Deprogrammed - Interview with the Narcissist with H.G. Tudor

[@mireiacastello7041]

HG Tudor's work is brilliant. I've learned so much from him.

[@mikebardenmusic]

I recently came up on HGs work after having just escaped from a narcissistic relationship, and in fact just recently did an audio consultation with him. His direction on "no contact" has helped give me the space to breathe and heal, even though I now live just a mile from the narcissist. But this video also introduced me to you, Keri, which was also a good thing. I have subscribed to your channel and will continue to follow with interest.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Very nice to meet you! Welcome.

[@Geeronimo99]

Yes. Most people advise social cohesion. Very dangerous advice. Hg tutor tells the truth. Run.

[@loismiller7742]

Great show - just found this yesterday 7/17/23. I think it is great how HG agreed to an interview @ you; a small channel too! You asked some great questions. I have learned so much about human nature - 15% of people are narcs - i can process the difficult people and let my frustrations go in regards to the awful politics in the USA and the world. Trump, Biden, Putin etc ( most of the world leaders except Queen Elizabeth, may she RIP and Prince William ( thank God he is A Normal), are narcs. It's a no win for us. I agree @ you about HG's voice. Don't be fooled, he can get really dark and vile - Do not listen to his recent piece on Harry's Wife and the roast chicken... gah, you can't unhear and mentally clean your brain of some of the things he describes ( sex). I'm 68 and didn't know how some people behaved. Yuk

[@RealKeriSmith]

Thank you for your comment! he has helped me immensely in dealing with a narc in my life. I agree with you that it's not very wise of me to be so trusting with him. Working on that with the charming narc types. Haha.

[@HGCUPCAKES]

I’m glad HG Tudor was able to educate you on narcissism and now you’re more aware. Hopefully the video helps others as well.

[@jeffreysmith6120]

😊😊p

[@Geeronimo99]

Why is your circle mm...is hg cupcake meghan

[@ceruleanswim]

The British slang added levity to such a heavy subject. “Rumpy-pumpy” and “the duchess of industrial beige” had me 🤣. Fascinating interview.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Me too!

[@cloudberry27]

I'm English and I too love his phrases. Annie Noknickers was funny (knickers are underpants). Another he uses quite a bit when talking about Harrys wife is "spicey poontang" aka risque or slightly kinky sex.😅

[@libertymindsetlucy6010]

Enjoyed this interview. I fell out when H G referred to Harry’s wife something along the line of the Duchess of Beige and commingled that description with a clip of Megan saying she only wore beige or muted colors to blend in and not take attention away from presumably senior members of the Royal family. H G had her pegged so perfectly, and she’s just delusional.

[@sue8344]

I live hearing HG interviewed by different people

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you, again. Watching and Listening from Alaska.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Welcome!

[@paragoncumulus6636]

I often choose to listen to HG Tudor when going off to sleep. I can't believe I never knew he had an audio book channel!

[@Unknown90010]

He also has a channel called "The Treasure Trove " that where he reads stories basically

[@Geeronimo99]

Wow...I'll be falling asleep to those in future...

[@gauloise6442]

Watching Karlyn's reaction to this video should be used in teaching environments. HG Tudor will say something, and then Karlyn's reaction serves as a real-life example of what HG just said. The thing about narcs is they are like robots, they all act the same way and respond to the same cues. Once you figure them out, they are almost pathetically boring and tediously predictable. That's when they lose their power.

[@Mr.Brewer83]

Karlyn B is a complete narcissist. I am so sorry she harasses you the way she does.

[@somethinggood9267]

It was interesting to see hg assert control throughout this video.

[@arieschick1]

Yes. The interviewer opens up too easily, shows moments of supplication. The female voice needs to stay low to have authority. She shows openings for a Love Bomber, could get hooked if she doesn't study the red flags (as via Quora), and school herself thoroughly on all the traits of a Narcissist. That goes for all of us. HG is still the best source to know Narcissism but Quora Q&As come in close second.

[@Geeronimo99]

Hopefully she will meet a gentle person like Andrew gold and be safe. Yes. Never flirt with a narcissist. Mouse with a snake. Sadly.

[@sheryldalton8965]

I've been listening to HG for a few months. I like him very much too, for his honesty, intelligence, wit & that great voice.

[@DarrenFMagee]

Fantastic interview. Thanks to both of you 👍

[@marialice1802]

This was a very nice interview, I enjoyed a lot, it's always good to listen to HG, you learn something new on his interviews. Thank you Keri for bringing him on your channel.

[@KL-zg7lu]

Narcissists sure love to try and claim it's you talking to yourself, or that you're unstable/crazy. They are usually obsessive. I've had to deal with a couple who faked their death online, so they could stalk.

[@elizabethmartinez4086]

!!

[@veebliss1266]

Don’t waste time exposing , everything hg said is true , people want to remain blind or not learn about narcissism. And everyone thinks they are the exception , in a new relationship and that you are just the bitter ex . DONT do it! She or he will learn the way you did -by being mauled by the narc!

[@phluphie]

Hey! You got Tudor on your show! That's great. I started listening to him a year or so ago cause you were talking about him. Congrats on a really good get.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Aw thanks Kevin! I hope he has been helpful.

[@phluphie]

@@RealKeriSmith I don’t think I need help. I don’t think I know any narcissists. And I’m fairly certain I’m not one. But I do find his insights fascinating. Even if his smooth baritone voice and English accent tend to hypnotize me. 😋

[@Geeronimo99]

Yes. He is a hypnotist. Be careful...addictive.

[@lamentate07]

HG also enjoys taking down lower level narcs as well. If he can deprive them of supply, mission accomplished! LOL.

[@compulsivecrocheter8961]

Thank you both for this illuminating interview.

[@ThatKillerQuote]

I had to distance myself from my mother. It sucks but I hope one day we'll be on speaking terms again. 🙏🏼

[@heygoober1653]

Wow. I thought the title was meant playfully or as a joke, but realized what a serious and intelligent conversation this is. Very very intriguing. Waytago, guys.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Thanks dude!!

[@unfilthy]

As Keri was being her lovely, compassionate, earnest self, I was sitting here thinking, what is he lying about? If he's as he (grandiosely) describes himself, he won't be sharing any truth that conflicts with (or undermines) his needs and aims, so he will never be a reliable narrator of his own behavior or psychology. I think it's way more interesting to look at how he's being manipulative with the bits of truth he doles out, and how that shows how his mind works, than to listen to what he says and take it at face value as an insight into his mind. Still, an interesting conversation.

[@frankievalentine6112]

Agreed. He often has delusional ideas that he's totally unaware of.

[@puckloki873]

@@frankievalentine6112 Valentine....the heart....you are love bombing. ALERT!!

[@fs4u]

You clearly don't understand what HG is all about. He is helping people and leaving a legacy. Also, narcissism is a defense mechanism and narcissists see the world differently. I suggest you subscribe to his channel and really learn what's its all about.

[@unfilthy]

@@fs4u You didn't contradict anything I've said, nor have you made a counter-argument (though you did repeat things he's said in this interview), so I'm not inclined to take your view that I just don't get it too seriously. As to subscribing, I don't think I will. I've come across one of his videos a while back, by chance, and learned nothing new, but did find him to be not as smart as he clearly thinks he is, and his persona grating to me personally, and I've learned long ago not to suffer needlessly. I have better sources of information. I do find it curious that you feel the need to defend him from people taking him at his word about what kind of person he is and reacting accordingly. Did he not recommend people avoid narcissists like the plague? I happen to agree with him on that point, I just don't see a need to make a special exception in his case.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

You've just given him exactly what he wanted. 😅 My brothers a high functioning narcissist. His biggest turn on, is when he gets people who stop and interact with his narcissism. Especially the people that try and 'study' him and point out 'Ooh I could tell that he did this and wasn't being honest with this part and I'm shrewd enough to not be taken in. I'm not gonna be the victim!' Ironically , that person is the one person that's given him everything he wanted. Here's a tip for those that aren't used to dealing with people who are actual narcissists. (Very rare) If they tell you they're a narcissist, they're looming for OPs 'ooh I'm on my guard! Ya won't get past me' reaction. The best going you can do is ignore it. Put it into a box in your mind and move on. (No offense OP) 😊

[@Ferdinand314]

Keri, I'm delighted you're talking to HG. I have the same mixed feelings you taked about in the intro.

[@RealKeriSmith]

It's weird right? My natural inclination is to like him a lot!

[@ratusbagus]

The eggshells you trod at the beginning were so familiar to me. I walked away from my wife 21st June 2021. With me it wasn't nervousness but actual fear and dread. But what I learned was that it is possible and that this person was totally aware of the damage and pain he caused to others. His calmly admitting that made my memories feel sick. Brave video Kerry. Bill

[@jans724]

Great interview, thanks! I have learned so much from H.G and his work. I escaped from and am now "co-parenting" with a 'covert narcissist' (or lower mid-ranger), and H.G's work and council has been extremely useful! At first I was very sceptical of him and his channel.., I checked many other channels, but now I think it's the best resource on narcissism available. His programs 'How to co-parent' and 'Child Defender' are excellent. Also 'divorcing a narcissist'.

[@idanceforpennies281]

I think narcissists come in all shapes and sizes. I've met a few very high-functioning ones that are very successful in business, and actually have friends. But they completely dominate those friends, that's the nature of the beast. "My way or the highway". And then there are ones who are just total destructive psychopaths. With a gradient for everything in between.

[@lamentate07]

Yes, and these 'friends' allow themselves to be dominated by more successful narcs to derive benefits. They are transactional relationships.

[@idanceforpennies281]

@@lamentate07 That's right.

[@somethinggood9267]

Here from hgs channel. Nice to find a new interesting channel!

[@thebootlegknitter]

Wow great show

[@majorkade]

My wife talked with actor Michael C. Hall (aka Dexter) in an Asheville Whole Foods yesterday.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Spooky!

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching from Alaska.

[@AFreckledAngel]

His voice sounds like a Marvel evil villian....

[@Mortred99]

The whole part after you complimented his voice is incredibly weird: Chilled and warmed at the same time.

[@RealKeriSmith]

I admit it’s weird! If he were someone who didn’t come right out and say: I am this kind of predator, I wouldn’t be conflicted about being warm. But on the other hand, I appreciate him coming right out and saying what he is. Very weird internal conflict.

[@Geeronimo99]

He sees compliments as intent at control. Never compliment a narc.😮

[@DillyDallyDiane-t8s]

Most Narcissists DO NOT KNOW THEY ARE!! Some do know but won’t ever admit it, it would damage their facade 😅And then Those ones who think they are good people! 😂😂 And don’t ever tell them that they are bc they will crush you like a bug!😂😂😂

[@RealKeriSmith]

Girl, you are speaking truth. They hate being seen for what they are.

[@gauloise6442]

@@RealKeriSmith I've noticed that normal people will go to narcissism channels/websites to learn what happened to them, whereas the unaware narc goes to these channels to understand how to manipulate people and they look at the info in an excited "life hack" manner

[@glerp10000000000]

I wish I'd heard this stuff a few years ago, instead of having to learn by experience...but it's nice to learn I figured it out. Thanks Keri.

[@MIDNIGHTSUNALASKA]

Love your work, HG..!!!

[@richardlisiura3025]

It amazes me how easily people like this amass such a loyal following. It's almost cult like. Hope you found this interview helpful. It would be interesting if you can follow up on how you perceived this interview went and how it made you feel. I don't fault you if you want to end it here. All in all, it was quite an eerie experience, especially knowing how it affects you personally.

[@richardlisiura3025]

@Cast Cal I wasn't referring to HG Tudor who is acting as an educator. My reference was about people charming or not that are able to create drama along with an audience that agree with everything that is said or done, no matter weather it is based on truth or not. No contact is the only cure for such a situation.

[@surlyunicorn9461]

This was a very interesting listen. Thanks, Keri.

[@chuckdavis572]

Very interesting chat. I think you're potentially in a sticky wicket - being a public figure. You have about zero chance of successfully ignoring the person harassing you - as you have too many contacts in your life who will still be subject to this persons harassment - and that info getting back to you.

[@Geeronimo99]

Yes. Let god do big battles re villains keri. Keep yourself and your loved safe. The monkeys like drinking the monkey blood on the narc ice cream cone.

[@Geeronimo99]

Hg the hitman. Whew.

[@gringodude67]

Douche canoe. That's a keeper.

[@TecOneself]

Thank you, it's fantastic. You're very sweet, learn to play wit your settings as well and open up to other fields, we look in others what we need in us. One can be complementary with a narcissist, the problem is that if they're malicious they would never care about you, this for suck your energy up, your creativeness wishes to melt aside or with the other, or back and fore when your energy+creative time/space is moving with the other, both on any design. There are evolved narcissist whom don't need to lie or have many woman, others to take from you to give to the new or maintain the old facade of being well known. They will care for you because you're part of them, it's very difficult that they would be part of you or your creation, you can be on the side, yet you're giving them something that it's more than the structure. Narcissist have a strong sense of structure and dealing, management. The other extreme have the energy, are the cream of life, the colour, that which has been rotten inside of them and they need so much. They need it, but rejected, its nearly impossible for them to find their neglected heart, and I don't mean about being uncomfortable, but being in a state of purity or love, or clear awareness for them is a sense of loosing control. The attraction is the need, aware of not. Is a magnetism. Many or a higher level of conciseness can vanish from their ego and or trauma and become one entity.

[@TheReasonWeLearn]

This was great Keri!

[@RealKeriSmith]

Thank you so much Deb! 💜

[@TMAC_burninator]

This was fascinating.

[@majorkade]

Really enjoyed this interview. Thanks.

[@RealKeriSmith]

Thank you for watching!

[@gauloise6442]

For people interested in more info on Narcissism, I highly suggest Ollie Matthew's channel Refuge from Narcissism. I've learned more from him than anyone else. Tudor is ok, but gets really repetitive and is lacking the human element. He basically just classifies people into different tiers of narcissism using the same base criteria without really getting to the emotional processing side. Ollie really gets it, as a survivor of narc abuse himself. He also goes into societal narcissism in politics and trends, which would be of interest to people of this channel.

[@somethinggood9267]

27 minutes in, and I definitely disagree. We shouldn't ignore when we see people abusing other people, that makes us complicit. If it's just an internet squabble, that's fine. But if somebody is actually being abused and you do nothing about it, that makes you somebody without empathy. Of course HG would give you advice as to just save your own skin and ignore the problems of others, but that's not advice coming from somebody with empathy. If we did come into contact with another Harvey Weinstein for example, we would need to gather data and be sure that we had definitive proof before we brought anything before a court of law. You can take down people who do wrong, you just have to make sure you have definitive proof and it's watertight. I get a lot of information from HG about narcissism, but I'm not going to get my morals from him. Edit: by the way I'm not talking about romantic integuments, I'm talking about clear cases of abuse one might be privy to

[@Neghul1]

How about interviewing Dr. Todd Grande He has got a awesome sense of humor but he does analyze people that have been in the news

[@RealKeriSmith]

I love his channel! Great idea!

[@somethinggood9267]

Yeah he is cool

[@NelsonThePsychopath]

Man thus guy interrupts a lot. It's like he doesn't care what someone else has to say.........oh wait he's a narcissist.

[@shungupatsika]

I wish you’d asked, what if the narc has care of the children & you’re seeking to co-parent but alienated by them?

[@RealKeriSmith]

I’m hoping to speak with him again so I’ll save this question! But check out his KZbin library on this topic.

[@Harmony-ks7gv]

He has free videos, books/audio for a fee that can be obtained through his website, as well as a blog on the website.

[@Neghul1]

Please interview David Wood

[@RealKeriSmith]

I don’t know who he is but I’ll look him up. Thanks!

[@jlcburr]

@@RealKeriSmith This video I think is a re-upload but a pretty good summary of David Wood's experience with being a psychopath and how Christianity changed him. KZbin has nuked his channel several times for going after Islam too hard, so I'm honestly not sure where you can find him now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5KZhmB4e5KHbMk

[@Neghul1]

Watch his story about his conversion to Christianity it would make a really good movie actually

[@kristineopsommer]

GREAT idea, Neghul!

[@softlycrumblingcastle1820]

The psychology discipline is one of the most subversively destructive widespread faults of modern society; starting as the counterpart of philosophy, it has degenerated so much as the latter did so far. It is plainly negative on its own regard, and only needed because of a lack of normal every day conversations of a sincere and direct manner between individuals. Given that the only thing that works for people being treated is cognitive behavioural theraphy, which involves mere common sense and a Very basic logical prospect. Yet because people are antisocial nowadays, living absurdly complicated and confusing lives, they can't even keep up with things that no one would have had a problem with a hundred or more years ago. So those are the basics... As for this individual, he claims to be an "Aware" narcissist, being this related with the idea of the subconscious. This "known/unknown" thing has been conceptualized in many ways so far, about 3 to 5 different ones I think: starting as a way of explaining how one learns stuff such as driving a car and 'retains' it afterwards in order to 'use' it. But what it does mean is entirely subjective and value-driven as far as I see, because he doesn't care about it regarding most people. Nor any narcissist would care in reality. For any dark triad individual, treatment is counterproductive; they react getting worse and more perverse. So, all of what he does is ambiguous. He is not helping monsters, nor strenghtening victims in any clear way. All of the pathologies that psychoanalists came up with (as characteristic) were explained as just psychosis. And now all they do is Vote for whatever new exaggeration comes to mind without any scientific criteria whatsoever; then you get diagnosed; then you get meds that are prescribed on no real analytical basis (such as a biopsy of the brain). And anti-traditional ways of conduct never get called psychotic. This is the problem with psychology. What they think is that the individual limits itself and is against itself, while as before we thought that the important limitations were external, natural, objective. You have to liberate yourself from yourself, you see... You are a problem to get solved, not so the world itself that is hard to interact with. So take up meds, engage on hundreds of useless hours of wacky therapy and never have close social relations in the first place. Nevermind about priests, because "we are the new spirituals leaders now." These people tell others they can abide by any caprices they have; the problem is the world out there, for the most part. That is how they see things. It is wrong and must be rejected. One has to resist the passions, those primal things that these people say are good and a part of anyone, and that is the only way of being free. Freedom is not doing anything but what has to be done. And yes, I would be the one with some "oppositional defiant disorder," or whatever excuse people like that want to come up with. Who cares. They are as consistent as the air we breath. All the while, people like Edward Dutton get smeared and called names by their kind, having tens of books and serious studies on evolutionary psychology... Good job for them. I so hardly hope they leave way for decent people some day. Good day.

[@frankievalentine6112]

My question is why exactly would you want him on your show?

[@RealKeriSmith]

Because he has helped me a lot the past couple of years and I think other ppl who have come into a contact with one of these monsters might find him helpful.

[@cje3247]

He provides accurate information & education.

[@milamilamana]

My dream come true

[@Neghul1]

Do think Karlyn Borlysenko is a narcissist?

[@RealKeriSmith]

Yes

[@lorahiggins4006]

100%

[@Neghul1]

Were you referencing her during this interview without stating her name?

[@Harmony-ks7gv]

As HG says, look at the evidence. One thing I've noticed about KB is, when she's had a falling-out with a group or individual, it's always their fault, never hers. Once the relationship dissolves, she immediately maligns the person or group, which is the standard modus operandi for a narc. Also, when she feels she's being attacked, it's the "they're so mean and out to get me" mantra.

[@lorahiggins4006]

As HG says, even this discussion gives her fuel. We should avoid it.

[@travelinpack]

How do we know this guy is legit? If he is what he says he is, why is he talking to you about it? Anonymity , and his supposed declaration, given what it is, is not enough for me to believe him. Maybe I’m just to skeptical ….

[@Mortred99]

There is definitely the possibility he's not "legit". He might be a mid level narcissist who convinced himself to be something greater in order to gain more control and benefits. A simple question then, the more important: Well, does his material work? If yes, the question of whether he's fake is not really that important. He has a lot of testimony/reviews to suggest that his work is on point, so that's what matters here, I'd say.

[@somethinggood9267]

Coming from someone who has watched a lot of videos on narcissism, his perspective tends to make the most sense. It makes the most sense as far as how some people are aware and know what they're doing, and how some people are unaware and actually think they're a good person, all the while they are being the narcissist. His characterizations of narcissism are spot on. But as far as why he's doing this, it does garner him a great deal of attention and supply. He also says he wants to build a legacy for himself. I also infer from hearing him speak that he looks down on the "lesser narcissists", as he calls them, with disdain. He doesn't care if he exposes them or their games. As for his own well being, he considers himself smart enough that even if people know this information; he will be able to pull the wool over their eyes in his own life.

[@janine8381]

Piers Morgan’s voice.