Rebutting Genesis Apologetics - 6th of 7 Alleged Myths Pt III

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[@simongiles9749]

Genesis Apologetics: "'They' say Moses didn't write the Pentateuch" Aron: Assembles the "They" to demolish Genesis Apologetics.

[@Lightman741]

Newly deconverted Christian here! First time I listened to Aron I thought he was Satan, now they are a well of sanity

[@pansepot1490]

Welcome to the dark side, ;)😅

[@chezeus1672]

welcome to the worldly world :)

[@speciesspeciate6429]

Welcome to the real world.

[@iridescent880]

Welcome to evident reality.

[@rcchristian2]

Now you can start living the most truthful life. There's a reason why most people aren't atheist. The truth isn't an easy path, nor is there any comfort. Now on to the task of making it comfortable and being a responsible adult. Good luck to you!

[@tylerbenschoter2075]

It's crazy how Aron can get so many biblical scholars on his channel so often.

[@AeonAxisProductions]

Because they hate creationists and biblical literalists almost as much as we do

[@kaylamerrick5821]

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[@pxnchx93]

Have you watched Mythvision or Gnostic Informant? Those channel get even more, way more, they’re great

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Hes been part of the online atheist community since it began and is a successful youtuber. He's friends with most of them and can just call them up for a chat.

[@Rob-ys6ot]

Good point! And be happy and eager to get involved.

[@natew.7951]

This stuff is gold. Thanks for getting the experts to weigh in Aron!

[@natew.7951]

@@raysalmon6566 what does Mike Winger's opinion of Bart Ehrman's opinion of Mark's portrayal of Jesus have to do with this video? Quoting random video transcripts just makes you look ignorant. Do you have any comment about this video?

[@feedingravens]

When I see your dog at the end, no one can tell me a dog is not a sentient, empathetic being. And NOT a soulless automaton. They can read our mood, our character better than you can do it yourself. They cannot talk, they cannot count, true. Neil SeGrasse Tyson told the story of a Border Collie that knew the names of a thousand toys. They got a new one hid it in the living room, and then told him "Where is the Einstein?" and off he was. Took him a little longer, but he came back with the correct toy, an Einstein puppet. So he was able to think "that I know by name - can't be it - that I know - oh, that is new, that MUST be Einstein!" Dogs obbviously dream, you can see their legs twitching in their sleep, even a muffled bark - they are mumbling in their sleep. In any case they are more sentient than an embryo without a brain... But for the hardcore christians it is of utmost important that they are incomparably more important for their omnipotent invisible superman, because that boosts their vanity.

[@dogwalker666]

Agreed, Border Collies are incredibly smart they understand the vocabulary of a 7 year old human.

[@feedingravens]

@@dogwalker666 It must be a pain to have one - keep him occupied. I learned that the shepherds do not even have to train the young ones, they just watch what the old ones are doing to control the herd. And it seems to be their instinct that when some being is around, to keeep that under control. I do not remember the breed, but I was on a field with the (HUGE) box of my model glider, and there was a shepherd with her flock there, an old woman in her car and her dogs out. I walked past the flock, and one of the dogs came running and bit me in the hip - just like they do it with a sheep. I stood there, speechless, and she started bickering that I am mean against her dogs. I screamed "I haven't done ANYthing! I just walked past". It did not hurt, but to be treated as sheep had never happened to me before.

[@baconghoti]

@@dogwalker666 the average 7yr old has a vocabulary of around 7 thousand words, the lowest quarter grouping is still over 3 thousand. No dog has a vocabulary that high. You are thinking about the study that, after effort and specific training, got a collie to a vocab of a 3yr old. An average 7yr old has a vocab 7 times higher than an exceptionally trained collie which in turn is 7 times higher than an average dog.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

No, human beings as a group are capable of more than any group of dogs because human beings have the capability of not only understanding language but also of speaking. So unlike dogs human beings are capable of building temples, whether it's a cathedral in medevil times or a soccer stadium in dubay.

[@antifajesus]

I wish I had the money to put up the billboard RN, the one in Texarkana that says "6 letters can change your life; A R O N R A Look it up"

[@JesusChrist-pd9py]

It's honestly infuriating that some people believe and propagate these myths as fact. Especially when they target children. Moses, god, and pretty much every biblical character are a collection of people condensed into 1 because apparently the biblical authors had little to no creativity. I'm real though, I promise. I would say "have a blessed day" but a fictional character can't bless anyone. Dad and I love your content so keep up the good work Aron ❤

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

But you're real Jesus. Isn't that what it's all about? At least that's what I always hear from these Christians in Ala freaking Bama- "Don't you know that Jesus loves you, and had a plan for your life?" Lol, my response is always the same- "Anyone claiming they love me, are people that know me! Jesus don't know me, and if he wanted to know me, he needs to do a better job at showing interest." All these false promises, these manipulation tactics by the pulpit needs to be considered abuse, especially when it comes to young children. Anyway, just thought I'd reply and tell you that I can believe in you, being that your name is Jesus Christ, and that you're actually real. Whether or not you're actually a person named Jesus is basically the same thing christians have as proof, if that. Take care.

[@JesusChrist-pd9py]

@@MetallicAAlabamA Idk what all that "Jesus loves you" nonsense is about cuz I don't love people I don't know. Also, neither myself nor "god" have any plans for da hoomans.

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

@@JesusChrist-pd9py You are a lucky person then. Cause in the bible belt "Jesus loves you!" is everywhere. There is a church not far from my house and they will stand at the 4 way stop where it's located to hand out flyers with bible verses on em' and with "Jesus loves you". They do not like me at all, because I gave them some flyers of my own with Exodus 21, and the many, many other immoral and insane verses of the bible where their eyes cannot miss em', and located right on top of these flyers I made for em' is- "It's a fact that non-religious nations have a better way of life, better education, and low crime rates. With nearly all 3rd world countries are one religion or another. So you can keep your Jesus love for the bigots!" Yeah they DO NOT like me. Just thought you may appreciate something like that lol.

[@GuitarDog_atx]

Are you a fan of the band 9-inch Nails?

[@sarbnitrof4663]

@@GuitarDog_atx this question being asked by an animal is gold.

[@charlestownsend9280]

Barely a minute in and that's not why people don't think that moses wrote the books of moses (they probably are reasons but not the biggest ones), it's because moses didn't exist.

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

I love AronRa's intro and outro tunes, especially the outro.

[@mjako81]

lets hope that outro is sufficiently changed that he wont get a copyright strike on it. They might let it go.

[@Lamster66]

Those guitars are forged in the fires of hell and strung with the entrails of christians

[@Lamster66]

@@mjako81 If he gets away with it it'll be testement to their serenity

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

@@Mar-dk3mp Lol! It really does suck when people are so freaking affraid that their religious beliefs are likely wrong and they don't want to admit it. I have no interest in having any kind of discussion with people who simply WILL NOT take the time and actually see what's fact and what isn't. And that is exactly what the majority of the "We know there is a god, and we know we have souls, because there is no way anything could be different!" Uh, yeah it can, and it is! Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else who thinks that way. This is theists problem, and instead of using what evolution has helped us develop, AKA the brain. Theist want to discard all of what science has helped us with, what it has taught us, and what we can learn from it, only to say "Fuck science!" and sit back expecting Jesus Christ to come back, or whatever. When you don't even realize the very god yall believe in can't even make itself known to people who actually could use some supernatural intervention, and keep coming up with some bullshit like "You have to give your mind to god, your heart and soul. If you do, god will listen. God has shown himself to me, god has spoke to me!" On and on with that nonsense! I've lived in a world with people who believe, still believe, and will continue to believe. And not once has their god done anything for them! And if you or any other theist think that god helped them, and still does. Well, thanks for showing just how boastful of an arrogant human being you all are. Cause you are definitely not better than the people I know who believe. They don't speak down to people, they don't criticize people, they are always helping and doing things for everyone else, with the idea god will award them after they die. So keep those comments to yourself! And if you honestly believe in your god? Then pray that he makes himself known so they can understand and believe. But we all know isn't going to happen. And tbh, yall are.the ones that better hope he's not real. Cause if he happens to be. Than all indicators show that you're all going to be in for a rude awakening full of an infinite lifetime of abuse and endless worshipping on your knees like the mental slaves that yall already are. Yall are going to be very disappointed! But more than likely, just as you didn't remember anything before your birth, the same will happen in death. Non existence! And that scares the fuck outta you. That's why we should appreciate what we have today, the people we love today, and we should work to make everyone's lives better. But nope! Thanks to the evangelicals reign over this country the last 100 years, and the fact that they've destroyed people's lives, and did everything they could to keep minorities from having any financial gain. But I bet you don't believe that because of reasons. Wasn't white atheist that segregated the African Americans in the early and mid 20th century. It wasn't the Atheist who didn't allow minorities to have a chance at a life. Hell, Atheist were deemed satanic, evil, and just like homosexuals, they weren't allowed to be known. And if they were, they were either killed, or treated like shit! When your God proves to the world he's real, and does what is right! And shows people that being bigots and morons won't help, and isn't the right way to be. Then stfu!

[@KrakenZer0]

i actually visited a supposed site of Moses' grave. it is in Hodatsu, Ishikawa, Japan. the story, written in Japanese and English at the site called Moses Park, is that Moses was taken into the sky by a UFO and ended up in Japan, taking a wife there and having children, giving a new 10 commandments, and then eventually passing away there at the age of 583. this is honestly no more extraordinary than any of the other supernatural stories about the ancient world; which is to say, they are all, more than likely, no more than myths. as to whether a historical Moses may or may not have existed, it doesn't really matter in the context of believing the events told about him as true. one cannot assume that the historical existence of a person should directly imply that all stories about them are factual. George Washington definitely existed, but as to his more mythical stories like that of the cherry tree, we cannot assume that they are all factual simply because he existed. the exact same can be said of the Christian stories about Jesus. Jesus may well have been a real person, as many historians consider to be likely. however, this does not imply that all of the stories about Jesus of the Christian New Testament are true.

[@alanhilder1883]

The UFO reference seems more realistic that the rest of these stories. While writing that I had a thought... ( yes it was painful )... The aliens in " Galaxy Quest " thought that the stories, made up as entertainment, were real. These stories were made up for entertainment but the ignorant took this to be religious gospel. ( any religion )

[@kellydalstok8900]

But the story of Lincoln being a vampire hunter is true though?

[@alanhilder1883]

@@kellydalstok8900 Wasn't he a "Daywalker" ( Blade style )...

[@rcchristian2]

Sounds like Mormonism ... :) They believe that Jesus was taken up by god (UFOs) and transported to the Americas, so Jesus could give the Meso American Indians the Gospel... :)

[@EmeraldLavigne]

Oh, yeah, the Moses UFO ending. Best part of the Silent Hill games!

[@theinstituteforuniversaltr3629]

Adding content from DM Murdock is much appreciated. We subscribed to her channel many years ago before she got sick. May she rest in peace

[@theinstituteforuniversaltr3629]

@@Mar-dk3mp easy..... God or any God please appear right now in front of everybody in your omnipotence. Waiting Waiting Waiting There's your proof and it is undeniable.

[@grapeshot]

I'm in the camp of Moses more than likely he never existed. He might be based on several different people but Moses as a character never existed.

[@CanyoneroTimbo]

just like jesus

[@dogwalker666]

Just like Robin Hood or King Arthur.

[@grapeshot]

@@raysalmon6566 well the consensus is he didn't exist. And writing down a bunch of Bible text means absolutely nothing to me it just goes to show me that you're all about because the Bible said so.

[@grapeshot]

@@raysalmon6566 like I said the consensus is he did not exist and you are all about I believe it because the Bible told me so.

[@zaco-km3su]

I don't think Exodus ever happened.

[@Dan_C604]

These episodes are gold, Aron. Thank you so much for putting such level of expertise against the never ending disinformation from christian fundies!

[@Dan_C604]

@@raysalmon6566 we aren’t interested in your religious nonsense or your jesus quotes. Your magic book and your fantasy guy jesus have no value to us. Moving on.

[@dethspud]

Another banger! Bart is always a good get as they say and he always brings the goods.

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

This video is officially certified by the Recommending Ones & Zeros.

[@the-trustees]

It always make me laugh when theists want us to believe that a "perfect" god character, who just made SUCH a huge deal about the poor israelites being enslaved for 400 years, then sent all these horrors on the Egyptians for their awful behavior, THEN goes right ahead and tells his chosen people how THEY can have slaves. Are you f**king kidding me? That ONE point alone should disprove the "judeo-christian" god character.

[@gerardgauthier4876]

One thing I always marvel at... When are scholars just going to put aside the public's feelings and exclaim... Its all a myth!. The supernatural Jesus and supernatural God are mythical! Scholars are supposed to reach for the truth in very field except for the one's that hurt people's feelings?

[@donaldnumbskull9745]

Because many "scholars" work for bible colleges, and they have to sign a Declaration of Faith which says that upholding the total accuracy of the Bible is a condition of their employment.

[@johngleeman8347]

Pharaoh and his men were outnumbered 1000 to 1!

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

I'm not really a scholar, but I dabble in a deep obsession with writing fictional stories. From what I've read? The bible is fiction. Just the famous line of "In the beginning", well, the reason why someone writing a story would do that is to set up the world that they are about to take a reader into. It gives the idea that you're about to see a whole new world. Not to mention the ways that the description of each piece of creation. In a story, you don't have to question this, but they're proclaiming what I am about to state is somehow real for the origin of our reality. It goes through seven days. 6 of the seven he makes an aspect. Okay, but I have a question. They state on the 7th day he finally rests. However, he stops each and every single time after creating one aspect of the world. This to me implies he fucking rested on each day, but Sunday was just his absolute lazy day. Next, why would an all-powerful being need a nap? He is limitless. Meaning, he wouldn't be able to get tired whatsoever. The list goes on and piles up. In fiction, sure you can let some stuff through. (Despite all the fucking plotholes in the bible) However, they don't believe this crap is fiction. So a lot of it boils down to why, how, etc. It makes no sense.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

Hmm, so you interpret the word 'limitless' to mean not being able to become something (tired in this specific case)?

[@amberkat8147]

Nice "Let is Snow" outro song, it's really well done.

[@gensanitygames]

Took me a minute to place the Outro song. How appropriate. I love it.

[@dadurker4569]

Aron, thank you for all this content. I have learned so much from this series! I feel so much better equipped to debate my creationist family members post watching.

[@chezeus1672]

moses, john locke, montesquieu... 🎵 one of these things is not like the other🎵

[@constancetorseth6648]

Imagine God telling Moses to take dictation: "Okay, write this down, Moses. I'm going to describe your death..." Now imagine that same scene, but put Anthony Hopkins playing God in the same style as he did the Hannibal Lector character. I'd watch that movie.

[@jonathankennedy1963]

Moses be like, "Yo that you Odin? What are you doing here??"

[@timsn274]

Aron - The dog really adores you. It has been a long time since we chatted in Vegas at Penn's party.

[@Rob-ys6ot]

Fascinating. Thanks all involved.

[@Rob-ys6ot]

@@Mar-dk3mp Well Mar, one thing's for certain, believing in god must really inspire you to use proper grammar and syntax. And it definitely doesn't make your writing look like a 5 year old did it! So... keep it up! Twat!

[@phileas007]

That Doggo is so divine. Wouldn't hesitate to worship 🐶🙏

[@thomasridley8675]

Shouldn't we also look at how culture and religion feed off each other, affecting the evolution of both over time. Not one religion was born whole. It evolved over time into it's present form. Was Moses are real person ? Obviously not. What characters from any of the multitude of creation stories has any possibly of ever being real ? Absolutely none ! So why would Moses be any different ?

[@donmills10]

Nice to see you Aron Ra. It's been a while.

[@cratonorogen9208]

@@Mar-dk3mp again, you need your meds…

[@somersetcace1]

It's one thing to study history and try to piece together all the events in history that have lead to the present, as a way of getting a general understanding of how the present came to be. It's quite another to base one's world view on the accuracy of that historical study, to the point that even minor errors undermine the entire worldview. To put it another way: If you found out tomorrow that Julius Caesar never existed and the historical accounts of his life were contrived, would it affect your world view? Probably not. Could a Christian say the same thing about Moses or Jesus for that matter? No. They need those accounts to be accurate, or their entire worldview falls apart.

[@monorail4252]

Don't forget the three amigos sought out the singing push in order to progress their quest but shot the invisible sword man that would have led the way.

[@Blyndem]

Doggo! By the way, Aron, I couldn't make out the end of the word on your t-shirt through that lustrous mane of hair at the end of the video. Is it a band name? Looks like the first part says Black?

[@garethmaccoll4374]

And yea, Moses spoke unto them, "I am the most humble. There's nobody more humble than me. Believe me."

[@ConnorwithanO]

These guys really just need to "let it go"!

[@justinmaggard4838]

This is the type of content I find the most interesting! I love your arguments against young earth creationism using science but I crave more of this information digging into the historical evolution of the Jewish religions that eventually became Christianity

[@kickassgreek]

HA! Dr price! I first heard of him on the HP Lovecraft Literary Podcast talking about "the dunwich horror!"

[@iluvtacos1231]

Was that outro a metal version of Let it Go?

[@Craxin01]

Ah, The Bible, or a history of things that never happened told by people who never existed.

[@TBomb39]

Another great video in a great series. 👍

[@jeremymcadams7743]

Is the outro song "let it go" but just really hard rock?

[@Lucius1958]

I have read that there is at least one Egyptian account (during the 18th Dynasty, iirc), where a spasm of xenophobia led to the expulsion of foreigners. Could the later Hebrew writers have incorporated this into the 'Exodus' myth?

[@monorail4252]

Weren't the isrealites historically shown not to be slaves in Egypt?

[@metalhead0274]

Yes . But more specifically that what there may of have been in numbers was far far less. We are talking extremely small numbers that they made no difference if they were released or let go or whatever.. the numbers were so insignificantly low that if any came up missing, no one would notice. And this was in consideration for the entire region. Not to mention any verifiable mentions of such being taken as slaves was never mentioned until much later in history. If I recall correctly in what historical studies have been made in this regard that is taught in courses that the numbers was in the hundreds.. not even thousands. I haven't studied this area in some years now.. but as far as I know, nothing has changed or been discovered to change these findings of historicity of these people as slaves.

[@coldloyalty]

The let it go metal cover had me jumping in the fucking living room

[@coldloyalty]

@@Mar-dk3mp yes I'm souless because souls don't exist Division of a sphere into East and west is arbitrary and dumb, but yes I am colloquially Western. Though both a viper and I are therapsids, I am not a Crotalinae. I am a hominid. So are you. I've read the Bible multiple times, and it is wrong about nearly every topic within. Not only that. It is literally 70% plagerism from previous religions. Knowledge acquisition is the determining factor of idiocy, and it appears you are projecting your inadequatcy onto me. No matter, I hope you continue to be happy. With or without religion

[@coldloyalty]

@@Mar-dk3mp my morals come from me.. I make them from my mind whilst considering my experiences. Your morals support slavery and pedophilia

[@coldloyalty]

@@Mar-dk3mp currently all wars, 85% of convicted murders, and slavery were at the hand of the religious.. good argument

[@coldloyalty]

@@Mar-dk3mp if your God orders any of those things, he is a monster

[@alasdairwhyte6616]

all that is needed in that textbook is "according to the binle"

[@flowingafterglow629]

I am wondering in the debunking them myths series, do they ever address the observation that Moses could not have written about his own death in Deuteronomy? And I'm no linguistics expert, but I was struck by the complete change in voice in Exodus from Genesis. Read Genesis and then read the first couple books of Exodus and it's obvious they were written by different people.

[@flowingafterglow629]

@@raysalmon6566 Dude, you might want to seek help, because you are completely incoherent.

[@scienceexplains302]

*Moses’ Name* “Moses” was Moshe in the Hebrew and Exodus gives an unlikely reason for his name: an Egyptian princess gives a Hebrew-language reason “I pulled him from the water.” In fact “Moshe” implies, as Nahum Sarna wrote, “He draws from the water,” which is a description of one of Moshe’s primary acts of his life - to draw his people from between the parted waters of Yam Suf. So who is naming Moshe? Maybe the author of the story, who names him for what he will do, just as many biblical characters have names that give a clue to their life. Exodus 2:10 says the princess made him her son, “so” she called him Moshe, but the So is not in the Hebrew. That is a common conjunction added so the text will flow in English, and maybe in this case, even to make a link between the Egyptian word for Son, Moses, and the baby’s name. In Nahum Sarna’s translation, there is no conjunction. He starts a new sentence, “She named...”. “Moshe” was Hellenized to “Moses.” That seems to accidentally mimic the Egyptian word for Son. Did anyone name their son just Son? Didn’t they always have a god-name in front? It seems Moses’ name is coincidentally an Egyptian name part.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The fact that the pharaoh isn’t named tells you it’s all made up. It’s like the kings, queens, princes and princesses in fairytales that never had a name until Disney attributed one to them. Cinderella and Snow White are descriptions rather than than names

[@scienceexplains302]

@@kellydalstok8900 Descriptions were names in many cultures. Official names didn’t exist, except for kings and the like who declared and documented their names…. Which is part of why I agree that an unnamed Pharoah is indication of fiction. My point above was that “Moses” may only coincidentally match the Egyptian word for “son”, although I have heard many scholars say the biblical name “Moses” Egyptian, so I am probably missing something, but none of those scholars mentioned the Hebrew meaning or the later Hellenization adding the final S sound.

[@mikeredrugger]

Aron Ra videos, come for the knowledge stay for the killer soundtracks in the outros

[@christophervanoster]

Can we get the dogs opinion? He probably has more educated points than apologists

[@nmitsthefish]

I love Francesca she's incredible, so cool that you got her on

[@scribeofsecrets2933]

i love francesca, awsome guest , looks and brain , damn

[@Steven_Rowe]

One simple reason Moses never wrote the first 5 books, he died in Exodus so how could he complete it???

[@jordanpearce1947]

Liked for including the dog. Every time he cameos i'll like, i'm a simple man.

[@gravitywaves2796]

Sweet Aron and Bart Ehrman. This should be cool.

[@doneestoner9945]

Yes, indeed !

[@txfreethinker]

Another great video, Aron!

[@cratonorogen9208]

@@Mar-dk3mp you also need some medications

[@InvaderTak176]

Is the closing song "let it go?"

[@AronRa]

Indeed, advising Genesis Apologetics to let go of their belief in Moses.

[@WingDiamond]

Nice Doggie! 😄 What's his/her name?

[@michaelwilkes0]

anyone know the credits music? it's obviously a cover of frozen. i like it.

[@giannihodgson2174]

If i grab some blue tiles from over there, some red ones from over here, some yellow ones from this place, some green ones from that place, and start mixing them together, it becomes ... ... ... A mosaic.. lol. Much like the character Moses

[@richardpayne]

A metal version of "Let It Go". Interesting.

[@johnlamarca9439]

I know everything, because I study nothing! When someone disagrees I win my debate by screaming SHUT UP!!

[@augustobarbosab.773]

Great video, as aways!

[@borttorbbq2556]

It's been 3 minutes

[@ready1fire1aim1]

I like how included in the Nag Hammadi Library is an excerpt from Plato Republic. I think Plato was right about the necessary World of Forms and this being the contingent World of Senses.

[@heymetwaly9235]

it just accuered to me: it is allready called "mosaic" (meaning: consisting of many parts to build a picture) funny, innit?

[@monorail4252]

Based on those arguments, the lyliad and the odyssey should be taken as truth because we have found historical evidence of Troy.

[@jursamaj]

That doesn't follow. Not all arguments go both ways. For example: We don't take Spiderman as truth just because we know NYC exists. But knowing NYC never existed would prove the Spiderman stories false.

[@monorail4252]

@@jursamaj think we are on the same page. The illiad and odyssey are stories that take place in historical reality while being fictional stories.

[@kevinshort3943]

@@monorail4252 "The illiad and odyssey are stories that take place in historical reality while being fictional stories." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! I've seen the film, and everything. The Iliad and the Odyssey are poems, and very loosely based on real events - grossly exaggerated (like the Argonauts)

[@monorail4252]

@@kevinshort3943 the Bible does the same

[@monorail4252]

@@kevinshort3943 to add the illiad and the oddesy are the same story in two different languages

[@andriebester]

How were 3 million people wandering around in the desert able to hear Moses' commands and directives? I can't make myself audible to an auditorium seating only one thousand people without the aid of a PA system. If the Bible was anywhere close to the truth, I guess Moses must have had a voice like a thunderclap!

[@zaco-km3su]

I wonder if there's no older myth like the Exodus in the Near and Middle East.

[@RandolfRichardson]

I find it very interesting that Moses there is so much doubt among scholars about Moses' existence. It seems that the more people delve deeply into Christianity, the more incredulous it becomes.

[@RandolfRichardson]

@@raysalmon6566: Important to who, and why?

[@RandolfRichardson]

@@raysalmon6566: How did you get the impression that @AronRa is scared of Moses (from the Holy Bible)? I didn't get that impression at all.

[@RandolfRichardson]

@@raysalmon6566: Aron Ra's arguments seem reasonable to me, so, clearly, I don't agree with your assessment.

[@RandolfRichardson]

@@raysalmon6566: You've got one book - the Holy Bible - that presents an unrealistic story about Moses. I find that story to be a work of fiction because of how unrealistic it is.

[@cratonorogen9208]

@@RandolfRichardson ray is known nutjob… there’s no rational discussion to be had with him

[@alanhilder1883]

If I understand this correct. The book(s) written by Moses Include things much as the book of mormon include the native Americans having steel in the bronze age, but somehow they lost it back to wood and flint ( stones )... Sticks and stones may break my bones but this BS wouldn't persuade me.

[@justinlindfors8512]

Moses is more of an amalgamation of historical figures such as Thutmose for example. Moses is meant to be a mythical character such that Genesis as a whole is just a storybook. The problem with genesis apologetics and other creationist organizations is that they take Genesis too literally and too seriously to just accept the fact that the bible is meant to be studied in order to live accordingly. Nowadays some parts of the bible are ignored cuz really no one wants to take certain parts of the bible to heart but that doesn't mean you ignore those parts either.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

I would disagree, There are many genesis apologetics that are not affiliated with any creationist organization. Bisshop Barron for instance : kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4fWk4l3i7imqcU What you argue may go for those genesis apologetics affiliated with creationist organization, but that is merely a subset of all genesis apologetics worldwide.

[@pjosephlthewonder5082]

I myself am more just a curious and wanting to learn more type person. What I have taken to review, and no I have just started this, so not a set of references as of yet. Where in the history of Egypt is this exodus recorded? That is where I an starting my journey into this myth. Peace

[@allenanderson4911]

Since Bart doesn't seem ready to write a book focused upon the problems with NT 'fulfillments' of OT prophecies...perhaps someone could tell me if such a book for the layman exists?

[@Lamster66]

Not really that much point a quick Google search would explain what a self fufiling prophecy is? And those that have "Yet to be fufilled" are either wrong or akin to Biden declaring that he will be boxings next undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

[@daviydviljoen9318]

I'd recommend The One Who Is to Come by Joseph Fitzmyer. It's a Jesuit priest writing, but it's oddly the exact book you want.

[@gmicrobe]

Thanks!

[@allenanderson4911]

I have far less difficulty believing in the mere existence of a historical Moses, than I do believing that YHWH is real, and His intervention in Hebrew history is literal. Maybe debunking only that part of the orthodox mythology is a far more relevant task, and would correct the salient issue at the heart of the Palestinian conflict (the 'chosen people' psychopathology and the malevolent effects of such) I'd accept that as a sufficient achievement. Leaving Moses alone may let the Hebrews save a cherished cultural remnant. I'd give them that in exchange for a revised, contemporary view of YHWH....or as I call Him "He who cannot forgive without the taste of innocent blood sacrifice. " I believe the comparison between YHWH and Huitzilopochtli is far more compelling (theologically and in reference to moral philosophy) than comparisons between Moses and Dionysis.

[@metalhead0274]

One of my favorite parts of arguments against this Moses character, is that of how he supposedly led this group of people through this desert wasteland areas and eventually came to the region area of Mount Sinai. Which geologic speaking is a dormant to now dead volcano. But even if one was to visit this region in the time past that is referenced in the biblical timeline.. that would place the region volcanically active. And we know there was several groups of people that lived in that region around the base of Mount Sinai and worshipped the volcano or saw it as sacred and a special place where their god walked and swelled and NO ONE was allowed near it.. especially some vagrant traveling group of outsiders. These people were very war like and would have defended the place from having access.. There is no possible way this group could have made it to that area without being seen, noticed and or confronted and then either killed or driven away. Not to mention some of these groups of people who swelled there had and kept written records.. and they never mention any group of strangers coming to their area.. nothing even remotely like the biblical mythology and or fairytale suggests. Even if they had came to this region of Mount Sinai..with a group of any size.. they would have found a volcano that was active and possibly currently erupting or whatever in some way. One can go into all sorts of extensive evidences that seriously put the existence of this biblical character as actually existing and much of it may not as much exclusively prove no such person ever existed..but surely not one that did any of these things as claimed. It is similar for the biblical jesus character.. Absolutely no such person or character ever existed.. Not the one claimed as per the bible or biblical scriptural narratives. May of some person by whatever similar equated name of existed... Well yes . There was people named yeshua or whatever.. names can be common.. a name existing does not equate to the actual person existing as per a claim or claims. The jesus character narrative as claimed never even had a historical influence or effect on history in any way... Not even locally. What people often mistake and misplace as historical ... It is just the belief people had in this figure and it exiting that has an effect on history.. people's belief ..the people who believes in it are mentioned..what they believed is mentioned.. The person itsf ..these entity.. this whatever ..the jesus character.. no mention of it or about it or relation to it when it supposedly existed.. Only mention is from those who believed or mention by others about those who believed. Which one of it shows that the person or character actually existed.. just reaffirms people had belief about it.

[@alisaurus4224]

Btw it’s “dwelled”…you put “swelled” twice 😊

[@jameswright...]

@@alisaurus4224 He copies and paste the same script constantly. Sane nonsense same mistakes same misunderstanding abd misrepresentation of everything.

[@jameswright...]

@@Mar-dk3mp Still following your leader being a sheep. Im still waiting for you answers to every single question I asked??? Come on my fellow ape! Stop being a hypocrite with double standards!

[@alisaurus4224]

@@jameswright... while it’s largely incoherent, i do gather that he thinks i have no soul since he said it 15 times. That being the case, what do i need a god for?

[@jameswright...]

@@alisaurus4224 Just 15 time's 😆 Isn't that "western soulless idiot" The fool is western 🤣 And that makes his ignorence of science and nature even more ridiculous and auite scary really. You need a god so you can ask him why he never gave you a soul and ask him why he's so secretive.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

One of the first cracks in my beliefs came when I read Timelife's Timelines series.. and came across the Zoroastrianism religion... and how Judaism and Christianity were derivations of it. Wait, what... it wasn't divinely inspired... just copied?

[@69eddieD]

Copied indeed.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

The biggest problem with modern readers, is the inability to distinguish documentary from allegory.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

Or worse, even inable to consider the possibility that both can be found within a library.

[@x64Joxer]

Thank you

[@tommy32408]

So many authorities on Moses, who knew.

[@mikean7074]

It's been a long time since I heard the name Acharya. Didn't she get some Flack some years ago for putting out a book with shoddy research?

[@dodo1opps]

There needs to be a delineation between "Fundi-gelicals Bible Scholars" and Non-Evangelical Bible Scholars.

[@ldmtag]

Guys! Is it ok that I stopped understanding after John & Jane seties ended? Biology and geology is fun and easy, and all the info is the same as in every other atheist youtube channel. But after they started discussing theology, history and all those other disciplines, I watch these videos mainly as "relaxation music". Am I du mb? Du mber than an 11 grade student?

[@gwenbrown538]

Moses' name is made from the Egyptian piece of a name meaning "son of". Like Thutmose = son of Thoth, Ramses=son of Ra. So, logically, Moses would mean "no one's son". If he did exist and was adopted by Pharaoh's family, he would have been named Hapimose after the god of the smooth river or Knumose after the god of the rapid river. So even in verisimilitude, it doesn't pan out

[@gwenbrown538]

@@Mar-dk3mp You are actually correct that the Bible does not make any claims about when the earth was created. But the people who made the video that Aron is responding to have taken the information about the years that the characters in the Bible lived and made the claim that it is six literal days and have made the claim that Methuselah actually did live 969 years and basically have said that it was about 4,000 years before the birth of Christ that the world was created if the Bible timeline is accurate. As far as the ten commandments are concerned - there's really only like two or three of the ten commandments that I think are actually moral. For example, don't lie, don't steal, don't murder. And I've got news for you that there is archaeological evidence that the code of Hammurabi which includes those three commandments was definitely written prior to Exodus. So I'm not arguing that there isn't some good moral teachings in the Bible. But what I am saying is that the Bible is not the source of morality. Jesus quotes Paul. Jesus quotes Aristotle. I cannot speak for anyone else. But I know that my sense of right and wrong has basically developed based on the idea that I wouldn't want that done to me so therefore I'm not going to do it to anyone else. So, I don't know why you're talking about mathematics and multiplying or dividing by zero - but I don't know of any person other than a young earth creationist who has made the claim that the universe and the world came from nothing. Even if we basically say we know that there was a singularity that expanded and somebody comes back to say well where did the singularity come from? we don't know! And the only difference between the atheist and a theist is the fact that we stop at the idea that we don't know and that we basically think that there's the potential for us to discover where it came from at some point but filling in that question of knowledge by saying that it must have been created by a god does not give us any meaningful answers.

[@gwenbrown538]

@@Mar-dk3mp You seem to be implying that I am making the claim that the Earth is 6,000 years old. I am not. I am saying that the people that made the video (Genesis apologetics) have made that claim and we dispute that.

[@jameswright...]

@@Mar-dk3mp I bet they don't come from a man made slavery endorsing sexist racist homophobic immoral ancient book. However understanding evolution and why as week individual animals we work better in groups as pack animal especially in the plains if Africa would help explain human morals. Christianity is based on jewdism all are influenced by Greek religious beliefs and myth and zeroastrian and samarian txt. No truth to any of it! Christ even just means speaks for or chosen by god in Greek and applies to all prophets until Christianity twisted it. Christianity as we know it is based now on Roman Christianity, a medieval interpretation, the earliest Christians nostics etc didn't think Jesus was god just a prophet.

[@justsomeguy4260]

Anyone else thought that the dude in the thumbnail was Lawrence krauss?

[@mightychicken7774]

All of the yes.

[@mikebeagley]

Bart says some things that make me scratch my head about various of his assessments and conclusions. IMHO Moses having an Egyptian name makes sense if he floated down the Nile in a basket and was then plucked out of the river and homed (and thereby logically also named) by an Egyptian.

[@natew.7951]

So you agree with Dr. Ehrman? You know he said he thinks it makes sense for Moses as the step-son of a Pharaoh to have an Egyptian name?

[@mikebeagley]

@@natew.7951 Ah, just listened again and heard that later on. Thanks for pointing that out. I think I was still digesting his point at 19:00

[@rustkitty]

This stumped me too. After reviewing the segment between 19:00 and 19:23 a few times, I think Dr. Ehrman was trying to present some argument that other people believe in. But he didn't do a very good job distancing himself from the hypothesis, which made it confusing at first sight.

[@NA-vz9ko]

Apparently (according to Exodus 2:10) the name Moses resembles a Hebrew word meaning “to draw out” since he was drawn out of the water. This, to me, makes it pretty obvious that the story is a Semitic fabrication, since it’s an unsubtle play on words. Like an inside joke for Hebrews. Moses is an Egyptian name, to give credence to the story at face value, but it’s also a play on words in Hebrew.

[@joewhip9303]

I would argue it isn’t a mistranslation, but a lie.

[@inkysteve]

So the ancient Israelites were just as brave as the modern ones. One thousand men afraid of one chariot, then, and the most heavily armed modern army afraid of a few men with rifles and grenades, now. Figures.

[@Johndoe-ob1]

BART Erman was found believing what history from another human perspective is

[@a1612]

interesting to hear a christian historical scholar. Sherman begins by accepting mythology as an accurate picture of reality. as if Moses was a real historical figure (living to be 120 an implausible claim BCE) or that he could write anything (most of these people were illiterate)

[@agimasoschandir]

120 years lived is not improbable, even for 1500s to 1200s BCE. As for his writing or even reading, it is possible he was part of the scribes, or had a personal one

[@thesheepstationcook8266]

Isaiah 45:1 “This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armour, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: Here YHWH is saying Cyrus is his Christos - anointed - so Cyrus is Christ

[@kidslovesatan34]

Interesting, Price's politics are a country mile from Aron's.

[@emancoy]

Is it true that Canaan or modern israel was part of ancient Egypt?

[@simongiles9749]

At times, yes.

[@fordprefect5304]

Egypt controlled Canaan from 1450BCE to around 1150BCE with their last fortress at Jaffa falling in 1126BCE

[@robsquared2]

I mean if Moses said he was the most humble man to ever live he could have run for president.

[@firebladetenn6633]

.....wait, metal version of... XD!!!

[@BluePhoenix_]

Aron, there is a scam bot in the comments again, named "James Kitchen". Can you please ban them and delete their comment? Thanks.

[@DeconvertedMan]

good times :)

[@scienceexplains302]

*Chaldees Didn’t Exist Yet* In Genesis 11:26-31, Abram is introduced as son of Terah, coming from Ur Kasdim (Ur of the Chaldeans). “The Chaldees” is as another name for the society that grew to become a dynasty in the Neo-Babylonian Empire (NBE). The Chaldeans didn’t exist until at least the 10th C BCE, soon after the time of David, and the NBE didn’t take Ur until the 7th C BCE. It is difficult to be born in a region that didn’t exist until centuries after you supposedly lived. This is not merely a case of “writing from a future perspective,” per Rabbi Hezekiah ben Manoah and probably many since then, because Genesis 15:7 “quotes” Yahweh telling Abram that Yahweh brought Abram out of Ur Kasdim.

[@fordprefect5304]

*The Chaldeans didn’t exist until at least the 10th C BCE* The first mention of the Chaldeans is from the Assyrians In 850BCE They took Ur/Babylon in 626BCE

[@scienceexplains302]

@@fordprefect5304 Do you know what the Assyrians wrote about Chaldea in 850 BCE?

[@fordprefect5304]

@@scienceexplains302 All I know is that the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III mentions them in 850s BCE having skirmishes with the Assyrian army.

[@strange_0ne535]

Even if Moses did turn out to be a real person, as in they found his remains with the Ark of the Covenant, it wouldn't prove creationism.

[@simongiles9749]

No, and at best it would help support historicity of some parts of Judaism, and say nothing about the claims of Christianity, and support nothing supernatural in either case.

[@erneststyczen7071]

Right? They are just so desperate for anything that would vindicate their beliefs that they either lie af, or use subjects that we dont understand perfectly clear to point and say: "see they dont know anything!"

[@thesheepstationcook8266]

In the Book of Ezra - who knew all about Moses - Ezra introduced new Moses Laws to the Jews - as if - which was actually the main imprint of Zoroastrianism on the Jews - the first imprint was done by Cyrus. So Ezra was sent by Artaxerxes to turn the Jews into Zoroastrians and he did so by saying - Moses said this. Old Moses got around quite a bit and even went to Babylon - apparently. Yeah right.

[@simongiles9749]

Isn't it in Ezra (might be Nehemiah) where the priests "find" an old scroll of the "correct" way to worship YHWH. My understanding is that this post-Exilic period is thought to be where the whole Deuteronomic redaction occurs, creating a new monotheism and Jewish identity from the old myths.

[@thesheepstationcook8266]

@@simongiles9749 Ezra-Nehemiah was originally one Book and then got split into two Books. But yes Nehemiah 14 And they found written in the Law how the Lord had commanded through Moses that the sons of Israel were to live in booths during the feast of the seventh month. 15 And that they were to proclaim and circulate a proclamation in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the hills, and bring olive branches and [j]wild olive branches, myrtle branches, palm branches, and branches of other trees with thick branches, to make booths, as it is written.” So the Zoroastrians had stuff written by Moses - Yeah Right As if. Judaism because of Ezra Nehemiah is Zoroastrianism - because Moses never existed but Laws written by him were "found" and reintroduced to the Jews.

[@scienceexplains302]

All of the “references” to Jesus in the Hebrew Bible entail some mistranslation