Recently Uncovered Files by Bob Perkins Add New Matching Engine Numbers For Boss 429 Mustangs

[@danbailey6751]

You never cease to amaze me Jerry. Very cool my friend.

[@thewriter2549]

Thanks Dan.

[@melvinsmiley5295]

I would take the profits from this and Immediately DIGITIZE these records Bob. They need to live forever. Don’t want to risk to fire or flood. What an unreal find. WOW

[@Funtimes670]

💯if these records are lost they are gone forever.

[@markwise9868]

You fail to understand this would make it easier for the guys restamping! It needs to go through a single "caretaker" of the data.

[@02autogt]

​@@markwise9868exactly!

[@UFPTX]

@@markwise9868 No way, This all needs to be digitized in case ole dudes garage catches on fire.

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@melvinsmiley5295 or,,,, just make copies, and I’m sure he did that already

[@melvinsmiley5295]

This is ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL !! Where have these records been hiding all those years? This data needs to be coupled with the Marti Reports or somehow sold to the Boss owners, they will want these copies. Holy Cow!

[@thewriter2549]

Well, yes, but the copies, as you mentioned, can't be made public because they might re-stamp.

[@melvinsmiley5295]

@@thewriter2549 totally understandable….that’s why you would need to show some proof of ownership or something.

[@thewriter2549]

@@melvinsmiley5295 Perkins wants photos that reveal the numbers on the block.

[@melvinsmiley5295]

@@thewriter2549 Thanks Jerry. Bob is such a smart guy. I hope there is some apprentice learning everything he knows, I am sure he will want to retire someday but these Mustangs will still need Gate Keepers. I like that he is keeping people honest so that some unsuspecting person doesn’t get taken later. I wonder if he can help the auction houses verify the big ticket cars that come through there too? That would be a great way to protect the buyers as well and help keep the cars honest.

[@DFox-ud3gx]

My favorite videos mustangs cannot get enough

[@nottelling620]

HI JERRY , You have done it AGAIN. I don t own a BOSS , but such invaluable information. I don t mean to upset you BUT I and others are hoping to see the rest of your SHELBY videos. TY AGAIN , Please do more of these MUSTANG/SHELBY videos. BE SAFE

[@02autogt]

These records absolutely need to be kept private. If this information becomes public knowledge then folks can once again just restamp everything. Mr Perkins knows what hes doing!!!

[@thewriter2549]

Yes, grasshopper.

[@donshotrodgarage1717]

Wow that seems like incredible information. Maybe some will love it some will hate it. I see the bad moon a rising! Great video Jerry

[@davidjohnmiller4849]

There was a 1969 Boss429 sold at Dunlop Ford , Lethbridge Alberta ( only one ever came to the dealership that I knew of ) sat in the show room floor for the longest time before it sold ... guy buys it , probably late ‘69 and almost immediately blows the engine , might have been a head gasket . Car was still under warranty ... mechanics tore the engine down got freaked out when they took the heads off and found all the o rings ... so they ordered a complete “crate” engine ... took almost a year to get , so by now it’s late 1970 ... what arrives in the crate is a Boss302 ! Customer is pissed , they take the car back , guy buys a 1971 Torino 428 CJ 4speed car The Boss sits around until 1974 before someone finally buys it ... I think it ended up in Montana and got a replacement Boss429 engine .

[@scottymac62]

Wow! Incredible!

[@Pete-qt9bg]

Bob ,thank you, Sir. I don't own one and never will. But I have own some nice pontiacs in my day. And never modified anything. Original is always so pleasing.

[@pofomoco2]

Great stuff as always!

[@claesfriberg2402]

longing for - PART 10 - 1967 Shelby GT-500 Restoration, PLEASE

[@moparedtn]

*Jerry!* Wow, just when you think all the possible existant data is known on these cars, look at what shows up eh? Amazing stuff - and I second what another has already posted in the comments and suggest Bob needs to get all this digitized for all posterity pronto. Thank you as always for shedding light on this, Jerry. Stay safe and well, my friend! - Ed on the Ridge

[@markwise9868]

Digitizing it and making it available just makes it easier for the restampers to make it look correct.

[@thewriter2549]

Thank you. We got into that in the video, how owners have to email to Bob photos of the numbers stamped on their blocks - the Lima engine number, final assembly date, and VIN, plus the KK number and the VIN on the car. You can't re-stamp a number that you don't know what it is.

[@gregh7457]

something tells me there are a few owners of "numbers matching all original" cars are going to be disappointed

[@guysumpthin2974]

On my 429cj it was stamped on the back of the engine, on the cylinder area

[@Cola64]

Probably more on the road today than were actually produced

[@gregorylyon1004]

It's all about money

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@gregorylyon1004 the vid is all about the info , & boss ‘9s . But yea, buying things is usually about the money

[@guysumpthin2974]

Bob! Greatest Guy in the business!

[@cob4128]

Fascinating

[@v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31]

Important man here

[@91rss]

Friend noticed parts out there, said an engine plate for one on site called Kijiji in Canada , saw mention of a guy having a head and a few yrs ago 2 engines in the western part of Canada for sale complete

[@louislepage5111]

This is incredible 😮

[@deewiedman7384]

game changer

[@Kevin-ef7lf]

Outstanding!!!

[@rgs4x]

What a find.

[@billfioretti3013]

Lima Engine number unique to Boss '9s. Besides possible VINS, factory assembly dates can be found stamped on many engines. i.e. On front of block near where water pump bolts on Windsor V-8's, On block pan rails for many Clevelands, etc. Look carefully, you'll most likely find the die stamp date on yours...

[@thewriter2549]

Did you watch the whole video?

[@billfioretti3013]

@@thewriter2549 Yes, reiterating...B.T.W. Ford was hit and miss with stamps. Even after government mandate post '68 for VINs on engines. Some characters illegible, some missing, some wrong. I've been building Ford Engines for fifty years and restoring cars for forty. Seen just about everything!

[@thewriter2549]

@@billfioretti3013 Yes, but I wasn't aware of a government mandate for VIN's after 1968.

[@billfioretti3013]

@@thewriter2549 Fact. Became law of the land beginning Jan. 01, 1969. B.T.W. Perkins knows who I am.

[@IcelanderUSer]

So the engines in boss 429s didnt leave the factory inside the cars? They were stamped at carcraft. With the vin and the unique number.

[@davidjohnmiller4849]

Boss429’s left the factory with 428CJ engines ... KarKraft removed the 428 and sent them back to Ford

[@briancoombe6104]

Well, this is up to interpretation. They still are mass-produced cars with humans doing the work 50+ years ago. So when someone stamps the wrong number or reads it incorrectly, and or flips the stamp 6 to 9 or someother crazy thing. Lots of weird things happened back then. Remember, this was not designed to be verifiable information for colectors in the future.

[@guysumpthin2974]

So true , there is “no such thing as ALWAYS”, especially in 60s muscle cars (even in hard science, there is always an exception to every rule)

[@scottkovacs7634]

My uncle passed away a month ago and he's 64.5 260 3 speed went to his nephew. And what's going on with your mustang

[@thewriter2549]

You mean my 1967 Shelby GT-500?

[@niosanfrancisco]

The lost 5 commandments- in bob’s hands & Jerry’s eyes 👀

[@rustyjames4962]

I forgot about karkraft nice

[@hiitsstillme]

They'll be some recent sellers/buyers losing sleep over this revelation. Let the litigations begin.

[@thewriter2549]

Well, I'm willing to do another video.

[@gregorylyon1004]

I don't think that the sellers would lose any sleep. They got their money. LOL

[@trez2187]

My gramps taught me to drive in that same car. OMG!

[@thewriter2549]

Which one?

[@dragpackdale]

Any remember Lois Eminger?

[@thewriter2549]

Lois saved all those invoices, before Kevin Marti licensed the Ford database. Thank you Lois.

[@uncleronny6748]

Yeah, I got stuff from her. Even talked to her on the phone...you know, that thing with a fukn cord on it?

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@thewriter2549 they should be called the “Ford” report, or the “Lois” report

[@Turbo4Joe363]

Cool info! But these BOSS 429s are SO expensive....you can't drive them, let alone beat on them. Smarter to build a clone with a 770 HP pump gas Jon Kaase BOSS 521/Magnum 6 speed and have fun driving it! FAST!! 99% of the people who see your 'BOSS 429' Mustang would never know the difference. Plus, OEM BOSS 429s were not that quick. This numbers matching stuff is for never to be driven museum pieces....beautiful, yes But cars are meant to be running and going down the road. It's kinda sad that all of these neat old Muscle Cars (Shelbys, BOSSs, Hemis, 454 SSs are now too valuable to actually drive.

[@JosephLacy-v1o]

A guy I know has two boss429 red one and black one

[@RayThorn-c9h]

I got a boss 429 engine complete how much

[@thewriter2549]

Depends. Does it have any of the stampings outlined in this story? Send me the number stampings and I'll see. [e-mail]

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@RayThorn-c9h 20k to 80k (complete mint condition unused , number match for buyer 100k) depending on the numbers , condition, and buyer’s ability/desire

[@bobuncle8704]

What a shame that’d have been if they’ed been thrown out.

[@frankt2429]

Motor is electric, engine is ICE

[@torinoscj]

Bob is a Ford lover's treasure and guru, yet I cannot believe that he would say "VIN number", knowing that the 'N' in 'VIN' IS 'Number'. It's like saying "Vehicle Identification Number Number". Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?

[@thewriter2549]

No, "VIN number" doesn't sound silly because that's common nomenclature among people in the car collecting hobby. Car people just say it that way. I think the reason they say it that way is to denote they are referring to the stamping itself on the car, not just the number.

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@thewriter2549 so right, our language is not just denotations , it’s loaded with connotations. There is always one person in the comment section that had an angry english teacher

[@guysumpthin2974]

Bob never picks on people like that (and he was school teacher) , he’s too busy learning new things and remembering numbers. The greatest guy in the business

[@thewriter2549]

@@guysumpthin2974 Really? I thought I was! But seriously, folks.

[@guysumpthin2974]

@@thewriter2549 Jerry is the greatest guy in the car-video business! (Everyone knows that)!!! Narrator/editor/cameraman!!! Wayyyy out front in first place ! Thanks JERRY !!!

[@meek01__53]

1st!

[@PSOCrocker]

Fun fact - VIN = Vehicle Indentification Number. No need to ever say VIN Number thats what the N in VIN stands for! So saying Vehicle Indentification Number Number sounds stupid.

[@rupertphmode1753]

@melvinsmiley5296 suggests digitising and I agree. Although these paper records almost went in the bin, had they been computerised records, then some 'unknown clerk' would simply have hit the delete button with no chance of human intervention or the whole disk would have been corrupted and binned. We stand less chance in the future with computer records than we do with the old fashioned paper ones. What a series of strokes of luck!

[@Specrotors]

My inner nerd is content 😊lol