Really Needed? Hurricane Brackets - Workshop Build 11

[@kevinwright7595]

I’m no expert, but I think you forgot to test the system. You have to grab those rafters, try to shake them loose, and state emphatically “That ain’t going nowhere”. Seriously, thanks for the videos on your shed, can’t wait to see the shop up and running.

[@anthonymiller8979]

"That ain't going nowhere" is a must in construction LOL

[@Samcraftcom]

LOLOL Love it!!! You win the pin for the comment on the video! :)

[@TheWoodHaven]

You must be a follower of Lumnah Acres as well. He says that with anything tied down, strapped, nailed, screwed or otherwise weighted down.

[@Mikelyte]

he did pat the ridge clip twice, and said "nice", that is almost as good.

[@pfmcdermott1]

+1 for being able to experience that moment where you could say, “I knew saving these rafter ties for six years was going to pay off!” So many of us store things and never get to that moment. Thank you for sharing it!

[@CherrieMcKenzie]

I hear you!! There is a fine line between being frugal and hoarding. But even if it took six years, you DID use it so if you are like me, you can move yourself out of the hoarding column and onto the vindicated frugal column. 🤣😂

[@davids5006]

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna add them to my metal roof over my patio. Good info

[@JorgeAguilar714]

Sam, its important to note that when installing these connectors, the screw length is not the same for all holes. The screws on the face of the bracket (what is going straight into the ridge) are 1.5in screws while the ones driven diagonally should be 2.5 inches. Simpson has a great website that has detailed installation instructions which specify how many screws/nails and what sizes you need to achieve the advertised load rating. I have a positive placement gun for hanger install, but prefer the screws as they seem to not make the wood explode when you drive 8 nails in close proximity, although the tradeoff is that screws are slower.

[@sambam97]

Screws can be the same length, if you nail them is where it needs to be different lengths

[@kellycarroll6829]

I love this building.

[@Samcraftcom]

Thanks!!

[@carolannbolinger3795]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing

[@jesusislord2457]

Don't you love it when a plan comes together? Bravo 👏🎉🎆🎇

[@pfmcdermott1]

Nice Hannibal reference!

[@tracyboyd4867]

Well I kinda glad you did a separate video on this Sam it was very satisfying to watch you put them up all at once...I used screws in mine nearly 40 years ago and they still good I have a few timbers to replace but using screws makes them easier to replace...have a good week...

[@Samcraftcom]

This was my first time using the screws and I don't expect to ever go back to the nails! :)

[@cheriethompson7725]

Thank you for sharing.

[@Samcraftcom]

My pleasure!

[@AD-hr4is]

Yore the first one i see installing the twist strap correctly. Bravo.

[@bryanwiley7345]

Great job brother, it's looking good!!!

[@ronnorris1504]

Glad to see you back

[@georgew8586]

Had a coworker 10 yrs ago, complain about having to install these brackets, hurricane, we live in the pacific north west, a couple years later we had 50-65mph winds, they live much higher elevation, even higher wind gust, they were real happy then to have used the brackets.

[@roblehmann2378]

Looks good Sam, and thanks for your videos, u do and enjoy watching them.

[@lancejasper3272]

Never used the diamond plates. I have used the twist plates often when I lived down south. It looks like the correct way to put them on to me. Looking forward to seeing more videos on the build.

[@jonhcontreras]

you explain things well...🙂

[@lorenmeyer5290]

Great job Sam!

[@b4ugo2hll]

Just a note. If you are in a cold climate the ties should be installed on the exterior. If you are installing on a house and the walls are going to be drywalled. The clips will create just a slight amount of condensation during the winter months. This condensation will attract dust/smoke etc. and turn dark. This will show up on your painted walls within the first winter. There will be a dark spot every 16-24” at the tops of your painted walls

[@Og-Judy]

Don't think hurricane straps are required up here in Wisconsin .

[@cchemmes-seeseeart3948]

To remember: use strong drive connector screws; structural screws. I'm an artist, learning sculpture, & use all kinds of materials in out of the ordinary ways, outside traditional building. But I'm learning good practices from such videos, like how a screw is not always just a screw.

[@MrRickoscar]

Nice ,, Thanks.

[@TheLpjoe]

Joist hanger nails and a 30.00 harbor freight palm nailer. Crazy fast and easy. Just did this 2 days ago.

[@BadAppleWoodwerx]

Speaking from an Architectural design background, yes there is a preferred mounting direction. It is correct that Simpson states that they can be used on the inside or the outside and facing either way, because the sheer strength of them works in any direction. However, setting that aside, you want to install them on the inside, because then they are better protected from the elements. 👍

[@ericjohnson1008]

One of these days I have to finish one of my ongoing projects. Keep doing what you do and y'all will be done before you know it.

[@MattLaClear]

Looking good, Sam.

[@Samcraftcom]

Thanks!

[@HalfAssHomestead]

The fins should always face inside of the building. One reason is for the inspection should you need one, but the main one is to keep them out of any potential weather damage. Even zinc coated metal will rust over time if the conditions are right.

[@michaelsnell4034]

those screws are slick. I had to use boxes of N10 nails. Eventually i used a palm nailer. the last time I did those in construction, we had a palm nailer that fed sleeves of the nails. Probably was more expensive, but the speed made up for it.

[@RiggerBrew]

When I built a chicken shed 12x12, I used gusseted rafters to cut down on the amount of strong ties needed. all I had to do was add in some blocking to keep the rafters spaced correctly and only had to use the hurricane ties on the rafter tails to top plate. The saw fits are open for ventilation and the sheds ben through sustained 80 mph winds with no issues.

[@JerryXM991]

whats a saw fit?

[@markp2865]

@@JerryXM991 Probably means soffit which is the vent under the eaves.

[@WeaponOut]

I did a combination of screws and nails for my build. 2-4 screws per bracket depending on the type to get it mounted and finish it off with nails when ready (e.g., confirming all is good and nothing needs to move).

[@walkintall9000]

Looks like it would be a lot easier to get to those screws that go in the side of the rafters if it’s turned out like you did them rather than trying to get over the plate to drive the screws in. I’m going to be using them today thanks to your video. The wind blew out the side off my barn because it didn’t have anything holding it in place. I never knew about these until I watched your video. Thanks!

[@19Photographer76]

Well Sam, you certainly have it 'buttoned' down! I won't even ask how much your screw invoice was...

[@Samcraftcom]

Not too bad... then again, don't make me add it up. LOL

[@icmpeko]

Holup -you built a workshop from engraving coasters?!!! 🍺🤯👍

[@armidaperez5360]

👍more useful information 😃 It's coming together soon we'll be able to see videos coming out of there.

[@Samcraftcom]

Hope so! :)

[@TheHobbyShop1]

I’ve always installed them with the ears facing the center of the building. I had honestly never thought to do it the other way. I think with the ears facing out it might make it a bit harder to nail or screw but should still be doable.

[@MrHowieZ1973]

If you ever try and take an old pool deck apart, you will find out just how good these tie-downs are. lol

[@lechatbotte.]

Auntie em auntie em I don’t hunk we’re in Kansas anymore. While high winds are possible where you are hurricanes aren’t. The occasional tornado is. Personally if a nader were coming I’d be worried about other things but that’s me. Still I love watching all of this. Nails are better when it comes to sheer force strength but screws are definitely faster and easier and your arms won’t look like Popeyes lol

[@Samcraftcom]

These screws are specially designed and approved for this use. :) www.strongtie.com/strongdrive_exteriorwoodscrews/sd_screw/p/strong-drive-sd-connector-screw

[@audreywy1743]

I've been following this shed build for my project but I didn't see you use these so I checked with a GC YT page I follow & he had a shed build that I watched. He used the diamond bracket in the opposite direction from how you did. His videos didn't say why, I was just assuming that's just how you use them. We used the nails vs the screws because they have a stronger shear strength & we're in florida, don't need to risk things. lol

[@jr6281]

Did you ever frame out/close up the soffits? Would love to see what you did.

[@guybowers9094]

I used the hurricane ties in my shop addition and they are required by code here but ready and quick to install

[@Samcraftcom]

Bingo! Same reason I installed them here. Building codes. :)

[@joelbrown4110]

Very good. Its looks like you may have missed the rafter ties on the gable ends.

[@robertbates5537]

Hurricane ties face in per our local inspector when he inspected my construction project

[@mick5740]

Awesome video. Now how do those rafter sit secure until you do this ? Im about to get my 2x4 rafters on my little mudroom lean to

[@TheWoodHaven]

Gotta be honest. I've been toying with putting the diamond brackets facing the outside. The only thing stopping me is how that would affect the siding up top. I plan to use the Strong Tie lag screws on mine too. That's what I used on the floor joists.

[@Samcraftcom]

That would be where the nails have the advantage -- flat heads vs. the screw hex heads..

[@TheWoodHaven]

@@Samcraftcom good point.

[@rapidrecovery1545]

Great stuff. Thanks! With the rafters directly across from one another on the main beam, how do you get the rafter saddles to go on opposite sides without the screws hitting each other? It seems that the screws would be in the exact same spot on opposite sides and hit each other going through the main beam. Also, if you have those ties on the inside, how do you sheetrock over those giant heads on those screws?

[@joebiker8466]

I use plywood gussets for all tha corners, cheaper and stronger than tin.

[@chrisvanweele6641]

There is left and right hand twist rafter ties. Don't use the screws if you are planning to finish the walls on the inside, the heads will hold wall material out. If you install ties on the outside use longer nails on the top plate portion so the grab the framing.

[@mountainman441]

I’ve been telling people that Simpson must of had a really good lobbyist for all their products to be put into the building codes,

[@martinparmer]

Agreed. I can see the need for the ties at the walls but those at the ridge poll? No, sorry. The whole point of a rafter roof like that is t he fact that the rafters pressing against each other is incredibly strong. There's hundreds of roofs out there without those that are fine and will be long after we're gone.

[@mountainman441]

@@martinparmer I can see where you may need them for trusses but rafters don’t need them, I remember when they came out with these and thought what a crock of s$&! Was long before I set trusses and I know that if there is a natural disaster that these will not help you, plenty of proof looking at newly built homes that have been hit .

[@martinparmer]

@@mountainman441 Yeah, I didn't think about truss roofs because I always stick build. Good point.

[@sheilameagher3675]

Well they are not code in Canada and we lose a few communities a year to high winds, tornadoes and hurricanes. They should be code as 'an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.'

[@tigerbalm666]

Bart says, "Use Ninja Stars!"

[@SuperRj189]

As to installing the Simpson Ties on the inside or the outside of the wall, Simpson states, on their website, that either side is acceptable. My decision was to install on the outside because the soffit material would hide the ties from view and, there is more rafter material to attach to on the outside of the building wall. My trusses have the truss base on the inside. …..just my humble opinion.

[@awlthatwoodcrafts8911]

Well done, Sam. Now when a tornado blows through, the whole building will be picked up off it's foundation. But the roof will still be attached! Lol Just curious, are you planning any roof venting for those warm days?

[@Samcraftcom]

The best I can do is give someone else the whole shed. :) LOL Oh yes, I need to plan for some ventilation very soon. Probably going to be a gable vent, but not decided between that or the ceiling spinny vent things. :)

[@leahr.2620]

I'm no ventoligest but those spinny turbine things can sqeak sometimes and be a little annoying, just putting it out there😉😃

[@Samcraftcom]

Oh boy... that would drive me crazy! LOL :)

[@daviddarnell8898]

Both ways are correct according to a KZbin video about them from Strongtie.

[@taylorbynam1929]

I would think as long as you mount the diamond brackets the same way on both sides they would offset the difference. If the building is getting pushed over, one would be pulling and one would be pushing if mounted the same way..🤷‍♂️

[@coltponcia4304]

FYI on your rafter hangers, the two angled holes require a 16 nail to toe nail through the rafter and into the ridge. Those short screws aren’t correct.

[@bradenmackinnon336]

Do you not need a HT on both sides of the rafters??

[@werquantum]

I'm going to take a shot at your question: I say the diamond brackets may be installed either direction, depending on what side of the wall you're going to be on when installing. And if you've already sheathed the roof, then you really only have one easy way to install them--and that's the way you did. I'm also going to guess that not only can you flip them around, but you can fasten them to either side of the wall. So, there would be four ways to do it.

[@krisknowlton5935]

How many hurricanes do you expect in Tennessee? But then you may live near Etowah.

[@brianherald5756]

You move pretty good for a big guy

[@tommychong1173]

At home Depot they are usually sold out of the box they came in there is a picture of how they are used

[@Samcraftcom]

Alas!! Home Depot beats Lowe's again! :)

[@michaelkelso1407]

Best wee D I Y man on the planet

[@bigal25938]

You can turn the diamond plate around and get it out of your way.

[@salg-1980]

They should face outside. This is only because my house, my brothers house and 2 houses currently being constructed have them facing out.

[@rfrye73]

If you look at simpson ties it showes them on the inside . buit as long as they are used i dont think it matters, have seen both ways, but mostly in

[@bradmartin8135]

The are not approved hurricane straps. They must go over the top of the truss and connect to the walls with at least 2 approved nails.

[@punjabseth260]

👌👌🏻

[@speedlover271]

What are the lengths of the screws please?

[@watahyahknow]

think the only thing important is that these things hold the pieces together , having the flange facing out or in shouldnt matter unless theres sumting preventing you from driving the screws in or get too close with said screws to the end and possibly causing the beam to split

[@terryhenderson424]

Do any of your brackets have a price sticker on them? My guess is there has been as much if jot more inflation with these as metal fence posts!

[@Samcraftcom]

I didn't see any, but no doubt they've gone up! Everything's going up, but our pay rate, huh.

[@wind5250]

I just use Timberlok structural screws , they are code approved , quicker , and cheaper over all.

[@edbouhl3100]

Simpson has truss/structural screws too. I agree they are much faster and often stronger.

[@HalfAssHomestead]

Sam, no impact driver? If you draw the screws beyond simply tight, they will not hold against that fictional hurricane....lol

[@DuchesnesCorner]

Required for code in Alberta if you are gonna permit and insure the building. But not alowed screws here...

[@Samcraftcom]

Bummer they don't allow the screws. They're so much easier to install! These screws are specially designed and approved for this use. :) www.strongtie.com/strongdrive_exteriorwoodscrews/sd_screw/p/strong-drive-sd-connector-screw

[@HunterHunter93]

Hi how are the fisrt ones called?

[@fredrobinson6990]

I noticed the screw heads protruding out, how are you going to cover with Sheetrock or plywood after you insulate?

[@dalecherry4044]

They put sheetrock on metal studs all the time and they have screws on every stud. In the end, it just doesn't matter.

[@huejanus5505]

@@dalecherry4044 The wafer head screws for metal studs are very flat, so no problem. If you use a regular drywall screw instead the drywall will crack/buckle if you put screw it in within a few inches of it.

[@dalecherry4044]

@@huejanus5505 if you sink drywall screws they are just as flat if not flatter. Been there done that.

[@fredrobinson6990]

I still do not understand your answer. The heads of the screws you’re using protrudes out, by the looks of it, about 1/8” to 1/4” out. How are you going to nail Sheetrock on top of that without the Sheetrock cracking?

[@Samcraftcom]

Whenever I get to that point (seems a long ways off still) I'll play it by ear. :)

[@edbouhl3100]

Lots of evidence in these comments of the old adage, “When everything else fails, read the directions.”

[@TobyCostaRica]

Looks like these can’t be installed in a Tuffshed without an attic that will be finished? Those screw heads look like it would get in the way of drywall

[@kubandude]

Did you forget your end rafters?

[@roblehmann2378]

Sam are u going too sheet rock your shop? If so your screws may interfere when hanging your sheet rock.

[@Samcraftcom]

I'm not sure what the eventual wall covering will be in the workshop. I'll cross the screw head bridge when I get to it. :)

[@roblehmann2378]

@@Samcraftcom will don't be like me and say, oh dang now I got to start over again...lol

[@roblehmann2378]

I'm working on a 14'x28' building for my self, and wired it up and sheet rocking it now. Just did not want to get in trouble with your sheeting.

[@davidvdbergen]

Hurricane straps? like that whole shed will stay in place in a hurricane...lol

[@Samcraftcom]

That's their name. :)

[@StephanHerzog]

Make sure to screw the plates in, nails are a devil to remove

[@edbouhl3100]

Agree, and I’m not good enough to not have to correct my mistakes.

[@clydedecker765]

Now for tying the walls to the floor/foundation ...zip ties are NOT approved. My vote -- ears IN toward the inside more difficult to bend and pull out too.

[@purpguy69]

Looks BEEFEN!

[@EngineerMikeF]

U'r missing the top/Pl.-to-roof blocking to nail off the roof perimeter & connection of blocking to the top plate. Just fyi

[@MsJWheels]

Saw a lot of nails missed the rafter. Can tell you were hurrying.

[@ronaldchurch6356]

If it goes thru a hurricane, it is not gonna matter.

[@Samcraftcom]

Well yeah... this is a requirement of our building codes too. Plus good building practice to do. :)

[@bobharveythercanddiyguy22]

Hi Sam, if you could show me how to build the building you are building while making progress on the building being built, that would be great! I plan on building a building close to another building that will have other buildings next to it.

[@HalfAssHomestead]

Go back in the series. He videos the whole build start to finish

[@bobharveythercanddiyguy22]

@@HalfAssHomestead I know, I was playin on his use of the word building in the beginning, lol

[@Samcraftcom]

LOLOL Love it!!

[@bigal25938]

The brackets I purchased have holes too small. Only No 6 screws fit in them.

[@jamiemorgan4146]

I thought that the screws wood split the wood without drilling pilot holes. I was right.

[@dannydaugherty527]

I will stay put, the building in my area doesn't require hurricane brackets and other things like that to put up a building. I worked in the mobile home industry and I build my buildings like them because it was stated to me, take your house and put it on a frame and go down the road at 60 miles an hour and see what happens, a regular house will blow apart the mobile home will stay together because they are made for being moved and none of my buildings have fallen apart yet

[@polymetric2614]

I don't understand why we have to put all this stuff chaining our sheds to the ground. I, for one, think it would be totally rad to have a flying shed. Set it free. Sheds were not meant to live in captivity like this

[@markdegray568]

The use of screws is illegal. Its also not nearly as strong. The hanger nails are rated for shear strength and any food inspector will fail you if it's done using screws.

[@markdegray568]

Lol I mean good inspector. Not food inspector

[@edbouhl3100]

Simpson is very clear which of their connections can use their screws. Both nail and screw strength is backed up by testing. What jurisdiction are those inspectors from?

[@joey-cn6mt]

Why do you make your set cut so big??? If you are going to drywall it you are going to have to cut your bords!. If you make your set cut 3.1/2" you're drywall will fit with no soffit🤔

[@44biggdogg]

Simpson book says install h2.5 and h10 on the exterior of the wall...

[@twoweary]

Just because there’s a bunch of holes in the bracket doesn’t mean you have to put a screw in each one. 3 screws top and bottom would be plenty strong. I might be cheap but I’m also practical.

[@Samcraftcom]

While not applicable to this workshop/shed build, a lot of inspectors will fail you if they're not installed correctly. Most require all holes have fasteners in them. All depends on who you get and what they look at. :)

[@SM-ok3sz]

4:10 That screw did not sound good going in...

[@dalecherry4044]

I have never felt those ties were worth a darn. In my opinion the strap should go from the rafter all the way to the sill plate to do any good. Just my opinion. Too many joints in between.

[@clarapappas1829]

So a completely off the wall comment that has nothing to do with the shed. Sam you realized you said “building” 7 times on the first 57 seconds. LOL just keeping it light. 🤪

[@Samcraftcom]

I think the first two were accidental, then by the third I realized what I did, then decided to make it a punch line all at once. It's rare that something like that happens! :)

[@clarapappas1829]

@@Samcraftcom sure and it figures that nosey Clara would pick up on it and announce it to the world. Sorry 😞

[@justlookn88]

Well now, viewers will go back & see if you counted right 😂 and that should be good for Sam, no?

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

I am not in favor of these brackets! Why you ask? Every fastener that you use compromises the structural integrity of the adjoining structure. I know a lot of you are going to disagree!. To me some beady eyed glasses wearing kid came up with this concept to push more building code regulations! Just like arc fault breakers in a house!

[@edbouhl3100]

It matters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYvKfoOQjNuXiqssi=VAnxexVXiCMbHyii

[@thechannelineverwanted7323]

"beady eyed glasses wearing kid" You must be fun at parties.

[@shawnwilt7196]

I love you videos. I have a question. Iam about to redskins my shed with T1-11. What would you suggest as paint or stain or whatever to best weatherproof T1-11? Thanks for your videos.

[@tigerbalm666]

You forgot to pre-drill the holes...and yo uspent 2X the cost of nails....

[@danbowley9376]

What a waste of time and money. The whole thing will blow away in a tornado, not tied to the ground

[@Funyun64]

you might want to go back a few episodes Dan. He did anchor the shed to the ground.

[@stephenhcharlton]

I like your channel but sometimes fined them to. Much obvious info, not enough old style content. Most of your watchers know how to but are just trying to follow your journey like before. Again can’t wish you all the best but little tedious now

[@Samcraftcom]

I have found the opposite is true over the years creating content. People who know, don't come here to learn. After the immediate viewing by subscribers, the long term viewership and eventual majority will be here to learn and want to know all the details.

[@stephenhcharlton]

@@Samcraftcom that is a very fair point Sam maybe we just miss the interaction between your self and the family lol we wish you all the best for the future

[@MakeMySanctuary]

Never use screws on stuff like that, that snap in earthquakes instead of flex.