Reballing With Low Cost/HomeMade Equipement

Reballing with a modified alogen stove for preheating and a hot-hair station. Reballing kit from china ;)

[@abello4f1]

Great job. With whole computers and laptops being seen as replaceable field units nowadays, its cool when someone goes back to basics and does the tech work themselves. Great effort. I was kinda nervous that it wasn't gonna work with all that effort you put in.

[@zviki68]

Do you think that he will put the video on KZbin if that thing will not work?

[@Thatoneblackguy258]

Zviki Would be a lesson in what not to do. Plus he already went through the trouble of getting the footage might as well.

[@esplonky6502]

Thatoneblackguy258 Zviki Also, he seems to know what he's doing

[@zviki68]

***** That's what I mean.

[@needparalegal]

considering solder balls are put on by precise machines I wouldn't be surprised if this was not the first attempt and it took many redos to get it to work. Especially considering the way he drops the chip onto the mobo, nothing precise there.

[@ARamseyGuy]

Bonus points for the Unreal soundtrack

[@SouthCoastMudlarks]

Good job. Ignore the haters. They do not realise an infrared BGA reworkstation costs thousands and the little men can't afford that. Improvisation as shown here is excellent.

[@thingshappen9199]

What is the big metal piece on top of the ship? I'm guessing is to melt the solder and remove the ship? But how is it transmitting heat to the ship?

[@2ndrunraidshadowlegends631]

Actually you can get the ir elements extremely cheap from Ali around £30 for a full set. Add a thermocouple or get a pid and hey presto bga rework for less then £100

[@said-ge6bl]

@@2ndrunraidshadowlegends631 Yeah, but years ago they have been more expensive.

[@krnlg]

@@thingshappen9199 Its a hot air gun :)

[@mcac-youtube]

Yes, the prices are lower, bur the work still is too hard to do.

[@HeywaitAsec]

Man just wanna pay my deepest respect to you for taking the intuitive to do this shit. Realy man respect from Holland.

[@wn_djogja]

OK, now lets declare BGA as crime against humanity... >.

[@Project737NGX]

I have been in electronics a long long time but never attempted to reball. You are an expert to say the least, great video!!! I normally comment about people that don't talk during the videos but no words were needed in this one.

[@ovalwingnut]

Holy BGA Batman! This is the most "ballsie", "hardcore" board level repair I've ever seen. More balls than a pachinko machine. I get stressed inserting a 48 pin DIP. I would have never believed it unless I saw it for myself. I'm not familiar with BGA's.. but I"m assuming (hoping) that there are little divots or half round impressions that the solder balls roll into. Otherwise I would have not clue how the balls were aligned. And then to visually place the chip onto the board, no guid.. Wow.. Good job. I wouldn't worry about cost vs time. IMHO just being able to do it brings its own rewards. This would certainly make any other rework seem like child's play. Have no fear comes to mind. I do wonder why it was replaced. The real magic may be in the fact you knew it was defective :O) Cheers! And keep it up!

[@solidkarma9003]

+OvalWingNut these dell models are legendary for it. i have the same right here. found it trashed full of thermal paste. it was literally everywhere. no joke. cleaned it though I thought about doing the reballing with a heatgun. ive seen vids where it worked. though I totally understand why these methods arent liked. how much does that professional kit cost anyway?

[@dialupdavid]

+Solid Karma For a full Professional Reballing station you're looking at well over ~$1000. Then tack on ESD safe / professional grade Irons and such and you're probably looking at the ~$1500 range. Of course, a single reball is in the neighborhood of ~$80 so it could repay itself in a month of work.

[@Slixious]

You use something called a stencil. I just bought a cheap set of them from China to hopefully cover most (if not all) possible sizes). Not an expert myself, but I've seen you can also use solder paste to do the job (they should ball up when heating up), although I'm go for the balls if possible. As for the guide (aligning the GPU to the board properly), I'd be very worried about getting that right.

[@danriley903]

DON'T KID YOURSELF. THERE IS NOTHING AMATEUR ABOUT THIS. GREAT VIDEO AND MUSIC!

[@RobThePlumber]

Super mad skills. I personally would have scraped the laptop.

[@cjoe42]

Great work making this look easy. What no one has ever shown is how to remove the epoxy that holds the chip on a HP motherboard. I spent an hour digging it off then realize it got soft when it was heated. No one ever tells you that if you knock off any component from the laptop while the solder is heated, will kill the motherboard for sure. This job is not for impatient people My total equipment cost was around $200US for the SMD Rework Station, balls, stencil, flux and copper wick. No vice tho

[@PabloDiaz-pm5kz]

unreal tournament music! great video!

[@edwinrj]

+Pablo Diaz yees !! haha me di cuenta tambien

[@DudidumMusic]

That's the best part of the video!

[@Potatofarmer1898]

That is almost the entire Unreal Tournament 2000 soundtrack. Love that game!!! Fantastic job reballing.

[@LawrenceDuffy477]

Great technique. But what exactly is homemade???? The store bought jig??? The store bought reballs them self??? Home made Vacuum pen???? Homemade no clean flux??? The make shift heater for pre heating I guess, But that's store bought as well. A hack, but still store bought. Kapton tape must be homemade then?????

[@TehHijack]

Don't be a wise ass. I think he meant DIY instead of home-made. Some people lack common sense.

[@Gunchulis]

I really hope you don't do any homemade projects... as based on your logic you would want to grow trees in your living room, mine ores and smelt them into bars, do some smithing to craft ur tools so u can say the project is 100% homemade.

[@LALXLSKC]

Your ugliness is homemade 100%

[@reaper57abvbg]

Over 30 years and you still don't know why a reball is done! Wow you must be a real pro!

[@audisam]

you call that homemade equipment .. maybe if you live in CHINA lmao

[@AmethystSpeaks]

+2012TheAndromeda "Common home" is not "low cost" or "home made".

[@CodeAsm]

+audisam You can get most of that for china prices if you look at Alixpress :P

[@victorius2006]

The only "home made" is the heater XDDDD

[@randynewmanwillkilly]

some of the commercial re-flowing equipment is like 15 grand or more dude.

[@ncdave4life]

I have all that stuff in my kitchen, don't you? E.g., the stencil is for cake decorating. Well, except the Q-tip. I don't keep that in the kitchen. That's in the bathroom. 😉

[@tjones99]

Wow, Emanuele, I thought I was hard core doing basic SMD work at home... I bow to you... well done and I learned a lot...

[@Schule04]

The music is from unreal tournament 99.

[@AbuGuroza]

i was thought it from ace combat 3

[@AndyLo79]

They don't make memorable soundtracks like this any more. I recognized it right away!

[@xRenethx]

He's only dragging it over the CPU/GPU pads. It's not like he's dragging it all over the motherboard where the traces and such are. This is a must for cleaning pads like that anyway.

[@asimpleson]

Thumbs up if Nvidia was the first thing that came to your mind.

[@JackBandicootsBunker]

More like HP laptops...

[@marcobho747]

Aspr aah the fucking geforce 8 series

[@RoxGYT]

@@marcobho747 I have litterally 3 motherboards with faulty 8400M GTs

[@andisadler1668]

Of course it works!, no reason why it wont last years. Just exactly same as the xbox RROD fix. Just ensure you have suitable cooling!. Excellent video,very thorough.

[@beickus]

by noo means homemade - quite professional

[@kglefo]

This man has the patience of Job. I just don't think I have it in me to do such meticulous work. It's fun watching someone else do it, though (I feel similarly about household chores). :)

[@I-am-superor]

Unreal music is good theme

[@jeffroden1]

Reball is the way to go guys and girls. and NO reflow doesnt do the same thing. See what your missing is when you reball the NEW type solder can handle MUCH geater temps. Allowing the system to be ok running at the hotter temp. (Just like they should have done from the Manufacturer) nice work for home made.

[@extazacollective]

Cile

[@mihajlomirkovic7658]

Hahah da :D

[@mihajlomirkovic7658]

Hahaha :D

[@cls9705]

Juhu!!!Nista bez Cika Cileta :D XD

[@user-jk9ho8ol9i]

Cile mu nabio preglede haha :D

[@DirExxVM]

Veljko Markovic Nabio mu preglede a cile ima 19.224 gledaoca ,a pola od njih nisu usli na link.. znaci max gledaoca sto mu je Cile "nabio" 10.000 do 15.000

[@71dembonesTV]

Very impressive! I'm just learning about BGA chips and they seem like a pain to work with. Wouldn't have thought so if I watched this first! I guess this is the "next level" in ICs after SMT ICs with the external legs.

[@jasonnets4036]

Why didn't you put thermal paste on the GPU before reassembling?

[@Slixious]

It did say preliminary testing, so nothing is to say it wasn't done later on or even off camera.

[@HCL991]

Cant believe i watched someone really reball his graphics IC... Unbelievable!! Great work!

[@michaelhansen698]

reballing a dead chip is like installing windows without a windows key every month

[@localit2890]

But that's just it. the chip isn't always the problem, the problem is micro-fractures in the solder. Leadfree solder is more prone to get the fractures than lead based solder.

[@randynewmanwillkilly]

Yeah, we should fuck his shit up and make things like spare tires and fix-o-flat illegal.

[@jayburns2803]

thanks for helping me confirm that there is a lot more to this that a hair dryer, tapping on the top of the gpu, and a little patience

[@HansVanIngelgom]

And then you discover you placed the IC backwards :-)

[@BlaineMurphy]

Right, I was mainly pointing out that reflowing isn't always reliable; reballing will work for a considerable while longer if not indefinitely. Package replacement to a better revision (in the case of the notorious NVidia 8500M) can also be a solution. Some failures doe to the ball flexing that you mentioned are due to poor internal package layout and material choices on the manufacturer's part. Sometimes newer revisions of the package address the underlying issues that lead to failure.

[@eastcoastcomputer]

Considering this is so labor intensive, is there an advantage over just replacing the board?

[@LizzyDaWizzy]

Cost, once you have a little base of equipment, exchanging single parts becomes easier from day to day. Theres Laptops with everything on one single board, replacing this is fairly cost intensive. Imagine a broken video card in the 1000USD price range with no warranty left, what would you do? Replace it or repair an IC thats obviously broken. This is just alot more cost effective.

[@eastcoastcomputer]

LizzyDaWizzy I replace about 3 - 5 laptop motherboards a year. Considering the cost of around $100-200 on the low end laptops, and I have to go through the effort of removing them, I see no point in reballing.

[@ShinIkari]

eastcoastcomputer And what about mid to hi end ones? Around 500$ for a board, while reballing is 50-80. A bit over 100$ if you replace the chip

[@eastcoastcomputer]

I would think that a $500 board would be better constructed.

[@LizzyDaWizzy]

eastcoastcomputer Anything can break obviously.

[@ShottyOtty1]

i have no idea what you're doing but i can't stop watching

[@edmprime8415]

SINOVI, KAD OVO BUDETE ZNALI ONDA KAZITE DA ZNATE O KOMPIJUTERIMA

[@ShakalJC]

A neko ne zna da ocisti lap top od prasine xD

[@zmuk3727]

Ja znam. Na eBay-u ima tih kitova

[@gustavovispo3915]

I can't believe that great job, only for patient people. I'd like to have this skill.

[@JihadPowell]

thats skill

[@george78779]

Great skill to have, thank you for the video. Unfortunately we are living in a throw away society everything is broken we most throw away and buy a new one.

[@dimitriostryfonopoylos6197]

Balls are leaded or leaded free?

[@EmanueleVedovati]

leaded ;)

[@frankymanky322]

+Emanuele Vedovati Here due to MS just loving lead free! Wrrryyyyyy!?

[@yuhongliu9099]

Must be leaded, reflowing at 200C.

[@DudesBigBelow]

I was very impressed; being a former game repair center manager, the company I worked for would've never sprung for the equiptment that I needed to do a great job like you did. Thinking of investing in my own tools, I already have an infra-red toaster oven that I do minor repairs in, but going that extra mile seems to be the route that I have to take and why not do it properly.

[@AJRestoration]

All this hassle, id buy a new laptop!

[@healthpointmauritius2619]

It's worth the effort. What would you chose ? Spend 80 to 160 used for a kit or get same problems with a new laptop after 5 years? Most laptops get same problem with time as heat wears out the platine conductor on the board so it's a good investment as all laptops come with that tech so kit is useful for all laptops and less money wasting

[@josefaschwanden1502]

@@healthpointmauritius2619 never had a laptop wich needed reballing

[@Oitucrem]

This does work, a couple of things you got to keep in mind though. What you did was remelt the soldier points, but probably improperly. The soldier points will get crystallized if you partially melt them. This causes 2 things: 1. Early failure of the soldier (which means it will fail again sooner rather then later) 2. Will cause soldier to require HIGHER temps to melt. Eventually too hot for the components to survive. Take steps before it gets like that. DID my PS3 too. :)

[@rosewebber7114]

this vidio is boring but my dad likes it

[@harryholley]

I have reflowed many of those. The first time I ever had that issue I found out about it. Reflowed it, then sold it. How much it would cost to have someone do this, vs selling the parts and buying a new system, doesn't make sense to me. But this video also helps show how to replace a by a chip, like say replacing that crappy AMD E-300 APU that's in my laptop. But for my time and money, another laptop is cheaper. Great video and and you have great patience.

[@Ben333bacc]

Unreal Tournament music lol

[@MathiasTenge]

So the computer is running again, so you can install windows 7 and disable the timelapse Thanks for this,good job!

[@vanjaruzin4263]

Ajmo like ko je ovde zbog cileta :D

[@BlaineMurphy]

*Reflowing only works for a short period of time. Replacing the balls sometimes helps because the solder that is already on the unit becomes brittle and cracks when the boards flex. Just heating the board will help, but it's not a sure fix, not even a reball is sometimes as the underlying problem is a poorly designed package for heat dispersion. Both reballing and reflowing will reconnect those lost connections (reballing for a longer period usually) but neither will fix a bad package design.

[@Miducuast]

Even tough the technician is very skillful and its repair successful is not in a home enviroment or home workshop. He uses tools that I guess are not even home tools. Like the plastic vise to work on the IC. Also the tape is special since it has that copper color. Neither he does explain what elements he uses on the IC like the "balls" that I clearly deduct that are soldering metal in tiny balls presentation. And finally one can see clearly that that is sophisticated repair place. It's not a home environment and doesn't even say why the laptop needs the repair.

[@fretl3ss]

The vise is not neccessary, it makes your life easier but not neccesary. The yellow tape is kapton (heat resistant tape) and for any electronics hobbyist its a must-have. The balls are solder metal that you can purchase in any shop that sells electronics hobby stuff. The hot air station can be purchased of ebay for as low as $60. Surely this isn't stuff for the average joe, rather an average electronics hobbyist.

[@Project737NGX]

Everything he is using is what electronic hobbyist have in their shop except the IC holder and I am sure you could get one of those on eBay, yep, here is one for $62 www.ebay.com/itm/like/121256139411?lpid=82. As for the reason the machine needed repair, does not matter because the demo was to show his MAD SKILLS at reballing not troubleshooting. Regards, Electronic Tech for 28 years

[@Miducuast]

fretl3ss I agree man. For what I can see at the video he's a computer repair shop. Most likely a service place where one sends laptops to be repaired on warranty.

[@Miducuast]

***** Awsome info, man!!! Yet what I critized is that he posted it as home video when it's made at computer repair shop. At least I know where to get the IC holder!!! Again thanks fro the info!!!

[@Miducuast]

fretl3ss And before I forget, thanks for the info. I might get that tape!! :)

[@dennisdelfino]

Wow, impressive. Some real precision work. Very cool music too, made the video even better.

[@victorius2006]

"low cost & home made"??... quien no tiene en casa un soldador de aire caliente y un porta plantillas para colocar las bolitas de estaño?, jajajaja... Lo único casero de todo el vídeo es lo de la estufa, el resto de casero y bajo costo no tiene NADA (que tampoco es que digamos que es caro, pero tampoco es lowcost)

[@abrahamreyes861]

Es que no sé si pidió un reballing kit de China la verdad no se en cuánto le salió digo si te vas a dedicar a eso vale la pena la inversión pero para un solo dispositivo a menos de que haya sido super costoso no vale la pena y luego qué tal si no era el chip y era un capacitor o qué se yo, con piezas tan diminutas.

[@theforeverpuddle8754]

Really phenomenal job. Cannot deny the skills.

[@chrekgoole4064]

reballing to fix the gpu, is pure, fucking, bullshit

YEah, it worked that week, but just that week.

[@randynewmanwillkilly]

yeah but reballing to fix fucked up solder balls isn't.

[@jorgeder7202]

Wow that is beyond amazing, anybody who has successfully ever reballed one motherboard will buy this guy happily several Beers/coffee/whatever :) If you ever come to Melbourne mate feel free to reply here and I will keep up on that promise. What is your success rate and how many have you re-balled?

[@Tubesofthenorth]

Nice work pal... its defo the "Brain Surgery" of the laptop repair world!

[@magalimoreno2084]

You could repair all of the OKYO/INTEGRA home theater receivers around the world by doing this on their HDMI defective boards... God bless you!

[@kevingarren5198]

That's some good clean work! Most hacks just put the board in a stove we call them shake and bakes there garbage. Your system is very nice the only thing is for all that work I think I'd have put a new chip in instead of just cleaning the old one. That way if you use a good thermal paste you know it's gonna last atleast two years before you have to crack the case again.

[@OneCoolDude08]

Right, that is why I put alogen in quotes. It's an obvious typo for halogen. On the Chinese import sites they sell a halogen bbq that looks almost identical to this one, and it sells for $96. He called it a stove not a room heater, but sometimes things get lost in translation, so I guess it could be either. I would like to try this, and need to keep costs down so I will look for a $25 room heater. Thanks for the tip!

[@jimstratton5793]

once you do a few reballs you can get them done in under 20 mins with a fully automated rework station. Five to remove the chip 10 preparing the board and chip for it. Also would recommend a new tip something flat like a chisel and go row by row. dont drag the desoldering wick as you can damage the board. Also save yourself so much time get a stencilthat fits without taping and you just dump extra solder balls off back into the jar, i felt sorry for you pick all those .6mm by hand at least they looked about that size based on the chip. Good luck your doing alot of extra work that one five dollar piece would save you hours.

[@mohamedatef2383]

The most amazing and professional video i had ever seen

[@killarmy220]

Unreal Tournament soundtrack ! :)) old good times...

[@h.thoreau9240]

In reality the work is not difficult, it is tedious without proper tools, but manageable. I'd consider this more of a temporary solution, alleviating issues that a full re-ball would fix.

[@BlaineMurphy]

It's cool to see this done with low cost stuff, it's definitely not a procedure for the feint of heart.

[@Kalvinjj]

You would be surprized to see how PCBs are made, even more how processors are made! Sure tou can damage a lot of things without care, but if you are experient (I am, but neither I ever tried this) you can make the repair without damaging other components. Being carefull and experient is the key, of course experience you get with time...

[@Kalvinjj]

Did that! Working! BTW, the computer I'm using right now! Can be temporary, but I realy don't have the stuff for reballing, neither the money... So, let's go for the oven.

[@paulobarbosa859]

gostei muito desse vidio,isso nos mostra que quando temos vontade da para conserta qualquer coisa sem muitos equipamentos modernos que o mercado nos obriga o compra,com um simples soprador e um ferro de solda improvisado da sim para fazer um retrabalho na bga. obrigado

[@ravi1617]

Good removal ,for direct heat bg stencil 1st solder at least 3-4 corner balls with paste and blower then place the tencil

[@digitalPimple]

what temp do you use to flow the balls to the chip when it's still in the blue bga tool?

[@PyromancerRift]

Woooow you have big balls to do that !

[@SianaGearz]

Tiny balls. Hundreds, sometimes more than a thousand tiny balls per chip.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Should give the clients the video of the repair as well to show them how complicated it is so they'll stop moaning about the cost of repairs :)

[@AMindInOverdrive]

Wow. That's some precision work there!

[@booyah1439]

thank you for sharing this clearly not for the average pc enthusiast still a very good alternative .

[@JahanZeb1976]

You are simply awesome. Great work. I wish, I must be smart enough like you and upload videos like you to my channel!

[@jocelinmeza5782]

Hermoso video, he visto varios de reballing pero este, es como dicen en mi pueblo lo hiciste de manera artesanal.

[@GedersonZeferinodaSilva]

Emanuele, un belissimo lavvoro, felicitacione, graccie per la tua idea. Perdonadme por mi mal hablado italiano,mis idiomas son Portugues y Español, saludos desde Brasil

[@ManosR34]

Unbeliveable !!!!! I 'm sure your are a doctor.Amazing!!!!

[@rjnash2610]

Ahh the music! Such wonderful memories...

[@Oitucrem]

The thermometer with the meter is actually a component that is purchasable for the model in question. For example, I use a FLUTE multimeter and have a temperature component like the one the Mr. Vedovati uses in his video.

[@valveman12]

No just asked a question. Seems like a lot of work to change a processor. I only commented because I have never had a reason to do this. Just wanted to know why and why someone would take the time to do this. Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

[@reaper57abvbg]

I am talking about theory! Practice is what matters! In school they don't teach you how to do things like this, they only teach you how things work, not how they break, or how to fix them, especially with homemade equipment!

[@rejakamal5637]

very nice and useful post..plz keep it continue

[@optmius99]

Wow this is crazy. I loved it, you must have steady hands and huge knowledge to do this. Its like brain surgery :)

[@xxxkris44]

OMG...Amazing! Fascinating! I envy you dude, you have some crazy skills. Super cool stuff.

[@12345openi]

no metter what tools he use,with knowlege and chines hands he show perfect work,its art

[@blazetownsend8785]

Those units have built in shut offs for when the unit's get tipped. Also they have limits on how hot they get. Those are likely disabled.

[@d3v2011]

I found another just like that, a little bit cheaper actually, and it came with the solder balls, some flux, etc. everything needed besides the heat source.

[@CorporateEvolution]

I can't imagine myself attempting this these days. Maybe 10 years ago I would be up for it.

[@MrAmiga5]

Pretty fancy process but not necessary. The heating up to a flow point is all that is required.

[@spbstan]

The stencil should be of a metal like stainless steel where the solder will not hold. So if the balls are sticking to the stencil, you did not get the chip itself hot enough to reflow the solder through the stencil and bond with the pads of the chip. The chip pad temperature needs to be high enough to melt the solder itself.

[@6561Cido]

Este video é fantastico.Utilizamos nossos equipamento e nem mesmo nos importamos em saber como isto chega as nossas maos.Excelente!!!!

[@BeSushkin]

Nice UNREAL TOURNAMENT theme there on the background!

[@Burnitnow567]

OMG that's an enormous amount of work..

[@azatiku]

I HAD A FEELING THAT THE MUSIC IS FROM UNREAL TOURNAMENT , I WAS RIGHT

[@ocayaro]

I agree. Surely some aluminium foil will protect tiny components that are not part of the reballing process.

[@valveman12]

Thank you for the response Henry. I hope I never have to do this cause it looks like a lot of work. I suspect most people probably throw the board away and get a new one since they may not have the experience (like me) to do this.

[@ZxRx7]

Your patience makes me impatient!

[@GreekOrc]

All manufacturers uses lead free solder balls under the chips.These balls are friendly for the "green"earth (Bullsh!t) but melts to about 110-120 Celsius... Graphic cards rises highly temperatures if the pad or heatsinks won't work properly so balls melted and make bridges under the chip. So they need reballing ;-) .. On reballing we use leaded balls :) which melted to 190+ Celsius ...

[@djricoh]

nice video! btw is there something under the motherboard? or its resting on the grill direct?:D

[@crazycrak41278]

Mad props man. I always wanted to try doing this to a 360 or the HP DV series laptops. I replaced a few mobos in some HP's, but don't know if I would ever try this. Good Job.

[@lukescanders4388]

Thanks alot - really appreciate it. I have been spending at least 3 hours looking through the internet for a good deal, and you gave it straight and simple - thanks again for that. I dont really want to buy a new PS3, as I could get the tools for (what seems like) a similar price, and it means I can keep them, and maybe help out the countless friends who also have the Yellow Light of Death (GPU problems) on their PlayStations. Thanks again.

[@Two_wheels_ninja]

Did you end up doing it?