Recording live in one room (HoboRec Bull Sessions #9)

Some tips and tricks for you who are curious about live recordings.
The sound examples are from a recordings with the following bands.
ÖKEN
/ okentron
LAGOON
/ lagoonofficial
BEAT CITY TUBEWORKS
/ beatcitytubeworks
TEASER SWEET
/ teasersweetband
BLACK TEMPLE
/ blacktempleswe
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[@Charlyfromthenuclearcity]

Really nice sounding exemple. I like kind of 70's roomy vibe in your recording. You really heave a signature sound.

[@hoborec]

Thanks! Very nice of you haha

[@JasonFerguson1283]

Wow! I really enjoyed the samples! They sound organic and mighty! Thanks for the tips!

[@hoborec]

Thank you very much!

[@podespault]

Impressive results! My room is less than half the size of yours, I'm thinking that if I have to do this one day, I'll probably have to use amp sims for tracking guitars and drums together and then reamp to keep the feel of the takes. I'm sure your channel will grow; you have a different approach than most audio youtubers and I think you made a right choice to do it in english as I would have never heard of you otherwise!

[@hoborec]

+Pierre Despault I did a live recording the other day with three guitar players, and actually did just that to avoid filling the room with to much sound. I re-amped it afterwards though. Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate the nice words 👍

[@thesongwritersdropin2565]

Thank you. This is really good . Nice and straightforward and informative. The recordings sound really good considering they were done in this way. keep up the good work.

[@Butterstulle]

Dealing with the same situation, it was a big push of motivation to hear the soundsamples. Thanks a lot !!!

[@andYz00m]

Sylvia Massey describes recording Rage Against the Machine in a room with a full PA raging cause thats the only way they felt comfortable playing! I think she even brought in a bunch of people to watch them play live. I think performance and tone always trump isolation but your suggestions are good practice. Great recordings, as always!

[@frankierockson]

Ja jäklar, dina live inspelningar låter sjukt energirika och med ett bra tryck! Detta måste prövas. Tack för tipsen!

[@Martin-kn6vc]

Really cool. I've been recording live more and more in recent years and have grown to love it. A tip I learned was to listen to guitar amps and listen for where the biggest rejection is. I usually find it's on the side of the amp (like a figure 8 mic), and I aim that towards the other instruments so the bleed is less.

[@hoborec]

Great tip!

[@BadMotivator66]

these examples sound ace! thank you very much for this, i have just ordered an 8 input interface so i can start doing this

[@Bigwoody95826]

Just watching this again, I also dig a like 70s vibe. I really hope to convince my band to record this way. Besides sounding interesting it is also honest and proves the band knows how to play.

[@russellrivera1]

Sounds great. Very good songs as well.

[@GatekeeperMetal]

These sound great! We've been doing our own live pre-pro demos with like 7 or 8 mics going at a time and we've been surprised at how good you can get things to sound in the room, even with dense heavy metal sounds. Thanks for sharing the clips!

[@aussieb1416]

great way of setting up the room with the mike position, never would have thought of that. Cheers fella.

[@gdlc1983]

This channel is gold, stayed after the "Building a ribbon mic" video. Priceless knowledge

[@MyMomDrank]

Thanks, it took me forever to find a video which actually gives an idea of mic and amp placement when working with very little.

[@andymarsal]

I'm totally onboard with a live recording.. it's just more raw and natural... also hate recording to a click 😁

[@frankierockson]

Det är jag som ska tacka 😊 Detta måste jag pröva själv! Dina videos är guld!

[@matnrocknroll]

Your doing nice stuff, man! I'm liking the "darker" sound you are going for! Keep it up... *subscribing*

[@hoborec]

Hey, thank you! Much appreciated ✌️👍

[@TheHarmonicaBarge]

Brilliant and informative video , thanks!! could I please ask, Would you ever consider recording the lead vocal live too, or would this always be an overdub? many thanks

[@hoborec]

I’ve done many recordings with the lead vocals in the same room. If you look for Live Session videos on my channel that’s what you will find!

[@kieranblacker]

This channel is amazing!!! Showing you that you don't need loads of equipment to sound professional! Keep it up!

[@JonGUK]

Always sounds better when a band plays together instead the painful one instrument at a time process. A band playing together sound real.....one at a time multi-tracking has no soul. Excellent stuff !

[@davane7882]

Great video, it reinforced some of the things I do in my studio to get a good live sound. I also run a "clean" signal straight from the guitars and bass into the mix. It helps when editing and adding "plug ins" for added sonic depth.KeepRock'n

[@mihkeljurima1007]

You need to make a video of how to do this.

[@antiHeroeCostaRica]

I tracked a band live once in my small room so I recorded the guitars and the bass DI, so I didn’t have to deal with the mic bleed. Later we did overdubs on the guitars, bass and vocals. So we got the live sound feel but a little more controlled.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Those recordings all sound great, man! I really dig them all ... Nice work!

[@hoborec]

+Kieren Moore thanks!

[@agustinbrito4829]

Spanish subtitles please!! Is very good your channel! Hello from Argentina!!

[@hoborec]

Haha thanks! Unfortunately I don’t know Spanish so I can’t make those subtitles.

[@thesuperhopefulband3971]

WE record live. I agree that you try to face the amps apart. We also play at a lower volume. Finally, We use mostly dynamic mics which helps us to get virtually no bleed. Then I will use a room mic to get the overall room feel and a pair of drum overheads that are cardiod. There is some bleed with the overheads but not too much if you place them fairly close to the kit. So the only real bleed I get is for the overheads and not too much. Might not work for some genres but for a garage band that uses a lot of tremolo and reverb, the room sound is not a problem for us. We even record vocals live frequently and usually like the takes better than overdub takes. Again, we use a dynamic mic (SM58). To avoid using headphones, I use an XLR box that allows me to run one XLR cable into the interface and one into the PA. then we turn the PA down. It's load enough to hear in the room a little for the band but not so loud that you get bleed from the PA speaker into the dynamic mic. Might sound crazy but works for us. And allows us to record a hell of a lot quicker. Tracks are still EQ-able despite a little bleed here or there.

[@agesonjohanesburg2915]

Do u use gate plugins on the daw or before the board ?

[@Hrit]

One thing all the videos is missing is that how do we (band members) hear what we play? Especially when you have multiple electric guitars and electronic drums.

[@hoborec]

Good point! The easiest way is to just let them play as they do when they rehearse. No headphones and just the sound from the amps and a monitor wedge for the vocalist. If I need to use headphones now I run a monitor mix through our Aviom system.

[@BadMotivator66]

i would guess the vocal mic would be to one of the sides of the room- so the microphone isn't pointing towards either the drums or amps, and it would reject some of the noise?

[@hoborec]

That is exactly correct!

[@kevinsturges6957]

Your productions sound great!

[@duuuhhh]

The Öken sample sounds really cool, congratulations! If you haven't already, search out for "Vance Powell: Recording Rock" on KZbin and you'll find him explaining the process of recording and mixing Tyler Bryant, he tells about an opposite setup to yours regarding positioning the amps in relation to drums, might be interesting too. Cheers!

[@hoborec]

Thanks! I have some experience recording the way Vance are talking about too, but then I was in a much larger studio than my own. But I never really did it as he talks about with the room mics making the basic image of the sound. Think I have to try that even though my room is really small =)

[@duuuhhh]

HoboRec Yeah, I wonder how big his room is in that recording. I actually don't think it's that much bigger than yours. Since you have already tried it, how would you compare the bleed between both setups? Cheers!

[@heMANshred]

This is perfect. Can you do this again with less drum mics? Maybe 2?

[@hoborec]

Good idea! Maybe how to record a full band on 4 or 8 channels?

[@luisalextorres]

all the recordings sound fucking sick dude!

[@mariotelaro]

Man does this sound good!!!

[@hoborec]

Thanks!

[@Bigwoody95826]

Hi man, I have watched this video many times to kind of review this technique of recording. I like the philosophy, no bull shit live recording! I plan to try this with my band after we practice the songs 1000 times-:)

[@thomaswhudson]

When you recorded like this did you do the vocals after you did all the instruments? What Mics did you use on the guitar cabs?

[@thelighttrio6507]

Thanks a lot!

[@insanejughead]

Yup, sounded better than isolated studio recordings!

[@iJohnnyZac]

Fuck yeah, awesome mate

[@andrewwhitehouse1878]

Dude! You rock!! Loving the videos

[@stillverseDri]

thank you so much!!!

[@tequilamoose1956]

Heavy Metal, top of the class!

[@ShiningTrapezoid]

I can deal with the bleed. The snare rattle is what kills me.

[@hoborec]

Nooo I love that too 😀 that’s what it sounds like when you play. It can also be managed without if you set your snare up for it.

[@chimainwere7306]

They are actually nice!!!!

[@Salantsoundstudios]

Sounds great brotha!

[@RobertWilliams-bp9ge]

I think they sounded great! I Actually purchased the Teaser Sweet Song. Yes, I still buy music instead of stream it. 😜

[@lancetaylor2365]

Sounds great and I'm very interested in doing a project soon in this way. What mics are you using on the guitar and bass amps when recording live in one room? thanks!

[@hateethic7757]

Awsome job brother. Our band is trying to do the same thing. Been getting some pretty good tracks. Mic bleed like you said is a bitch..........LOL Thanks for the advice

[@MrHanky1989]

What kind of mics do you prefere using on the drums, in a small room, live recording scenario? As an example. Cheers!

[@felixm1716]

I really like to record bands live in one room.The biggest problems I was facing were loud guitar amps bleeding into the overhead mics on drums. Normally I really like to compress the drum bus and/or apply parallel compression on the drum bus wich brings out spill even more and can lead to a weird pumping guitarsound. With some bands you can get away with using smaller amps but some for example need the abillity to have feedback etc. Have you dealt with similar problems? How do you approach drum compression in such a scenario?

[@babydemonlab]

Awesome video, I have one question, if im gonna record a band live including the vocals, which is the best way for the band to hear the vocals, given than the mic is goind directly to the mixer-interface and to my daw, i can send a vocal aux to a monitor speaker but wont that put at risk the vocals if the other mics get some of the vocal monitor and causes phase issues with my vocal track?

[@hoborec]

Hey! I usually use just a regular monitor speaker on the floor in front of the vocalist. It gives some bleed, but I think it just makes it sound more roomy. If you check my Live Sessions videos, most of them are done like that. I plug the singers microphone in to my interface and then run a line out from the vocal track to the monitor.

[@forrestsai1489]

stereo width is massive, are you getting that at the source with stereo miking, or is that mix down tricks later on?

have you thought about using d.i. boxes between amp and speaker to record the amps without any bleed and with the options to change cabs via IRs later ?

[@omarsharif927]

i enjoyed the recording alot and the lesson how did u do the panning

[@TLAudioMixingMastering]

Great vid, man. Are you using stereo or mono overheads, and are you also using room mics?

[@andy_kres]

Vad gör du med snarebuzz då? Det tycks alltid vara ett problem för mig 😅

[@dubnessIII]

Great video. Quick question...do you record the vocals in the room or after all the instrumental? If you record vocals in the live room, does everyone where headphones for monitoring? Thanks!

[@soldierx2]

sounded pretty good or I'll say it felt good which is more important the only thing is the vocals need turned up a little bit just my opinion but thanks for the video man

[@eriklundh7510]

Way to go Ulf!

[@hoborec]

Tack Erik 😀

[@DowneastaaAPO]

Is it possible to still get good enough transient data from the drums to replace them with samples? I know the bleed can be a lot, but just curious if it is too much to get good transients to trigger a midi sample. And great songs at the end - they sounded great - especially when recording live!

[@hoborec]

Hey! Of cource, the close mics don't get much more bleed than usual, depending on placement and room acoustics. But do you really want to sample replace after catching a nice live vibe? 😎

[@DowneastaaAPO]

I like to blend in the sample and original when necessary so I don't lose that great vibe! Thanks man!

[@kamilsliw19941]

Hey Ulf! I found this video particularly interesting. I do live session recordings. I found your technique really interesting (in terms of where you place the drums and the amps. With my last session, we tried something new, and although you might not be able to see it, we actually faced the bass and guitar amp the same direction as the drums are facing. Bass amp to the left of the drummer and guitar to the right. Surprisingly, there was almost no bleed! And all the instruments are projecting sound the same direction, so if you want to get really scientific about it, the phase relationship should be the same. My biggest problem (as usual) having the vocals be faced towards the amps and the drums. The kick and snare always peak through the vocal. Either way, for recording live instrumentals, I recommend you try out this technique. Again, just line everything up side by side in a straight row (bass amp on the left, drums in the middle, and guitars on the right) and have the amp grills lined up to about the resonant head of the kick. It actually sounds really good. Okay, I'm done ranting now. thank you for putting out awesome content. I love seeing your process (and you mixes sound massive!!) check out how the session I just talked about sounds below and let me know what you think! cheers! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2ipi4iMf5l2pMU

[@hoborec]

Hey! I actually tried this a couple of times and it works great too!

[@inUR2teeth]

Very interesting ! what about placing the vocal behind the drums and the amps? Basically you move everything a bit towards the middle of the room... Adding some sort of booth around the mic and why not using a supercardoid one? Makes my mind wonders..... Thanks

[@andyharrier]

I bet your examples sound a lot better if their played over actual speakers or really good headphones right now I'm just listening to the stupid little speaker on my cell phone

[@freelancealchemist1904]

Awesome! Very helpful! What do you do to get a stereo image of your guitar? Do you double mic the cabinet then in the mix pan one mic left, then the other mic to the right?-

[@hoborec]

If there’s only one guitar I would take a DI and then revamp through a different amp.

[@toddstein413]

This is so dope! Def going to try this approach during my band’s next session. Question though: how do you go about placing the overheads in front of the drum kit? More XY, spaced, or something else?

[@hoborec]

Thanks! Usually some sort of xy to avoid unnecessary phase issues.

[@toddstein413]

HoboRec Recording Studios sick! Thanks so much for the tip!

[@Expandrock]

nice recordings;-) this is how it should be

[@hoborec]

+Expand right? It really gives something to the feel of the recording.

[@clochardcie9653]

nice video mate ! i got 9 m² , it will be fun ^^

[@robmacspurren6293]

Sounds good. One question. How many microphones did you use for the drums?

[@hoborec]

It may vary between the different songs. But at least two over heads and one on each drum close.

[@MattLunser]

"mic bleed is free reverb" i heard a guy say

[@hoborec]

That is so true!

[@kierenmoore3236]

Ahhh, what happened to the trucker look?! That's way cool!! :D

[@hoborec]

+Kieren Moore haha, just needed some change.

[@OrganicPickups]

Great sound! What interface are you using? or is it tape!?

[@hoborec]

+Organic Pickups the examples are with the interface of the Allen & Heath Gsr24 I had then, some of them are tape but mixed in cubase. Now I run a Antelope Orion 32.

[@dnnysrock]

Legit video! But how do you do with the mics, I going in to the studio with a band , what I plan on doing is getting the rhythym section first the just recording the lead vocal , backing vocals in a different. So you use for these recording , what mics? what overheads? how did you recordr the drums just the overheads ? Did the bass amp had a mic and also a line recording? peace ! :)

[@dylanwallace9420]

Theo Von!!

[@Charlyfromthenuclearcity]

Indeed the band has to be pretty good. I just finished mixing and mastering an EP for a stoner/doom band, but since the guys couln't play well the record sucks pretty much. It sounds okay, but the guitarist bends every note avec the drummer is not consistent either regarding dynamics or time. But hey, it was recorded in the drummer's basement. Tracked, mixed and master 4 songs for 200€, so I hope tey don't complain ! :)

[@Charlyfromthenuclearcity]

Anyways, cymbal bleed in the snare is a pain in the arse when the ceiling is 1,80 high....

[@hoborec]

Oooch yeah 1,80 is not much. My studio is about 2,80 now, and the one i'm moving in to has about 5 meters. Going to be fun hehe.

[@hoborec]

Haha yes, just have to work with what you get.

[@Charlyfromthenuclearcity]

5 meters ! Now that's a drum room ! :)

[@budd9314]

What recording DAW do you use?

[@hoborec]

I mostly use Qubase, but sometimes work with Pro Tools and Reaper too.

[@confusedjack6057]

no editing. it's called play it right. (: if you can't play it that way live, Every time, why should you record it that way.

[@renesupersonic]

Jack of the Realm Demigod sometimes the band isnt use to the recording environment, some band members get anxiety. Also the scrutiny of getting the part right is harder than you think when recording.

[@PlanetRockJesus]

That thing in your nose makes you look worse, not better.

[@hoborec]

Yeah, well this channel is about audio and not beauty so fuck off.

[@PlanetRockJesus]

Just sayin... Take a long look in the mirror. It does not make you look better. Or maybe you don't actually see your face. Maybe you just see the jewelry, and in your crowd, it's the jewelry that matters. It's just like that stupid fad among females lately, where they square-off the ends off their eyebrows in the middle.

[@TheBlueskyson]

he has nice clean nails though.

[@sk1mmyj1mmy]

I think he *likes* you.

[@inUR2teeth]

@PlanetRockJesus Matthew 7:5 :))

[@calpoop]

hi, what about timing issues? Is overdubbing realistic without playing to a click?