traffic and already been using FSTL, I went ahead and did this. Setup FSTL to use the FS Traffic models. As a test, loaded up the Fenix a320, at KLAX (Inibuilds), which is already pretty frame heavy...With using FSTL only, I was getting about 22-24fps...Once I enabled FSTL to use the FS Traffic models, I'm getting 29 to 31fps. So about a gain of 6-8fps. Doesn't sound like a lot but it makes heavy airports like KLAX more enjoyable, with a lot less stutters...Is it worth the $40 US investment? Not sure...Depends on how well your system is running MSFS now, and how much of a hit you are willing to take on FPS, by using any of these traffic add-ons...

[@enriqueosuna]

What would be the best MSFS General Options>Traffic setting for a combined FSLTL & FS Traffic? Also, is there anything that needs to be done for the FS Traffic configuration page?

[@aloper5]

@@enriqueosuna They both recommend in FS to disable aircraft traffic type to off, ground aircraft density to off. If you will use the FSTL injector to inject FS Traffic, then you want to open the FS Traffic and disable it's injector as shown by Easyjetsimpilot in the video above.

[@enriqueosuna]

@@aloper5 thank you! Any thing in particular regarding the value of the sliders for the other parameters in General Options >Graphics?

[@ReviewsYou]

I bought FS Traffic but will continue using FSTL for the time being due to FS Traffic missing details such as 737's with different winglets + different liveries such as the old United, etc. I have hopes that FS Traffic will become less Vanilla, therefore I'm not asking for a refund yet.

[@PracticallyAviation]

Is it just me or does FSLTL have way better sounds?

[@trevorcook5973]

Also..what scenery is this at the beginning?

[@LuLeBe]

Anyone having experience with model selection? Does fstraffic have more/other aircraft/livery combinations than fsltl? I'm a bit bummed out that I get the vatsim warning of being unable to load the right aircraft so often with fsltl, way more often than before with AIG. So it's probably not just the fictional airlines like Alpaka etc.

[@AviadorLPA]

I've read many times in forums that FSLTL is a FPS eater and FS Traffic is ok with FPS

[@NabeelGames]

Sometimes those few FPS can matter a lot but don’t think it’s worth £26.

[@BruhBruh-mk5yg]

fr in my opinion £20 or even £15 would be a better pricing

[@NabeelGames]

@@BruhBruh-mk5yg I was thinking about £10-£15. Nothing more. Because in reality we’re only getting better optimisation.

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

They should sell the models seperately 😁

[@BruhBruh-mk5yg]

@@NabeelGames yeah that sounds better

[@NabeelGames]

@@Easyjetsimpilot not much left then Gav is there 😂

[@MrZX1409]

Also, what software program are you using for your frame rate counter?

[@darewell7776]

Developer mode in sim settings

[@martingreen7737]

Gavin, how do you get name tags to show for the injected traffic?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

I don't believe you can, it's only available for MSFS default live traffic.

[@lorosamp8022]

Ciao guys, I have a question: need I install all 4 files? (2 from fbw and 2 from Fstraffic). Thank you for your video, ciao!

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

Yes, correct

[@lorosamp8022]

@@Easyjetsimpilot thank you !

[@CockpitSimAviation]

does fstraffic use realistic Runways for departure and arrival that they use in real life?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

No, they are both restricted to listening and following default ATC.

[@CockpitSimAviation]

@@Easyjetsimpilot Thanks and can i use static aircraft from fstraffic with FSLTL injector ?

[@AdminVortex762]

Hey all. I'm new to MSFS and a little confused by all this. One of the biggest 'disappointments' for me while at an an airport is the bland generic aircraft skins - it kills immersion stone dead. I don't care for injecting live traffic (and I have a 7 year old system) but what I DO want is for the skins to be more real-world whether 'injected' or simply generated by MSFS itself. What's the best way to do this (which program, paid or free) without compromising my frame rates?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

You need a mod like fsltl to add real world liveries.

[@AdminVortex762]

@@Easyjetsimpilot Thanks, I went with FS Traffic - seems much better and realistic now. :)

[@AdminVortex762]

...but now I'm thinking that FSLTL will create more traffic as FS seems a little sparse... hmm...

[@manic_miner]

Aerosoft Simple Traffic will just replace the default textures with real world Airline textures, that's all it does.

[@AdminVortex762]

@@manic_miner Many thanks for your suggestion - I've been a happy FSLTL user (+ FS Traffic models as a fallback) for a while now though. :)

[@zephirusvideos]

I always try to fly online on IVAO but as we know, skies are not always full of life so, this is great BUT, is it possible to have these planes interact with the default ATC, with Pilot2ATC or even use them along with IVAO?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

FSLTL injected traffic communications with FSHud or default ATC.

[@zephirusvideos]

​​@@Easyjetsimpilot So my communications will take the others into account? Or is just like a chatter only?

[@JCLG]

Hello friend,is FSLTL Injector with FS Traffic models works with FSHUD? Thank you so much for your videos.

[@zephirusvideos]

@@JCLG I never tried FSHUD, there's also no trial. Is it any good? When not online, I would love to have a decent ATC and with the injector it would be great.

[@JCLG]

@@zephirusvideos Hello Friend, yes FSHUD make the job but if you are using IVAO or other ATC online, i think it's not the same immersion. For me, like i don't use ATC online FSUD is pretty good and more accurate than the default MSFS2020's ATC.

[@MrZX1409]

This is kinda off the subject, but how are you able to get the different views in MSFS, like the far away views, I can get the different default views but not like what you were showing?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

I use the drone camera

[@MrZX1409]

@@Easyjetsimpilot drone camera, is that part of msfs or a add on?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

@@MrZX1409 it's part of MSFS. Press the INSERT key I think it is, on your keyboard, then move with WASD RF and the numeric keypad.

[@MrZX1409]

@Easyjetsimpilot what is the WASD Rf? and all, so what software are you using for your fps counter?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

@@MrZX1409 they are the letters on your keyboard 😁

[@duanebuck5515]

Are you using AI Ground and AIFlow to manage traffic?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

No as I don't usually use live traffic as I'm on VATSIM.

[@freekmulder7767]

When I switch off live traffic in msfs options, I do not see any incoming/departing aircraft, even after 5 min. Help me to find my blind spot

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

Have you got the injector running in the background?

[@freekmulder7767]

@@Easyjetsimpilot Yes,I have the injector running in the background, it puts aircraft all over the airport (EGLL), but no incomming and departing aircraft

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

You do have to wait 10 mins or so for the skies to populate, and ensure you have the correct setting set in the injector.

[@freekmulder7767]

@@Easyjetsimpilot You are really great, I'm gonna try it with the settings according to what I saw in your video Many thanks in advance and I'll keep you informed (If you do not mind) Best regards from a retired Dutchman, living in France. Freek Mulder (PH-FGM)

[@freekmulder7767]

It works!!!! Many thanks!

[@crazydoc0812]

This is making me more tempted to purchase FS Traffic so I have the choice of live traffic with FSLTL or being able to offset the sim time and still have traffic in my sim (I often only have time to fly in the evening IRL). If I have FSLTL, FS Traffic, and AIG (yes, I know, a lot of disk space for models), will AIG fill in the gaps for models that neither FSLTL or FS Traffic have?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

AIG models cannot as far as I'm aware, be used to FSLTL Traffic injector. But can be used for VATSIM.

[@russgaffneyflightsim]

Does FSLTL bring in any GA Traffic?

[@budguy21]

yes, you can set it to add VFR traffic

[@johnhowarth6156]

Having problems with fs traffic, at EGCC no traffic is injecting, but spawned at EGPH and there is plenty of aircraft don't know what's going on there

[@tigerpawdesigns]

Strange... I had lots of traffic spawn at EGCC with my fs traffic

[@ny2minican696]

i just wasted 40 dollars on that thing TSLTL IS MUCHO BETTER

[@Homework_777]

FSTraffic is this real *Live* traffic?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

No.