Killing Floor 2 2023 Perks Tier List

[@joshuataylor5080]

Personally, I would argue that Support deserves to be S-tier because its only weakness is reloading. - Easy to pick up and get a TON of value - Granting ammo and Armor to your team mates is both extremely useful and saves them A LOT of dosh so they can get their better weapons earlier, not to mention the increased survivability - Support damage is just nutty. You can effectively delete anything up to a Skrake with no issues and tear through a Fleshpound if you build right and go for head shots - Extra carrying capacity means you get to carry ALL the big guns - As you said, no one is ever sad to have multiple Supports

[@ReapeeRon]

That is a good point, Support is an awesome class.

[@graceypatrick]

Honestly team comp doesn’t matter as long as you are having fun that’s all that matters

[@AlastorTheDemon]

It matters On hell On earth

[@shootergaming3837]

@@AlastorTheDemon not really

[@calicojack3542]

As long as I have a Field Medic I’m happy

[@j_tha_panther]

Don’t tell that to any competitive pve player, especially Mann vs machine

[@Annihilatedd]

it does matter to some extent 😂

[@MrMeeTurDoom]

You should rank each of the class perks or skills when you reach 5,10,15 etc. It would be interesting to see which skill are better than others and to see the builds you can do with it.

[@manuelhernandez2017]

This 100%

[@nightstar2197]

I talk at length with my brother, who mains gunslinger, about sharpshooter. In KF1, Sharpshooter was one of the best perks. In KF2, they took all the pistols and damage they had and gave it to gunslinger. The issue we have with Sharpshooter is that it is as you say: extremely punishing for missed shots. Its has no adaptability and is probably the most reliant on team protection than any other perk in the game, making for needlessly difficult solo play. We believe it extends from enforcing habits that are antithesis to higher difficulties: having to crouch and stand still to get those trademark damage numbers (with the left side of the skill tree) is detrimental to a game that gets faster the higher you go, not to mention that most sharpshooter weapons dont have the ammo, mag cap, or fire rate to keep up with this speed, and alternatives to these skills severely dampen sharpshooter's trademark damage. With a good team, hunkering down in a location may be feasible, but imo the role of big zed killer is still better handled by a few other perks in that situation. All in all, I think the Sharpshooter is a neat support class, but its flaws become frustratingly apparent when you're alone. Being able to delete big zeds in 1 or 2 shots, at the cost of being very vulnerable against the rest of the enemy's arsenal makes for a difficult perk to play and like.

[@rentrogen4416]

I believe problem with this class is reload on weapons. Most trash killing perk weapons for sharpshooter have ridiculously long and 1 bullet at a time reload meaning you can't skip animation. Couple with low ammo and there is no reliable way to clear trash around you. Most good weapons for that like FN FAL, Mosin Nagant, M14 or even Crossbow +0 don't allow for Railgun+1 wich means you either left with SPX, Winchester+1 or make lower damage build with Crossbow +1 and became useless compare to survivalist with same Railgun+1 and for example Kaboomstick+2. (Also Surv have either medic self syringes or speed of berserker + choose of grenade making it much more difficult to kill)

[@brenohenrique9743]

commando is also in a pretty bad spot to be honest, like i don't know how that dude put commando at A tier, it's not.

[@deciusloverain5434]

Yeah, in KF1 SS and Support was OP. One with super effective crossbow and below-large-zed cleaning pistols, another with all-raping shotguns and "why the hell of" powerful grenades. But with DLC weapons i think Survivalist & Firebug mut be in S-tier. Survivalist run with Frost axe and M79 and literally no one can kill him - he just freeze & crack scrakes & PFs & outrun others. Aaaand... Who said there is a game with need of teamplay where one classes effective against one type of enemies and another classes strong vs other types. No!😀 Firebug just pick Helios & Flamethrower with cheat heatwave skill & rape EVERYTHING! I saw when my friend all boss-wawe roll-balled Abomination on a floor, constantly heatwaving him. We laughed a lot.

[@antoniomolina3612]

@@deciusloverain5434tbf i think abomination is the second easiest boss in the game, not to discredit what you said tho

[@LunaPPK]

I hope with 3 they just return to the old class set up imo all 2 did was just gut stuff from the base classes and call them new

[@manuelhernandez2017]

I hope kf3 helps your channel blow up! You deserve it, when i first started kf2, you were the biggest help!

[@ReapeeRon]

Much appreciated!

[@AlexGarcia-lq5dj]

Is kf3 confirmed??

[@manuelhernandez2017]

@@AlexGarcia-lq5dj Yes, due out for mid 2024

[@AlexGarcia-lq5dj]

@@manuelhernandez2017 just did a bit of digging and they have a whole trailer out already. how did this get swept under my radar????

[@manuelhernandez2017]

@@AlexGarcia-lq5dj you are probably doing more important things bro!

[@JD867]

The Demo Sentinel variant is excellent not only for demo but for sharp. Sharp deals with the medium-big zeds, the sentinel blasts all the little crawlers and clots. Only thing that annoys is the stalkers, which the sentinel can't shoot without them decloaking. I definitely agree that sharp needs a buff, though. I mostly main Pyro myself. Early game, dual spitfires and a caulk, slowly transitioning to upgrade spitfires and a Helios later. Melts larger zeds.

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah that can be true, some weapons are better on other classes. Sharp has quite a few like that.

[@frun]

I wish they add the ability to autoshoot for weapons like spitfire, etc. All automatic weapons like mp5 have that.

[@plm6523]

Demo is indeed very squishy, but he is the best coop big zed killer right next to gunslinger. I think he deserves atleast an A for being the most effective class against FP's and QP's. RPG and Kaboomstick combo is just disgusting. RPG with medic buff one shot's scrakes on 6 player HOE, so honestly he's more effective than Gunslinger at killing big boys. Gunslinger is overall a better class though.

[@fozymilograno]

Firebug is S tier. Any noob can brake the game with it. This guy really needs to understand this game better.

[@prentrix]

hahahahaahaha pls say ur joking @@fozymilograno

[@manuelhernandez2017]

I think demo requires more skill than just about every class though, it's squishy but also can kill himself easily if not careful, unlike pretty much all classes

[@GlitchBoy-ws5in]

@@fozymilograno - mfers who rage scrake

[@Rahnonymous]

Beserker: Used to be super tanky (look how they massacred my boy) Commando: Bootleg SWAT Sharpshooter: Hope you can work under stress on higher levels Support: The first to die in a horror movie Survivalist: Let's be honest, you picked this because you don't have 7k hours to max out all the perks SWAT: Bootleg commando Demolitionist: You're a simple man who knows what he likes Firebug: You like playing in 6fps Gunslinger: It's high no-IT'S TIME TO STOP! Medic: The "healer" class (seriously, only like 3 of you actually heal your team)

[@andromeda8418]

Perfect Sharpie description. Tho the amount of satisfaction is huge when your lvl25 (especially Ranger) kicks in and saves the day.

[@nexuqk]

Do u make lvl for other classes as survivalist or what?

[@tominator028]

@@nexuqkYes, but obviously not as fast as if you were on them. If you only play survivalist and max it out at 25 and keep playing as it on HoE you’ll level the other classes(depending on what weapons you use) pretty fast though.

[@DialMforMartyr]

Make that 4 I’m a field medic main and always focus on my teams health if I’m playing with someone

[@piegumplays9059]

they need to make sharpshoter zed time insta reload the CLIP per headshots or something like that have a chance to not use ammo/ being able to multi shot

[@cassidy8307]

It makes a lot of sense for sharpshooter to be at the bottom. Slow down and aim carefully at the head with your slow firerate/reload weapon in a game all about a hundred zombies running at you. Hope they get some buffs

[@mattutter3525]

In the first game Sharpy was one of the best classes and having at least 1 was strongly desired in a 6-man game. I guess in the second game, with zeds generally being faster and tankier it doesn't translate so well.

[@smartgamingpotatopotatoz4217]

Gunslinger has always been the golden child, theyve got the damage of a support/sharpshooter, and the speed of a medic/zerker. So instead of neefing the slinger they nerf the zerker and medic. Gunslinger is ridiculously easy to play honestly

[@younggarde4797]

It's actually boring perk, trust me bro. You get tired of it.

[@s7nseer]

@@younggarde4797it’s boring sometimes but if u change ur weapons around a lil it can be fun

[@starbonjr39]

@@younggarde4797 true after getting lvl 25 on it i change to other class and its also hard to play because of the headshot mechanic.

[@RvBnerd618]

As a returning Firebug main I agree, plus we are the worst "off-medic" class. Can do it in a pinch, but we are too busy focusing on trash mob and turning zeds into zombie crisps. They have gotten better since the last time I played, this was during the beginning of the pandemic that I was playing the game, and came back after hearing KF3 veing announced. Funny that Field Medic got a heavy hit, but is still invaluable since they're the only dedicated healer class for that reason, plus anyone can pick up and play the role with little to no experience. Overall I say the biggest change to me was the survivalist class, it was an odd ball but hearing the buffs it got makes it sound like a nice alternative to many of the other roles, dare I say they are the best "off medics" since healing grenades are always nice to have around. I do find the other classes fun, but you can't beat the feeling of using a flame based weapon to cause chaos on the map! Only thing that would be better is if in the sequel we got a polar opposite and have a Mr Freeze like class. I know we already have frost based guns, but having a class to specialize on them would be so cool (Pardon the unintentional pun).

[@ReapeeRon]

The fire weapons can cause chaos but that should matter too much anymore with the other weapons they gave Firebug. Firebug is pretty good at everything right now.

[@j.alex629]

Funnily enough, there's a mod from KF1 that predates KF2 called SCRN that actually has a class specialized in freezing zeds (and when they're killed they drop $$). IIrc it also introduced the Gunslinger class before KF2 as well. Another addition there that's unique is a heavy weapons class which basically specializes in minigun type weapons (most of them are introduced from other games like Aliens or Unreal Tournament)

[@j_tha_panther]

I love how he kept praising firebug constantly then just plopped him in c tier for no other reason than “squishy”

[@Wargasmo]

Yeah that kinda confused me, too.

[@4keMKT]

The thing about sharpshooter being punished even while being pretty good at it is very real. I love snipers and hitting headshots and getting quicker at that, but man, WHY DO I HAVE TO BE SO UNRELIABLE AGAINST MANY ZEDS THAT AREN'T COMING A STRAIGHT LINE, that's my main strat when having a hard time.

[@younggarde4797]

He supposted to die in that scenario.

[@jacks2249]

My tier list is: S= Commando, Field Medic, Survivalist A= Support, Demolitionist, Sharpshooter, Gunslinger, Berserker B= Firebug C= Swat Just pick up Survivalist with HRG Medic Missile + RPG-7 + Desert Eagle x2 and you will be able to kill everything basically without any help (you even can heal up by yourself)

[@tominator028]

S for commando? You must not play a lot of HoE. It’s so bad on HoE.

[@jacks2249]

@@tominator028 I don't like to play on HoE (less people playing there) but why is that bad? I usually use bullpup + M16 (granade launcher is awesome).

[@onepangaean3018]

@jacks2249 commando has no extra run speed or passive damage reduction like survivalist has, and on higher difficulties you get les cash so you won't get all the weapon you want. Say there's 3 flesh pounds charging you and you have a FN FAL - you get lucky and land all the headshots you need to drop the first one - there's 2 more charging you and you can't out run them.

[@helmetmcbaron]

Ew survivalist in S tier? It literally excels at nothing every single other role does better than it once they specialise

[@jacks2249]

@@onepangaean3018 Yeah I am playing HoE now and certainly I changed my mind about commando, it sucks specially playing infinite waves. I think it needs a buff. My list needs to be updated, also Swat is significant better than I thought, HRG bastion weapon is great to fight fleshpounds because of the energy barrier.

[@OhLatte]

As someone who plays field medic sometimes imma disagree about it being easy because I’ve seen so many people RARELY heal or panic and die when it gets harder in suicidal and HOE😭

[@ReapeeRon]

Really? That doesn't happen to me too often.

[@antoniomolina3612]

I’d agree about the skill floor being higher, where some people who’ve played RPGs may intuitively know how vital a healer can be, some other people may not so they play a zombie game and there’s a healer, and that mechanic is not always prevalent in their heads, and also when to prioritize healing over shooting what’s in your range. Knowing when to throw a healing grenade as you said, and all that.

[@zombied3stroy3r9gaming4]

@@antoniomolina3612 Yeah, when I run some games on PS4, I'll encounter high level prestiged medics but when they're sitting next to me shooting stuff on the other side of the area and getting by the big boys, that medic will not bother even trying to heal. So after that wave, I swap to medic and do it myself because the main job of the medic is healing the team while they focus on clearing enemies. TL;DR Too many people don't play medic to heal the team in my personal experience

[@reelgesh51]

@@antoniomolina3612 what makes healer hard for me is half the time my rockets go through the floor due to lag ;( Like a super crucial fight is happening and I pull out the RPG to mass heal 4 dudes and the missile jus goes throughthe floor leadin to a team ipe and I cry and die a little inside each time that's happened Worst part is I que for games with ping under 100 so I'd assume my ping would be fine

[@StaminaLoss]

@@reelgesh51 Have you ever heard of the Healthrower? Or the Hemogoblin? Or possible even any of the smgs/rifles medic has? Just funny since I consider the Medic Missle to be Medic's noob trap weapon. It has this middle ground of being crowd control, damage dealer and healer, but in turns is worse at healing from the Healthrower being much more reliable and easier at trash clearing and healing, Hemogoblin healing single targets faster + does really well against bosses still and things like the 501 exist and basically does the same thing. Just if you wanted to be a healer, you have options and you could still use the Missle as well, just something to keep in mind. That and if you wanted to be the damage dealer, have you ever tried Demolitionist?

[@clxxdxd]

I personally think demo, support, sharpshooter, medic and gunslinger are the top 5 perks.

[@bradn2399]

I think firebug is really powerful its the best for clearing trash and level 20+ with helios rifle you can take down scrakes with ease

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah they are great for that.

[@soulz-_-5806]

i say sharpshooter is S tier because as long as Ur not new to the game or perk its kinda quite easy to use because if u need u have freeze grenades and u can buy the Mosin Nagant weapon for the bayonet to easily swipe through those waves. but coming to the bosses u can shred through them on HoE but i would change a couple of those classes im not the best player but i am preaty good at learning those classes

[@thecuchikiller]

Imo I prefer to play Swat over Commando, or even Support Specialist since I always prefer shotguns in zombie games.

[@jaredcross897]

Id put demo and firebug up at S tier. Never been in a match that wasnt carried by both classes

[@Accelos]

Personally I think Swat In B is a bit too much of a hit considering the amount of survivability they bring to the team. They unless it gets extremely hairy are lowest prio for healing since besides sirens they only take armor damage (eases medic's job, the medic can pocket squishier classes or damage prone classes SS, Zerk etc.). Get out of jail free nades/ Utility team execute nades ( as long as you aren't getting screamed at), I believe the only armor shredding gun in the game is "exclusive" to Swat (I still don't know why commando gets tommy from swat and not the g36), it's capable of holding an entire lane by itself ( can kill trash and if needed can headtrace a fp, or nade decap a scrake), low recoil easy to use guns, and all of that on top of the best starting perk in the game. I do give it that it falls off on endless, but for your standard survival I think B is too low. I would honestly put swat in mid A.

[@ZeroSumGamer]

I would say Firebug has a low skill ceiling since it is not hard to find crowds of Zeds and aim in their general direction. Also, will you be buying and play KF3 when it comes out?

[@ReapeeRon]

Yea I am going to be playing KF3 when it comes out.

[@Bereskarrn]

I think you rate Commando way too highly. I just recently maxed out my Commando's level, progressing from playing on Hard to Suicidal to Hell on Earth, and I have to say, Commando's effectiveness and usefulness drops SHARPLY on the higher two difficulties. It's A-tier on Normal/Hard, B or C-tier on Suicidal, and D-tier on HoE, especially when you take into consideration how much effort and aim is required to play Commando vs something like Support or Demo or Firebug. It plays an almost-entirely supportive role, killing small Zeds and extending Zed time etc, but anything that Commando can do, besides for Zed time extensions, Medic and SWAT and other trash-clearing perks can do just as well, on top of what they already do, such as healing and tanking damage for Medic or debuffing Zeds for SWAT, and also Medic. Commando relies almost entirely on its team to be effective if you're playing with more than 2 players in the match and can only help slightly vs large Zeds. If you see a Fleshpound coming at you on HoE you might as well kill yourself and then alt-F4 to save the Zeds the time, since all you'll do is piss off the FP and then get two-shot while reloading. I have trouble justifying why you'd choose playing Commando over Medic on Hell on Earth, besides for the Commando's weapons being fun. Sure, the Zed time extensions are great, but it's a pretty hit-or-miss ability since the only Zeds you'll be able to kill fast enough to trigger the next Zed time extension are Clots, Crawlers, and Stalkers, and your team will have to go out of their way to avoid killing them during Zed time, which is counter-intuitive to Zed time's core purpose of being a short period where everyone can do lots of damage really quickly. My preferred loadout for Commando is the FAL and the 401 Medic AR to help my team out, and at that point it would be better to just play Medic since I'm doing more healing than damage anyway.

[@tominator028]

Completely agree. I’m surprised commando wasn’t a low b-tier or even c-tier honestly. Also can’t believe demo is in b-tier, should be high A-tier maybe even S, it clears large zeds even better than gunslinger I’d argue. His list is kinda bad.

[@greennova-zi9tn]

Great video as always Ron! What’s your thoughts on the concept of making most commando and swat cross compatible similar to how sharpshooter and gunslinger have it but with more weapons?

[@Rahnonymous]

Tbh, making a commando and then a swat perk is like making support and then a perk that exclusively uses pistol shotguns. Like yeah, they are technically not the same, but they basically work the same. The only difference between the two is commando is more team focused while swat is more one man army focused.

[@milanfrags]

What do you mean a sharpshooter with a m14 and fn fal plays a commando role? Commando's role is to kill thrash and extend zed time and eventually if there is a chance helpout with a big zed takedown assuming mando holds a lane with sharp/slinger, but sharp and mando have like 0% same role...sharp is sharp, a head collector, who is king in taking down medium and big zeds, and has some good zed time skills that benefit you for dealing even more headshot damage. The fact that you put a perk that really rewards you for actually using your hands and game sense to the max just baffles me, sharpshooter is one of the strongest perks in the game both kf2 and kf1.

[@TyRosaLes]

Never knew you maje KF2 content too lol I came from your FNV tier lists

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah I used to make a ton of it.

[@ryansaghost21]

Been maining firebug love the high damage u do to mobs im always the most zeds killed bc of it but the variety of weapons you get compared to others is atrocious honestly.

[@sunlitsol5454]

I have the most fun playing Berserker and Demo, but when I want to shut my brain off after a long day at work I play Support. Its SO easy that its almost criminal.

[@moistygun]

Biggest mistake of starting killing floor 2 for me was picking sharpshooter and deciding to level it up to 25.

[@jesusfuentes7830]

@@moistygun me rn

[@jesusfuentes7830]

But why is this a bad decision

[@moistygun]

@jesusfuentes7830 your main priority is killing big zeds and you need to consistently hit headshots which is sometimes difficult due to the erratic movement of big zeds (especially when scrakes do their 360 chainsaw spin) also you can get really easily killed by smaller zeds due to your gun's ammunition not being the best

[@tye331]

If we're talking 6 man HoE sharp is B tier minimum. If you take rack em up with the m14 you can delete everything up to a scrake. If we're talking newbie on Hard I can see C tier, but if you can hit consistent headshots and have a half decent commando I'd put him in A. If you have the average brainlet firebug that seems to exist in most pubs though he's Z tier because nothing is visible. Putting Swat that low is nuts though, a single swat can literally just run around the map and do whatever he wants on HoE because stun grenades are scuffed.

[@arthurcazes1605]

Truth be told: none of the perks are perfect. Its okay, anyone have own points of view, but i do prefer go with team survival experience. On 6 player Hell on Earth situation, SWAT, Firebug or Commando does not kill a fleshpound faster because they simply don't have enough stopping power. Yes there are perks with more vitality and speed, other perks deals great damage etc, but again, It is 6p HoE where Sharpshooter shines better. Sharpshooter is great as it is. I have to say, it really sucks if not at lvl25 for trigger zedtime. Tripwire have my congrats for let this perk with high learning curve, making It perfect for those who seek headshots. If i have issues with smalls, M14. But If not, AMR with +2 backup and 500 S&W. What about largies? Compound/Xbow or FAL (or the easiest weapon to takedown larges right now, HeadHunter). If Tripwire buffs some of the Sharpshooter's Skills, It might be the most OP perk to be honest. The HRG Guns made the perk easier to play but way less rewarding, which is not fun except for 93r. Do i need to say it is great against Bosses unlike others? I have one and other issues with ANY perks, but in my opinion, SS is pretty straight, and such a underrated perk. It has answers with some builds and loadouts. Knowledge and wisdom is key. Perks like Commando and Sharpshooter together can hold the entire team way better than one survivalist or medic last standing, even when the team does not understand each other.

[@ReapeeRon]

That can true, Sharpshooter is probably the hardest class to play effectively out of the lot.

[@younggarde4797]

bloody hell, nobody uses AMR it's slow as heck and useless.@@ReapeeRon

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

Played the game, started as sharpshooter. Absolute garbage for a new player, especially when you play with people who never stay with you and you get surrounded by everything cause of lack of movement and survivability.

[@younggarde4797]

It's C tier, right, but the game about pacing not shooting. So it's fit?

[@ReapeeRon]

sure?

[@younggarde4797]

@@ReapeeRon It's all about pacing.

[@helmetmcbaron]

​@@younggarde4797dumb dumb you never stated the perk in the first place...

[@maji-yn4mj]

wandering how to change to this cartoon picture quality in your video？

[@ReapeeRon]

Those are modded maps in the steam workshop

[@maji-yn4mj]

thanks alot，could you tell me the maps name，cos its looks really good@@ReapeeRon

[@macleben3443]

Anyone thats on PS4 that would be willing to help on killing floor hell on earth would massively appreciate it

[@tominator028]

Add me tominator325

[@j_tha_panther]

Nah firebug in c is crazy

[@wooj82]

Intersting list, it seems like every perk has a low skill floor according to this list!

[@jayyneverforget3047]

I've played kf2 for a few years and maxed every class,, I'm intrigued to see what your tier list is compared to mine 😂😂

[@maxgo3537]

I could wipe everything off out of my way with sharpshooter class and aim assist. Its tier S

[@jdirty335]

You do killing floor 2 content??? Subscribing because I know you will do Killing floor 3 when it comes out 😏

[@tapatapop7888]

Map name?

[@cuscuz.69420]

gunslinger with autoclick is too much fun

[@younggarde4797]

You will ran out of zeds, lmao, in a bad way..

[@fozymilograno]

Firebug, B tier? Are you out of your mind? lol! hahahaahah!

[@ReapeeRon]

I think that is pretty fair.

[@fozymilograno]

@@ReapeeRon No way mate. He is OP since the last update. You don't need much effort to get the most kills, including big zeds. He is safe, earn "loads of money", assists. Remember that this game is not KF 1, when he was a trash killer.

[@jankonobles2]

yea i also think firebug should be a lot higher, A class at least. Flamethrower + dragonsblaze + couple of molotovs under my feet and im practically untouchable. Trash will burn and larger zeds got killed by dragonsblaze, especially in ZED time with unlimited ammo and faster shooting

[@Akira556]

Blah blah blah grenade launcher boom boom

[@KamiNekoTH]

My personal tier list 6p HOE coordinated team , high level play S: Com SS GS Med A: Zerk FB Demo B : Sup C: Surv SWAT 6p HOE Controlled Difficulty (CD) or Any precision perks only servers (banned Zerk , FB , Demo , Surv) S : Com SS GS A : Med B : Sup C : SWAT 6p HOE public game S: Zerk FB Demo Med A: Sup Surv Com GS B: SS C: SWAT Solo HOE S: GS Surv A: Com FB B : Zerk Sup SS SWAT Demo C : Med

[@charlieribbit8253]

Nope

[@hk86950]

Yep

[@deathwalker2580]

plays with a controller... and puts firebug in B, clearly a bad representation of the meta community

[@slotmaster3092]

all demo... all the time.

[@Riverlee74]

You definitely earned another subscriber. I am a girl gamer from Canada and I love killing floor. I hope they come out with new updates with the PS5 thank you ❤