The Problem with the Next Moon Mission

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References
[1] NASA Mission To Study Mysterious Lunar Twilight Rays science.nasa.gov/science-news...
[2] The Apollo experience lessons learned for constellation lunar dust management www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/TP-2006-...
[3] Self-cleaning spacesuits for future planetary missions using carbon nanotube technology www.sciencedirect.com/science...
[4] 2015 NASA Technology Roadmaps www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/home...
[5] Lunar Dust Effects on Spacesuit Systems - Insights from the Apollo Spacesuits www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/strate...
[6] NASA Big Idea - 2021 Challenge bigidea.nianet.org/2021-chall...
[7] Electrodynamic Dust Shield for Space Applications ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/2...
[8] Spacesuit Integrated Carbon Nanotube Dust Removal System - A Scaled Prototype ttu-ir.tdl.org/bitstream/hand...
[9] Safety considerations for SPIcDER - Spacesuit integrated carbon nanotube dust ejection/removal system www.sciencedirect.com/science...
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[@GarrySax]

I worked on further developments of the SPIcER system, mainly exploring ways to prevent dielectric breakdown between electrodes at higher voltages, and am very familiar with the materials science aspects of the tech. AMA! Also, I'm amazed and super happy to see a video on the subject on this great channel, even more so well informed and presented :) Congrats and cheers!

[@DakkarFezboul]

Are similar solutions used on solar panels on Earth?

[@workingguy6666]

Thank you for commenting, it helps trust the presenter and channel.

[@kaleb5926]

@@DakkarFezboul likely not yet is my guess

[@Juanixtec]

Ok! First of all. How porous is the material? is enough to produce problems of the type of "bubbles of vacuum" concentrating the electric fields inside the dielectric material? if so. how did you modelled that? How it affected the dielectric properties of the material? and how it affected it's durability? I know transformers and switches can get damaged pretty quickly once those electric fields get concentrated in bubbles but I don't know if vacuum does the same as Air (although it should since it's permittivity is almost the same). thank you!

[@billmadison2032]

NASA scrapped the whole thing they're going to rent the space suits from now on

[@MatthewPogi-md7oq]

“ I hate dust, its coarse, and rough, and it gets everywhere.” - NASA probably

[@jomes4137]

Underrated comment

[@danilom3166]

Maanikin Campos’ last words

[@jamescrossland2599]

Anakin Skywalker to Padme.......Except he said, 'sand' instead of 'dust'- "Star Wars' Episode II: Attack of the Clones'" 🙃

[@jamescrossland2599]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKWvl2SAhJqVrKc Your Welcome 🤗🥰

[@WilsonFox123]

I can't wait for unedited footage from mutiple different cameras pointing at each other in 4k60fps, 1080p30fps or at least 480p in and out with the right design of course. In the up coming years. 😉 Level Earth.

[@julienceaser4018]

I love the astronauts instinctively trying to blow dust off the equipment

[@techypriest7523]

Space Where duck tape is king

[@MuantanamoMobile]

They had pressurized air to use for this purpose. This didn't work since the dust particles were charged and stuck to the surfaces of their equipment.

[@ollllj]

@@techypriest7523 the lunar rover was "duckt taped" a lot

[@xEvilRaptorx]

its so funny when humans can't do their natural instinct, because of the constraints temporarily placed upon them.

[@Thefreakyfreek]

I have done it so times but whit my phone wile watching machining video on my phone

[@DavidEsp1]

Apollo astronauts would only have seen sunrise & sunset from lunar orbit. Those on the surface were constantly in daylight. A lunar day is about a month - the time it takes for the moon to orbit the Earth, coupled with the fact that the moon rotates at the same rate, thereby always showing (roughly) the same "face" to the Earth (due to tidal locking of its "solid" - but stretchy at that kind of scale - composition). All the surface missions occurred during the moon's 2-week (by Earth standards) daytime. The "days" of these missions were likewise only by Earth standards.

[@Llew70]

It was Apollo 8, which only was in orbit, that saw this and reported it. That's stated in the video. You are right on about the length of day for the moon and the need to stay in that window. The temp difference alone ruled out messing that up.

[@kreynusr4242]

"Yeah I fell down" I love it.

[@rjung_ch]

He also said 'Sorry'. Guess he was happy nothing worse happened.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

He didn't fall! He greated the moon with his face!

[@rexmann1984]

And then trying to "blow" the dust off. 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@jtgd]

@@samsonsoturian6013 he grabbed the moon dust with his hands and praised the safe transit!

[@el.blanco8961]

@@samsonsoturian6013 he didn't fall, he was lowered by strings! 🤓

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Soldiers in the Iraq War also had problems with dust. Iraq's desert sands are as old as the Earth and are ground extremely fine. The slightest wind kicks them up, it's coarse, and it gets everywhere. Even inside air field control tents, computers were found to overheat as the sand somehow managed to get in. Soldiers said they had to clear rifles everyday regardless if they used them because there would always be sand. It'd get in your shoes, inside your pants, and so on and so forth.

[@MelGibsonFan]

Yeah, we learned the hard way. Got ambushed in the beginning of our deployment and every mounted weapon we had (240’s and 50 cals) started jamming. Not a pleasant experience.

[@darnit1944]

*Heavy Anakin breathings*

[@user-kx4xs2xd3k]

@@MelGibsonFan but that mutch better when you have air superiority, but fuck up if no air superiority

[@Argie87]

@@dsdy1205 CODE SHLONG! REPEAT CODE SHLONG!

[@skyscall]

@@dsdy1205 That does NOT sound fun

[@burpple9218]

Love the conversations they have lmao “I just tried to blow off the dust”

[@MrJdsenior]

They spent most of their time clowning around, even when they were doing work. I guarantee there were some hearts doing flops back on Earth when they saw that happen. A large rip in that suit and you are in some deep doo doo.

[@marcleblanc3602]

Very strange, brushing off makes more sense, military Officers men on expensive life risking Missions, could of sabotaged these missions with deaths.

[@jackbotman]

Carbon must be the most overachieving atom out there

[@kakashi_senpai042]

Great job on this Engineering project! You have shown true dedication and commitment to your craft. Impressive work!

[@1funsun1]

"Engineers said the moon rocks were too volatile to experiment on. Tested on 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed 'em into a gel. And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." -- Cave Johnson (J.K. Simmons), Portal 2

[@WilsonFox123]

I can't wait for unedited footage from mutiple different cameras pointing at each other in 4k60fps, 1080p30fps or at least 480p in and out with the right design of course. In the up coming years. 😉 Level Earth.

[@thisaccounthasbeensuspended]

@@WilsonFox123 Except you will claim it's all CGI regardless. Globe earth.

[@WilsonFox123]

@@thisaccounthasbeensuspended How can you fake unedited footage from mutiple different cameras angles pointing at each other in decent quality offline?

[@thisaccounthasbeensuspended]

@@WilsonFox123 you will find an excuse anyway

[@WilsonFox123]

@@thisaccounthasbeensuspended I mean it's gonna be pretty hard to fake that with the unedited raw footage with mutiple different cameras pointing at each other though. This raw footage will never happen because it would completely destroy the illusion and expose the magic trick. The power of editing.

[@fakshen1973]

If you were to have any permanent or long term (more than a few days) presence on the moon, you'd also need "clean rooms" that have no other feature but to ATTRACT dust particles. Think of that room as a pre-airlock when entering from the outside. Keeping dust out of the airlock and the crew areas would be critical. So, yes, (anti) dust chambers would become a definite thing.

[@Joe-Dead]

thought the same, a dust lock then an airlock and suit storage. try to keep as much dust as possible out of the main areas.

[@tylergust8881]

I would've just thought to have suits similar to that of the martian plan. Just never let the spacesuits inside. The suits hook up to the outside of the station like a lego brick.

[@Joe-Dead]

@@tylergust8881 yeah, but they have to perform maintenance on the suits, so storage in the airlock after the dust lock would probably be easier for that maint.

[@Blaze6108]

The other option would be having space suits that you can enter through a hatch connected to the habitat, and are thus always outside without ever being brought in, except for repairs. Several new NASA designs work this way I think.

[@1995TheDude]

As well as constant air filtration within the habitat. Just like normal clean rooms

[@stoamnyfarms]

I never understood how they are so nonchalant about falling down when one little tear in your suit is a death sentence.

[@Tim22222]

Well, the suits were pretty tough & had many layers. But I heard the folks who made the suits had their hearts in their throats every time an astronaut took a tumble!

[@seekerofthemutablebalance5228]

Wasn't in the script

[@blackyboi2885]

thats because they were in a studio or some remote location on earth and they knew there were no real worries. like 250 degree heat, 208 degree minus cold and micro meteors etc.. entire farce was faked. how could that tin foil lander even have fuel to blast off the moons surface, blast back to earth and blast itself to a slow enough decent to NOT burn up in the atmosphere? let alone protect them as they came BACK thru the van allen belts??

[@beauhatman4395]

Spoiler alert: They weren't there.

[@AngryChineseWoman]

​@@beauhatman4395Plot twist: they were.

[@robinette64]

This reminds me of the time I accidentally stumbled into a Star Trek convention at a hotel I was staying in.

[@Markus_Andrew]

I highly recommend a little-known Arthur C. Clarke novel called "A Fall of Moondust". In it, Clarke postulated that if enough lunar dust (finer than talcum powder and with no moisture to make it clump) accumulated in a very large crater or basin, it could behave like a liquid, and anything solid dropped into it could sink - a fate which befalls the crew and passengers of a vehicle traveling over it just when a rare "moonquake" occurs. Even though the vehicle is designed to traverse this type of dust, it gets buried when the "quake" causes a cavity to form below the surface, and a race against time ensues to rescue to occupants. It's a brilliant "hard" sci-fi story and a suspenseful page-turner which would make an awesome movie, if said movie was faithful to the novel.

[@THE-X-Force]

Awesome. Definitely going to check this out. Thank you!

[@blsboom-ff1fq]

That is exactly where the whole pile of nonsense stems from - fiction. Didn’t you see the “astronaut”/“actor” fall in the first few seconds? None of that reduced “gravity”-nonsense to be observed there!

[@THE-X-Force]

@@blsboom-ff1fq Wait .. are you saying the moon landings were a hoax? I've never encountered one of you in the wild before. It's like finding a unicorn. Are you real?

[@elizabethdavidson6589]

@@blsboom-ff1fq Agree man biologically made for Earth only.

[@xenuno]

@@blsboom-ff1fq That any rational explanation is over your head doesn't help your search for the truth .. if you are interested in the truth that is ..

[@TheNameOfJesus]

This was an excellent video. But one important thing was overlooked. The dust INSIDE the craters at the Moon's south pole have NEVER been exposed to sunlight or, therefore, heat. Therefore the dust in that location should be completely different from other dust on the Moon. And this is where most people want to travel, in order to find water. NASA should land an unmanned probe in one of those craters and bring some of that dust back to Earth.

[@Simple_But_Expensive]

The dust repulsion system still leaves 4% behind. Add 1 more “sacrificial” layer in the form of disposable coveralls that go over the rest of the suit. Kind of like Tyvek coveralls. Put your carbon nanotubes in the coveralls. When they degrade too mich from the 4%, swap them out with a fresh set.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Nice idea, but I do believe the 4% was there because the dust was set before the system has been turned on.

[@smacdonald5142]

There are antistatic materials that could be used for some of the sensitive devices. But not sure how practical it is.

[@freedomm323]

I remember NASA talking about the Lunar dust being like micro sized razor blades or flint, that it got into everything, but I don't recall them saying it was this damn bad, I don't recall them showing the orbiting cloud of micro razors....no wonder we havn't gone back! As someone who worked in Construction for 4 decades, I know first hand how damaging very fine dust can be to equipment AND your lungs

[@snoolee7950]

I'd rather have a health care system than pay NASA the billions.

[@freedomm323]

@@snoolee7950 nasa doesn't get that much... In comparison to other government departments.. we could have put the 100 billion we gave Ukraine and the 93 billion in equipment we left in Afghanistan towards social programs....the LAST thing you want is government controlled healthcare...the federal government fucks everything up, if they were in charge of SAND we'd have a shortage, or a SAND crisis

[@freedomm323]

@@snoolee7950 we have cell phones bc of NASA, the list of shit we use everyday thanks to nasa development is a mile long

[@BMoser-bv6kn]

@@snoolee7950 Thankfully a functioning health care system wouldn't cost money, it would save it. The price gouging is insane. Was it double or ten times we spend, what real countries spend per person? Manchin's daughter getting to murder people for doses of insulin orders of magnitude pricier than the 20 bux they're supposed to cost is classic. We'd make the damn insulin ourselves like we do with many other drugs, but unfortunately I'm told the hardware required isn't civilian grade, it's industrial. With the trillions we'd save by switching though, yeah we could totally engineer a moon base or do other things. Those things probably wouldn't be getting people out of poverty though. Society decided to put those people into poverty in the first place, why would it ever want to let them out?

[@erichooligan9329]

@@snoolee7950 id rather we move forward as a species than provide for more useless people who just consume and complain about everything being something-ist.

[@mikeall7012]

I know it's not exactly the same but the dust in southern Afghanistan is similar in consistency to moon dust. It is like a powder. We had a hell of a time keeping the aircraft electronics clean, in our helicopters. We used to do 0 g maneuvers to get the dust out of the lower consol so it could very vacuumed. And the engines got ripped up very quickly. We were swapping them out every 2 weeks because the hot sections would get platted in glass. And the filters had to be changed out quite a bit too.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Imagine that, but around 100x worse....and if something gets too worn out you stop being able to breathe.

[@cumgoat]

I miss the Afghanistan moon dust. The weird suction in makes on your boots with every step

[@mikemarthaller8789]

After mt St Helen's we USAFR Rescue, found it necessary to do a compressor wash after every flight due to ash on our Hueys The Army fr Ft Lewis choose to stick with TO Recommend 100 hours wash They lost several engines , we had no troubles Experienced mechanics who were not afraid to deviate from regulations made the difference

[@knunyabeasewhacks8744]

@@dynamicworlds1 If the Helio quits running, the breathing don't quite matter.

[@TomoHawKzZ]

We repair gas turbines, but the heavier type used as generators, and ones that come from the middle east and africa where it's dry and sandy literally look like someone has shot them with buckshot inside sometimes, the wear is so bad.

[@pedroalmeida8683]

I love how their recordings from decades ago is clearer than ATC rádio in 2023 😂😂😂

[@kewlztertc5386]

Fantastic! Dust is often overlooked. I would've never given it a second thought, yet it's obviously a large equation of space, or any planet and moon.

[@BeachLookingGuy]

It’s fantastic that out of all the problems we face here on earth, top priority is dealing with dust on the moon

[@kewlztertc5386]

@@BeachLookingGuy i felt it was fantastic to learn something. To have something so obvious brought to my attention as I and countless others romanticize space travel. It's a new equation in our escapism, in our fiction. Very few here will actually leave the earth, nor is it something for the masses to seriously contemplate. But there's enough people on this planet, that a very small percentage can focus on non-tellurian problems.

[@dan725]

The part of the charged dust blew my mind. I’ve never even considered that possibility. This is why I’m subscribed to your channel and devour anything you upload. You’re truly a gift to the internet. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video!

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[@jayh9529]

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[@theharshtruthoutthere]

@@jayh9529 agree 100%

[@Yora21]

It's also why space exploration takes longer than expected. "To boldly encounter problems that no one has encountered before."

[@harrywalker968]

wateer is pos & neg..everything is electrically charged..nikola tesla.. history..not mainstream wanders..

[@echtervogel]

I keep being amazed by the realism of the Expanse series of novels.

[@tomam258]

Best sci fi show/books ever

[@VoidExistence]

@Don't read profile photo Ok.

[@El_Presidente_5337]

@Don't read profile photo I won't do the second part. But I will report you for spam =)

[@Legio__X]

@Don't read profile photo you: don’t read my name. Me: *reads*…. Wait a sec..

[@WanderingYankee]

@@El_Presidente_5337 Same. Every time I see it. Wait, he's making me spam YT.

[@JohnEboyee]

This reaffirms my theory that only housekeepers can land, then live on the moon.

[@mahmoudalyudeen1736]

Cave Johnson: "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill."

[@bingus5692]

I honestly laughed pretty hard at the astronauts reaction to himself trying to blow off the dust lol

[@KillerKojak]

And me when i'm listen this reality..:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3q0kHmajpecrtE

[@hindesite]

yeah, was quite funny. Shoulda cracked open the visor.

[@Roach_Dogg_JR]

Honestly I’m surprised that the suit was comfortable enough that they forgot they were wearing it

[@bootburner4544]

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[@harrisonkarn2078]

@@hindesite I would've done that without thinking if I was in the same situation

[@LloydWaldo]

This is low key a huge reason why a mars mission is also extremely risky. The silica fines on the surface would absolutely destroy the lungs of the explorers, tracked into their habitats via the airlocks, and getting into their lungs making micro-cuts and killing them.

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

exactly the reason why I say that we have no business talking about sending people to Mars when we haven't even conquered the moon yet. If we don't even know how to keep people alive on the moon for a month, how do we expect them to stay alive for the (at least a) year they'll be stuck on the Martian surface?

[@kevinpye3140]

Just like what's happening on earth with the weather enhancement program

[@Mikael-jt1hk]

Micro- cuts aint gonna kill anything.. hell, you can live with half a lung 🤦

[@14yeartwitch14]

I think that can chemically be solved, at least by some decent chemical engineers/scientists. On top of P100 filter cartridges, as long as they can incapsulate particles within 3-5 feet of the "astronaut", which they may be able to do with deionization/ionization in a particular area before ever exploring it, they should be fine. Even after OSHA updated their guidelines, measures and restrictions regarding this, I was surprised that they made the allowable "limit" to be per an 8 hr shift. I thought they would have cut exposures to a half shift, at least for crystalline silica. But, for any space agency, there's a ton more for them to worry about before that. Like how to get through the Van Allen radiation belts.

[@ChirstInTheDistance]

​@@Mikael-jt1hkYou want humanity to build a habitat on the moon that badly, huh. Astronaut: I think one of my lungs just collapsed. You: Walk it off, we got a moon to colonize.

[@millax-ev6yz]

Very informative and terrifically illustrative video. Thank you

[@carrotylemons1190]

While this is amazing, with 96% efficiency wouldn't there eventually still be a very big lung problem from dust accumulating over time inside a habitat or capsule?

[@ehtuanK]

Most of the dust is brought into the capsule by sticking to the suit. Also the 96% refer to the dust that was already on the suit, and perhaps this could also be used to repel the dust before it even lands on the suit.

[@krybling]

since there is less gravity of course

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

Inside the habitat occupants have access to air and water for cleaning.

[@Zebra_M]

There would very likely be additional measures - like (possibly) air locks to prevent too much of that 4% dust from moving further into the habitat, air filters, crew wearing masks, and limits to how long an individual is allowed to remain on the moon to prevent extreme exposure.

[@thomashiggins9320]

You'd have to keep the dust out of the habitats, that's for sure. One way they're looking at that is to hang the suits outside of the areas with life-support, and have the astronauts climb into them through the back, from inside the habitat. The suit, itself, never actually goes into the habitat, which should minimize the quantity of dust that makes it to the areas where people might breathe it. I'd presume that, at some point, they'll build a cleaning and refurbishment facility at any lunar base, as well. I'm not sure what that would look like, though, because I don't know how space-suits get cleaned, now. Now, there's a future growth industry. A dry-cleaning service with franchise opportunities at every space station or planetary colony. 😁

[@zakiducky]

I just wanted to say that the animation quality when showing how the dust repulsion system worked was _really_ impressive. The dust particle and gradient arrows looked really good.

[@Seth-Fire]

This entire video is very well put together It’s impressive

[@TheMintox]

Is your helmet on too tight?

[@heroinfathr]

@@TheMintox what?

[@EVA-UNIT-13]

@@TheMintox ?

[@pintdinkler7521]

You mean the animation on the original moon landing ?

[@dbrown2264]

In Iraq we'd often encounter what we'd call moon dust. Big patches of ultra-fine powdered sand/dirt that was so fine it almost behaved like a fluid. It would envelope your boots, tires or tracks and resist their withdrawal, like thick mud despite the dust being totally dry. Although it was a nuisance and could damage sensitive equipment, it was not insurmountable. I think the technology does or will exist that will allow astronauts or any moon-based humans to overcome it. Interesting video nonetheless.

[@ArKritz84]

Calling it moon dust doesn't make it directly comparable to moon dust, though. The combination of being extremely fine and extremely sharp/abrasive is really quite challenging.

[@NowInAus]

I’ve always imagined that the psychological effect of dust on long missions would be debilitating. It would be unavoidable and get everywhere. Clean freaks would lose it.

[@brianalanreed5766]

"They must never touch the moon. It's where not to build your nuclear silver spoon. And not in space. This is not a race nor a debate. You'd aim nukes from there just as you already do demanding everything for the rich and once you have all that you require you'll build a great space station with your new fusion reactor made from the converging of high powered lasers on one point. And you will use it to fuze the atmosphere so you can freeze the oceans and ocean life. Then they'll mine the earth to the core and move the frozen life to the moon and build your Dyson Sphere around the sun destroying at least another world. And if you reach a habitat planet you'll do the same thing claiming your way is the only civilized way just like you have since 1492. Changing the contours of the moon itself disrupts the reflective moonlight causing the conditions of a permanent eclipse where everyone has to look up and see what you've defaced. Even a footprint is a blight that's not very bright. No you must never go there. You're the Death Star. It's what you are. Now go far. You can go to Mars and never return. That world is calling out for your help. It can use your smell. Why can't you tell? You're causing the earths magnetic field to fail with every nuclear experiment and drilling to the core. Some say this all already happened on Mars. A world destroyed more than one time."

[@Michaelonyoutub]

As another reminder for those people who think spending money on space exploration is a waste, think about what other applications this kind of stuff can have. A lot of research is looking into how to deal with dust particles in new inventive ways to overcome this tough problem, and dust is a problem in almost all aspects of human life. While it might not specifically have many applications on your own everyday life at home, in industries, especially manufacturing or any kind of processing/refining industry, dust is a huge problem clunking up machines, getting in the way of the quality of the product, and sometimes the dust itself itself is valuable if you are extracting it out of a bunch of other stuff or if it is waste material you can recycle so losing it is a waste of money. Things like air conditioners, computer cooling setups, and other air moving systems might also find a lot of useful innovations come out of this which help them deal with dust in the air, helping them do their job better and improve air quality. This stuff could have huge benefits for our economy and improve our quality of life whether this tech gets to space or not.

[@TwitchyTopHat1]

Also the resources like helium

[@leandersearle5094]

Just one problem: the people that think space exploration is a waste almost certainly aren't watching videos like this.

[@faithismespeaks6848]

@@leandersearle5094 Not true, many of us watch so we know what kind of disinformation is being used. I doubt anyone is to conCERNed about dust particles when you have people openly bombing and blasting everything to dust in useless wars like Ukraine currently. I can guarantee you that most people here will be wiped out due to starvation long before any science fiction projects get completed. This moon nonsense is just a distraction, the constant geo engineering is the most pressing conCERN at the moment. No one will be thinking of any moon landings when the entire ecological system here will be totally wiped out by 2025. I hate to burst your bubble but no one is going anywhere, people can't even get along here. Even if you did go somewhere else, if the exact same group of A holes are in charge what would be different. Nothing would be different, it would still be a bunch of ego maniacs trying to control everything and everyone while wasting unlimited funds and helping very few.

[@shauryadawra13]

@@leandersearle5094 some facts right here.

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Never once thought it was a waste of money.

[@1_random_commenter]

This also explains NASA's decision to "rent" spacesuits from third parties rather than developing their own, in-house. Telling companies "we'll give you this much money, and in return you must provide us with working space suits" is a perfect way to offload the decision-making process of how to deal with the countless number of issues that lunar dust will cause.

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Worked getting americans back into space from our own country. So why not.

[@haidengeary8277]

The US government, any agency within, are absolute SHIT with finances. Whether they send troops over to murder children, or go to space, they will always waste money.

[@KunuMcGruder]

Pretty sure NASA hasn't developed anything. NASA provided the smartest scientists, doctors, physicist, biologists, etc, etc...for their missions. As far as equipment used and provided, came from the most reputable and advanced producers of the time. For example...Rockwell designed and manufactured the space shuttle (Rockwell also manufactured/designed the SR71, the F117, and various other stealth tech currently. ) JPL (and others) designed satelites, ILC Dover, Axiom Space, Collins Aerospace, etc...played large rolls of the "suits" the astronauts relied on. The "third parties" that NASA used were among the best in the world. Just saying.

[@fransschepens3]

Its all fake. They already travel through the universe

[@berniv7375]

@@TheCaptainSplatter Astronauts are putting their lives at risk. They deserve the best minds working on the best equipment. One of the failures of NASA is outsourcing. As a vegan I believe we should all concentrate our minds on saving our planet before it is too late. This should take precedence over space exploration.🌱

[@jimw1615]

Elegant is the correct description to apply to this moon dust issue.

[@casbyness]

"In 2032, during the seventeeth moon mission of the 21st century, astronaut Vince Neeson pranked his EVA partner Jacob Calhoun by reversing the polarity of the latter's spacesuit nanotubes. Captain Calhoun spent two hours trapped inside a solid sphere of accumulating lunar dust until his more sympathetic colleagues were able to roll him inside NASA's moonbase clean room and disperse the collected particles."

[@mihailmilev9909]

Omfg I just realized what this said last time I was very sleepy and tired lmfaooo

[@magnetmountain33]

How on Earth can you possibly stand listening to this bullshit knowing that Kennedy even got shot in the head over this shit

[@heybacchus6899]

I don't get it.

[@casbyness]

@@heybacchus6899 Yeah well your kids will love it.

[@palmeristo]

You ok?

[@sumans7620]

Moon Dust; The Secret Ingredient to Portals, and One of the Biggest Hurdle to Artemis landing on The Moon.

[@harrytsang1501]

Ground up moon rocks are pure poison.

[@Bananappleboy]

Aperture Science Cave johnson here, now I know you guys sunk alot of money into the new generation Apert-Suit™, but I'm here to tell you, We're banging rocks together. Cave Johnson, we're done here.

[@DoktorBeta]

@tst ccnt it's a reference to the video game called Portal 2. the surfaces that you can open portals on are made of moon dust.

[@clffeingold]

Fantastic work. Learned a ton. Thank you.

[@marcv2648]

Well the whole video is full of nonsense. Velostat has been in use for 50 years.

[@artyfuffkin7805]

Those space suits were bulky , the LEM crew area was small , it took 3+ hours to suit the astronauts up getting everything correct at NASA with 3 employees on 1 guy.

[@ArKritz84]

Did it, though? Or did it take just over an hour, with most of that being testing procedures?

[@artyfuffkin7805]

@ArKritz84 ever had 2 chest Xrays in a day ? Your beat that night ,it's 2x 1/20th of a sec.,need 3/8" of lead to stop it the moon has no magnospere or atmosphere to absorb space radiation

[@ArKritz84]

@@artyfuffkin7805 no, not all radiation is like putting a gerbil in a microwave oven.

[@a.p.2356]

I'm glad you started this with some footage of John Young and Charlie Duke chatting on the moon. Those dudes were easily my favorite pair of jabronies on the moon; they were cracking jokes and screwing around the whole time they were up there, all the while getting some really good science done. Notable highlights from Apollo 16 included John Young complaining on an accidental hot mic that all the citrus fruit the guys at NASA were making them eat was giving him the farts, and Charlie Duke jokingly threatening to beat up Apollo 16 field geology coordinator Bill Muehlberger when he got back to Earth if he fell into a crater while picking up the big stupid rock Bill wanted him to grab (the rock today known as "Big Muley"). Young also had earlier gotten himself into trouble with the House of Representatives' appropriations committee because he'd smuggled a corned beef sandwich into space on Gemini 3, which he shared with Gus Grissom. He was also the guy who worked out the square peg in a round hole solution which saved Apollo 13. Duke was the guy who famously replied to Neil Armstrong's transmission that Apollo 11 had landed with "roger,Tranquility, we copy you on the ground. You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot." Of all the missions to the moon, Apollo 16 would have been the most fun to be a fly on the wall during.

[@sickboy8682]

Shame it's all BS and they never landed on the moon though, huh.

[@paulward4268]

The only thing thats BS is Your asinine comment Mr SB. 😁😁

[@paulward4268]

@John Doe Yep Absolutely right - we do. And I'm a boomer who Knows what he is talking about. Thankfully I don't have the plastic mind of a Millennial.

[@paulward4268]

@John Doe Yes. Just as I thought. And no - I don't comment on George Bush - or his version of events regarding 9-11.....because I'm Not American. 😁

[@paulward4268]

@John DoeThe matters I comment upon are My choice, and mine alone. If you're implying that having American nationality is a prerequisite for discussion on Project Apollo, then you are Very Seriously mistaken. Being of different nationality does not prevent me from having indepth knowledge of the subject - something I have been profoundly interested in since my youth. So don't mention "your.logic" - because you have no idea.

[@fireaza]

Duke's role in the lunar mission was apparently that of comic relief.

[@PrograError]

but then he died in "for all mankind"

[@Aviator27J]

I always wonder about Cernan's "correction" of Schmitt's singing "I was strolling on the moon one day / in the merry merry month of December." He goes "no, May." I always see it as a party pooper comment because he appeared to not understand the joke. They were strolling on the moon in December. He was changing the lyrics on purpose. Maybe it was a facepalm moment when he looked back on it.

[@jimmystrickland1034]

John was just beautiful standing on the rim of that crater.

[@oldbloke135]

Very much not! Charlie Duke was one of NASA's top astronauts. He was CAPCOM for Apollo 11, so the first person to ever talk to someone on another planetary body. He was Lunar Module pilot for Apollo 16. He had a successful career in the Air Force Reserve and is still working as a motivational speaker at age 86. Comic relief?

[@budbin]

cosmic relief

[@canadianatheist3578]

Great video! Notice you referred to surface of the moon "soil" but it's technically called "regolith!"(an awesome word!) I'm sure everyone would love to here you say "regolith" with your beautiful voice so please make more space videos!

[@A.R.77]

During the Gulf War the dust was even an issue there. Dropping any electronic into the sand would kill it with just one drop. So tape players, cd players, anything with moving parts did not last. After a few months none of us had working players. Things that had no moving parts faired better, but the heat would get to those.

[@TitanMichael]

The concept of a complete vacuum on the surface of the moon caught me off guard. Sure, it's a fact that I subconsciously knew but the terrifying reality of being on a stable surface but being entirely exposed at the same time made me reconsider space.

[@f87115]

Or the reality of accepting a theory and believing it to be truth based on nothing but the tube 😂😂😂😂😂 that’s scary

[@Mikael-jt1hk]

​@@f87115its not a theory you halfwit..

[@jamescarter8311]

@@f87115 Based on nothing but the tube? WTF are you talking about?

[@brianalanreed5766]

"They must never touch the moon. It's where not to build your nuclear silver spoon. And not in space. This is not a race nor a debate. You'd aim nukes from there just as you already do demanding everything for the rich and once you have all that you require you'll build a great space station with your new fusion reactor made from the converging of high powered lasers on one point. And you will use it to fuze the atmosphere so you can freeze the oceans and ocean life. Then they'll mine the earth to the core and move the frozen life to the moon and build your Dyson Sphere around the sun destroying at least another world. And if you reach a habitat planet you'll do the same thing claiming your way is the only civilized way just like you have since 1492. Changing the contours of the moon itself disrupts the reflective moonlight causing the conditions of a permanent eclipse where everyone has to look up and see what you've defaced. Even a footprint is a blight that's not very bright. No you must never go there. You're the Death Star. It's what you are. Now go far. You can go to Mars and never return. That world is calling out for your help. It can use your smell. Why can't you tell? You're causing the earths magnetic field to fail with every nuclear experiment and drilling to the core. Some say this all already happened on Mars. A world destroyed more than one time."

[@donnymcgahan1158]

​@@jamescarter8311 boob tube?

[@busterdafydd3096]

boy loved this video... I've researched into moon dust a little before. and tried to understand how charge works... this video showing "force fields" is cool!

[@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe]

So it is true only on the moon and no other planet are stars and other planters not visible is the atmosphere of the moon that dense that no light gets threw.

[@ToySeeker]

Bad Joke: Did you try a vacuum? 😅

[@taxivation]

He said they tried brushing and vacuuming the dust

[@theinspector7882]

Could the same process be applied to protect future rovers from lunar or martian dust?

[@ronaldtkacz1309]

The dust problem can be solved by using “Pledge” or “Endust” multi-surface dusting spray. Plus it leaves a natural shine. Now available in lemon zest scent.

[@jamesclapp6832]

Consuela: "No, no. No."

[@valentinhalau3396]

zesty

[@maxsmodels]

Excellent report. Smithsonian Air & Space magazine covered this a few years ago. This dust is rock, not soft material and works like fine sand paper and clings like velcro. It is a huge problem.

[@anydaynow01]

Yep like a beach house. When I lived near the beach there was sand everywhere all the time, in my car, in my wallet, the house, cloths pockets always had sand in the stitching. There would have to be one awesome filtration system on any habitat up there, or I guess they could do the opposite of the suits and use electrostatic plates to pull most of it out of the habitat's air.

[@davidelliott5843]

Pulverised coal boilers create a glue gas dust not dissimilar to lunar dust. It is removed with cyclones (think Dyson vacuum cleaners) and electrostatic precipitators. The latter are alternating plates and wires charged at 50,000 volts dc. These attract the fine dust from the flowing flue gas.

[@42robwalker]

Fascinating, thank you

[@mr88cet]

IIRC, one of the simplest methods they’re considering for keeping dust out of Lunar habitats, is, in essence, leaving the suits outside! More specifically, to enter the hab, you “dock,” in essence, a small part of the suit to hab wall, with the majority of suit still kept outside, and then crawl out that small opening into the hab.

[@ArKritz84]

I know that it at least has been considered, but it’d make for a pretty bulky and less flexible suit. And even so, you wouldn’t want to have the suit open directly into the hab, so that means another airlock (because you want a “regular” one too).

[@mr88cet]

@@ArKritz84, conceptually, it would be a pretty small airlock, but yes, you would still need a separe airlock for equipment.

[@user-px7kx2gp1b]

The dust being repelled by eletrostatic charge is well exemplified in one of the episodes of "For All Mankind", season 2, during a solar storm. Charged particles of dust are depicted as being thrown from the ground during the bombardment of particles coming from the Sun. I went online and saw a lot of people falling for the trap of believing the producers mistook solar wind for real wind due to that.

[@yupok318]

good example of the type of intellects are hired by nassa

[@GardaOrban]

how can you believe moon landing was not fake

[@brianalanreed5766]

"They must never touch the moon. It's where not to build your nuclear silver spoon. And not in space. This is not a race nor a debate. You'd aim nukes from there just as you already do demanding everything for the rich and once you have all that you require you'll build a great space station with your new fusion reactor made from the converging of high powered lasers on one point. And you will use it to fuze the atmosphere so you can freeze the oceans and ocean life. Then they'll mine the earth to the core and move the frozen life to the moon and build your Dyson Sphere around the sun destroying at least another world. And if you reach a habitat planet you'll do the same thing claiming your way is the only civilized way just like you have since 1492. Changing the contours of the moon itself disrupts the reflective moonlight causing the conditions of a permanent eclipse where everyone has to look up and see what you've defaced. Even a footprint is a blight that's not very bright. No you must never go there. You're the Death Star. It's what you are. Now go far. You can go to Mars and never return. That world is calling out for your help. It can use your smell. Why can't you tell? You're causing the earths magnetic field to fail with every nuclear experiment and drilling to the core. Some say this all already happened on Mars. A world destroyed more than one time."

[@XenXenOfficial]

Loving how astronauts are told to keep count on how many times they instinctively try to blow something off. I honestly bet it was some sorta side info they wanted for like psychological data or something lol

[@RCAvhstape]

Probably a round of drinks owed to the crew for every attempt, payable upon return to Houston.

[@jasonreed7522]

I took it as a joke, the transcripts of everything the astronauts said are hilarious so you know they had a sence of humor.

[@yogoo0]

I can already see many ways to prevent many of these issues. And most of them are due to trying to save weight. But if a legitimate base is made they will need to make many of these fixes. Modularity. Each astronaut should be able to full take apart and repair any part of the suit with replacement parts. Static. Each suit should attempt to be neutral or a repelling charge to the dust. Shielding. Hard plates must be used as armour to protect against falls and general wear and tear. Exoskeleton. The suits must be able to be put on outside of the base to limit dust exposure. This means a dedicated airlock where the Eva suit stays primarily outside of the base and air cycles to ensure no dust gets into the main base. Customization. If each astronaut is expected to do approximately 800h of Eva, they should get to choose how their suit looks.

[@WillStrong69]

while seeing them speak and joke around in the intro, I realised that they where actual humans. It sounds dumb but I always have seen them as heroes of mankind and not like normal dudes that joke around and have normal interactions. Like every other guy on the planet. Just "normal" human beings

[@quenter1392]

It is expensive, but regolith (moon dust) stimulant is sooo cool and weird. If you put it in a cup, it will just completely stick to the cup, and if you put an anchor in the regolith it can lift the cup. It is really like no other material. The particles just naturally bind together if they are next to eachother, but they are still as fine as sand.

[@40watt53]

Where the hell did you buy that?

[@armaandeep9293]

@@40watt53 i wanna know too

[@fadillah6014]

@@40watt53 maybe is never meant for sell, just for limited research

[@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe]

So it is true only on the moon and no other planet are stars and other planters not visible is the atmosphere of the moon that dense that no light gets threw.

[@darthkarl99]

AFAIk they're actually finer than any natrually occouring sand. Heard it described as like baby powder in grain size.

[@one_hoop]

This was extremely interesting, thank you Real Engineering. It's great that college students were able to bring solutions and integrate biomimicry into their design process! (inspired by chinchilla hair & pollen collection ~7:26) I knew suits were a huge problem for the Moon or Mars, so maybe we're closer than I thought?

[@seedplanter7173]

Closer to get into space?

[@clarencehopkins7832]

Excellent stuff bro

[@espacemaxim]

Another moon mission bites the dust...

[@stevieathome4942]

At 0:55, "In the last moments before the lunar sunrise and sunset every day, they noticed a haze developing on the horizon..." The lunar synodic day (day and night) is about 29 earth days. The orbiting astronauts (recall Apollo 8 didn't land on the moon) in the Command/Service Module would have seen a sunrise and sunset about every 2 hours - a sunrise followed by a sunset about an hour later, then sunrise in an hour, and so on. I believe that is what was meant in the narration. That said, this is a very interesting, informative video! Complex challenges with fascinating possible solutions for the upcoming moon missions. I remember dust being a tough issue, and this video gives me a more detailed, technical understanding of the problem, thank you!

[@bonehaggit]

Thanks. That makes sense!

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@bonehaggit yes indeed

[@ValMartinIreland]

Why did this dust not cover the reflectors.

[@julespenot3479]

I was on Caltech's HOMES Big Idea team that also competed in the challenge last year! We actually developed a modular and scalable implementation of EDS for easy dust clearing off of work and habitat surfaces! Ask me anything about the competition! I learned a lot and worked specifically on the electrode layout and high voltage design :))

[@aintheidot9111]

What other practical applications were your specific design designed for? Anything interesting about the layout? What was the biggest thing the EDS could reliably keep off?

[@leviathandrumming2175]

That's so cool 😎

[@julespenot3479]

@@aintheidot9111 the layout of the electrodes needed to handle 4kV difference across less than a mm ; generally a big no no in PCB design. We needed to pull some interesting tricks with dielectric tape / conformal coating to avoid arcing :))

[@platomic]

everyone who ever has stayed near or on an active volcano (i did for a week on the etna once) can tell you about this problem. its why the wine from those places is so good, but also explains the increased risk of lung and skin diseases there.

[@30AndHatingIt]

Wait… why is the wine good?

[@VocalMabiMaple]

​@@30AndHatingItbecause of the lung and skin diseases

[@baxtermullins1842]

Real reason - Nixon cancelled everything to pay for Vietnam war. I went from 13 job offers in the aerospace industry as a new hire to one with only a 6 month offer - I took it!

[@werecynicalwhywolf8700]

We're whalers on the Moon, we carry a harpoon. But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales and sing our whaling tune.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Yes, I too write loony limericks.

[@Mitch.Buchannon]

I‘m with stupid - on the moon ➡️

[@El_Presidente_5337]

John Madden John Madden John Madden Football!

[@smurf2063]

Mama Mia papa pia, baby gotta go DIAHREEEEAAAAAA

[@bennyboyjnr9845]

This is why Darth Vader had those sprayey gas things whenever the ramp of his shuttle opened

[@jus10lewissr]

We've had decades to work on issues with moon regolith and even though NASA practically back-burnered the moon and focused on other things instead, I'd still imagine countless hours were put into attempting to perfect this new spacesuit and that it's definitely far more suitable for issues with moon dust/regolith.

[@brianalanreed5766]

"They must never touch the moon. It's where not to build your nuclear silver spoon. And not in space. This is not a race nor a debate. You'd aim nukes from there just as you already do demanding everything for the rich and once you have all that you require you'll build a great space station with your new fusion reactor made from the converging of high powered lasers on one point. And you will use it to fuze the atmosphere so you can freeze the oceans and ocean life. Then they'll mine the earth to the core and move the frozen life to the moon and build your Dyson Sphere around the sun destroying at least another world. And if you reach a habitat planet you'll do the same thing claiming your way is the only civilized way just like you have since 1492. Changing the contours of the moon itself disrupts the reflective moonlight causing the conditions of a permanent eclipse where everyone has to look up and see what you've defaced. Even a footprint is a blight that's not very bright. No you must never go there. You're the Death Star. It's what you are. Now go far. You can go to Mars and never return. That world is calling out for your help. It can use your smell. Why can't you tell? You're causing the earths magnetic field to fail with every nuclear experiment and drilling to the core. Some say this all already happened on Mars. A world destroyed more than one time."

[@adgalanda]

"We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon! Though there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales and sing this whaling tune!"

[@scottrobinson4611]

For anyone wanting some Apollo Nostalgia in a good TV show, "For All Mankind" on Apple TV+ is pretty great. It's an alternative history where 2 weeks before Apollo 11's launch, the Russians land a man on the moon. It follows the chaos and struggle for the USA to catch up to Russia in the space race.

[@agilamaharlikaPH]

The series is grest but damn! They did the soviet EVA suits dirty!! Season 1 had orlan like suit but season 2 and onwards were dirty, it kinda broke the realism for me. But overall greay series though. Just wish they fixed it this season but nah, they change the US suits but soviets one were the somewhat the same

[@sethjansson5652]

@@agilamaharlikaPH Pretty accurate to me considering the Soviets were never about improvement. As long as things worked, they stuck with it. Hence why the Chernobyl accident happened.

[@DystopiaWithoutNeons]

I like the world building, but the characters aren't the most interesting, some times they are so stupid. I kept watching just to see the timeline changes.

[@agilamaharlikaPH]

@@sethjansson5652 season 1 had red orlan soviet suit, similar to the americans. For some reason appletv/ForAllMankind ditched it and changed it to a suit that was designed for inside a breached spaceship only, not for moon walks or long duration spacewalks. But yeah i just wished they explained it or change it back to season 1 soviet

[@apollo4619]

@@agilamaharlikaPH No spoilers for season 3 but the Russian Mars Suits look like a Orlan/US suit hybrid (nice touch since with the space race continuing Russian tech espionage ramps up more than our timeline with for example the Buran Orbiter)

[@Ghost77731]

I saw an idea somewhere where the EVA suits stayed outside the base at all times and astronauts would enter and exit them after attaching them to the base. The suits wouldn’t have to ever enter the living area but I’m sure they would get much more worn out much quicker

[@baconninja4481]

Easy solution: Have closed off “garage” area for the suits that are separated from the base.

[@iyzu8413]

that's from Kurzgesagt I think

[@Ghost77731]

@@iyzu8413 That might be it I love that channel

[@iyzu8413]

@@Ghost77731 me too, they are amazing

[@Solar_1011]

@@iyzu8413 They’re probably funded by billionaires trying to improve their image.

[@victormera7243]

Explains the big budget of NASA, all this innovation really are a marvel

[@tanks4nuthin964]

I think watching astronauts fuck up basic little things on the moon and interacting with Houston is one of the most pure hearted and funny things you can watch 😂 Never gets old

[@starcrafsf7101]

The lunar dust was an unknown problem at the time, but it’s known about now, and knowing about the problems, allows for the creation of solutions

[@The_Reality_Filter]

Well they made 6 successful missions not knowing about the dust so why bother now?

[@jacqueslandman8044]

@@The_Reality_Filter watch the video again, maybe it will become clear why they are working to fix this problem now and not 50 years ago.

[@Sydra.]

@@The_Reality_Filter They didn't want to stay there. It ruins your tools in a day.

[@wildboar7473]

@@Sydra. serious so Many expect Nylon flags to be still -waving- standing. And what of those functioning Retroflectors?

[@wildboar7473]

@@The_Reality_Filter not only that Their studies have drastically highten radiation on Moon. Ignorance is success!

[@caty863]

Woow. It's a rare occurance nowadays to find a YT video that actually teaches you something new. Thank you for your dedication to making engineering cool again.

[@emmacavalier]

If you like this, try out Anton Petrov! Hes also a great science channel.

[@dmoore5120]

visit Scott Manly - Good space info ...

[@lifeisstr4nge]

I would've liked him to realize that taking off his helmet would've made it easier to blow off the dust.

[@MusicManSabastian]

God: “I will make visiting my heavens impossible” Humans: “hold my beer”

[@michaelvaughn7137]

The same as the last and"first" the Van Alan Belt !

[@WILMORENO]

Was looking for this comment

[@michaelvaughn7137]

@@WILMORENO ? elaborate please?

[@moosemoose9409]

Probably a moon landing denier , many use the “impossibility “ of getting past the van Alan belt as why we never landed on the moon

[@manofcultura]

Dust gets charged here on earth too, except the air is so dense that the effects not only aren’t as dramatic, the charge gets dissipated into the relatively thick air of normal atmospheric pressure.

[@manofcultura]

@hen ko side doesn’t matter. The moon gets equal amount of sunlight because it rotates, the dark side of the moon is just the side we don’t see but it also gets sunlight when the moon is dark in the sky.

[@pasqualeredo]

When you say "the charge dust acquires here on Earth gets dissipated into the relatively thick air of normal atmospheric pressure", I assume (for those in the peanut gallery who might be interested in participating in an intelictual conversation to see how the other half (not really HALF, more like the 10 of 15% of learn what it feels like to have an actual intelictual ctual may be joining I know the old adage about what happens when you ASS - U - ME

[@xenuno]

Water is the key .. as a gas, a liquid, and even as ice. It moderates everything on this planet and truly makes it special

[@telx2010]

@@xenuno lol

[@benziko1460]

Incredible explanation of the pesky electrostatic dust problem. When I first learned about this it killed off my beloved giant moon telescope plan. Great to see there are solutions in the works

[@dsdy1205]

Would still work with a radio telescope, don't give up hope yet

[@JM-zg2jg]

@@dsdy1205 Radio telescope would be better as an orbital array. Honestly a long wire in orbit would be better than a lot of our ground based equipment. So an Array say the size of earths orbit, would be spectacular. Frankly I find it odd that we don’t have one. Makes me think they don’t actually want to listen too hard.

[@Zacharysharkhazard]

@@JM-zg2jg A fixed-position crater telescope on the dark side of the moon would be a lot better than an orbital solution for longer photos due to the inability to enter a luna-synchronous orbit; ASSUMING we can solve the hazards on the lunar surface.

[@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe]

So it is true only on the moon and no other planet are stars and other planters not visible is the atmosphere of the moon that dense that no light gets threw.

[@dsdy1205]

@@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe you may want to do some research into camera exposures

[@user-gl7ie7jq1i]

Love your crisp ,clear Irish accent.

[@FizzleFX]

The one step forward we took since Apollo...

[@pallacron]

Moon dust sounds similar to rebar dust…that stuff gets stuck to everything. We’ve had tape drives fail because of rebar dust build up

[@stuntpenguin]

hmmmmm probaby not a million miles away from the same studio type of problem.... trying to imagine the pain of losing a €15,000 LTO drive to dust

[@pallacron]

@@stuntpenguin you people are funny- the moon landings were not faked. It’s been proven time and time again. Were you there? No, the “evidence” that everyone seems to think is proof of fakery: lighting is off. Well, that was disproven by nVidia so….wrong think, try again this time with evidence But then again, each and every person that thinks the way you do thinks the earth is flat (it certainly isn’t…)

[@RussellDayTranscendian]

I have had occasions where I failed as a photographer due to an environment where in I did not have the capability to control dust in makeshift darkrooms. I ran out time, money for photo paper and was embarrassed. It is the thing about digital image making that I love. I even had a camera that had dust get behind the lens and ruin all the photos from then on. A waterproof camera was also dust proof, solving my problem. Film negatives transferred to digital allow me to retouch and minimize the damages of dust. I kinda hate fucking dust.

[@supertrooper6011]

wont somebody think of the roomba!!

[@shebahammy]

@@supertrooper6011 moon roomba

[@1whoDoesSimply]

@@shebahammy moomba

[@1whoDoesSimply]

It wasn't your fault if you couldn't control it

[@NerdilyDone]

I'm sure you do, Anakin.

[@ColeRees]

Finally, graphene is going to be used for a “future tech” like we’ve been hearing about! We’ve heard for years that it would be applicable to so many things, it’s really cool to see that finally happening

[@Roxasamico]

So cool! I thought graphene oxide was reserved for the kill shots only, but we finally get to pretend some more steaming NASA bs is real! So cool! So cool!!

[@AlexandroMechina-yb3tf]

I imagine the situation of a Future moon settlement and I had a kinda crazy idea: How about just wetting the surroundings in order to control a little bit the dust? Just like people used some water before sweeping the floor that was only dirt. Obviously water will froze but that actually can be good, into generating a more solid layer. I know water would be precious in the moon but some can be used as a building material. And maybe a slim layer would be enough to contain and stabilize the regolith

[@TheAechBomb]

sprayed water would immediately freeze, then slowly sublimate into water vapor, it wouldn't stay wet long enough to hold any dust

[@ehta2413]

@@TheAechBomb That's why you need a mist room and double airlocks. First airlock is to the outside world, after that is thee room with over 90% moisture in the air and tiny mist spreaders in the roof to allow more, then second airlock is into the actual utility room, where you leave or dock in with the suits. Only other option would be to treat suits like vehicles and park them outside the habitat and only have docking mechanism to enter one suit.

[@seabass211]

It’ll be wonderful when advancements in technology will allow recreational visits to such inhospitable places. One day, we might even be able to visit Detroit.

[@unicornhuntercg]

Noo..not Detroit !!?

[@Mozart1220]

But the Lions will still be the worst NFL team in history.

[@twistedyogert]

If one can figure out how to make these materials on an industrial scale it could change the world. I've always been fascinated by the idea of a particle shield but a much stronger one for protection from solar-particle radiation.

[@pakde8002]

Oh, I thought you meant something to keep the house clean. Now that's useful!

[@twistedyogert]

@@pakde8002 It's possible that something like a particle shield could have multiple applications depending on how strong it is. You could do away with heavy doors on vacuum chambers if you use a thick enough shield to artificially keep the air out. Then there's the other type that I thought up. It would use a magnetic field to contain charged particles (protons, electrons). If enough of these particles were jammed into that particular space they would theoretically prevent objects from passing through it.

[@jbstepchild]

This is easy you either positive charge or negative charge the suit to your needs as for material allow a small currant to flow thru the foot wear to allow a thin layer of moon material to bond to the footwear using the moons material to wear itself down instead of the outfit

[@munkypark2560]

You need Bart Sibrel and "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon" that footage was shot on Earth.

[@yassassin6425]

Geejus! - how gullible does it get?Yeah sure, Bart Sibrel, because after all, nothing says informed, honest and accurate like a former cab driver and convicted felon, ex stalker and religious cult member, one time advertisement maker that managed to get himself ostracised by the entire industry and a proven liar and fraud with absolutely no specialist knowledge of scientific expertise whatsoever. Ok then. Anymore recommendations genius?

[@yassassin6425]

@@jacknewman9106 Bizarre response and non-sequitur there chief.

[@gives_bad_advice]

@@jacknewman9106 "i like turtles"

[@Isawwhatyoudid]

Sometimes I fear we are going to spend trillions only to find out we are stuck here. The more I learn, the more we learn we find that complex life depends on far more than simply an energy source, water and organic molecules.

[@stevo2992]

Although she keeps herself quite busy, I'm sure my mother in law would be a great asset to the team, her capabilities of removing dust are almost legendary.

[@lohcantfail]

no dust is safe from a motivated mother, this is a universal truth.

[@marktwain368]

Why didn't NASA think of that?? Sure, a feather duster and mini-vac and Bob's your uncle!

[@nadhifsaputra7310]

"I tried blowing off the dust" "It doesn't work tho" Hmm i wonder why wouldn't it worked

[@pforce9]

Our very first version of shields.

[@Ghawyn]

What an incredible solution. I do have one question. The solution keeps the dust off most of the spacesuit material, but are there any exposed joints that aren’t protected? It seems like these are the points of interest that the dust actually harms to begin with.

[@z-beeblebrox]

The joints are where this solution is targeted. However, nothing is "exposed" per se, due to the fact that it needs to be vacuum sealed.

[@KillerKojak]

Answer this first.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3q0kHmajpecrtE

[@scoo73r]

I just finished reading Delta-v by Daniel Suarez. It's about the first manned asteroid mining mission. The charged regolith presented some issues in the book and it's cool to see it here as well. Highly recommend the book for anyone interested in hard sci-fi.

[@neurhlp]

Imagine a space "rock" mostly made of extremely fine dust kept together by very weak gravity and electrostatic forces! Imagine trying to stand on it! It instantly swallows you like water. It turns out many space rocks are like that (there are many exceptions too, like naked nickel-iron planet cores).

[@sciencecompliance235]

@@neurhlp Yes, the Saturn moon Methone is apparently one such rock. Extremely low density and smooth egg shape (as a tiny moon), indicating that it is loosely bound together.

[@dmoore5120]

@@paddor sticking pretty close to actual (hard) science

[@bbirda1287]

@@paddor It's science fiction with no magical force powers like Star Wars or similar stories which are derided as space opera. The Expanse novels are mostly hard sci fi, some authors stick to what is currently possible or just on the horizon.

[@anydaynow01]

@@bbirda1287 To avoid spoilers, I'll be deliberately vague in saying that even some of the craziness that happens later could well fall within the realm of hard science fiction the way they explain it. It is such a great series, I hope they get a chance to port the rest of the books to a show with Ty and Naren at the lead and Daniel writing some great interpretations.

[@TripleARawn]

They should bring along a really big HEPA filter

[@johndyson4109]

They have to start with a none porous outer layer to make the suits..Use the eletrical current to repulse dust at the joints and connections on the suit. Also powerful micro partial air filters in the spacecraft. Protected air filtered electronics.. Plenty of sophisticated vacuum cleaners.....Make like a mud room on the spacecraft for dust decontamination..

[@ramabg2]

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating - and it gets everywhere." Anakin Skywalker Event the mighty Darth Vader has issue with sand, let alone dust. Nasa concern is legit.

[@CellarDoorCS]

Nano coatings are something NASA has been working on specifically for this reason, already with great results.

[@mihailmilev9909]

Nice, I wonder how this can make it to the civilian market

[@PREDATOR07]

While we struggle dealing with microplastics.

[@TheVanillatech]

Obviously they already perfected it 50 years ago. Whats to work on?

[@collectiusindefinitus6935]

@@TheVanillatech But the suits then got damaged , didn’t they? Clearly it wasn’t perfected if that was the case.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@collectiusindefinitus6935 To survive passage through the Van Allen Belt (there AND back), it's akin to standing 2 feet away from the Elephants Foot back in 1989 for an hour. In other words, you'd have taken on enough radiation to die every 60 seconds, thats 60 lethal doses, only it's an exponential. Every second after that initial 60 seconds is more damaging than the previous second. CLEARLY, given the actors.... I mean ASTRONAUTS, returned home safely after a nice game of golf on the moon .............. the suits are perfected 50 years ago. Savvy? Nasa invented suits that have the same radiation shielding ability against human flesh damage that a lead container with 36" walls offers. Miraculous! But then they lost the diagrams and design documents, the pen drive accidentally got formatted, and the engineers that worked on the suits drowned in a boating accident while catching unicorn fish.

[@GuentherJohnny]

Dude I love your content. Love your accent! Where are you from?

[@grahamcraqqa]

Now we have force fields built into your space suits, pretty amazing

[@Alcinos]

"I just tried to blow the dust off!" Damn these guys were on the most dangerous mission in human history, yet being able to maintain a happy and relaxed mindset during it. Truly mans of steel

[@nelzelpher7158]

They past the mental tests before hand. Of course it’s expected.

[@RasCricketSmallAxe]

It's because they were still on Earth, dude. Use your goddamn head.

[@jaybee9269]

@@RasCricketSmallAxe >> Find another channel, Skippy. This one is for grownups.

[@RasCricketSmallAxe]

@@jaybee9269 get more defensive, fool. To bad you’re so gullible

[@RasCricketSmallAxe]

@@jaybee9269 you can tell how insecure of a person you are from one post