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[@RealRoyalty]

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[@Headpfones]

Real Royalty I was wanting to ask if you could do a documentary on Katharine of Aragon. Ever since I first started to learn about her she had become my idol and I would love to learn more about her

[@tonistark4169]

Real Royalty I think I might have asked this before but if you haven’t and I’ll check on YT, but could you do an expose’ of Mary, Queen of Scot’s please? There’s a lot made of Mary AND her cousin, Elizabeth I, but not much is known about Mary’s life out there about her life once at Hollyrood Castle, her half brother James, her relationship with David Rizzio, her courtship of Elizsbeth’s love Dudley that she sent to marry Mary, her REAL marriage to Darnley and MORE on the death of Darnley, her plot with Bothwell to kill Darnley and the casket letters which sealed Mary’s fate. In regards to Mary Boleyn, who was known as the Great Prostitute, apparently made out the best considering her Father pimped out both Mary and Anne for his financial and political gain. I didn’t know Mary lived out a wealthy life considering she married as you said without permission of her sister the Queen nor Anne’s Father, to a commoner, a soldier. I didn’t think you, as a woman in those times, could inherit the family fortune as it were even though Dad died disgraced. George was a scapegoat for a charge of incest IMO, just to further add charges to Anne including witchcraft she could not escape. Was George Boleyn gay as portrayed in the Tudors? I’m sure that subject as broached with David Rizzio in Reign was so taboo that I’m sure little was ever even known about it much less written accounts about it. I did enjoy your video on these 2 ladies. Mary who started out mocked and scorned for being a mistress and poor Anne who lost her head for love, it was Mary who really got the best and last laugh of them all. But in reality I wish Anne had lived to see her daughter become the first female successful reigning Monarch Elizabeth I. Mary’s decedent is the current Elizabeth, Queen of England?? Wow. Great video!

[@marystephens5741]

My Morley family

[@taraclark5916]

@@Headpfones p

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[@Galen-864]

I always felt so sorry for poor Queen Katherine - how humiliating for a woman of her status to be thrown away like she was nothing, and her child too.

[@luvprue1]

I always felt sorry for Queen Katherine too. I especially felt sorry for Mary.

[@januarysson5633]

Katherine of Aragon is my favorite of Henry’s wives.

[@NCKrypotonite33]

@@januarysson5633 Mines too!

[@t.l.1610]

Elizabeth Kraszewski Right, how different would the world have been if Katherine’s son had lived? Interesting to think how things would’ve been though had Henry & Katherine remained married.

[@NCKrypotonite33]

@@elizabethkraszewski6603 Henry was still very much a catholic when he died. He spearheaded this solely to get an annulment from Katherine. The protestant church gained more ground during his son Edwards VI reign, being that Edward was brought up solely in that faith. I firmly stand by Katherine's decision to stick up for herself and her daughter.

[@shaunwhalen6653]

Too bad Henry didn't know he was the one who determined the sex .

[@juliehunt9665]

Can you imagine the look on his face -- her eggs come only in the female sex, Henry, while yours come in female and male!

[@Fallenfromgrace1990]

Exactly what I said.

[@dizzymindy6024]

So, it should have been his head on the chopping block.

[@loisb.5814]

So true..... I would love to rub his nose in soooo soooo many things!!! x

[@islandgirl9479]

I just said the same thing. Men's chromosomes determine the sex of the baby. Why do women have to suffer the consequences for not bearing sons to the king. Maybe; if FAT ASS Henry had some 4play with Ann she would of had a boy. The longer the 4 play the better the Sex. GOD DON'T LET YOU BRING CHILDREN TO THIS WORLD IF YOUR THE DEVIL IN DISGUISE. JUST LIKE THE LIONS IN THE WILD MATE FOR THREE DAYS TO THE LIONESSES ALL DAY TO GET THEM PREGNANT.🐅 Dont act like you didn't watch ANIMALS in WILD..Js

[@dannsherstone1037]

With this Henry it was much safer to be a mistress than a wife.

[@carterbentonjr399]

Correction it is safer not to get noticed and if noticed it was safer to be with child.

[@dannsherstone1037]

@@carterbentonjr399 true

[@Theturtleowl]

More likely to survive!

[@dancingwithmyhands4419]

D'Ann Sherstone Dulcelina Cabral sorry to rock the boat but it’s not only the male that determines the sex of a child. We’ve learned it’s a bit more complicated including the ph of vaginal environment...so We can’t actually say it’s ONLY King Henry that determined the sex his issue.....

[@dannsherstone1037]

@@dancingwithmyhands4419 I don't think they knew that then. It was all the woman's fault.

[@alaylaburkhart5940]

When you think about it, Mary got the last laugh. She survived and outsmarted a Tyrant, married the love of her life, and one of her descendants ended up winning the crown anyway. Funny how life works sometimes.

[@saikeenra]

@Memcha Laishram It's extremely unlikely. He had one illegitimate son (Henry FitzRoy) with his mistress Elizabeth Blount and it was such a big deal for him he tried to have the boy legitimised. He was so desperate for a male heir - any male heir - that it's hard to imagine he would have completely ignored "hundreds" of them if he had any.

[@leaesser4036]

You are right she did get the last laugh but none of her descendants ended up on the throne. I really dont understand why this documentary says so. Mary and Queen Elizabeth the Second are certainly not related. So confusing!

[@yahatz]

@@leaesser4036 They are related through Henry. Elizabeth the first is Anne Boylan's daughter and Mary is Catharine 's daughter. Both of girls father's is Henry. If you mean Mary of Scots. She is a Stuart who are cousins of the Tudor

[@robinlillian9471]

Mary did NOT have any children. She died childless. She doesn't have any descendants. Mary Queen of Scots was a descendant of one of Henry VIII's sisters.

[@yahatz]

I disagree. Mary followed the status quo. She let Henry use her and throw her away. If you call that outsmarting a tyrant, then I guess you must also call every other mistress smart. Survival is a guarentee if you bow your head and live your life following what men in society say. Mary wanted to survive in society so in short she got it. Anne wanted to thrive in society . She got married to guy by getting him to divorce his wife and breaking away from the Roman church. She also gave birth to one if the most celebrated queen in history. Her daughter is a queen whose reign is remembered as being golden. I would more agree with Anne having the last laugh because even if Henry didn't believe in her daughter despite disposing her and marrying another who gave him a son. Her daughter brought more glory to her family aka Henry's name than her rivals daughter (Elizabeth sister)or her other rivals son . That was his big obsession and it came from the women he beheaded. Yes, marrying the love of your life is a big deal. But Mary not only had been married before and was the king's mistress. So of course the only guy who would except her is the guy who loves her. If you mean Queen Mary of Scots, I don't think she really got the last laugh. Her later later relatives (aka king charles) gets beheaded. The last laugh belongs currently king Richard 3 whom the current queen is the relative of. I do which Elizabeth had a daughter or a son. All the children of Henry became unstable, controlling and had people with motives to kill them. Henry spent most of his life blaming women for not having son's and his harsh behavior to the women in a way offset his children behavior and their relationships with each other and other people. Their behavior which they got from their power loving father cost them ironically their power.

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

It’s an incredible irony that while Henry was so obsessed with having a son, it was his daughter Elizabeth that ended up being one of the greatest British monarchs.

[@loralieisa]

His line of succession also ended with her because he decapitated her mother. Much safer to stay single as a woman in medieval times.

[@issywilly1988]

Exactly!!! The irony of it all

[@a.walters123]

Yes, and Anne in a way had the last laugh. She lived on in her daughter, and Elizabeth was one of the greatest monarchs in British history, Henry never got the son he wanted to reign in his place.

[@winniedhaouadi1973]

I Hope hé see that from heaven A very good queen

[@elhombredeoro955]

@@winniedhaouadi1973 she must be burning in hell

[@samdasilva1914]

For anyone who has studied British history nothing much new here. Henry, Henry, Henry, no real mention of how the Boleyn sisters own father and uncle ruthlessly used them for personal ambition and advancement though.

[@prince6a]

The same happened to another Howard family member: Katherine.

[@katerobins3137]

There's absolutely no evidence that Thomas Boleyn and Thomas Howard pimped out lady Anne and lady Mary to Henry. And there's also no evidence that Thomas Howard pimped out Katherine Howard.

[@rebellyanmagic6409]

@@katerobins3137 That was how 'The Tudors' tv show depicted it IRL.

[@jeffmode6526]

MARY AND Anne's Uncle and Father disgust me. MARY and Anne were sold like cattle for their Uncle and Father's advancement. MARY GOT TOSSED ASIDE after having Henry two children who he never acknowledged. ANNE WAS EXECUTED on Tower Green.

[@asiasmith6294]

@@katerobins3137 Thomas Howard served as one of the judges in Anne’s Trial. He found her guilty along with the others knowing that she’s was innocent of the charges; Mind you he was her one of her biggest advocates to marry Henry. When Anne suffered her miscarriages and their marriage deteriorated, he turned on her in an effort to save his own skin realizing she was no longer an asset to the family. Just a little perspective for you 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@shellyhill6804]

Anne played the cards she was dealt. She may have overplayed a time or two, but she did it as skillfully as possible under duress. I really respect her.

[@writer1986]

The two sisters did what women in those days did to ensure they’d never starve and be financially cared for: become a mistress. And Anne just had bigger dreams for herself: become lady of the house not mistress.... I don’t think either of them were whores or culprits.

[@marymeeks6680]

The comments are more interesting than the doc.

[@lindatimmons3675]

Writer1986....i have to agree with you.

[@Diabolos1007]

In the end Henry VIII was one the most disgusting and lustful man in the history of British Monarchy

[@colleta2400]

LOL---Wow you are reading to many off novels. Anne's family were affluent and titled these girls did not become Mistresses to avoid "Starving to death" their socioeconomic structure guaranteed titled marriages, wealth, and will not go as far as to say happiness but compared to the majority of the population living in squalor they had better chance at it.

[@thomasbaye4805]

@@Diabolos1007 no he just needed sons . he had no trouble having them with the free ladies of the nite

[@florenceobura3328]

Yet she bore one of England’s greatest monarchs. How ironic.

[@serling3520]

Lmao

[@lisaahmari7199]

I have found that most historians call Elizabeth l THE most important and MOST successful of all British monarchs throughout history (including Elizabeth ll.)

[@poshoween]

and it was elizabeth herself that ended the tudor line, the very thing that henry was afraid of 😅

[@KellyfromMemphisDD214]

Was about to say that myself!

[@MariaPerez-qx1lp]

Hahaha 🤣 that was total Luck!! Elizabeth got to be Queen all thanks to sister Mary, who choose not to kill her like the 🐶 she really was and pardoned her life!! cunning and manipulative just like Oh yes her own Mother Anne. Just for that Mary I, must be in heaven with her mother Catherine.

[@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289]

I know I probably couldn't refuse the King, but God, Henry was ugly. Yes, I have seen portraits of him as a younger man, and I still find him repulsive looking. Maybe it's the red hair, I don't know, but yeah, to me he would have done nothing for me physically.

[@luvprue1]

If I was Anne I would have bargained for a title for me and my child/children I might have with the king,and for him to find a husband for me.

[@NightFeline]

The Tudor portraits are not very accurate. All guys look the same, all ladies look the same... Also, the beauty standards were different. Back then, it was said about Henry that he was the most handsome prince in all Christendom. He was tall and athletic, so according to the age standards, he must have been considered as really good looking. He started gaining weight after the jousting accident in 1536. But I know what you mean. I'm not very found of red haired guys, nor blond guys, either :))

[@TuizaLilia]

Also at the time he was with Anne, he had bad health, bad wound that didn't heal on his leg and it was written he smelled like a rotten corpse so bad courtiers could smell him from two rooms away! Imagine having sex with a man like that...

[@NightFeline]

@@TuizaLilia that was after 1536, when the jousting accident happened. He used to be tall and athletic until then. It was poor Catherine Howard who had to deal with what you describe, and then Catherine Parr.

[@bridgettehutton646]

He was ugly both inside and out and he was mad rass, may be syphilis infested. Everything about him makes me sick and want to vomit!!!

[@miekadegerness67]

Being a woman in Henry's Time . Would be Better Off Being a Nun . Being A Nun Anne would have Kept Her Head . Marrying Henry Anne Lost Her life and her head

[@ariien]

But we would not have had Queen Elizabeth :)

[@richardkranium2944]

And helped bring people away from Catholicism. Helped in creation of Church of England. Would have never happened without her. Whether it’s viewed as a good thing or bad, it was due to her influence. Being a nun wasn’t for her, she wasn’t catholic.

[@richardkranium2944]

Elizabeth Kraszewski I realize Catholicism was the pretty much the only Christian faith at that time. Even Martin Luther was catholic.

[@samdasilva1914]

Maybe, buy Anne did not want to be nun, she wanted to be Queen

[@KaylaNoelle1]

At least if you were a nun from a wealthy family you would be able to study and write plays and poetry. You could just nerd out for the rest of your life. That would be the only life worth living back then for a woman, unless you happened to find a wealthy husband who cares about you, and even then you would be pregnant constantly and probably die from that...

[@poutinedream5066]

If I found out I was next in line for the throne, I'd be packing my shit disappearing that night.

[@lilacsunshine3044]

lol.

[@acquatico4242]

Yeah same, I wouldn't be ready for that

[@mtgsk5180]

LOLLLL

[@MsLogjam]

I watched Helena Bonham Carter play Jane Grey back in the 80s and all I could think of during her honeymoon scenes with Cary Elwes was, 'run, Jane, run.' If she and Guilford had fled England and laid low for a year or two in Germany or Holland when Ed VI died, they could never have been caught up in their parents' machinations.

[@Arandomperson_online]

Lmao exactly

[@lnworlddomination]

The birth of Elizabeth wasn't as much of a catastrophe as it's made out to be. Yes, Henry and Anne were disappointed, but they were positive that sons would follow in the future. Elizabeth's birth was still celebrated, even though the celebrations were smaller than they would've been for a boy. But I really enjoyed the video overall! I'm looking forward to more videos like this :)

[@mariahdougherty9295]

yes! I read that it was celebrated because it proved she could produce children!

[@jeffmode6526]

Elizabeth became England's greatest Queen. Henry didn't Know how great a Queen Elizabeth was.

[@marylouleeman]

It cracks me up that after all this, Henry went ahead and legitimized women onto the throne, allowing Mary then Elizabeth I to rule.

[@isitoveryet9525]

I mean, it ultimately cost Anne her life….so “catastrophe” so to Anne, it was catastrophic.

[@tamara_diamonds422]

@@jeffmode6526 We know we know we know

[@Pookie1-q2w]

It's so sad that anne boleyn was executed for having affairs but she was one of the affairs of king Henry... what a weird time 😬

[@chanelle2819]

Yet the social "norms" of that era regarding women still exists today.

[@smithamy1982]

She couldn’t have had any of the alleged affairs, she was executed over. The dates in question, she was proven to be elsewhere. She refused to be Henry’s mistress which resulted in their marriage.

[@tilesetter1953]

It's the old double standard.

[@dawne5139]

There was no truth to her affairs. She was framed.

[@WeRNthisToGetHer]

Weird times then? Things aren't much different today. Princess Di... hello???

[@ipshita5147]

The worst thing is the fact that the accusations against Anne were not even proven to be guilty. Yet she took the punishment as every inch of a queen she was crowned.

[@shellc6743]

Vile Human

[@colleta2400]

Except for the time she went bonkers in her cell and starting jabbering insanity which made her appear guilty.

[@ITEEZ-]

@@colleta2400 proof?

[@Elizabeth-uj8vn]

She had no choice but to succumbed to her demise

[@colleta2400]

She was crowned over the misery and death of Catherine even celebrating the night Catherine died. She also blubbering and had a psychotic break saying things that contributed to her lack of defense. No she was not Guilty, however, none of the above describes accepting death as a Queen....We know understand in Psychology were the mind was walking to the axe.

[@deborahthunderhawk5569]

Henry threw away his wives like disposable diapers. Jane Seymore passed away, if she had lived, he would've tired of her and got rid of her sooner or later.

[@celestielsigh]

Nope, Jane gave him a son. Her position was secure for the rest of her life

[@colleta2400]

Constitutionally it would have been difficult to get rid of her because she was mother of a future king.

[@annastinehammersdottir1290]

No he wouldn't and best of all he could go back to just having mistresses on the side.

[@lilacsunshine3044]

@@celestielsigh Maybe, But the boy died at about 15, He may have thought he didn't count after he died just like he wrote off his firstborn son Henry,.

[@lilacsunshine3044]

We can't know for sure. But after the horrible way, he treated his true wife Catherine of Aragon( basically she died of a broken heart and prob neglect)..... and having offed Ann it was prob getting easier to find excuses to get rid of an unwanted queen,. It may have been harder for him to shake her off but from what I read and heard if he got bored and annoyed enough I wouldn't put it past him. to find some way.@@annastinehammersdottir1290

[@amandadean3948]

Henry knew Anne was being set up. He married Jane before Anne’s body was cold in the ground. Does that seem like a man who needed time to get over the shock that his wife had betrayed him?? Also, Anne and Mary were sisters so they’re “descendants” would still be the same blood line. Not sure why that ending is acting like it would be separate?

[@colleta2400]

Step-sisters and royal, therefore, not raised in the same household. Historically the religion defined them and because this was a period of religious fervor the division between Catholic vs Protestant did in fact separate families,

[@Elly3981]

I really think that not only did Henry knew Anne was innocent, he probably had those accusations against her fabricated himself so he could get rid of her for not having a son and because he was bored of her. Karma got him good, though. Henry died a slow and painful death from his many illnesses and not one of his male heirs survived. Even his daughters never gave him any grandchildren to continue his line. The Tudor dynasty died with Elizabeth.

[@colleta2400]

Henry was a sociopath and Anne over confident in her control over him. He dismissed her like he dismissed anyone that no longer served his purpose and murdered those that threatened his egomania. I am assuming your just making comment here because I am certain the world is familiar with Henry VIII and the "Why" of killing wives.

[@Elly3981]

@@colleta2400 King Henry went through wives and mistresses like toilet paper. He saw women as nothing more than sex objects or incubators for producing sons. Both Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn did have sons but none of them survived infancy. Henry had to make up charges of adultery to get rid of Anne since he couldn't divorce her on the same grounds as he did with Catherine of Aragon.

[@colleta2400]

Honey you really need to check yourself into a history class and learn. Your lack of education is spewing on your comments. "Sex objects" LOL Dear Lord!!! do you have any clue what century these people lived in? Did you sleep, skip, or decide to get stoned when your teacher was educating everyone else on the mind set of this era/century? A Queen had one duty Amanda and that was to produce an Heir to secure the dynasty and keep the Realm safe. Oh honey go to school, pick up a book, your questions are stereotypical "Air head" your feeling this as if our worlds conscious, values, ethics, morality, you do not understand history. He was king and no Amanda he was without a conscious nor was he the only king to "Off" a wife. A women was a possession and a Queen an alliance. Royalty married countries not for love and if a Queen failed to produce an heir they could be and often were "Returned" if their country of origin would recieve them. Many Queens died suspect deaths as did wives. A women had no value in this society outside producing children and heirs. Even the poor traded daughters for gain (live stock, food) a girl simply had no value.

[@lilianabatista9867]

Henry was an evil man, I would not want to be related to him

[@mamabear9646]

Being related wasn't what got women in a bad situation.

[@trishaaloo5281]

What... this comment makes no sense..

[@QueenlySweetpea]

@Doctor Detroit .. What or who are whammen ?? :/

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@mamabear9646 I know Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were 1st cousins. Jane Seymour was a 2nd cousin to Anne and Catherine as well, but I think I remember reading somewhere that the 3 also were distant cousins to Henry. Since those 3 died because of Henry (Jane indirectly), this comment did kind of work.

[@NightFeline]

@@iloveyourunclebob Henry was related to all of his wives, so all of his wives were related as well.

[@kristenrock1733]

I feel bad for both Anne and Mary .

[@samdasilva1914]

Really, you don't feel sorry for Queen Catherine????

[@kristenrock1733]

@Scorpio Way Just because I said I feel bad for Anne and Mary doesn't mean I feel bad for all of the women he took to bed with . lol If this was a video about Catherine Of Aragon or Cleves and so on I would have said the same thing . I don't mean to sound defensive but this video was about anne and her sister and he treated them both like crap in the end so yea i feel bad for them as all of the ladies he dealt with in his life , including his own daughters who he treated like shit too.

[@christopherstrupp2272]

i fell sorry for henry they drove him to be so so fat

[@kristenrock1733]

He did that all on his own. Henry had a lot and I mean A lot of Mental health issues which made him the way he was in the end . He may have thought that he was cursed due to marrying his brothers wife .Catherine of Aragon , but that was a whole lot of BS. The point being is that , the women that henry chose to sleep with didn't make him the way he was , it was him and his main men who hung around him as well ,and his family makeup . Just because woman speak their truth doesn't make them the source for someone else's problems , whether they are king or not . lol

[@Veronica-bc6pp]

I wish there was a way we could peek into the past to see how these people really looked like!

[@zcam1969]

Anne still has the ""it " factor in 2020

[@soph5669]

David Bowers ❤️👏🏼👏🏼

[@twelfthlady847]

Which I find ironic considering she's the 16th century Camilla Parker Bowles and yet everyone still spits poison at Camilla yet loves Anne Boleyn 😄 Random ramble but I always find that ironic.

[@margo3367]

Twelfth Lady Perhaps because Charles hasn't chopped off Camilla's head. Also, Anne tugs at our heartstrings because she died young. There's a certain fascination with famous people that die an untimely death. You always think, "What if...?"

[@twelfthlady847]

@@margo3367 You're right, figures or events with shocking end always draw mass fascination.

[@margo3367]

Twelfth Lady I was thinking of Marilyn Monroe when I wrote that. If she had lived to be an old lady like Elizabeth Taylor, she would be just a footnote in history and not the iconic figure she has become. She'll stay "forever young.".

[@katemaloney4296]

Between her father and not being able to say "no" to the King, Anne really didn't stand a chance. Was she a schemer? Probably. She may have challenged Henry to prove his "love" for her, but never could realize what would happen when he took up the challenge. Was she hot-tempered, inconsiderate, demanding, rude? Yes. Most women of nobility were. Also, she could have been sweeter than punch, but without a male heir, she would have been disposed of--look at Katharine of Aragon. But Anne brought out the best of the Monarchy to the people by setting up educational programs, charities, and pushed for women's rights. She was a scholar and an authoress. Most importantly, she is the unofficial Mother of the United States of America.

[@GhostnTacos]

How is she the unofficial mother of the United States?

[@alexystaylor7751]

@@GhostnTacos that's what I wondered

[@MacNif]

I've never heard of this unnofficial Mother of the United States of America, please explain.

[@rushamitra335]

Same here

[@jddr555]

Bring the receipts... She wasn't the mother of the USA

[@CeltycSparrow]

I honestly think that's what the Boleyn family did with both daughters. That's how it was done back in that time....when men wanted to make alliances or increase their power, they used their daughters (especially if they were beautiful and a virgin) as pawns to get their own way. The Boleyns were hungry for power and wanted to control the King. They saw a perfect opportunity because Queen Katherine could not produce the son and heir that Henry so desperately craved. So they first put Mary in front of him to be his mistress. And then Anne was put before the King after his interest in Mary waned. The King loved Katherine.....he LUSTED after Anne. He craved her. But she wanted more than a night in his bed. She wanted to be Queen. And the ironic thing is....while Henry had 6 wives altogether, he never got the son and heir he so desperately yearned for....but he DID get a strong successor in the beautiful daughter that Anne gave him....who would become known as the greatest monarch in English history. Queen Elizabeth. Another irony is, Anne thought her happiness and success would be achieved when she became Henry's Queen and gave him the son he so desired. But even when she got her crown, she was lonely and miserable and she kept having miscarriages and she eventually lost both Henry and her own life. Yet her sister, Mary, did the unthinkable....she fell in love with and married William Stafford.....a man who had no money, no land, no title, nothing that would help her or her family rise in power....and yet she was happier living on that humble little farm with William and her children than she ever was in the lavish and opulent years she spent at Court. She found peace and happiness in being a poor man's wife living in the country

[@SNP-1999]

Well said, but you made a mistake saying that despite six wives, Henry never had a male heir. He did, he had a son by Anne's successor, Jane Seymour, who after Henry's death became the King of England as Edward VI.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

That farm in the country looks pretty good. As long as i have enough to eat, something to wear and a place to live, I am good.

[@nicky9441]

I don't know what is truth and what is fiction when it comes to Anne...but I will say I never can believe the charges against her. From what we do know of her, she was smart and outspoken...clearly someone who would not be stupid enough to cheat. I do believe she was a pawn in the grand scheme of things, although I do lay some blame for the way Katherine of Aragon and her daughter, Mary, were treated.

[@amasion2882]

Nicky F : Anne Boleyn never held any real power, as is demonstrated by her rapid fall from grace.

[@luvprue1]

She might not have cheated, but in that time she have had so many guys around her.

[@amasion2882]

Andro mache : It’s unimportant what Anne’s ideas were. Anne had no actual power to implement anything. Henry had the power and made the decisions.

[@pamelaalsop7772]

Mary turned into a monster because of the treatment of her mother. But KOA was a peaceful woman.... pious & fair. I doubt she'd have burned 300 ppl for their religious choice. It's a good thing her pregnancies were "hysterical pregnancies"! She was fanatical...... & cruel.

[@dancingwithmyhands4419]

A Masion I think karma bit Ann on the butt!! She DEMANDED THAT KATHRYN’s window would be passed as she made her wedding procession to Henry! Ann did this ONLY to HURT Kathryn!!! For Ann to boast of her accomplishment of pushing Kathryn out of Henry ‘s bed and their 20 YEAR MARRIAGE!!! For Henry to push through the divorce of his and Kathryn’s marriage and BREAK WITH THE CHURCH CHRIST HIMSELF STARTED to divorce Kathryn and marry Ann...Henry began to wonder if Ann’s inability to give him a son that maybe God was punishing Henry for him having caused a COMPLETE fracture in the Christian church.....maybe he was right....Henry was noticing more that Ann was smart, manipulative, boastful and often cruel to others. I wander if she did sleep with at least one of these men to help her become pregnant with someone’s .... anyone’s male child...

[@joiedevivre2005]

I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn's, through her daughter Catherine Carey, whose daughter Ann Knollys married my ancestor, Sir Thomas West. Her story always fascinated me, even before I found out she was one of my paternal ancestors.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Cool... and may I say, Mary was the better sister. I always liked her more than Anne in the whole story and I think she was also smarter... I think she realised the dangers and did her own thing, at least having some peace of mind instead of living in constant tension from the political games which eventually got her sister killed.

[@thomasbaye4805]

how do u prove it once you know your blood line .

[@elaineshu4749]

Wow! That’s fascinating to know!

[@TheYoli182]

Amazing how did you find that out?

[@joiedevivre2005]

@@TheYoli182 Accidently actually - one of my grandfather's cousins was a historian & traced back our branch of the West family line to our ancestor, Nathaniel West, who was the brother of Sir Thomas West, Lord De La Warr & first Governor of Virginia (& the man for whom the state of Delaware is named). He had even written a book about our family tree. I wanted t know more, like who his parents were, so I looked up Sir Thomas, knowing he would be easier to trace & his geneology would be the same as Nathaniel's. I saw his mother was Ann Knollys, whose name was highlighted, meaning she was of historical significance. I then saw that her mother was Catherine Carey, whose name I recognized as the daughter of Mary Boleyn.

[@Headpfones]

In one of Ann's notebooks she wrote the words "My time shall come, I Ann Boleyn"

[@nolovechuck9816]

Thats her name..

[@Headpfones]

no love chuck I know it’s something she wrote in one of her books

[@nolovechuck9816]

@@Headpfones lol I was just saying...she's my great grandma

[@Headpfones]

no love chuck oh sorry but wow

[@carlosmarcial6201]

Shall come headless :D.

[@sydt7104]

Kyra coming in with the sassy takes. Love her. All around great presenters and historians. They clearly care about their history.

[@jente2658]

26:01 "well, how she didn't just start stabbing Henry, I don't know" agreed.

[@twelfthlady847]

Because that could have easily thrown the whole country into a succession crisis and risked another civil war not even 100 years after the end of the last one. Stupid comment really.

[@twelfthlady847]

@Kathy Mack Which non-fiction history books have you read on the Tudor era?

[@jente2658]

@@twelfthlady847 When the lady from the clip said it, it was a joke. When I repeated it, it was a joke. You commenting was clearly not a joke but instead a pathetic attempt to feel superior and smart. So now, you are the joke.

[@twelfthlady847]

@@jente2658 It's unfortunate if you think my "Stupid comment really" was directed towards you, it was a response to the "Stabbing Henry" comment itself. Sure I get the humor of it, I have a whole page on Pinterest full of hilarious Tudor Humor; most of it jabs at Henry. It is, however, a very juvenile comment for a claimed historian to make in a documentary and discredits her expertise. I'm sorry too that you or Kathy Mack seem to take offense to the suggestion of further researching historical fact. We should always be wanting to learn more. Digging deeper than the surface and emotional reaction to such shocking events is very important if one wants to truly understand this era.

[@jente2658]

@@twelfthlady847 Most people who work very serious jobs often have a great sense of humor because they sometimes need to make light of the situation. Her joke, which was obviously a joke to most people watching, didn't discredit her at all. It was a funny break in a very unfair and painful story. If you do enjoy historical humor, you should've enjoyed that joke. Get your head out of your ass.

[@SVTWonHui0607]

The very downfall of Anne Boleyn was she made many enemies. She's a smart woman but she didn't used it for her advantage. Too bad, she's too good to be beheaded. However, she gave England one of the best Queen in their History.

[@areiaaphrodite]

I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn and I'm proud of her honesty. The fact that she married for love even if it meant being disowned by her family is admirable to me. In contrast, I rarely feel sympathy towards Anne. Despite history thinking that Mary was a fool, she won in the end.

[@colleta2400]

There is no "Descendants" of Anne or Mary Boleyn. The only living member betrayed Elizabeth and she had him executed. He was the son of Mary and he had no children.

[@areiaaphrodite]

@@colleta2400 First of all, there are many descendants of Mary Boleyn including the Queen's mother, meaning the Queen is a current descendant of Mary Boleyn. Secondly, BOTH of her children produced progeny. Her daughter Catherine had 16 children and her son, Henry Carey, also had 16 children with his wife and numerous illegitimate children. He wasn't executed though so I don't even know who you're thinking of but Henry Carey died at 70 at his house. Elizabeth I was even about to bestow a dukedom upon him when he died. You don't do that to someone who is about to be executed and die in shame. It's only Anne Boleyn who has no DIRECT descendants because Elizabeth I died childless.

[@areiaaphrodite]

@@colleta2400 I honestly don't know how you even have the bravery to make such ludicrous claims when there's an entire Internet and historical books out here to know such simple details

[@colleta2400]

@@areiaaphrodite Well Aeria if the internet said so....LOL Honey there are not living descendants of the Boleyn's. This has been Historical Knowledge since Elizabeth executed her cousin. LOL

[@areiaaphrodite]

@@colleta2400 Yet here I am, existing. 🙄 Like I said before, it's known knowledge that Anne Boleyn has no direct descendants but Mary Boleyn has numerous descendants including the current royal family of the UK because Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons was a descendant of Mary Boleyn. If you don't trust the Internet for commonly known history, why don't you go find a book? But to save you the trouble, I'll say it again: 1. Mary Boleyn had two children who lived to adulthood; Catherine Carey and Henry Carey. 2. Both Catherine and Henry had 16 children in their respective marriages and Henry had numerous illegitimate children. 3. Elizabeth never had Henry Carey executed. He served her faithfully in her court and was made 1st Baron Hudson, almost Duke of Ormond but he rejected it on his death bed. He either died from either illness or old age because he lived to be 70. 4. The cousin Elizabeth I had executed was Mary, Queen of Scots. She was actually very close to both Catherine and Henry, the only living cousins she had on her mother's side. Go read a book and then come back and talk to me, "honey"; until then, learn to come correct and put some respect on me and my family. (Ugh, dont even know why I'm entertaining the idiotic prattling of an ignoramus but here I am so go on, amuse me with more of your conspiracy theories and lack of historical knowledge.)

[@stephaniemomma]

I’m obsessed with the tudors and the war of the roses, and I really thought I knew it all about these people. But only one advertisement in and I’ve already learned so much! Thank you 🙂

[@virginagobetz4756]

What advertisements? I didn't see any.

[@stephaniemomma]

Virgina Gobetz there’s like 7 or 8 of them... Do you have the advertisement free KZbin package?

[@sandilou2U]

You would love Claire Ridgeway. She is the author of several history books and an expert on the Tudor era. Search for her daily videos, "On this Day in Tudor History". She has also published a series of videos based on another of her books detailing Anne's downfall and execution as well as a few about Mary Boleyn and even a couple of Tudor cooking.

[@stephaniemomma]

Sandi Hurd I’m already subscribed to, and you’re right! I do ❤️ her 🙂

[@stephaniemomma]

Kenzie Jean do you mean the tv show the tudors? About Henry the 8th and all his wives and mistresses? I was actually talking about the people who inspired the name of the tv show. Henry the 7th was the first turdor king and Elizabeth the 1st the last. I was talking about the dynasty, not the tv show

[@trekstarsam2494]

Anne and Mary have been the subject of so much amazing dialog with my students about is it better to play the quick game or the long game? Lol Mary played the quick game and was content to be Henry’s baby mama, but in the end she was the only one who got out of it alive. Anne played the long game and insisted on marriage and got what she wanted- to be queen- yet got her head cut off when she couldn’t have a boy. I always thought that if each sister would have taken the other’s strategy, everyone would have survived. If Mary had played Anne’s long game, and married the king, Henry would have gotten the boy he wanted, as one of Henry’s 2 illegitimate children with Mary was a boy. Anne, as the mistress, would have had been baby mama to Elizabeth but neither of them ever would have been queen. Yet both would have survived as none of Anne’s later miscarriages would have been legitimate anyway. But each sister (and their brother also for that matter) would have survived if they had switched roles. All the current monarchs today are descendants of Mary Boleyn even now, we know Henry’s and Anne’s line died with Elizabeth.

[@Justice-ef9sk]

I think that Anne of Cleves was the smartest of all of his wives... she knew better than to even try and fight the annulment Henry wanted. And because of her obedience, she ended up with a nice chunk of land and generous annuity. I also believe that her and Henry became good friends after their annulment, and she was very close to Henry's daughters. With his permission, of course.

[@trawlins396]

Imo AoC was probably relieved she didn't have to be his wife. He was pretty heavy by that point.

[@Justice-ef9sk]

Oh for sure. He was quite enormous by that time and.... stinky. lol I know she complained about the stench coming from that sore on his leg that would never heal.

[@jenniperkins4260]

Omg i love Anne of Cleve’s !

[@Souten66]

I’m sure part of it was that Cleeves would not have been able to put up a fight with Henry the way that Spain had. If Spain couldn’t stop Henry, there’s no way anyone thought Cleeves could

[@rudithregato85]

One of the best documentaries I've watched. The voice of the lady is just so captivating that I find hard to pause and concentrate on my work. But I really love this video. This so real and well done. Thank you very much.

[@lucretiaharris5069]

As I listen to this documentary the ladies don't have a bad reputation the King has a bad reputation and the man who helped the King has a bad reputation the ladies had no choice he was King so the king was evil man. His love was not true love because it was based on giving him what he wanted when he didn't get it he moved on. This is the tale of two beautiful sisters and a evil King.

[@Fallenfromgrace1990]

I wonder if things would have been different if they knew back then that it was the sperm that determined gender of the fetus.

[@jeanandre6998]

AannW Rootbeer hell yeah, many lives would be lost too.

[@myrnaskogland1268]

I rather think they would have devised some way to still blame the woman, like her womb was insufficiant, or she made sure she did not have a son by some means. Because to acknowledge that they bear the burden of proof of whether a child is male or female is to lose their absolute power over women. Before this medical fact was established, a man could never be certain that his offspring was biologically his, women understood this, and going thru the female line and considering all children born of a union as the children of the Woman's clan made more sense. No child could be declared a bastard, a woman retained her assets of land, house and goods even if the man abandoned her and the children. He could not take away her money, land or throw her out of the house, leaving her homeless and starving. A woman had a balance of power and respect owed to her, within the community, a girl was allowed sexual freedom and any child born was considered a " child of the Hearth" a clan member. Once she chose a mate however, she was to be sexually faithful to that man. If he did not treat her kindly, she could cut the tie of partnership without his consent and chose a new man, the new man would be expected to depending on the community, become a part of the new clan and accept any previous children, and because the uncles and aunts of the mother trained the children rather than the parents, this helped with preventing personal pressure of expectations or jealousy of a parent to a child. This was and is, I believe, a much healthier viewpoint and balance of power than a male dominated power structure, our society goes by today. To kill your wife or child had consequences then, both sexes before a formal binding were free to experiece sex. With a formal binding, and building a foundation for a solid family meant, both parties were faithful to each other, would work out issues that came up, love and protect- not cottonball a child and work as a family unit within a bigger family unit or clan -- all parties working towards the aim of providing food, shelter, peaceful transactions within and outside of the community. Raise children that could look after themselves and have moral precepts and cultural understanding of their place in the world. To transmit ideas, morality, customs, abilities to succeed and carry on into the future. Children may have had a shorter -what we would consider as a childhood, and would have need to learn a lot of things much faster in order to survive. But they did survive, thrive raise a new generation and pass their knowlege on. How much midwife knowledge and techniques were torn away by a male dominated power base., that denied that a woman had both a Soul and Intellect, and was just a possession to be used, abused and destroyed with a Man's whim. How long have we Women been fighting for Our Rights as Human Beings? Humans have this terrible ability to justify any behavior if it is to their own personal benefit. That is our Achilles Heel.

[@angietyndall7337]

Not likely, because females were seen as chatel then as many still are now in the world. Not to mention females are blamed for many things in patricharhal societies.

[@Veronica-bc6pp]

I wish there was a way to see how these people actually looked like! Wouldn’t that have been something?! Just like Cleopatra I’ve always wondered how she looked like.!

[@elenalena870]

She turned out ugly

[@Veronica-bc6pp]

Or Moses, Jesus, Leonardo DaVinci, etc!!! List goes on and on!

[@debradevine5794]

I wish i could go back an actually see them but i would want to go as a ghost or like tinker bell lol lol Because Henry would sure have me on the block !! Lol

[@Danielle-mg5lf]

Debra Devine: I don’t know if you were tinkerbell he might sit on you lol.

[@Danielle-mg5lf]

I mean by that time, Henry had to literally picked up by a crane to be put on the horse....I’m sure there were a lot of dead horses 🐎🐎🐎

[@angelcitygirl]

My favorite historical story ever! And the reason is Anne had the last laugh. Henry had no son who truly ruled, Edward died at 15 years old. And the Queen who ruled through the Golden Age was Elizabeth I. Anne's daughter.

[@joannabiviano9836]

Considering Henry VIII's many mistresses and conquests, it stands to reason he fathered a number of illegitimate children (other than Henry Fitzroy.) Perhaps he produced illegitimate daughters never acknowledged,. Henry VIII's descendants could be amongst us today. Have there been DNA searches considering this likelihood?

[@iglesiaszorro297]

Who cares??!!

[@lilacsunshine3044]

@@iglesiaszorro297 well i do.

[@kristaklett5907]

The Anglican Church will never allow it. Too much to lose for the current royal family.

[@satarajackson6345]

I think so but it’s kept under wraps. If someone came out and said they were a descendent and could prove it the UK would go in an uproar. The good thing is the world could see it unfold. There would be no guessing as to what happened

[@trawlins396]

@@iglesiaszorro297 a lot of people care you dunce!

[@catspaw3092]

In the end it's Mary who surpassed her sister it's the reason we have Queen Elizabeth the 2nd while Anne's daughter Elizabeth the 1st that ruled for many years but died with no heirs to the throne. That honor went to Elizabeth's cousin & rival Mary Queen of Scots son.

[@tilesetter1953]

You seem to suggest that queen Elizabeth ll is descended from Mary Boleyn, she is not!

[@sarahm4573]

Mark D'Aulerio they said she was in the documentary

[@isabellesalgado6126]

@@tilesetter1953 She is :)

[@tilesetter1953]

@@isabellesalgado6126 You are right, I was wrong.

[@anosjc]

@@tilesetter1953 I was taken aback when I heard that. I need to know more. How is Queen Elizabeth her descendant. Does anyone have any link to this family tree. It's so fascinating!

[@lissah68hall92]

Cromwell wasn't responsible for Anne's fall.There's no evidence of this.Ultimately,Henry VIII was responsible.Otherwise glad to see were clearing up some of myths of remarkable ladies.Lovely to see Sarah Morris here as well.Enjoyed!

[@colleta2400]

He was not responsible but he was smart enough to take the right side and temporarily save himself.

[@tasi4372]

He wasn't responsible but rather engineered her downfall.

[@juliannaciano1273]

There is evidence that Cromwell did engineer this with Anne's other enemies. I do agree with you that there is misguided information on the Tudors but there is a lot to see that Cromwell actually did have a lot to do with it.

[@colleta2400]

@@juliannaciano1273 While I do not think it a far stretch to conclude Cromwell was involved there is no evidence he "Engineered" it. She was gunning for him and I would say it was more "Luck" that landed in his lap and he ran with it.

[@juliannaciano1273]

@@colleta2400 This is why I personally believe Cromwell did engineer most of it. Chapyuis made it clear that is Cromwell, not the King, who was responsible for everything. He told his master that the minister "he's blamed and brought about the whole affair". First of all, he had motive. It was clear as late in April that Anne still had influence with the King when Henry slapped Cromwell down regarding trying to pursue an Imperial alliance instead of French as we all know Anne has always favored. Anne was upset about the monasteries and collecting the funds - Anne didn't want them to be destroyed in the manner they were doing because she very much realized the people still needed them particularly the poor. She had a sermon preached basically calling Cromwell out on giving the King bad advice. Shortly after this, Cromwell disappears for a week and comes back and we all know what happened from there. He had a meeting with the King even though there is no written documentation of what was actually said but I think it's safe to assume he most certainly had some mind of plan after he took off for a week. All of the men implicated in the scandal were troublesome opponents. William Brereton was one of the clearest indications. He dominated the monasteries in Cheshire and blocked Cromwell's attempts of reform. Who may have encouraged lawlessness but at the very least covered it up where he was steward. Mark Smeaton was taken to Cromwells residence in Stepney alone and "confessed" and we all know he was most likely tortured - as he wasnt a noble by birth and was of lowly origin versus the others. Thomas wyatt and Sir Richard Page - Cromwell made it his business to acquit them - and the fact that both if these men escaped with their head just shows to what extent he actually dictated it all. He placed spies in her company at the Tower and had the constable report every word she said which is part of the most damning evidence against her that was twisted and embellished. There is even a letter from Anne found on Cromwells desk professing her innocence that likely never made it Henry's person - though that isnt sure or not. Along with all the letters from the constable reporting everything she did and said to HIM. He aligned himself with the Seymour's which were a more conservative party yet it shows how pragmatic and desperate he was to rid himself of Anne. He most likely did have spies in her household and bribed them prior to this whom also twisted and embellished incidents words and the like. Though that cannot be proved without a doubt but it is widely believed by all that he did. Sorry for the long response. I just feel that this is evidence to some degree...

[@Yvonne-ox8sv]

mary married for love and inherited the money . tbh she won. could this have been her game plan?

[@luvprue1]

Mary Boleyn was indeed the true winner. She got a loving husband, and family. She inherited her parents money as their only remaining heir,and she got to keep her head. Winning!

[@love_mandyxo]

Mary definitely did have the last laugh in this situation. Where she was overshadowed and dismissed, she actually outlived her siblings, married for love and lived a comfortable life until she died

[@ninahurd2592]

Mary Boleyn had the last laugh she found happiness with her husband and have love of her life she had a happy life at the end

[@areiaaphrodite]

I think she just wanted to be happy

[@sseraia_]

No one's talking about Henry VIII's first mistress Elizabeth Bessie Blaunt and his first illegitimate son Henry Fitzroy....

[@r.22r]

Because he didnt kill anyone for her. Massive difference between a "mere" mistress and her son, and a Queen.

[@empresskrissy1527]

Her time happened when Henry was still married to Katherine. There were rumors he has going to make his illegitimate son part of the succession ahead of Mary but he didn't. There were also rumors Henry was going to marry his son to Mary his daughter but that didn't happen either. Henry FitzRoy died of consumption. There were rumors Anne poisoned him but she didn't.

[@omgitstracey]

I heard Anne miscarried her son the day that Catherine of Aragon died.

[@marcyhoang]

She did.

[@dreamerluv5172]

Ironic

[@Bloombaby99]

Considering how she tormented Catherine of Aragon and Mary, it was karma at its best.

[@punkybrewster10]

Is there actual facts out there?

[@norml6874]

1-7-1536 Catherine of Aragon dies 1-29-1536 miscarriage

[@taylorfausett177]

I had never heard the story about how the swordsman from France distracted Anne so that she wouldn't know when she would be beheaded. That is comforting to me. She was killed unscrupulously.

[@AndriaBieberDesigns]

I loved Tudor history since I was little . Loved Anne Boleyn so much ❤️ this is a great video. Well done! ( side note Henry got rid of Anne with help, he wanted Jane. The times they said she slept around she was having Elizabeth for example and couldn’t have cheated as she was in quarantine)

[@kristi4113]

The person who suffered the most thought Anne was not just a victim, but an absolute angel. That person? Elizabeth Tudor.

[@loisb.5814]

Some of these portraits, drawings, illustrations and art I have never seen other than this video. They are absolutely gorgeous!! Where can I go to see more of these please?

[@nolovechuck9816]

Those paintings are whitewashed

[@LOve-bq4gc]

I love the red haired woman’s energy, with the short hair😍she’s great. “why she didn’t stab him, I don’t know” 🤣🤣. And her comment at the end about these women being incredibly strong women who were just doing the best with what they had. I feel that statement, and I totally agree❤️. They don’t deserve to be shamed at all

[@nolovechuck9816]

She aint white you can bet that

[@idontgiveafaboutyou]

no love chuck are you blind🙄

[@nolovechuck9816]

@@idontgiveafaboutyou nope sure the fuck aint

[@misuchimiss1161]

Yeah, her southern American accent and her talking with her hands is great. Definitely sets her apart from the more reserved English approach to telling the story.

[@misuchimiss1161]

@@nolovechuck9816 what are you talking about?

[@ishitavk]

What I find rather woeful is that the Spanish ambassador, someone who loathed Anne and always referred to her as a concubine and nothing more, said that the proceedings were a complete sham however much he was repulsed by her, he found the charges implausible. Despite masses claiming her to be innocent, the jury set up conducted a very hasty trial that lasted for only around a week till the execution, while gathering the evidence against anne and for the conviction of katherine took three months of meticulous investigation which show how false the charges were. And to make it worse, Henry burnt her letters, took out all the H and A's entwined in a design that were carved into the tiles of Hampton court, burnt all her portraits and every trace of her he could, leaving behind one dubious portrait and his share of the letters in their documented conversations. Some of the H's and A's still survived nonetheless and are still there.

[@micpowers1136]

Henry was a bitch in a mans body.He treated his first wife and child like he was a woman scorned.Made Anne queen but then killed her because she gave birth to the greatest monarch England had ever saw that wasn’t a boy.Then when he created a boy they were either still born or sickly.Henry was pissed at himself and I think he regretted killing Anne because it didn’t heal his heart from something he hated about himself from before he knew her.He could’ve just ruined her name or put her in exile but noooo.He had to kill the woman he lusted after the most and probably truly loved the most.Why did he died fat stink and hard to be around?Regret.

[@trawlins396]

He was still a King. And still talked about over 500 yrs later. And you're a nobody.

[@CamCoulombe]

@@trawlins396 yeah, people still talks about Hitler to this day, yet He's one of the worst piece of shit to ever exist! Just because He was a king does not mean that He was a great person. Go get a life please!

[@trawlins396]

@@CamCoulombe except he actually WAS a very good King. A bad husband doesn't make a bad King. Look up everything he did for England during his reign. And why the fuq are you stalking all my comments???

[@trawlins396]

@@CamCoulombe 👈 *feminut*

[@trawlins396]

@@CamCoulombe 👈 all emotion ZERO logic. Yep! Must be a woman!

[@ipshita5147]

Fun fact : Queen Elizabeth II is a descendent of Mary Boleyn.

[@annelievanroom839]

I've always found her a facinating woman She was really smart and very quick witted I may not really like what she did but she was a truly calculating woman

[@ardenalexa94]

I feel the same way. I find her interesting and admire her for many of her accomplishments but I also find it sad how she treated Katherine of Aragon and Mary.

[@MyriamEH]

This documentary has such beautiful art featured throughout, I'm impressed!

[@ombrenightcores]

The thing about Henry VIII’s story is out of all his wives, mistresses, and children, Henry himself is the only person I don’t feel sorry for.

[@trawlins396]

I do. He was caught up in a Kings dilemma.

[@greydoe]

When they are talking about the early days of Mary's involvement with Henry, they keep showing a painting of Henry that was done late in his life, when he was fat and very ill. That isn't how Henry looked as a young man (when Mary and Anne knew him). It's leading the audience to believe that this ugly, older guy was taking advantage of the sisters, when in fact, the younger Henry was considered quite dashing and attractive. Not sure why a documentary should lean that way, instead of presenting the story as non-fiction; you know, as a documentary.

[@nikadavise-br9lx]

Actually he was 49 and morbidly obese when he married the inbred anne who was 19 years old............so yeah teen aged girl being mounted by that fat diseased fuck..............nope ..............no kingdom in the world worth enduring that for years and years...........................ICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@reneenayfabnaynay5679]

@@nikadavise-br9lx nope! You are thinking of wife number five, Katherine Howard. Anne was in her mid to late twenties when she married Henry. Katherine was the only girl he was married to who was in her teens, and extremely older than. His first wife was about seven years older than him. Henry wasn't known for going after the very young ones, with the exception of KH. He seemed to have a taste for ladies in there twenties & thirties, more than anything else. Not sure what happened with KH! Well, other than the fact her family practically dangled KH in front of Henry, like a carrot to a bunny!

[@reneenayfabnaynay5679]

@@nikadavise-br9lx oh, and the only wife who had to endure Henry for years is his first wife who, as I said above, was older than Henry. Since she didn't want to let Henry go and give him a divorce, I don't think she minded.

[@rebeccaben-avraham410]

@greydoe as far as the paintings, I am not sure how many there are from his younger years. I believe I have seen one in another program about Henry, but I think they use the ones where he is older because the public knows it is him.

[@greydoe]

@@nikadavise-br9lx He was 35, athletic, and in his prime during Anne's time. He did not go for young girls - his first wife was 6 years older than him (he was 17 when he became king). Anne was only his 2nd wife. Later, gout and old injuries caused him to become sedentary, thus gaining weight/becoming sickly.

[@melissamason2169]

Love British history

[@monicaglenn7878]

Me too! And I'm not even British!! 😍

[@mxchamii6708]

@@monicaglenn7878 omg same!

[@karenstrong6734]

@@mxchamii6708 same I’m American. I’m sixteen and a history buff.

[@LotusLady9]

Thank you so much! Really enjoyed learning another perspective of Anne Boleyn!🌞

[@lilliedoubleyou3865]

But wasn't Anne already angry at Wolsey for his role in breaking up her relationship with Percy?

[@npeace312]

I feel so sorry for Anne. Her family used her for greed.

[@trawlins396]

Oh please. She was power hungry. Shes no victim.

[@joshuaowens4011]

@@trawlins396 lol

[@pamelaalsop7772]

I totally enjoy these videos! Seeing the portraits & the letters, the clothing & learning about the customs. It's fascinating. Ty!

[@kikoizme]

Kyra Cornelius Kramer, I love your sass! You really captured my feelings on a lot of these points. Very fun to watch

[@trawlins396]

Shes way too melodramatic.

[@samanthabamantha5816]

The irony that the king married his brothers widow but called it incestuous becuase she married brothers, while Henry was banging two sisters is ridiculous!

[@ARedMagicMarker]

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.

[@SavingHistory]

“Anne did what no other woman had ever done before, she grabbed the king for herself...”. But????? Didn’t Elizabeth Woodville do that too? And didn’t Edward also love her? As I recall, Edward didn’t cut Elizabeth’s head off, but died still married to her. Anne was definitely instrumental in England’s break from Rome, and the creation of the Church of England, and deserves her recognition in history - but just “winning” a king to herself, who was in love with her, wasn’t something that had never before been done.

[@elizabethseiden1867]

I heard a story about how King Henry changed from a sportsman to a gluttonous, womanizing tyrant. After a jousting accident, people warned him to put his helmet down. His head was hit hard and he was never the same. Although, they treated women like human mattress’s that were slighted after thought of the King’s Court. Sorting out women like pieces of meat, or fancy toys on the shelf. Even the women who produce an heir to the throne are disregarded by the King and his men. Heads would roll at all costs King Henry’s fragile ego! Both Mary and Anne were strong, highly intelligent women who deserved respect and love. 🤓🐯🍿🍿🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👑

[@trawlins396]

Everybody has heard the story of Henry being injured after a jousting much. That is extremely old news.

[@FantabulousFail]

It was actually a leg wound if I remember correctly, that festered and became gangrenous. It was a stinking open wound for the rest of his life and would seep puss. He was gross.

[@ellenyoung8283]

@@trawlins396 people comment on what they know of the history of the subject to explain their views and conclusions, no need to be snide.

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

Anne was human, an was used by her family same as everyone around her in that time. Anne for me is purely human an in the end she got F'd over by others. Mary was also F'd over by her family as well. She was told likely to go be Henry's side piece. By Henry himself because he was a piece of $%^&

[@RatTaxi]

I never knew Anne argued with Cromwell about the closing of the monasteries or that she'd gone to Hever Castle for two years to avoid Henry. My GOD history has painted her wrongly.

[@jophoenix3919]

Mary's son was the Henry' s that is why he was so sure the child would be a boy because he child by her sister was a boy...

[@Fallenfromgrace1990]

He actually did have a son by Katherine but the baby boy only lived for 30 days.

[@baileynutter3261]

AannW Rootbeer and don’t forget his son Edward VI by Jane Seymour

[@Fallenfromgrace1990]

@@baileynutter3261 Exactly. Henry had sons, they just lived a very short life. Honestly, I wonder what would of happened of Henry and Katherine's son would have lived. Would he still be as notorious as he is or would he had disappeared into history, only to be know as Arthur 's successor after he died.

[@baileynutter3261]

Yes but Henry Fitzroy had no real chance of inheriting even if he had been legitimized due to the factions he was aligned with in his later life.

[@deborahcooper9085]

What a terrible time to be alive as a woman. I’m glad I’m not from royalty. It’s obviously not all it’s cracked up to be. I think Mary came out on top. I also believe Thomas Cromwell got what he deserved!!

[@melissa-wilson]

Queen Anne is extraordinary and somewhat of a mystery. The title, "... a victim or a schemer..." couldn't be more accurate. Based on Anne's journals and other historical texts, I believe Anne was a victim, but also a catalyst for reform.

[@tinkaohnebell7500]

Great video and not one advert! Thank you 👍🏻

[@pamelawolf313]

I feel confused by the notion that Henry was simply a tyrant who forced people to do his bidding, bc it’s been documented how hard he tried to woo Anne into a relationship....that doesn’t seem like just a king forcing himself on her, it seems like true affection. I’ve never been written the kind of words like he wrote to Anne... just a thought.

[@twelfthlady847]

I just wrote this in a previous comment but I think more simple minded people love to view shocking history like they do movies: Gotta have heroes and villains and it must entertain with lots of drama 😄. Rather than researching and getting to know the real man, it's easier to just project onto Henry VIII any behavior indicative of a villain. Sadly if they started reading books (by historians not just Philippa Gregory) they'd learn that the real story is more rich, fascinating, and full of true life drama just as it is.

[@lesliebell5461]

Still killed her...affectionately?

[@r.22r]

Men will say anything to get the women they want. It was as true then as it is now.

[@evapektas3832]

Before his accident it is said he was Kind and very nice. After he fell off his horse he was unconsious for two hours and it could be that he had A head injury from that day on... He became a tyrant

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

@@evapektas3832 In Christian Mythology a terrorist is always left off by "something was wrong with his head" he was under the influence of.." "He had a traumatic experience in his youth" " he was sexually abused in his childhood" . But for a suspect with a Muslim name before the details of the act have been divulged or investigations started the whole Muslim World has been convicted for the crime and collectively punished, starting with all the offender's relatives, acquaintances and contacts wherever they may be in the World.

[@tammydriver5759]

Mary Boleyn was my 16X great grandmother.

[@holliewitham568]

She is my 14x grandmother

[@tsarina24honolulu87]

Lots of people are. Not a big deal really.

[@missmarple293]

Sure 🙄

[@catbyte0679]

It would appear that Mary got the last laugh. Good for her.

[@staciasmith5162]

I'm glad she kept her head, but I wouldn't want some fat greasy man breathing on me. You do realize that they didn't have too much of a choice. You've already knocked my sister up, hell yeah if you want my virginity, I expect you to marry me.

[@catbyte0679]

@Valarie The kind you would marry if you could What are you talking about? Mary wasn't beheaded, Anne was.

[@evapektas3832]

@@elizabethkraszewski6603 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@24get24give]

the thing that's most unfair in all this is that it's the sperm that determines the sex of the baby! of course, they didn't know this then, but still..

[@ladymother5488]

Best part is Elizabeth, Anne's daughter, became Queen. By Henry's own belief system, this would have proven that Anne was innocent and unjustly executed

[@renshiwu305]

Henry was a monster egotist. Even though Henry claimed that Anne was an adulteress, and even though he bastardized Elizabeth (and her half-sister Mary), he kept them in the line of succession because they were his daughters and he couldn't bear the thought of the crown passing out of his bloodline (as of course it did). It wasn't just the political difficulty of having a female succession that drove Henry to maneuver himself out of his marriages. The lack of offspring - especially male offspring - reflected badly on the king and highlighted his virility deficit. Henry didn't want to be thought less of a man, so he undid his marriages when they appeared to be fruitless.

[@justynagorka3972]

And this brute made himself the head of the church. 🤦‍♀️

[@christinececiliamahirwe5086]

Tell me about me😂😂😂

[@carlosmarcial6201]

That's the wonderful story of Church of England. I bet if you ask to any of Anglican Clerics, about how the Church of England was founded, they're going to omit that they were founded because Adultery. lol.

[@erikj2155]

Henry the 8th was an evil tyrant, and you know he stunk.

[@trawlins396]

Oh hush. Grow up.

[@CamCoulombe]

@@trawlins396 grow up from what?

[@sydneyspaulding740]

@@trawlins396 What do you mean grow up, Henry was a good ruler but he wasn’t a good person the horrible things he did to each and everyone of his wives are unforgivable. And I’m not saying that all six of his wives were completely innocent but they did not deserve that outcomes that were brought to them.

[@adorable3817]

Anne was in a tough position. After 6 months at my new company, my dream job, the CEO liked me (and relentlessly pursued me). (I found him repulsive) I declined his advances, and he in turn found pleasure in making my life miserable there. Ultimately I left. I know. Sexual harassment is illegal. I just didn't want any more Stress. Nobody is going to speak out against him, and risk their job.... It's not always great to catch a powerful man's eye 😔

[@trawlins396]

Thats not the same as Anne's position at all. You could've easily quit sooner than you did. Or just flat out told him NO.

[@brendakdavis1620]

Story of my life.

[@adorable3817]

@@brendakdavis1620 that's why I actually enjoy getting older 😅 less attention, less likely to be involved in this type of Situation 🥰🙏

[@dontknowwtp9101]

@@adorable3817 well yes and no, remember it can still happen

[@trawlins396]

@@dontknowwtp9101 I'll take my opinion where I want to take it Karen. This is a PUBLIC platform. If that bothers you don't get on PUBLIC platforms!

[@TheGap1967]

extremely well-curated Thanks you team Real Royalty

[@cocozhang3589]

Amazing documentary. Thoroughly absorbing and enjoyable.

[@MenelikTime]

Thomas Cromwell did Anne so wrong, he made those false accusations .. she didn't had a fair trial

[@jimm6386]

Anne Boleyn kept having miscarriages because Henry was syphiletic. And as usual, the woman was to blame!

[@PulseHistory]

Amazing video! I really admire your ability to present information in such a detailed and interesting way. Great job!

[@ijunkie]

It was strange twist of fate that Mary was rejected by her family, and so probably resulted in her survival, and that after a few years of alienations she lived the rest of her life with her lover and the family wealth.

[@lisakaye6923]

Why not just find a red haired baby boy and say it was Anne's? Would Henry have ever found out?? She could've "had" twins. A boy and girl! Lol

[@simonakatsman974]

Queens were watched heavily during childbirth and pregnancy. That would have been impossible

[@lagatita1623]

There were a lot of witnesses even in the child birth room. Musta been awkward

[@pibly674]

Great idea !

[@marjolewis9405]

Not that simple. Marriage consummation as well as the birth of children were witnessed and documented by many members of the royal court.

[@katecarlisle8383]

Wow it's so good to be a commoner. 🤣

[@anakatarina123456789]

I love british history ...

[@willanicole6356]

What uncivilized way of life in those times and King Henry an empathetic monster

[@mr.bond4564]

I love how the comments keep roasting henry

[@potaterater4747]

That creepy ass fat dude. Cringe. I heard his booty worm was bad. I don't know personally. He is a little old for me, by a few 100 years.

[@virginagobetz4756]

Anne Boleyn did NOT pass through the Traitor's gate en route for her last stay at the Tower of London.She entered through the "Court" or "Byward"gate.Other than that this was a very fine documentary.

[@samdasilva1914]

It was Elizabeth who passed through Traitors gate

[@luvsupreme]

And enacting laws to suite the circumstances continues on to this day.... THE END

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

That is what laws are for!

[@MenelikTime]

Henry suffered in life because he did his wives wrong especially with katherine of argon. That lady stand by his side for 19 -20 yrs and you cast her out like she wasn't nothing just because she have not bear you a son. These lady had it hard in those days. Imagine your marriage was base on having a son, you couldn't talk back to the kings what he says goes. They could have rumors that your wife had incest, treason, adultry and she out to die innocently.. hard hard life.

[@renshiwu305]

25:11 Steady on. Erasmus was well impressed by young prince Henry Tudor. Is she _really_ suggesting that Anne was smarter than him? Does she _really_ think Anne's advice was welcome - or useful - when it came to ruling the country? Henry made Catherine of Aragon regent during his campaign in France. Catherine demonstrated facility in the role but, then, Isabella of Castile was her mother and she learned at her mother's side. Anne's practical education in the art of ruling was at a distance. Her role models, Margaret of Austria, Louise of Savoy, and Margaret of Navarre, were able to exercise authority because the actual monarch was either an absentee, previously a minor (King/Emperor Charles I/V), or an absentee who was raised solely by his mother and sister and trusted them fully (King Francis I). Anne was an arriviste and King Henry never solicited his previous wife's advice, either. Moreover, England did not want a wife, particularly an unpopular wife, governing the kingdom - even in part. Elizabeth Woodville and Margaret of Anjou's legacy should have been instructive in this matter.

[@DarkLight6Tv]

Interesting..I just watched The Other Boleyn Girl last night and I wake up to this in my recommendations.

[@jeanandre6998]

DarkLight6Tv one of my favorite movies ❤️

[@toocoldtobother7271]

I've unfortunately never been able to watch it, every time it's on I catch it at the very end 😅

[@Paperheart0405]

@@toocoldtobother7271 Netflix!

[@TheTwinklinglilstar]

Oh god I hate Phillipa Gregory's interpretation of the boleyn's and the Tudors. She seems to favor the Yorks.

[@Armylady74]

The book is good, the movie sucked!

[@akal8775]

The fact that she could continue a relationship with him after he had sex with her sister and produced a child with her is insane to me. But can I really fault her because back then you didn't deny the king because to deny the king you would see the consequences of that. Even if she wasn't killed she would have grown to resent him for being with Her sister and having a child with him. What makes it even crazier is these people claim to be Christian Yet they were all deprived

[@luvprue1]

Mary was the king's mistress before Anne. It's possible that one , or both of Mary's kids were Henry's. Anne became Henry VIII 's mistress when Mary was pregnant .

[@jeanandre6998]

Amanda Kalchik yeah many mental issues back then, Like their mother said in the other boleyn girl, “God turned his back on this long ago” smh

[@kevindavis8120]

Stay away from the married.

[@terawilliams7661]

Anne helped him be the head of the church, but that also helped take her down too!!

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

And when the English went around invading,colonising civilising and baptising the world's natives in the name of Christ, they failed to mention that their version of the 'Christian ' religion was founded by a sadistic lustful, bloodthirsty monarch, who after tiring of killing his harem of wives one after another as the Pope of the time would not allow him to divorce them, he created a brand New religion, the ANGLICAN CHURCH, with him as the first POPE.

[@nadyarossi5102]

Things haven't changed much, have they? The Anglican Church was founded on adultery, lust and lies. Charles & Camilla's wedding, despite all the pomp & pageantry, was founded on the same things.

[@renee1961]

This is fascinating! Thank you. Love the narration!

[@stompthedragon4010]

Oh of course,I come across this when I have to run. Now I have to wait to watch. I love this.