How did a Man Join the Knights Templar?

[@gobanito]

I would imagine a lot of Templar Knights and Crusader knights in general were second born or third born sons who by reasons of primogeniture could not inherit their father's title and estate. So it was either enter one of the monastic orders and become a monk join the priesthood, or seek their fortunes out on crusade in the Holy Land where they joined one of the military monastic orders like the Templars, Hospitalers, and the Teutonic Order.

[@grahammonk6122]

Try not to imagine too hard you'll get a headache.

[@Osvath97]

Lots of them became household knights or some kind of free lancer instead. Just because you were not inheriting did not by any means mean that you would join the clergy.

[@elvenkind6072]

A lot of them was the first son, very wealthy, both with riches and land, but gave everything away for Christ.

[@baronedipiemonte3990]

In the Kingdom of Sardinia (predecessor state to Kingdom of Italy et seq) sons of the blood who were "secondo, terzo, ... l'ultimo genitori" inherited a lesser title i.e. the second son of the Marchese di Siena (Marquis) would be "name" Nobile' del Marchese di Siena. And the male who is l'ultimo genitori (last born) who remains or returns to care for his aged/ill parents gets the family home/entitled to remain in perpetuity.

[@Junkitup]

Your a Darwinian fool

[@markbrowne181]

Even at 45, I'd love to join the Knights Templar.

[@aloysiusjoseph4363]

Same here mate

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

Pushing 50, but same here!

[@TonyBraun]

..and what?.....murder women and children for God..

[@andreek8559]

If you have experience in the army, law enforcement, first responders you'd probably be fine, otherwise keep dreaming.

[@jessemills3845]

Join Free& Accepted Masons

[@gunner678]

You were primarily joining a Holy order or religious order, that happened to be military.

[@joemarshall786]

Correct

[@johannfarmann8649]

This is one of my favorite channels, on you tube. Your website is also quite excellent. Thank you, sir.

[@thomasbrown8917]

Just as there were mounted sergeants in civilian medieval forces, the Templars also had these, in addition to sergeant infantry. Sergeants in the cavalry were less heavily armed, used as scouts, charged not in the initial wave, but typically came in the second wave to hit the enemy that had been disrupted by the knight's charge and then screen while the knights reformed for a second charge. Many sergeant brothers were non-combatants and were often referred to as the "craftsman brothers". These were blacksmiths, carpenters, stable hands, etc. These brothers might take the field with the army, but unlike the regulars, could "withdraw if they felt unable to withstand the enemy." Also, interestingly, the Order in the Holy Land, usually included Turcopliers, which were light cavalry, in the Saracen style. I recommend Templar Incorporated and Templar Organization by Bruno as an interesting examination of the organizational structure.

[@sylviagreinkt4276]

You are interesting. I enjoy the education.

[@exterminans]

Turcopoles*

[@Thor-Orion]

Stone masons. Have you seen their architecture? It’s some of the best of the era. It’s my contention that the Knights Templar included architects/stone masons from the jump, look at how many giant defensive structures the Templars built throughout the crusader states.

[@MaximusAugustusOrthodox]

Knight Templars are legends💪

[@stephenh9483]

The Knights Templar were a bunch of people you did NOT want to mess with

[@Junkitup]

Only you

[@DerSchleier]

@@LudwinV The evil French King so heavy in debt... to those very same Templars he eventually had abolished? It must be good to be the King...

[@LiveinPeace1-u6f]

@@DerSchleierhe didn’t abolish them most of them left the country with their riches the ones that he killed was the ones who sacrificed themselves to give their brothers time to escape most of them knew the French king was coming for them look up Timothy hogan a grand master Templar there is heaps of interviews on KZbin he tells a great deal of their history

[@josephcyboran7691]

Is there a video on the average day of one of the knights Templar? I want to know what the Knights Templar did from morning to night!

[@SteelWolf13]

9 hours of prayer. So they did their leg work with all that up and down kneeling.

[@KarmaKraftttt]

@Joel Juan Who are you to mock the soldiers of Christ? You fooking heretic!!!

[@mr.blister4856]

Since they were a monastic order, they prayed most of the time, and did not talk unless necessary. And if they weren't praying they were working, doing charity, and fighting

[@jonsimpson9640]

Another brilliant and informative video, keep up the good work!

[@alexsanderrain2980]

"The idea of somebody who was initially from a lower class kind of working their way up through the winning of booty" ~ RealCrusadesHistory ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@xmaniac99]

Mankind is indeed motivated by booty, this one historical truth that will never change.

[@jessemills3845]

It was a time, much different than today. Like in India, still uses the "Cast" system. If you are born of a certain cast, that is where you stay. That means, like if your parents are working class, even if you hot the lottery, society will make sure that you stay at the social working level.

[@jessemills3845]

Templers are the ones that CREATED the Modern Banking System.

[@deltanovember1672]

jesse mills *caste

[@twoods7253]

Its by working through Secrvice, Sacrifice, Discipline, Determination, Obedience, Compassion and Holiness that Knighthood and office is achieved. Its not about wealth or plunder in today's order.

[@benjaminmyers5139]

Like going through a background check and polygraph for a security clearance. None of it ever changes in the end. I wish it was still a thing.

[@twoods7253]

Ben, To the Templars of today, its the mind and spirit that count. Can you dedicate your life to the Christ? Can you live in service to the Creator YHWH? Come and join the OSMTJ if you can answer yes to these questions.

[@patrickanderson260]

@@twoods7253 I would like to join!

[@TheChewy4]

It is➕

[@neilgoloy3582]

This is a topic of great interest, and you apparently know your subject matter well. This video is quite impressive I must say. Well done!

[@sarahrhodes7856]

Being a Christian we fight for GOD and the truth every day

[@jerryhoward8553]

Thank you for your time, and teachings 👍

[@judekidner4961]

What's the name of the song in the beginning intro? I like the guitar 🎸style.

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

"Agnes" by Roman Lion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2HWYZJtoquBbqM

[@aaronupton4584]

Love the videos! Have to crank them up to 1.5x the speed tho lol

[@rgill6231]

HAHA same here

[@cryptoporticusnocturnicus711]

I'm very impressed with your presentation and it is surprising accurate. Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam !

[@antoinelambert938]

I read exactly that in a book about a week or 2 ago, but now how you say it I have this image of Templar version of Gary Gygax repeating His famous quote of : are you sure you want to do this?

[@geoffreysworthington8643]

Ha ha the creator of original ad&d and DD koodos

[@micomarinas2753]

can a businessman or rich people allow to join the knights templar? im from the philippines and im a lay person serving in a catholic charismatic community.

[@nihilistic7840]

To give perspective to the role of peasantry in war, I'm told it was in 1363 that the first law was made in England enforcing archery practice for all men on Sundays. I guess it must be possible that this was the informal practice earlier than that.

[@farazanjum9707]

I really want to be a templar these are my iconic heros , love from Pakistan

[@andreas3850]

you understand they were sworn enemies of the muslims

[@farazanjum9707]

@@andreas3850 they were much more than you think

[@andreas3850]

@@farazanjum9707 still comprised of catholic christians to defend against the muslims

[@farazanjum9707]

@@andreas3850 i don't think defending yourself is wrong.

[@pealopao3160]

@Felicito Maiaif I'm not mistaken Christianity in Pakistan is around 3.2 million Christians in 2017.

[@artaxerxeseh30]

I love jesus

[@twoods7253]

He loves you too brother.

[@seanmilligan17]

Join osmtj! Your comment makes you seem like you would be a great member of our holy order

[@alexken3112]

What was the knights templar training like?

[@meatybtz]

It should be noted that in the Germanic States you could be ennobled. Usually in result of some service to the King. My own family history is one such ennobling though the act that gained the title is lost to time and history. Such "raised" families were required to annotate that on their Heraldry. There were marks to show such things in the heraldic system.

[@suzipam1234]

Where can I sign up?

[@K.A1993]

Keep it up 🙏

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

Thank you, I will

[@paddythepotato420]

A must visit is Roslynn in Scotland.

[@simonpeter5032]

Has a noble ever sent his father or some other very old family member to the Templar’s as a kind of nursing home service? (A noble who’s too important to be denied such a request ofc.)

[@richardlionerheart1945]

Never heard of someone sending their grandfather to templars plenty send their sons though

[@77cuti]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@matthewct8167]

A little like the French Foreign Legion.

[@MrEvanfriend]

Except for the fact that the Templars were considered highly trained and disciplined troops, whereas the Foreign Legion is essentially a number of competing ethnic/linguistic prison gangs who are wearing the same clothes and have guns, yeah, it's a little like that. And the massive fuckup at Hattin was similar in strategic stupidity to the massive fuckup at Dien Bien Phu I suppose.

[@jimmychong3209]

The Foreign legion ARE disciplined and well trained.

[@andreek8559]

Parle vous Française?

[@jessemills3845]

Not quite. More priest Hood with the willingness to "fight" for the Lord (God)

[@thomasbrown8917]

The hallmark tradition of the legion is "no questions asked". This was the opposite...

[@deltanovember1672]

Excellent film. Thanks for this.

[@boahkeinbockmehr]

So how big was the loss of face if one didn't get admission? Where the candidates really free to object and not join the order, or would that have marked them as social outcasts?

[@daytonasixty-eight1354]

I'm guessing since they had a trial period there was no loss of face if you decided to drop out. It was a life long commitment so if you weren't up for that, dropping out was encouraged.

[@M29WeaselDriver]

Is there any good information in clothing and geer that they used? I'm thinking about putting together a historical living history impression of them

[@eblackburn8457]

For that you'll want to go to a channel called Knyght Errant. He does a lot of in-depth discussions of medieval armor and clothes.

[@Jelly_Juice2006]

It depends on what century you’re trying depict. The armor of the Templar’s changed over their almost 200 years of existence

[@M29WeaselDriver]

@@Jelly_Juice2006 I’m thinking late 1200s to early 1300s

[@jonsinclair7210]

Great content.

[@manny75586]

I love that Psalm 133 (132) was part of the induction ceremony. Very fitting. Ecce quam bonum et quam jucundum habitare fratres in unum

[@pedrorezende6444]

Very interesting video. I think I'm gonna translate it to Portuguese.

[@johnalbino1957]

Yeah...and mentioned that D. Afonso Henriques (1st. King of Portugal) was the most famous Knight Templar.

[@jimbobhk2009]

Thanks! Hoping to join up soon.

[@toddjenest3212]

That are a number of groups out there to this day.

[@MrEvanfriend]

My understanding is that no matter your social class, the Templars did not make any knights. If you wanted to be a knight within the order, you had to already be a belted knight before joining. Also, I understand that people, specifically married men, could join the Templars for a set period of years as opposed to for life, with some caveats.

[@twoods7253]

Not true today.

[@doylekitchen9795]

@@twoods7253 No Templars today.

[@jturtle5318]

Some of my ancestors did. Or, joined after having children. The wife would be a nun.

[@josephsternberg9962]

Well done!!!

[@ItsNotaCult420]

I very much doubt they gained such notoriety without drilling and sparring when they could. Background was undoubtedly important but skills will be lost without practice

[@theolewell7535]

was there no probation period ? is that what you say about discernment ? 9:34 there is a postulant word.

[@alejandrodecesare5929]

The part I didn't get...they didn't trained peasants...so how the heck did they form the units, the coordination for military maneuvers, etc?...

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

They did train peasants, the peasants could be infantry. You mostly had to be a noble to be knight, though.

[@alejandrodecesare5929]

@@RealCrusadesHistory I guess like the church...sort of...monks and priests coming from wealthy families got privileges..better posts, higher hierarchy, more options for rising through the ranks...

[@pablodee9024]

Mr. Roberts, is there a way I can listen to these talks without being on KZbin, eg can I download them somewhere else or maybe you could consider uploading them onto amazon audible? I am a driver and I’d like to be able to listen to these talks offline somehow on my iPhone

[@michaelwills1926]

Very cool presentation my friend.

[@erok562]

Thank you for this information

[@premiumbackgroundmusic]

Just found your channel, awesome stuff, I've been binge watching it for a day now. Curious, were there any orthodox christians that participated in the Crusades? I suppose so because of Byzantium empire's territories. Could an orthodox christian join the templars?

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

Thanks so much! And yes, Eastern Christians did participate in some crusader armies (especially Armenians).

[@marlo8456]

@@RealCrusadesHistory what was the general Christian denomination(s) that was involved in the crusades?

[@doylekitchen9795]

@@marlo8456 Armenian Apostolic, Eastern Orthodox and Syriac were the main Christian sects in the Holy Land at that time. They became turcopoles or foot soldiers with the Armenians also providing Knights from Cilicia.

[@marlo8456]

@@doylekitchen9795 thanks! By "Eastern Orthodox" - does that include the now Oriental Orthodox churches or just the current Eastern Orthodox churches?

[@doylekitchen9795]

@@marlo8456 This is from Helena Schrader's new book The Holy Land in the Era of the Crusades. They were Orthodox, Melkites Arabic speaking Eastern Orthodox), Armenians, Jacobites and Maronites (from the Syrian Orthodox Church) with smaller communities of Coptic, Georgians, Nestorians and Ethiopians.

[@billya3509]

were did Switzerland come from

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

Billy A - From just north of the Italian Alps.

[@Nemesis-jh6wq]

What's the name of the song at the start of the video? Please

[@dpr6516]

Do they still do their ressurection ritual?

[@doylekitchen9795]

The Templars no longer exist. They were disbanded in 1312. Anything you hear to the contrary is rubbish.

[@Privat3Kag3]

If i didn't know any better, I'd swear this was a 40K Lore video for the Black Templars...

[@reuelmosheben-yehuda3764]

Can you re-enact the rituals?

[@troywaldo]

You have to be a Master Mason then you can go to York right that's where you can be a knights Templar

[@Hopeofmen]

@@troywaldo The Masons aren't the Knights Templar.

[@donalddenison8896]

Peasant equals Farmer! Trades people, Craftsmen, Religious, all had their roles there were particularly proscribed methods for becoming a member of any guild Tradsman/Tradesmen/women Artists etc. But the word Peasant equaled the word farmer. There was little mobility between classes and trades. There were some wealthy and independent Peasants but most were subjects of a liege lord. A fairly rigid structure that occasionally allowed movement up or down. More common was movement "sideways" as in a peasant becoming an ordinary foot soldier, artisan, monk, A Guilds person, fisher man Sailor, pilot etc, but as the Middle Ages evolved, social position was for all means and purposes very rigid, requiring extraordinary actions or skills that would cause or permit the advance in social class.. One such family were given prestige and honors and advanced in the Warrior/Cavalier class in recognition and thanks for the pathfinder showing the way under cover of darkness and avoiding the eyes of the enemy marking the direction necessary of the Army using a cows head as an indicator of the correct direction to take under cover of darkness. This man was given honors and favors from his liege lord and also given the right to the Name of Cabeza de Vaca in perpetuity. Except for recognition of extraordinary services rendered, there was very little vertical advancement, horizontal movement was much more common in those days. It was relatively common for a Peasant to become an Artisan, a merchant, a pilot, a cartographer or other skilled vocation. More commonly, one was born into a given class and lived and died in the situation he was born into. There were exceptions, but it required a Liege Lord to recognize and facilitate any vertical movement.

[@edwardlecore141]

Few things are more interesting than this, nice work.

[@kleomenis456]

Amen. God delivers.

[@suckafreezek]

When did they start using the term brother for warrior monks/ the order members?

[@albertedwards3803]

They use the term brother because they are soldiers of Christ fighting for the same cause, you must be true to the cause.I don't know when they started using the term I only know why.

[@tyler-josephhodges5166]

God bless you.

[@justinhorodeck6799]

I have found my calling

[@sylviagreinkt4276]

............and you thought you were lost, but you weren't really, follow your heart.

[@twoods7253]

Check out the OSMTJ. I personally invite you to apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@randyboudreault975]

My line of thinking, is that if the templar were an army of god, then if that is the case, all is fine. But they will need great craftsman to supply and/ support the cause, so why is this aspect not scrutinized? No army on the earth has ever survived without logistics. I am a Catholic and sometimes i get confused as to why some of these vids seem to glorify warriors and the real people behind-the-scenes are ignored. They are the people that have to carry on after the fact!

[@daytonasixty-eight1354]

Most of them did both. A Templar might be a smith one day or a carpenter, then when needed he would fight.

[@twoods7253]

The Templars were monastic and therfore served as knights, monks, armorers, enginers, farmers, cooks, guards, husbandrymen, any and all duties needed to keep the Order operating and the monastery forts functioning, especially when deployed to the Holy Land.

[@kingtony4514]

Dude please join our discord and tell us all this history as we base our self to the knights templar

[@skeitt98]

whats the link to the discord. because i would love to be a part of that

[@seanmilligan17]

@@skeitt98 join osmtj

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

The right people in the right Masonic Lodges mirror these beliefs, minus the social status part.

[@mike7652]

Except Masonic lodges are evil.

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

@@mike7652 Nah. Mostly just dumb people looking for a place to belong.

[@paulbarry5730]

enjoyed that thank you

[@lewisbrodnax4988]

Today there are 2 type's of Knights, Knights of the Bath-like Sir Issac Newton and Sir Paul McCartney; a civil Honor. Or the Knights of the Field(aka...the Cross) a duty of military service even now, such service is sworn to the Order itself , before God,to do your duty for life. Such an oath can be asked by a Brother of the Order who has witnessed the prospective man,or woman,comit and act of valor in honer on the field and can be done by that brother Knight. I now of 2 men honored to be Knighted twice by different Orders of the Cross.Sir Winston Churchill And President Eisenhower

[@sharonsmith6672]

What of the Brambant Knights of Belgium of the crusades?

[@garrettecolegrove30]

I'd join the Templars

[@space_gamer9146]

same

[@zoesdada8923]

I would join in a second.

[@nenabunena]

and be celibate? because you had to be pious, religious, a fighter, and celibate

[@TonyBraun]

...not even any wanking, Zoes

[@gon4455]

@@nenabunena believe you me! There is NO celibacy in there.

[@twoods7253]

Still can. I personally invite you to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@Rockcroc2000Rm1wE3erWmNfkL]

@@twoods7253 Shouldn't we use force if necessary?

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

21:50 I wonder if the cartel copies this, where they donate to the communities that let them exist there without issue.

[@TheJohnson861]

Nice one

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

I know the Templars’ REAL Secret. Great channel, BTW!

[@EFTTacticalDave]

Next how did man join the Teutonic Order please. I am half German after all.

[@TrueArcBaron]

Did any templar marry?

[@dashinvaine]

Templars couldn't marry, though in the early days there were provisions for married men joining as sort of honorary associates. Several nobles did so, including Henri of Champagne and Fulk of Anjou. After the abolition of the Order some Templars rejoined secular society and took wives, though the Church tried to prevent this as it still held these ex-Templars to their monastic vows. I believe there were also cases of married men becoming pensioners with the order, donating their land and being obliged to live apart from their wives. Some men also joined the Templars after becoming widowed. I believe one of the smaller Spanish military orders allowed married knights to join, but generally that was not permitted in monastic orders of any sort.

[@sylviagreinkt4276]

@@dashinvaine Well said, Thank You Sir.

[@filiusvivam4315]

It's time to join my brothers.

[@twoods7253]

I personally invite you to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@jamespowell_km_kchs]

Can you talk about the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem? We often get overlooked.

[@Luke_______]

Crusader version of john wick.... awesome

[@nickk5263]

So a Templar could not be married?

[@bratbrat8208]

You need to be CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC, not just christian- remember about that....

[@sylviagreinkt4276]

Hmmm..... Most are Catholic.

[@bratbrat8208]

@@sylviagreinkt4276 Whats Your point??

[@exterminans]

Catholics are not true Christians, they are arch heretics

[@user-mt5cm5xp2o]

TOMBCRUSHER 1185 yeah ok, your probably some shot head Protestant or born again “Christian”. Sorry the Catholic Church literally goes back 2000 years to Jesus when he told Peter to start the church. Keep being a follower to a fake Church, not the one Jesus himself created

[@twoods7253]

Not today. I personally invite you to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@kingslegion1]

outstanding as is normal.

[@jamestown8398]

Did a surf need permission from his Lord to join the Templars?

[@exterminans]

Serf*. And he would need to be emancipated beforehand since only free men were eligible.

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

Jamestown - Only if THE LORD first caused the sea 🌊 to swell into waves 🌊.

[@valianthaggis3655]

Noted

[@stirlingworden7607]

Sign me up...

[@twoods7253]

Stirling, check out the OSMTJ, I personally invite you apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods

[@100polished2]

T Woods osmtj what is that if you don’t mind me asking

[@yourrealdad8014]

Odo de st amand was the toughest grandmaster ever

[@Dead_Again1313]

Im Christian, Marine Infantry War Veteran. What are my chances? 🤞🎖️✝️✝️✝️✝️🛐🛐🇮🇪🇬🇬🇺🇲

[@Dead_Again1313]

Please answer this. I'm a dedicated man.

[@reginaldinoenchillada3513]

So, kinda like the nfl draft

[@Kevin-mw4oc]

May the Father of Understanding Guide Us.

[@commonman9782]

Isn't the father of understanding is Caesar in AC?

[@smallstar1200]

I’m honestly related to a major general of the first crusade.

[@kevbee8325]

I’m related to Simon Templar 😇

[@twoods7253]

Intersting, since there was no such rank at that time.

[@Arcticstar69]

They didnot join it, the templars joined a man....

[@abrahamjangindra3748]

Brothers

[@rexxarwatch9057]

Much similar to today's military. The French foreign legion comes to mind.

[@thomasmurphy6501]

Knights Templar...the poster children of the saying "If you owe me some money, that is your problem. If you owe me much money, that is my problem!"

[@twoonthewall]

Very like joining the french foreign legion today

[@SeanCStark]

Tell them about the "Burial Rite".

[@Konrad_Wallenrod]

I's much simpler today! You just signup online!!

[@twoods7253]

Knighthood, Sergeants and officers rank are not that easy. Check out the OSMTJ.

[@Akubra123]

🤣🤣🤣real crusades history !!! google and wikipedia, i didn´t know you can graduate there

[@slayerofmankind]

To be honest this is the way that the church describes it not the real way of how a noblemans way to honor is a much more difficult then what is stated and said truth of a crusaders creed is more like a character lifestyle while also being a moral code

[@slayerofmankind]

This the history of a slander propagandists point of view in truth they must do a things like show chivalrous acts of kindness even if it causes ona pain and suffering second they must endure extreme situations that can either kill a man or destroyed ones self 3rd they must know the code of what some may call honor respect and loyalty where they must always even when it's radical truth but must be pure truths and it must not causes others to kill and destroy life around ones self

[@slayerofmankind]

There are quite a few more that somewhat harsh but remains by the trinity of a nobleman

[@slayerofmankind]

There also a gentlemen's code too so just make sure before u jump you must know why u jump first before u do it

[@nihilistic7840]

This was exactly my question too.

[@YSDev]

peasant gang gang

[@jcastro3045]

Mr. Browne you can be a Knights Templar. You begin by being a mason. Then work up the degrees.

[@timf162]

JohnnyC Castro -that is not the real Templars. That is a Masonic organization. Just like the Masonic “Knights of Malta” aren’t the real Knights of Malta.

[@jcastro3045]

There is much research required but you will find the link. Knight Templars -> Masons / Knights Hospitalars -> Knights of Columbus.

[@Hopeofmen]

@@jcastro3045 The Knights of Columbus are a separate order. The real Knights of St. John (Malta) still exist. They're in the Vatican.

[@twoods7253]

Not true. I personally invite you to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@MandMsLife]

The Templars still exist have never really gone . The original order of knights Templars have priories in literally every western country . The Templars are currently preparing for big things in Europe .

[@sylviagreinkt4276]

..........and far be it that a woman would let you fellow know that the Knights still exist even today. Age is not a factor. To abide by the Templar's Code of Honor is the best of all men.

[@timf162]

Sylvia Grein KT there are several self-styled “Knights Templar” groups. None of them are real continuations of the Templars. Some claim they are, but no.

[@twoods7253]

Thank you Sylvia. I personally invite all to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.

[@yobo1152]

You can still join this

[@AB-gc3mr]

Where?

[@twoods7253]

Absolutely. I personally invite you to check out the OSMTJ and apply, Knight Grand Commandant Woods.