Recovery Rope vs Strap - Matt's Off Road Recovery and MadMatt's experiences

[@Once-ler1972]

"So we got a call.." oh wait wrong channel.

[@MadMatt4WD]

😂😂😂 well played

[@growlith6969]

I had a good laugh over that. Yup, you have some cross-over viewers here. I had to look back at the title and see why the funny talking guy was hosting :-)

[@ronjaime3493]

Oh damn I am on the wrong channel no wonder there werent any recovery lmao

[@MadMatt4WD]

LOL You guys!!!

[@joshua_J]

I thought the exact same thing when I clicked on this video.

[@davidnalls8628]

I’m a simple man. I see the Yellow Banana, I click.

[@MadMatt4WD]

LOL

[@ian_jones]

Yep. That’s how it’s done

[@russellraspier4859]

Old fire hose makes a great protective sleeve to protect straps/ropes against abrasion.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Interesting idea

[@BikingVikingHH]

Where the hell am I going to get an old fire hose?!

[@Cosper79]

Fire house adds significant weight to your rig.

[@pilotdog68]

@@Cosper79 don't need to carry a big section... Just 5ft or so

[@SurferJoe46]

The US Navy used a braided/woven line called SAMPSON ... which was used to minimize shock loads on both the towing and the towed loads. Tugboats used it almost exclusively, but if it parted, it came back at you like a giant whip and would cut you in half. Not just a few boatswains mates died that way ... or lost an arm or leg ... or both. They were no good for mooring as they would allow a wind to push a ship too far from a pier or buoy. Sampson had a use-by date in that sunshine killed the fibers with UV rays, as well as oil would destroy it too. Abrasion was another Sampson-killer. I'm impressed by your tow lines (I cannot call them "rope" since that's not nautically correct) and I can see they don't live long enough to suffer from UV degradation ... oil, maybe moreso.

[@TurboManiacal]

How do you know when a Matt from Winder Towing is in trouble? When you hear “Call Casey”

[@MadMatt4WD]

HA HA HA

[@57thorns]

@@MadMatt4WD kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ3Pkox5bZh8i6M&ab_channel=Matt%27sOffRoadRecovery about 6:20 in for the face of shame and the phone call.

[@maxjacobd2264]

He'll holler when he needs ya

[@Idahoprepper71]

Back in the 80s I was in the coast guard. We replaced the tow ropes ever year on the small boats. I used to keep the ropes and make my own kinetic tow rope for people stuck on the beach where I was stationed. I was the guy everyone called when someone was stuck on the beach when nobody could get them out.

[@chrisbynum4940]

I was at CG Station Freeport TX and did the same thing. The Chief of the station said we could take anything out of the dumpster we wanted. Because the tow rope on the 41 UTB was a couple of hundred feet, we would cut it up into 50-60’ sections and resplice eyes in it or just be lazy and tie a bowline. I had a 4x4 truck and would cruise Surfside beach and pull people out of the sand.

[@JamesJohnson-pb6mr]

In the late 70's I drove a Honda Civic with a really good trailer hitch installed. I also carried a 90 foot 1" diameter nylon rope. One day I came upon a Ford 4-wheel drive pickup which was stuck down at the bottom of a filled in area which crossed a creek. I finally convinced the driver to let me try to rescue him. I did so, and he thanked me profusely, but at the last he said "But please don't tell any of my buddies that you rescued me!!! He was acutely embarassed that I got him out! Good show. JRJ

[@MadMatt4WD]

gold

[@Ron-j3t]

Same I got stuck with a gravel truck had gotten the hoist up and taken some off it but it was still heavy. Guy In ford half ton came by and offered to help. I politely said we'll we can try, figuring no way, it walked it out first try.

[@760rudogg]

Love the yellow xj and Matt is such a great human being

[@MadMatt4WD]

yeah he's a good guy

[@KevinBenecke]

Everyone refers to Matt's yellow Jeep as the "Yellow Banana".

[@danmekeel7758]

You guys both play off each other very well on subject matter, no side lines.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks Dan.

[@stsears11]

Hard to argue with Matt's results, I go with the Ropes.

[@MadMatt4WD]

true

[@Hyperion5182]

@Brian Landers if they're in trouble one or two times a year maybe. As a resident who has to deal in snow? I'd want those Yankums.

[@BikingVikingHH]

A snatch strap should be in every car that goes off routing, a kinetic rope should be in anyone’s car that goes off Roading all the time.

[@nickjennings3500]

Hi Matt, “The Two Matt’s” what a combo, you guys certainly seemed to get on well. Really interesting , can’ t wait for the next video. Take care, be safe & well. Nick

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks mate

[@Lhenry-pf5zn]

My first exposure to a kinetic rope was on a Coroner's inquest.A shallow water tugboat captain lost his head when the towline, (nylon), ripped the deck cleat off the dredge barge which was stuck on a sandbar. Since then I have used nylon or elastic ropes very little. I have bought one of Matts ropes and look forward to using it here in our Canadian winter. I will just leave you with the caution to everyone, make sure that what you are attaching to is secure and can not become a projectile. In the case of the barge, the cleat was welded to the deck and not strong enough for the forces applied to it. Rigging is an artform.

[@MadMatt4WD]

That’s horrid. This is why I’ve done so many videos trying to warn people about the dangers.

[@watcherofwatchers]

I have been watching Matt's Off Road Recovery channel for a few months now, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this little conversation between these two experts. I gleaned a lot of valuable information that I haven't through the recovery videos (Those are also informative, but in different ways). Thank you.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks. We’re only trying to help.

[@tompaulson6978]

I've been using a snatch rope for over 40 years. I don't leave home with out it. Made my own from a discarded 1" nylon line from a US Navy cruiser and back woven 12" on each end forming a loop. Total length is just under 20 ft. It has never failed to get out anything I wanted to extract.

[@MadMatt4WD]

nice

[@cynthiacler9284]

Matts channel is the best! Its so nice to see you guest appearing on another channel. A man with a world of knowledge in that head of his.

[@sniperlif3]

Love the video, glad to see two folks with two different experiences just talking about their experiences and not fighting over who is better. In the end, this betters everyone.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yes true, Just trying to help

[@rigadventure]

I'm big on overlanding. My 5 year old son loves the Winder jeep. Awesome recovery tutorials.

[@MadMatt4WD]

That is awesome!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Matt has a awesome channel for offroad recovery

[@BG-vq9fd]

I started using Snatch-"UM" straps in the late 70's. I had 2" and 4". What an improvement over to the chains we had been using. If we still played I would probably have a Yankum rope and shackle.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Yankum rope and Rhino are the 2 kinetic Brand recovery Ropes I use never used the Arb snatch strap

[@gregparrott]

I heard a story (fable?): A tank got bogged during training. The army's extraction team struggled. A farmer stated HE could extract the tank and was allowed to prove it. His secret? 'Patience'. He allowed the force to be applied over a longer period of time so that the vehicle could 'ooze' instead of tear its way out. This analogy applies to recovery ropes versus the less elastic snatch straps.The kinetic energy from a moving vehicle can be applied either as a violent jolt or a more graduated surge. To tear a vehicle free from a viscous material like mud in less than 1 second requires far more force than allowing it to work itself free over 2 to 3 seconds.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Great point. I actually want to do this as a video one day. I guy i know had a 4wd stuck in quick sand and he applied winch power to the vehicle and waited. It took a number of hours but the vehicle came out because of the constant slow force.

[@tylerdooley4783]

Great Fable! True also, minus the tank. As a farmer, we use these types of ropes for tractor and truck recovery. We actually use sailing ropes we that are rated but we have to splice them ourselves. Same principle though!

[@larry41]

Believe it or not I actually saw an M60A1 in mud up to the bottom of the turret. Stuck big time. It was outside Aschaffenburg Germany at our local training area I believe in 1978 or maybe 1977. I was a medic and swapped out with my relief before they got it out.

[@gregparrott]

@@larry41 Yikes! Now THAT would be a recovery worth watching. The rope would have to be about as thick as the mooring lines for ocean liners.

[@larry41]

@@gregparrott Yeah, I wish I had the presence of mind at 22 years old to realize that's a story I should have found out the ending to!

[@conneraaronwebb5165]

Matt with off road recovery out of Jacksonville Florida is another great and professional recovery guy that goes out of way to do the job right the first time and makes sure you go home to your familys and the end of the day

[@billstoermer8668]

Started vertical wall climbing in early 60's and out first climbing rope was a static "Goldline" rope... OMG, you hated to fall on that baby! Then came the dynamic ropes and many a climbers life, ribs and back were saved by the elastic component of the dynamic rope! Good day, mate!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks for the info.

[@frenchfryfarmer436]

Haha..I can relate..damn goldline!! That gold line came from the rappeling community. Even a more modern sheathed "Blue water " static line was better than the damn goldline. We always used static for top rope climbing. Dynamic are for lead climbs, rock, ice or mountaineering.

[@cna32001]

Used straps religiously broke two last spring stuck on Monte Cristo in Northern Utah. After Watching Winder towing using them they will replacing them Yankum ropes. Been watching a while now and just love what they have been put through, they keep going.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I'm leaning that way if I have to do a kinetic recovery.

[@tekawarobb]

Two absolute legends, together! Awesome video, super helpful, thank you!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Our pleasure!

[@montemurray4513]

I have Bubba Rope and love it, I pulled out buried f350 with my Tacoma no problem

[@MadMatt4WD]

Nice

[@wirebrush]

Great show. I've been surprised by the Aussie's resistance to using kinetic ropes. I keep a 10' kinetic rope in my truck as well as a 30' snatch strap. The 10' kinetic rope doesn't take up a lot of room, but it has a lot more stretch than the snatch strap and gets used a lot more.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I’m not sure if it’s a resistance but rather lack of exposure to them. As i say this was my first time to use one.

[@wirebrush]

@@MadMatt4WD I commented on kinetic ropes on another well known Aussie 4wd channel and was immediately blown off with "snatch strap does the same thing and doesn't take up as much space" comments. Seemed pretty resistant to me. I agree that lack of exposure is to blame. I see the same thing here when I talk about Black Series trailers. I see resistance from those who haven't been exposed to the Aussie style off road caravans and are accustomed to the garbage trailers we've been sold here for decades.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Hmm. I really don’t have much time for those who are closed to learning. I’m sorry for my fellow countrymen who were disrespectful towards you.

[@wirebrush]

@@MadMatt4WD No blame on you or your country. Like I said, there's plenty of it here, probably more. Someday I'd love to go exploring around the outback of Australia. Looks like beautiful country and just my kind of population density. Keep up the great content!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Will do

[@rg3412]

The best Matts out there! Exceptional stuff.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Wow, thanks!

[@daveisnothere]

The use of the kinetic rope dates at least back to the mid-60's which is when I first saw them in use in Southern CA. Literally everyone in the club we were in had a 30' piece of 3/4" white nylon rope with the eyelets braided in each end. The strap and rope both had their place but usually we all just used the rope. The biggest difference we saw was I've seen one of the 30' ropes we had stretch out to be close to 50' long, a strap had almost no stretch to it back then. Also, one unique feature of the nylon rope was if you had a FJ-40 and attached a Jeep CJ-5 to the other end the rope magically turned into a push-rope and was able to push the Jeep uphill... at least if you ask my uncle. Seriously though, I am actually a little surprised the modern kinetic rope doesn't stretch as much as its predecessor did. I cant count how many times we use that rope to pull out people that were un-recoverable by winch, strap or chain. The most extreme was a small motor home buried in the sand to the frame that a FJ-40 couldn't winch out but the aforementioned Jeep pulled out with the rope without breaking a sweat (nor using four-wheel drive for that matter, but don't tell the FJ driver that, he felt bad enough as it was).

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks for the story. A kinetic recovery is a very very powerful method of recovery which is why it's used. The biggest concern lies in people doing them safely.

[@TJackSurvival]

We use these in the military. I was introduced to them with a Special Forces Convoy operations course to pop Hummers off the X.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Very interesting.

[@davidbutler5114]

I have been using 3” 30’ snatch strap for 20 years. I was skeptical about the ropes until I tried one out. The rope was 100$ more than a good strap but it’s worth it.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I agree

[@marlonm396]

Gentlemen, i ran into this posting by mistake and i am glad i did as i learned a lot about recovery gear. Stay fafe..

[@MadMatt4WD]

Our pleasure

[@TheCRCTeamcom]

Matt of off-road recovery is the MAN!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yeah @matts off road recovery is a tops guy.

[@tmmsplace]

Finally, because I’ve an ARB snatch strap and kept hearing ropes and inelastic straps are really for towing, not rescuing.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Towing and kinetic recovery are two different et things as you elude too. A tow strap/rope can’t be used to do kinetic recovery as it doesn’t stretch. A kinetic rope/ strap can be used for both.

[@brianhoefer7148]

6:18 the reduction in shape might be caused from melting due to friction heat as the braids quickly pull tight. I kitesurf and build and pre-stretch my kitelines. Early on, I discovered that if I winch the 1.75mm Dyneema lines during my pre-stretch to quickly, they melt and harden in spots.

[@MadMatt4WD]

That's a very interesting thought.

[@melswolf805]

For sure a recovery rope, here in the UAE desert the kinetic energy helps massively when also the towing vehicle is in soft sand.... Most ropes here are made out of marine Nylon that has the kinetic abilities connected with soft shackles its the safest way to recover a vehicle stuck in the deep soft sand...

[@MadMatt4WD]

Absolutely

[@thedocisin3204]

While my wife is at work I throw my Super Yanker and recovery straps in the washing machine (no detergent) , sun dry and they look good.

[@MadMatt4WD]

LOL and then her white work shirt becomes grey. And that's how the argument started. LOL

[@TheManofmisc]

Just a video of two boys comparing their ropes. Always quality.

[@MadMatt4WD]

😂

[@leroybrown1845]

Awesome video lots of knowledge i just ordered my matts recovery rope can't wait to replace my old10k sling leg thats on its last leg

[@Long-nd8bq]

Just used a snatch strap with loops on both ends today in Utah to pull some vehicles out of snow banks. Just slid it through the tow point underneath the bumpers of the stuck vehicles, and hooked the other end to the front tow hook on my Z71. Then I backed up slowly to take up the slack, and then give the cars a little tug until they could get back onto the roadway where the snow was not as deep. It did cinch up the strap to itself around the tow loop on the vehicles, and I almost ended up cutting it off to get it loose. Now I'm looking into some D-Ring shackles or other tow ropes/straps and came across this video. I was thinking of getting a tow strap with hooks, but I've heard those hooks can break and go flying through the windshield or radiator. I don't want to damage someone's vehicle nor do I want to damage mine when I'm just trying to be a good samaritan and help out a stranded motorist.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Well done on helping and seeking to be safe. Connecting like you did does have some negatives as you found out. Check out the Factor55 range of products in my gear store to see some solutions. Having a shorty strap with some soft shackles will give you a flexible connection method. Madmatt4wd.com.au

[@TroubleBKC]

Rolled over from Matt's Offroad and this is a video i had no idea i needed. i have used snatch straps for a while and had more than one fail s this is great knowledge!

[@MadMatt4WD]

glad to have helped

[@texoma_outdoors]

I used to use straps before I started watching Matt's channel. I ordered a rope but haven't had an occasion that I've needed it yet.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I'm leaning towards the ropes.

[@americancoalminer6828]

Very good video! 👍🏻 I personally switched from Recovery Straps to Recovery Ropes myself in the last year, I really do like the ropes. I live in Wyoming, about 6 hours away from Winder Towing, (I went and visited Matt and Ed in January 2020, very awesome guy Matt is! The entire crew is awesome at Winder!) But as I was saying, we have some pretty intense off-roading areas in Wyoming, and the kinetic ropes make quick work of most of the recoveries I've went out on. Great video again, I've watched yours and Matt's Off Road Recovery side of it, love them both! Much love and stay strong 💪🏻 From Wyoming! 🇺🇸

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks heaps

[@stevewilson9792]

American coal miner, If you live in the Great State of Wyoming, how dang fast are you driving to get to Hurricane, Ut in just 6 hours?

[@americancoalminer6828]

@@stevewilson9792 Haha I'm right next to Evanston Wyoming, the bottom South/West corner of the state.

[@TheAntinowherelane]

"I get recommended these [snap strap] a lot ... by people that don't know these [kinetic ropes] exist" -- best advertisement for a rope I've ever seen. Number of hits alone makes it a way better value.

[@MadMatt4WD]

i'm leaning towards a rope

[@12gauge1oz]

Go Winder Towing! Always learn something from you. Thanks.

[@MadMatt4WD]

:)

[@ericpettyfishing]

What a great episode! Matt's channel is so great! I spend years in that area of southern Utah and these videos always give me memories! Great stuff!

[@MadMatt4WD]

That is awesome!

[@clintchapman4319]

Growing up, my Dad had a 100' "kinetic rope". We always called them snatch ropes. As far as them wearing out, he had that one for over 20 years that I can attest to. I never broke as far as I know. It got used A LOT! Often people would look him up just to borrow it as that was the only way to get them out when they were out in the middle of a pond or something. Good times!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Sounds awesome. Ropes seem to behave very different to the straps.

[@pkeeney]

Interesting to hear they originated in the tug boat industry. I used to wheel with a guy that swore by his tug rope, it worked great. He became known for supplying and splicing tug ropes for local wheelers.

[@MadMatt4WD]

nice

[@ChopStickZero]

Never thought a video on a piece of recovery equipment could be so interesting :) .

[@MadMatt4WD]

😁

[@bigby1590]

Idrivearoundthemtgebaskiftgeygotanybeer12packipulluout

[@garvanmurphymurphy5194]

Hi Guys from Dublin Ireland I bought on line one of Matt’s ropes and am extremely happy with it, the only problem was I had to pay import duty and tax which amounted to about $150 the rope itself cost about $300 so my final bill was $450. You have been informed Still really love all the videos Garvan

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yikes but thanks.

[@leclairranch6947]

Good video I’ve been around ropes most my entire life 30 years. I have tried straps and I don’t like them. We have pulled out tractors, trucks and semis. They just work great. I have only ever broke one rope to the several straps I have broke.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I think I'm going to be happier with ropes from what I'm seeing

[@ReggaeRedeemer]

SICK!! good to see matt on another channel!!

[@MadMatt4WD]

YEAH YEAH

[@paulblair7515]

I just got a jeep WK (not the best offroading but its my first) a few months ago and have been watching 4x4 videos a lot more recently including Matt's channel. The craziest and coolest videos I see though all come from Australia(i'm from New Mexico, USA). You guys take offroading to the next level. I'm glad you guy's did this video and I was able to find your channel too. I'm subbing now and look forward to many more great videos.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Welcome. take some time to go back through and watch some of my other videos.

[@EnufIsTooMuch]

I'm an old guy and I've always thought of straps as "Tow Straps", never for tanking a speed run and hitting the strap with tons of force. You ease into the pull slowly, never shock load them. So I do have them but I use them on trees as anchor straps (Tree Saver), or as an extension to a winch line.

[@1st_on_mars227]

I'm really curious what they measure in length new vs at retirement. It might be a good indicator of how much stretch/life is left in it.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Good thought

[@vyacheslavioffe5132]

They will still the same !! If you don't do any physical damage to them , nothing else will affect them !!! My ropes are 10 years old , they still the same !!

[@TimsBitsnPieces]

I am also a boating person and used to help out with the Tugs (when younger). I am also a Volunteer Coast Guard Skipper here in Australia and we have had and use tow ropes similar to the Red ropes you show here, but these from what I recall do not stretch so much as you state with these type of specific ropes here in this video. All ropes and fabrics will stretch but it all comes down to the amount of use and force applied to that piece of fabric before the fibres deteriorate enough for it to be unusable or unsafe to use (I'm sure everyone has a rope or similar past its use by time and still using it). This is a good video and I look forward to seeing more in this series and the outcomes for the 4wd side of things.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Hey Tim. Thanks for your input. We have a bunch more vids coming.

[@Morgan2XL]

Tow and ship mooring ropes are similar, with good strength rating systems. Climbing ropes get UIAA ratings and they are similar to dynamic ropes with a bunch of standards on scuffing, repeat loading, and core contamination with sand or mud. SAR uses a lot of heavier more scuff and damage resistant rope for high angle rescue and long line heli rescue.. High rigger tree fallers use a very much chainsaw resistant rope with what is likely a metal kernmantel? Skidders use a 1/2" galv steel cable which can live in rocks and mud for months without instant damage, but also need to be checked on at end of shift. Probably worth using as non dynamic leader for a pull over rock etc. but could reduce cable to 3/8" for light duty tow trucksand off roaders, per Warn industries standards. Chain is more resistant, but heavy to carry, permanently elongates when over strained , and can wear out quickly on a long drag contacing asphalt. Check out a logging rigging and tow boat rope and chain supply company $$$$$.

[@jessegillan7013]

That seems like a very entertaining duo. I’ve never heard of the recovery ropes till now, probably because I’m an Aussie but it’ll be good to see how they work!

[@MadMatt4WD]

love the support :)

[@emptyeskiadventures463]

I bought a recovery rope here in Australia about 4 months ago... after watching Matt’s off road recovery (US)... it has been used once to pull out a bogged hilux, their snatch straps had broken trying to get out, so I lent these guys my rope.. the hilux just popped straight out, no fuss... they were like WTF!?!?! great product.

[@Malc664]

Jase on All 4 Adventure uses the rope now.

[@InspirationInfinity]

@@emptyeskiadventures463 America :D

[@deadnorth8333]

Been using the straps and ropes for over 40 years work awesome

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yes they do work well

[@kevinthompson5827]

Matt after watching this video I subscribed to your channel. I'm curious to see what you guys are doing in your country. Being a fan of Matt's recovery and seeing him do the things that he does I'm excited to see what you are doing.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks Kevin. I hope we live up to your expectations. When you have time go back through some of the videos.

[@bennyblanko3]

Oh, and mine was about 25 years old, and had pulled many times, and was quite abraided, and a bit sun brittle too. Well worth the money though. Amazing what it could pull.

[@DriveCarToBar]

Had a strap fail once pulling my old pickup on the street. It broke in the mid section of a 20ft strap and while the strap did hit my truck, it hit the front (a 1992 Chevy S-10) but caused no damage. I'm not sure if it only hit the steel bumper or the plastic grill too, but I couldn't see any evidence of it. Now, failing in the middle vs. at the end effectively cuts the weight in half and greatly reduces the energy. I don't think I'd want to be standing next to it when it went, but the dangers of failure seem highly dependent on the situation. I'd be more concerned about a tow hook or recovery point coming loose and flinging a heavy chunk of steel, than a strap or a rope breaking cleanly.

[@andychips6923]

Replying to a 3 year old comment.. but i totally agree. I never used either of these for this exact reason. Recovery point fails and you have a missile.. I rather struggle a little more with a non elastic tow strap or winch line.

[@randlecycling2462]

This is awesome Matt, as a fellow Australian who is a big fan of Morr.

[@strietermarinesurvey1415]

Farmers towing tractor trailers 60 - 80 thousand pounds through the mud full of sugar beets here in Michigan use big rope not straps!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Sounds fair

[@nocoolname32]

That makes sense, a heavy slow 4 wheel drive tractor with 6 or 8 tires for traction towing. The kinetic ropes shine where a smaller vehicle with limited traction is the recovery vehicle so inertia is needed to perform the recovery.

[@DriveCarToBar]

My grandfather told me that farmers in California where he grew up, used to buy old mooring ropes from ships for that exact thing.

[@johnhalter7287]

Have used straps with tractors a lot, no problems. I think a rope is easier to wrap up when done and would be my only plus for one over the other. Pulling over 80, 000 with a rated strap is no problem with a tractor. To be honest they both work great and use what you got, the cost would keep me from the rope mostly

[@fredmartine674]

I enjoyed the video comparing the rope and the strap. I've used both kinds but I mostly use the rope. The video clip of the Jeep being helped out reminded me of one time when I did that with my 86 Chevy 4x4 longbed truck helping out a newer Chevy HD truck that couldn't climb out of the steep sides of the river bed, I used a rope and pulled him out while there was a parade going on nearby so I had some spectators watching. Good times..

[@MadMatt4WD]

Nice

[@T25de]

Love watching the aussies wheel Got some great trails and great vehicles! Been watching Matt’s recovery channel for a while

[@MadMatt4WD]

Nice

[@amacca995]

As an Aussie 4x4 enthusiast im very happy to see this video. Subbed to Matts channel for a long time now and subbing here. I have never used the ropes myself, always straps and used them much more than only 10 times! Infact my current arb one would be atleast 20 pulls and still works. Will have to look into these ropes though. Over 100 pulls and still working? That is excellent value for money.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks. You can get the rope in the link in the description and use the code madmatt to get 10% off

[@drobs7279]

I bought kinetic rope after watching all of Matt's Off Road Recovery videos. Someday I'll get a chance to use it.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Go wheeling with a mate and DO IT :)

[@Agent.K.]

I have both. Strap is used for towing, holding a vehicle, or when someone asks me to borrow. The strap took a lot of beating, strangers ran over it and it got stuck in the axle couple of times, and some idiots tied knots on it because they didn’t have/ask for shackles, but held well. It cost me ~30 USD so I don’t care much. The rope I never let anyone use it but me. I use it for sand recoveries. It’s good for snatching but starts wearing out if you use it to hold vehicles for a long time. NEVER tie knots or you’ll damage the rope,

[@MadMatt4WD]

cool.

[@BikingVikingHH]

Oi M8, Matt’s recovery channel brought me here, and you seem like a top bloke yourself! New subscriber here. Skål!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Woot woot. Thanks mate

[@steviehogan3046]

Matt you deserve some good coverage and your opinion and views on off roading is always important, the thing is we watch for fun but you're doing it for real and as a way of work and a way of running your business, that's the difference for me plenty of guys have a go at it but you're doing it for real

[@MadMatt4WD]

Stevie Thanks you so much for the very kind words. That means a lot to me because as you can imagine there's lot's of hard work in all this.

[@steviehogan3046]

@@MadMatt4WD well I've not seen any better off roader than matt from winder towing, he 'is' an expert and should always be asked for his thoughts and views regarding how he goes about recovering off road, I don't think there's anyone better out there, how you get there, how you approach the recovery regarding the type of terrain you are on and how to be a good man !! Why aren't Netflix rounding you guys up and giving the world an insight to the adventures and knowledge of being new world explorers 😁🤙🤙

[@MadMatt4WD]

Well now I’m all for that

[@rd4660]

Welcome to Utah! It will take you a month to get that red Utah dust out of my kit. Rope, always use a kinetic energy rope. I prefer Bubba Rope.

[@MichelPoirier-Mipo]

The ropes go back a long time, we had ropes in my off road time more than 40 years ago. Called them "slingshot" ropes. And only 20' available in stores. But due to our offroad situation here in Quebec and lots of snow in winter. We had to get custom 50' ropes made locally 1/14" diameter for 30,000 pounds and 1/3 strech. And often in deep snow had to use up to 100' of ropes, with front vehicule going as fast as it could for 100' before stretching the rope. Lots of fun and never any accidents with the ropes.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I'm leaning towards ropes

[@codyfulghum2262]

I've seen tanks being pulled with recovery ropes, at redstone arsenal. I'd have to give the win to the rope.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Agree

[@Ericbjohnston5150]

@@MadMatt4WD I'd give the win to a slow pull mega winch.

[@OverlandPNW]

I just used that same red Factor 55 recovery rope last weekend. Worked great ! Snatch straps are good too !

[@MadMatt4WD]

Good stuff!

[@wendellyazzie3303]

I used a snatch strap once to get my yukon xl out of some deep mud with my duramax and it snapped and took out my rear window.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yeah that doesn't surprise me. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of them

[@wendellyazzie3303]

Yeah now I carry a bubba rope in my vehicles. Thanks for the great video.

[@EvansTheTraveller]

Two Matts from different part of the world and they both make fantastic videos.

[@MadMatt4WD]

🥰

[@alfonsocasillas7290]

Great video I have many friends that bought the rope I hope you’re getting a commission Matt

[@MadMatt4WD]

this Matt doesn't unless you buy one from the link in the description. :)

[@dualsportrider3221]

Ive uses strapps my whole life. Never had a rope. U guys make me want one. I just bought traction boards. I been seeing u guys down under use them. Love the boards i use them all the time

[@MadMatt4WD]

Nice there's a link in the description to get them.

[@scottkraniak4941]

Just wondering why you dont have a winch or use one.. just wondering..

[@MadMatt4WD]

I have winches on both my 4wds but they're not with me on my US trip as I'm Australian based. A winch is my go to recovery device.

[@danlux4954]

Winches are slower than kinetic ropes. But they have their place.

[@1LRLRG]

Check out someone from the Navy, we use that style to tie up the ships and tow and such, a really good video to watch about when these break or bigger ones is called synthetic rope snapback. Talk is by a guy who lost his legs to one breaking. One clue they used to tell us in the navy was if the rope was tight and you saw what looked like milk coming from it run, rope was about to break.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I can only imagine the force when a ships rope goes. Apparently this is exactly the same type of rope.

[@docrichardson7034]

This is my experience too, along with wrecking in my youth.

[@1LRLRG]

knees, back and various other joints and liver function as well

[@imchris5000]

the strap itself breaking is not what does the damage its when you rip the anchor point off and send it flying

[@MadMatt4WD]

this is true.

[@jessetroyer5877]

Yes in my op.iv had more anchor points break on me then the straps.

[@l337pwnage]

Ya, everybody focuses on the big ropes/straps, but they never reinforce their tow points.

[@danimal865]

I made my own kinetic energy rope from an 11/2 inch Sampson line about 50 foot long years and years ago, it surprised so many people when my 3200 pound wrangler would snatch an 8000 pound full size truck out of a hole. It would stretch a good 10 feet, my jeep would stop and then the truck would come out. I got the rope from the shipyard i work at. And you're exactly right Matt, the ropes originally were made for nautical use. Tugs boats and such. The reason is if a tug is pulling a barge. You dont want to use a rope with no stretch because as the 2 boats move differently in the water, the rope will be snatching on the attachment points and ripping or bending steel.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Cool as

[@796andy2]

On my list ...

[@MadMatt4WD]

it should be :)

[@DarkCavalry1228]

THANK YOU BOTH!! The rope skid scenario was such great knowledge transfer!

[@nileexpediting6297]

“In Australia” Hold my beer , Matt

[@MadMatt4WD]

LOL

[@joepellish5380]

Ive done some pretty stupid recoveries before and ive done great ones. In an emergency situation ive yanked on chain, and wow is that violent. ive jerked on a full size 1 ton truck stuck in peanut butter mud with my 3/4 ton truck while using a chain and a normal recovery strap like in this video. Ive Broken a 30,000LB rated snatch strap while yanking, but it was wet and had way more than 10 "hits" on it. Ive never broken one while dry before. All i have to say is never yank on a chain like i have before. I only did it in an emergency situation and there is no "give" there whatsoever. in conclusion a wet strap of any kind i think is at a disadvantage and at risk of breaking vs a new dry one. Good Video! Lastly Hello from Pennsylvania USA

[@MadMatt4WD]

I agree with you. Also snatching on chain won't achieve much in a recovery other than loosening a few teeth.

[@TheSacobeans]

When I first saw Matt's off road recovery I was very confused why a professional would be shock loading his strap haha

[@MadMatt4WD]

Yes until we understand the tool.

[@Wildcatchigga11]

Now I'm following both awesome channels

[@MadMatt4WD]

Well thanks heaps

[@InspirationInfinity]

Gonna do the same.

[@gregparrott]

The keywords 'Matt's Off Road Recovery' brought me here. I look forward to the comparative testing of snatch straps versus recovery ropes. The key differentiator is the recovery rope's greater stretch. The likely mechanism for this stretch is not as much the material as it is the geometrical construction. The strands are configured into a helical/serpentine weave. As load is applied, the helix is pulled into a straighter line, as evidenced by the rope becoming thinner. While Yankum looks great, I bought another brand because after 6 months since I notified them, they have STILL failed to correct or even acknowledge a libelous error on their web page. You can easily verify it yourself: Compare the Maximum Breaking Strength (MBS) of Yankum's various rope diameters to those of 'Bubba' ropes (the only manufacturer with military certified strengths). Both manufacturers list the same MBS for their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes. In between these two diameters, Yankum offers a 1", while Bubba offers a 1.25". Here's the problem: Yankum lists their 1" as having the same MBS as Bubba's 1.25". For this to be true, Yankum's 1" rope MUST be made of a different material than all their other ropes. By comparing cross sectional areas, Yankum's 1" rope would have to use a material that is 56% stronger than all their other rope. Furthermore, that material would have to be 56% stronger to all ropes made by Bubba and every other manufacturer of recovery ropes. Due to lack of response, I bought a 1" rope from another manufacturer. While their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes match Yankum's and Bubba's MBS, their 1" rope has a rated MBS of 33,500 lbs. This is what one would expect based on cross sectional areas. Perhaps by posting this here, it will finally prompt them to be responsible about a real liability in their advertising.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I'll stay out of that discussion but I'll tag them. @yankum rope

[@gregparrott]

@@MadMatt4WD Thanks. My email was to 'Alan'. Now that I've checked my emails, it was on 12/4/19. That's a bit over 4 months ago, not 6.

[@JimYeats]

I’m picturing this rant as being spoken by Vizzini from A Princess Bride. It appears Yankum ropes has encountered one of the two classic blunders; never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! But seriously, maybe Yankum just tests them differently, or there are other variables at play. I’m not sure you can label it a ‘libelous error’ quite yet. I could care less, if they are good enough for Matt they are good enough for me.

[@gregparrott]

@@JimYeats It's fine that you call it a rant. But the math is real simple.....should you elect to go the next size up from what Matt uses, you'll be disappointed if you expect it to be anywhere near as strong as what's advertised.

[@raphaelgoeiman]

Should have started with "so we got a call"

[@MadMatt4WD]

Ha ha ha

[@johnhalter8317]

Like the strap for storage space, it has done well for me. I have never used the rope so I am watching this with great interest.

[@MadMatt4WD]

I prefer the rope now I’ve used them.

[@brentcraddock7169]

GO JEEP. Your finally outta the closet. Enjoy.

[@MadMatt4WD]

Got caught with ma pants down

[@dunningkruger3774]

Never used the rope, only snatch straps. Over 30 years worth in Baja and 14 of those years with an H1. Never had a reason to go with the rope except that the length seems better. Here's a good one for ya- coming home on the long dirt road one night and came upon a fully loaded cement mixer buried to its axles. He had a water source onboard and made things worse by thinking water might "help". My wife and I were in the Suburban and had the strap. There was an all night pour going on and the driver said another truck should be coming back soon. When the truck got there I pulled out the strap and had the second rig back up and did a double back from the pin hitches on the front and back of the two trucks. The first driver started out by trying to put tension on the line....not understanding the concept of the snatch. I had him back up bumper to bumper and told him to let if fly. Mind you....this was a fully loaded mixer being pulled by an empty mixer....and I figured the strap would surely fail. It took three massive yanks and that thing was OUT. The local ranchers were amazed as were the drivers....and ME. And that was an OLD strap. I once yanked a dump truck out with the H1 and the front wheels came off the ground. Love them straps. Great video guys-

[@MadMatt4WD]

Wow that wild. The rope have more stretch which is great.

[@roncameron7461]

I have had a strap fail during a stuck vehicle pull .. I bought my Yankum rope from Matt, it has only been used once. But I'm quite confident in it.

[@MadMatt4WD]

They are good.

[@scottcampbell2836]

So good to see you there mad Matt hope you had a nice trip to the states take care

[@MadMatt4WD]

I did!

[@GeorgeBonez]

I really like Mad Matt. He seems like a really good humble dude! And as always a big fan of Matt. If I need to pull something I always research Matt’s channel and sometimes I just watch for hours because it’s so entertaining. Keep up the great work Matt !!!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks mate

[@GeorgeBonez]

MadMatt 4WD subbing ya bro and I look forward to checking out your channel. Thanks for teaching us so much my friend and always stay safe!

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

I have a Smittybilt recovery rope and I love it. I can pull out full size trucks with my Can Am X3 XRC rr due to the increased pulling power.

[@MadMatt4WD]

interesting

[@williampankratz600]

.I have done recoveries for friends years ago, I used plenty of straps and ropes but none were brand name , and they worked great until they broke and we resorted to chains which are also dangerous. Things have really advanced from 30 years ago when a group of us would go do things that were unlikely and get away with it. . Thinking about another off road Ford and might get involved again with some group that likes to go do something stupid and try to get away with it off road. You folks have some great new ideas that were not available years ago,,,,, Thanks

[@MadMatt4WD]

Glad we could help

[@gettenBentWithWilliam]

Just ordered mine after getting 10 pulls this morning here in corpus Christi TX with a snatch strap

[@peterbrownrigg7021]

I have used Recovery ropes a lot with not one fail,(Bubba Rope, not Yankum), and I used a snatch strap on one recovery. I did have to use the snatch strap 8 or 9 pulls on that one and near the end it had little or no SNAP. Now I stick with the rope, but that's just me. Keep the videos coming!

[@MadMatt4WD]

Thanks for the testimony. So many don’t get it.

[@bobbg9041]

I worked in a machine shop taking in deliveries or raw materials, we used a strap to pick up bundles of steel some of the bunels were close to the straps top rated weight limits your talking solid 5" dia aircraft aluminum 6061 12 bars 20 foot long with the strap you could guide the bars you held balanced in the center and bring them in a 12' wide door. No metalt parts but the fork truck and the pin we put in the fork to keep the strap from sliding off the fork. If the bundle was too big we had a larger fork truck.