REAL WORLD | KTM 1390 Super Duke R + BMW M 1000 R

[@ryancox3834]

"We should have asked her what she prefers" 😂 the little gems that make 44 teeth what it is.

[@vtzb8681]

"obviously anal" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@gregdi8730]

I love everything you guys put out, from BBB to bike reviews and everything between. but something about you just bantering and putting around town with no real planned topics is always so enjoyable to watch.

[@billyskoda6839]

I've just spent a week in Belgium and Germany. I couldn't agree more with your comments about the collapse of this country. It was pure hedonism driving on roads in the first world for a change, where police forces oddly prioritise crime over speeding... and councils don't allow potholes to exist.

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

Once you travel you realise that Britain is used by rich people to avoid taxes and to secure their wealth. They don't care about the roads or anything else because they just hop in a private jet and go to nicely run countries.

[@dg8062]

Well, don't move to the US then. Talk about the collapse of a country!

[@Cartsp70]

I had the Speed Triple 1200 Rs a few months back and yeah amazing bike but a total and complete utter waste of a bike in the Uk 😢pointless

[@Cartsp70]

Below 70 it’s fine above 70 you’re fucked by the speed limit and the wind 💨 both ways you’re basically fucked!😂

[@billyskoda6839]

@paulcartwright7228 many german roads as you will probably be aware don't have pesky speed limits. You're treated as an adult to decide what's appropriate in the circumstances...

[@mustdriveslower]

Speed Awareness Course, I too said speed doesn't kill and was attacked for it. I asked the presenter if he had gone abroad on holiday and he said he had, on a plane? Yes he said. Well why aren't you dead cos that sucker is doing 600 mph. The laughter went on for a full minute. He had a quiet "word" with me at the break. Any more of that an you will be off the course and get a conviction and points. My friend who was also on the course told me to "play the game" "it is all about money and control" He is right. Bad driving kills not speed itself. It is also dangerous being gobby - that could cost ya points!

[@Poorlybobsdad]

Spot on, they should focus on driving standards. Most people are looking at their phones when driving FFS.

[@harryjackson8116]

"Your not allowed to drink drive anymore" 😂 made my day

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

There's a politician in Ireland trying to make it legal to drink drive locally if you live in the countryside. Some pub owners have bought minibuses to pick up customers and drop them home at closing.

[@JohnSmith-cb6qx]

This is the reason I choose to live in a city and not the burbs. Love drinkin too much, and 1/3rd of rider deaths involve booze.

[@CraigOC1482]

​​@@Google_Does_Evil_Now Healy-Rae for president. Absolutely right for people in rural Ireland to have their pints and drive home they've done it for decades. It's people who drive around recklessly drunk that cause accidents not the man who leaves the pub and goes straight home nice and easy point a to point b

[@TroggyPK]

so budget bike battle is quite possibly one of the best series you guys have ever put out, looking at this, would you guys ever consider a NON budget bike battle?? o.0

[@PrinceAndrewFucksKids]

Knowing these three they could have a BBC Bike battle competition, just because it's BBC haha

[@TroggyPK]

@@PrinceAndrewFucksKids man im sure alot of us would pay to go to a cinema to watch a good BBC

[@FortyFourTeeth]

Absolutely, yes

[@DamnItCarl-]

That’s a good shout!!! Still, season one is my fave.

[@bazitube390]

BBB Was much more fun when they did it with capable bikes (BBB italia or benidorm) now it's more of a circle jerk with the boys. I wish they went back to the old format.

[@msmary11]

Clicked for the banter, stayed for the placenta.

[@Turbinepilot]

Great Video. I still think Aprilia with the RSV4 was the game changer back in the day. V4 Gigi helping develop the bike. It was and still is unreal. 😊

[@Flo_rian_A]

I'm incredibly happy to have bought the 1390 SDR EVO. The running in phase was already amazing and now I can finally open it up (shortly). It's incredible on twisty mountain roads here in Switzerland

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Where you get huge fines for going 1kph over the speed limit?l?😂

[@Flo_rian_A]

@@Showmetheevidence- German border with unlimited highways is near, and some remote mountain passes don't have any speed cameras or cops around, if you go both ways, checking it out before returning, you can open up to 2kph over the limit!

[@tsarnevits]

@@Flo_rian_A :D

[@SAMFICOM]

Let us know when it starts falling apart

[@CurtisBrandt]

@@SAMFICOM He'll probably lose his license before the bike fails. Shouldn't take long!

[@nickrider5220]

A very realistic test in the 6 months of the year with crappy roads ! Thanks to Vines for helping 44T 🍻😎

[@myuserbloodyname]

I live in SW London right now and Newlands Corner has been my go to when I have an hour or so for a quick spin. So utterly depressing that it's now average speeded, it not only means you can't push on but also that you're constantly looking down to make sure your speed doesn't creep over 40 so you can't actually enjoy the roads at all. Fun.

[@mhsrichie]

We need more of you 2 just on rides together

[@GTLB302]

And boothy!

[@charlier6566]

“You look cool too!” Ah man, you guys are funny. You remind me of me and my pals goofing. Love the content. Bikes, pals, and laughs.

[@davetalton6939]

Watching your child being born is like watching your favourite pub burn down…

[@flamintasty]

Yeah, but at least you can ask the midwife to put an extra couple of stitches in it for later on, for your pleasure.

[@paulhope3401]

​@flamintasty I asked for a few extra stitches and they laughed at me like I was joking... 😢

[@lalalagirl2925]

@@paulhope3401Haha same 😂

[@flamintasty]

The new Super Duke is like the pub munter. First of all, you and your mates are pointing at it and saying look how wide that is. But later on when you’re riding it, you don’t notice how wide it is.

[@tomriley_bike]

🤣

[@Alic_R1]

No way mr Forest Fumbler Fagan tells you to meet in a forest

[@lewissanter2760]

Out the "vag or sunroof" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dg8062]

For about $ 8k-$9k US dollars you can still find great, low mileage '18-21 mt10's over here. I found my '18 a couple of summers back, 1k mi on it and I got it for $9400. The guy hated the gas mileage. I put a Yoshimura 3/4 decat system on it and had the ecu flashed accordingly. You've got yourself a 150whp machine that brings a 💩 eating grin every time you ride it. Aside from 23-25mpg, there's NO better bang for the buck. Put a comfort seat on it and it's all day long comfortable. The only problem is, you have to stop every hundred miles for gas😅🤣.

[@LifebyDesign]

That's some crazy rich fueling or what?? My sdr does much better, I'm kinda surprised

[@Filthy_Goblin_44]

Still rather pay a bit more for a superduke than any MT. Those are for types that want more affordable stuff and if that's you then cool. But I prefer the best of the best.

[@kingGar27]

On the topic of road rules 20:20, why not have a two-tiered licence system like “Standard” and “Advanced”. If you’re Advanced you can drive at any speed on national roads and motorways, but you can lose the advanced accreditation by doing silly or illegal things and are then demoted for 1 year. Additionally, insurers would likely offer lower premiums for Advanced drivers/riders. Or maybe be mandated to do so. Obviously it would require additional training, which is where drivers/riders are thought common sense driving skills, like use your accelerator when entering a fast moving motorway; right most lanes are for overtaking only; position yourself extreme right if taking a right turn to allow traffic flow on your left; accelerate when overtaking and reduce acceleration/speed when being overtaken; be ready when lights turn green (minimal gaps); day time running lights are NOT a replacement for headlights at night; if taking the next exit off the motorway get in lane on time (not last minute thereby holding everyone else up); advanced understanding of blind spots and use of mirrors; acceleration sense (accelerate away from hazards and let off the accelerator sooner to buy time to weigh up scenarios); and so on!!

[@djharmful]

"Welcome to the gaper" 🤣 Excellent video as always guys much love and double deckers

[@benrideout9583]

Super naked mega test should be good! These two, the street fighter, tuono v4, triumph 1200 and maybe the MT10 SP??

[@CurtisBrandt]

Just took a look at the new EVO at my dealer yesterday. There are indeed quite a lot of updates, to say nothing of the improvements in electronics and third gen electronic suspension. What a bike!

[@gunfod]

What model Arai helmet is the Baron wearing? Probably been asked a million times so apologies.

[@vagueWhelk]

I was just thinking the decals on the Bimmer look pretty cool when Chris started slagging them off 😂 I might be a chav though

[@FortyFourTeeth]

😂

[@GTiR23]

I am a chav and I think they look shit, so maybe that's not the reason.

[@acethedisturbed]

I like the black one!

[@alexerioeduardo2844]

This vid highlights perfectly the problem with fast bikes on UK roads nowadays. Twenty grand?! Total waste of money unfortunately.

[@TheValbunnys]

I fully agree extremely espensive bikes for those sht roads . 😎 where I live in the north east of England we have amazing roads where I enjoy my 2023 superduke R fully upgraded .1h north on a68 and I am in Scotland . 1 hour west and I am The Lake District. 1h30m south I am in the Yorkshire dales . 1h20m sout east coast I am in Yorkshire moors just love to live in the TOON .

[@kwakithailand]

Luckily, not all blokes live in the 🇬🇧 😁

[@davesnowpros6785]

The absolute state of the roads in the uk

[@Icem4n84]

Yeah I agree. I have a Superduke and was seriously considering swapping to a supermoto just to jump potholes!

[@HMoyn215]

You should try Ireland There are better roads in Siberia . The only saving grace is that we can't afford average speed / noise Cameras only the odd van or cop

[@elvin4732]

Try Italy and change idea for GB road

[@kugangles9860]

For the street definitely the big Twin. Can't beat that torque.

[@Peskarik]

for the German unlimited Autobahn, maybe, the rest of the time, if you are legal, you max at 65mph and barely touch 5000 rpm

[@poonchild]

@@Peskarikbore off.

[@elvin4732]

I have test ride with KTM 1390 superduke R. I continuos to prefer my S1000R 2016. Love 4 cilinders, love my great S1k exhaust stock sound, love my bike handling

[@TROdesigns]

"Ugh you're not allowed to drunk drive anymore..." Hahaha

[@berwynluxe2751]

Great laugh as these two amazing stars do what they do best! But we need more of your big trips?! Morocco? Lisbon? Loved this video!

[@Braselton21]

Just a good ol classic 44Teeth video :D

[@markholmes5695]

Average speed zones are far better than speed vans. As long as you know where the first and last camera are. Go the speed limit or lower into first camera. Then you can go whatever speed you want and pull over for a minute or two before hitting the second camera 🤷‍♂️ average speed will be fine. I’ve heard 😅

[@apexslider1]

I love the front of the KTM, for real. Pumped for the group test. Finally on one of the bikes that will be included!

[@WillParish]

Vines Guildford and the 2nd gen RR takes me back to when they serviced my bike and forgot to reconnect the indicators 👍🏻 nearly died rejoining the A3 after a car nearly wiped me out 😣 never had a BMW since 😔

[@northernlefty5412]

The super duke has always been one of my favorite bikes, especially with that wide band power of a twin. This year i finally reached the point where i can buy an expensive bike, but i was totally seduced by the m1000r competition. Picking it up in 2 weeks. Hope i made the right choice!

[@LifebyDesign]

Update?

[@northernlefty5412]

@LifebyDesign No regrets with the M1000R, especially with KTM and Pierer Mobility in free fall financially. The BMW does it all. Smooth, easy power, totally refined when you want it to be, and a total monster when you flog it. The flat spots in second and third gear suck for us in north America, but I'm going to BT Tune it next year. Zero regrets with the bike so far. Zero oil consumption or other issues as well. The competition model also looks utterly amazing in person. Only thing is I wish I had the RR.

[@northernlefty5412]

I will say, the only thing I notice is a bit of wobble in the front end, consistent with what other people report. It comes on around 230km/h or up. Tightened the dampener and solved about 90 percent of it.

[@mr_svy]

whom would you recommend going for 1390 rather than a m1000r?

[@ADSCoachSimonB2112]

I love what you guys produce but will have to call you out on these bike, way out of the affordable range of the common person. People are trading in big cars and bikes for small units. The 400 cc out selling everything. If you want a ninja 400 RR you have a 2-3 month wait now

[@martinpoll1040]

My dad used to teach advanced driving to the police, they always said, "Speed doesn't kill, it's the stopping at the end of it." All that speed does is increase the risk of injury, it doesn't stop accidents. The only thing that will prevent accidents is better driving.

[@roavrgroup4914]

Elstead Mill! That brings back some memories… I also set a tractor on fire on that road 😂

[@BaronVonGrumble]

😂

[@alpinab14]

Why does no one ever talk about reliability ? Its becoming more and more important in peoples buying decisions, if companies are not called out on it then they will just continue to produce utter shite that customers end up suffering with

[@mariobanks115]

You guys are the absolute best! I love every video you do. Thanks so much

[@dannyperfect9270]

Thanks

[@stevencox3637]

Love your work guys.. I think I’ll be buying the 1390

[@noworkdave]

You guys are smashing it! Please keep the content coming. Really appreciate it.

[@grantbensley4953]

Hey that’s my old area too being an Aldershot boy, I used to rag my bikes around those lanes too. Namely my Rd, TDR, FZR, NC30, TL’S, etc. Then I moved to Canada in 2000. There’s no good corners in Ontario really at least not close to me, so a 2005 Bandit 1200s now with Scorpion can and Ohlins rear. Good enough for the few decent corners I can find and easy maintenance and cheap to run and insure. Insurance is crazy here in Ontario when half the year you can’t ride due to snow and freezing rain, not to mention well into the minus temps. Haven’t even got the bike on road this year yet as it just about gets warm enough to melt all the snow on the road and then we get a freak snowstorm that buggers it all up again.

[@clashcityrocker2051]

Is the 1390 worth the extra financial kicking I will get over my 1290 gen 3 ?

[@philipbassett5129]

How the F@&K did people let Surrey County council get away with lowering every 60 limit in the entire north of the county to 40 or less. Absolutely f#&king ridiculous. Makes a complete mockery of speed limits. Why are we as road users, so f&£king supine and put up with this nonsense? It’s about time we started saying NO, it’s NOT OK. We’re not going to just lie down and take it.😡😡😡

[@GoProChicken]

My 22 S1000R was very stiff in Dynamic also. Road Mode for the suspension was very soft. I wish you guys would have put the suspension in Road Mode.

[@vishalprajapati8840]

You guys are such a good laugh. You are best at this stuff

[@wiskunst]

I’m hoping for a KTM V4 superbike that blows us all away like the s1000rr did in 2010. Own a 1290 superduke R gen 3 myself as a daily. Had to look long and hard to get the right suspension setup but ones dialed in it’s even a great GT bike

[@juicer404]

What suspension mods did u do?

[@wiskunst]

@@juicer404not mods just setup. Start with putting your forks an extra mark through the tripple clamps (lowering the front of the bike) and lower high speed compression to half a turn

[@Amac1825]

Id be happy with either. Excessive service on the bmws over the years and poor dealer network made me leave the brand

[@einzelganger0]

In what universe is KTM’s better lol

[@ionutalexandruradu9873]

Not this one, I can assure you. :))@@einzelganger0

[@louiebsides]

Cracked me up about how hard bmw was but kept in pro whole time 😂😂😂. Fort fagan was gonna put in dynamic remember you liked it the best on video before 😂. Loved this video 💙👊🏼

[@bingoberra18]

For that driving might aswell have been on a Duke 390 or a Triumph Speed 400.

[@cuzimaluzer777]

I love this community SO MUCH. ❤️

[@clashcityrocker2051]

With your summary of the “KTM being the one to ride to Jerez and the BMW the one for track” . I guess if you only had one to take it would be the KTM. A sacrifice of a few tenths is better than walking like you got Rodgers by a bull!!

[@donphobos]

When you are on the motorway and shift down to 1st gear and still have some rev range to play with. What a mental bike that is..... :-O

[@Alphamikeleeper]

Just ordered the super duke evo after going for a ride out on a demo, what a hilarious road machine! re. Touch screens, Indian have had them for a few years now on the Ftr1200 carbon model. They even work with normal gloves!

[@bendavies6775]

How do the ergonomics of these two compare with the Tuono?

[@_audacerider3838]

Well I loved the "seeped venting" part of the video 😂 as for bikes I would still go for the Aprilia Tuono 1100 Factory just because it sounds epic!! And you can get really good discounts on them!

[@clashcityrocker2051]

….. but it will break down before you get it home!!! Mine genuinely did every day for the week I owned it and then took it back to Colchester. I got a superduke instead.. all good and now on 10k

[@billstanden]

The one thing that would make the M1000R that little bit nicer on the road would be an option to set the Road, Dynamic and Race DDC suspension settings to Race Pro modes. It’s so stiff because in Race Pro you don’t have any of the dynamic adjustment, just electronically adjustable static settings.

[@philipjames3526]

I'd look forward to a 1390 Vs 990 on the 'b roads of Britain' -

[@mr1982davies]

hahaha this made my day the best pov on youtube the road rage on the speed limits classic

[@ninja12lawbreaker]

I used to have an S1000r and loved it, it was like an R1 with motocross handlebars. Then I got a Gen 2 SDR best bike I've ever had, never gonna sell it

[@3h0xr0]

“ oh , speed camera.. F offff ! “. 😂😂😂

[@austinkidd-smith]

Any plans for next BBB? Would love to see some supersports or perhaps 400s

[@joaosoares3719]

Which bike? An MT-09 SP. It's everything these 2 aren't: reliable, a lot more engaging in the real world (you can twist the throttle for more than 2 seconds) and a lot less cumbersome in city traffic (lighter and less hot). In sh¡thole countries it's also substantially less likely to be stolen. YT channels like this one are entertaining, but never mistake them for advice.

[@stephenpettitt5765]

Super bikes and Placenta’s… who’d have thought the education 44 provide!

[@I2YANx]

Fagon and Baron vids always the best

[@alexandernoble8447]

Great banter guys..👊

[@UKVansRV4]

First comparison of these two bikes - well done. Great review

[@ragnarironspear1791]

I do like those Super Dukes 🤩

[@KB-fw8qg]

Personally with the state the roads are these days I wouldn’t go for either sadly … that beemer looks like a fun track day bike though

[@JMeyer-qj1pv]

Keep the KTM 1390 videos coming, I'm lovin it! But you shouldn't feel like you have to keep your language so clean next time

[@markwilson_sa]

What an incredibly nostalgic drive through my old stomping ground of Guildford that was!...

[@elithegreat6463]

20:13 "An LED Vagazel" LOLOLOL)))

[@markhughes2155]

I can't wait for the 44 teeth 2024 Fireblade road test review 😁

[@englishelectric]

I also grew up in that area. A little further up the hill. Yes, lots of fun. No speed camera yet, which is something.

[@waltermcinnis]

Chris's ideal, the limit being whatever isn't dangerous, is the law in Texas. The Transp. code S 545.351: "MAXIMUM SPEED REQUIREMENT. . . . a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances then existing." There are posted limits but those are only "prima facie" evidence subject to contrary evidence of the specific circumstances.

[@faceedgewoodworking]

I'd happily give Texas a look. Sounds like a very common sense approach.

[@scozza7150]

Been 44th teeth we put it straight into race pro. PMSL, love it ✊

[@nomading_in]

Those bright KTM lights... they're great, but I do constantly get flashed by oncoming cars who think I have my main beam on.

[@davog1946]

Obviously an-al really got me 👌🏻😂

[@rickeco4tango33]

Always good testing, I live in Seattle the weather is about the same!

[@donphobos]

Is the brake reservoir lid properly tight on the KTM? Looks like moving on its own. Please check.

[@timothy9596]

My 2022 Indian FTR has a touch screen and you don't have to wear any special glove for it to work. If Indian can do it, any manufacturer can. It's a matter of choice at this point and those manufacturers are choosing not to.

[@armandoloureiro7158]

I laughed the whole way through. And by the sound of things it’s the ktm for me. Torque , and road comfort.

[@jonasbaine3538]

Seriously want 1390 GT.

[@dantakleberryhart1989]

Apologies but what Comms are you boys using & any buying advice? Cheers Dan

[@evanjohn503]

people always say that about the 2010 BMW but the, and as you've got a 2007/8 GSXR, reality doesn't back it up. The BMW had 193bhp and a dry weight of 183kg and the GSXR had 185bhp and a dry weight of 179kg, so what would you choose ? 8bhp more or 4kilos lighter? I suppose the new electronics on the BMW made the difference.

[@andrewmorgan81]

Riding on roads in my old manor - very enjoyable watch!

[@arturobugaoan5615]

Was great to follow your route, I ride around Albury, newlands corner, shere, it’s lovely. 😊

[@SrJunkie-hf3zb]

On the Bmw Did you have the suspension in road? Or did I miss that Also having the throttle set to maximum torque is fun

[@8alakai8]

10:10 is wy have a naked for the street keeps me from going to fast i have 2015 stock mt 07

[@10secondsrule]

What a depressing state of affairs riding on U.K. roads now is. There is no point of buying anything above 300-400cc (and probably rightly so). Saying that slow bikes are more fun for most of the time. The best fun I had was on the monster s2r 800 (apart from its odd low gear ratios). Every faster bike I got after was either boring or stressful for loosing either life or license.

[@dantakleberryhart1989]

Top top Video lads ! Lovin the Tilford Massif lol 😆 live local to Frensham myself & ditto love these roads / routes but my god the huge trench potholes are just ridiculous! Ex Rodbourgh Pupil here ! You ? Hope to see you on the local roads sometime. Dan

[@harryinmotion]

Heated Grips swung the pendulum in the right direction on that cold day

[@donphobos]

It is 2nd of April in Southern (!) Sweden and it has started to snow again.....

[@tsarnevits]

Forecast is -13 C for tonight in Finland. Will be a month or more before I can go get my bike out.

[@HeyAddieImTojo]

Det är så jävla segt. Var sol och 12 grader för mig i söndags. Minus hela veckan hittills efter det…

[@defjam213]

Love all your videos and just listening to the 2 of you gents talk bikes. I've also had enough of staring at those sexy ass RST gloves, I need to find a way to get myself some over here in Canada!

[@thesunchaser.]

Have a Gen 3, SD, and it's a very reliable bike, hasn't skipped a beat!!

[@FortyFourTeeth]

You only ever hear the bad shit

[@eriklarsson3528]

That lc8 engine is bulletproof

[@JanSonnemann]

​@@eriklarsson3528Just leaking oil an coolant😂

[@ionutalexandruradu9873]

You wouldn't hear the bad stuff if KTM was really supportive when issues occurred (any bike can have issues, no matter the brand). They kept my brand 2022 SAS almost one year in service until the fixed it. After the 3rd failed intervention (and less than 1500 miles on the clock) I asked for a new bike or at least extended warranty. Bot KTM and dealership ignored my calls/emails and unfortunately the laws in my country did not support my cause at all. I would have continued buying KTMs, if KTM would just support me, but I don't have the nerves to risk it again on another bike from this company.@@FortyFourTeeth

[@ionutalexandruradu9873]

​ @user-rh1zg6bc1n And electronic issues and bad flywheels and clutch leaking and pulling right or left issues and wobbling issues.... or was I that unlucky ??

[@bella_testastretta]

I wish I can put KTM's performance in a different looking bike. I'm one of those that cannot get used to their looks even after almost a decade of riding. That being said, 1290 duke was one of the most fun bikes I've ridden. Excited to see what 1390 has to offer.

[@2Thumbs0402]

Had a 1290SDR but the ergos dont suit my short stature, so sold that on. I'd go for a Tuono next personally. If i wanted an inline-four I'd go Japanese and save some money.

[@Dispariabooks]

I have used my 150cc scooter as a work truck for years buy hauling and carrying just about anything and everything lol. I'm thinking that if I get the super duke, I could legit tow things with all that torque. I can imagine pulling up to a track day where my race bike is on a trailer and I'm using a super Duke to tow the trailer

[@mikey_bb]

What I really don't like on the 1390 is that KTM have put those combined rear indicator/brake lights on it, which I already hate on the BMW 😭

[@dankorolyk5917]

Great real world test guys

[@AMPJ08]

Liked this thanks. One thing missed is a real test of the suspension settings of the KTM because it can become sportier.