Red Alert 2: YR - Rhino vs Tesla [Battle] #1

In this video we have a fight between the Rhino Tank which is an excellent basic tank against the Tesla Tank which is a tank dealing excellent damage to every type. However, the Tesla Tank is more expensive and is available only to Russian.
For the most part we are testing:
1v1
10 vs 10
50 vs 50
100 vs 100
Cost Value vs Cost Value
How does a Tesla Tank acts in a head to head battle with a Rhino Tank? Is it worth to spend the extra resources for the Tesla Tank? Is it any stronger during promotions? Let's find out!
A huge thanks to TAK02 who created this awesome map!
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[@CnCDune]

The map will be released for public download soon. Here's how it works: you have only one human House, but many other Houses, "Countries" if you will. For each campaign map, a House must be assigned to the human player, and he should be given control of that House. But any other House can be given player-control too if needed for scripting/whatever, and in such cases the player-controllable Houses must be allied with each other to avoid potential problems. It happens several times in the RA2 campaigns too, I think. You just don't notice because both Houses/"Countries" are given the same colour, and you get a "unit lost/promoted" notice for all Houses with PlayerControl=yes. That's what I did here with one difference: the human and player-controllable House "Americans" is not allied to the also player-controllable "Russians" House, so they fight each other without use of waypoints to simulate real player-vs-player/AI battles. Come to think of it, the reason the non-human House is more... "aggressive" must be because it's technically still an AI House, so things like GuardArea missions are assigned automatically, unlike with human Houses. But there's a downside: non-human Houses can't be built for by the player. All factories/SW buildings must belong to the human House if you want to actually use them, and only spies belonging to the human House will have any value. If the Factories/SWs/spies belong to a non-human House, then the player can't do anything with them, even when player-controllable (except for self-sabotage). So for this map I've had to make a "shopping list" of sorts to the left.

[@markeister1560]

Thanks for including comparison in terms of equal resources! 😁

[@TheMichaelBro]

5:51 Tesla Tanks after defeat: “REALESE THE KRAKEN!!!”

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

hahahahahhaha :D

[@AnyaCPJ]

Rhino Tank $900: ‘Daniel’ Tesla Tank $1200: ‘Cooler Daniel’

[@skinwalker69420]

your profile picture makes me go *A*

[@okeneko5768]

seeing that tesla trooper soloing those rhino tanks had me :O

[@klepikovmd]

Tesla troopers strong against vehicle attacks and deals bonus damage to them.

[@Cupshadow]

But you can see he almost died.

[@maximus28549]

Yup. The ending sure explains a lot to me. Quality over quantity

[@MoondropSimulacra]

*Tesla trooper appeared* Me: What is he doing here? Elite tesla trooper (after beating some rhino tanks): Just a warm up... heheheh Me: -_-

[@ArtoriusHeijie]

I love this TAK02 guy. He helped me a lot in modding RA2, YR, and even MO.

[@CnCDune]

You're welcome! Though I'm sure you would have figured it out on your own with a little more time :)

[@NeoKronos44]

Welcome back, Commander.

[@ulughanergin305]

Maaan you keep bringing up original concepts and that one, I loved so much! It was fun to see how veterans becoming elite can change the direction of the battle. More please!

[@0xVENx0]

wow very detailed, thanks for your effort!

[@nectarwithj]

Did i tell u guys that he is amazing? Everyone knows that you are a treasure in here... EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS COMRADE!!

[@TheZoobZoobs]

Elite Tesla essentially becomes a mini Prism Tank which in large numbers is probably only matched by a horde of Apocalypse tanks.

[@Nguyen2-t9p]

i think Elite Prism tank can take a chance, maybe..

[@dhdyfufu2904]

Prism tanks is the best stop crying 1 year old kid

[@rendyarief6498]

As always perfect work and funny ending 😂

[@zipobob1]

Looking forward to seeing more of this series!

[@SynSpiderz]

Must say that some of they results, particularly the last one, were rather....shocking. I'll see myself out

[@a_stone]

You couldn't resist that pun could you?

[@SynSpiderz]

@@a_stone With no-one else doing it, someone had to take charge of the situation

[@Infarlock]

"Battle #1" Ohhhh so it's a new series

[@CrazyTankersVN]

Looking those tanks fighting against each other is so hilarious

[@josephwhitehall3821]

Great vid but bro, please play and record your achievements on that map where the CPU's spamming units by thousands and you and your allies are trying to survive! Its so interesting. If you have time and you want... do it please! Its never boring. I personally can watch it for hours :)

[@Defiantclient]

would be neat if you include a summary/conclusion of the findings! Nice video.

[@tg.Sacred]

Yeah, will try to do next time!

[@Nguyen2-t9p]

the conclusion is Soviet's tanks are supreme.

[@KILAH4716]

Woah....I never seen this before. Being able to control both factions under one computer. That's so cool..!

[@CnCDune]

It happens several times in the RA2 campaigns too, I think. You just don't notice because both Houses/"Countries" are given the same colour. The map will be released for public download soon. Here's how it works: you have only one human House, but many other Houses, "Countries" if you will. For each campaign map, a House must be assigned to the human player, and he should be given control of that House. But any other House can be given player-control too if needed for scripting/whatever, and in such cases the player-controllable Houses must be allied with each other to avoid potential problems. That's what I did here with one difference: the human and player-controllable House "Americans" is not allied to the also player-controllable "Russians" House, so they fight each other without use of waypoints to simulate real player-vs-player/AI battles. Come to think of it, the reason the non-human House is more... "aggressive" must be because it's technically still an AI House, so things like GuardArea/AreaGuard missions are assigned automatically, unlike with human Houses. But there's a downside: non-human Houses can't be built for by the player. All factories/SW buildings must belong to the human House if you want to actually use them, and only spies belonging to the human House will have any value. If the Factories/SWs/spies belong to a non-human House, then the player can't do anything with them, even when player-controllable. So for this map I've had to make a "shopping list" of sorts.

[@MoondropSimulacra]

@@CnCDune wait a minute... some said you'r the TAK02. Is that true?

[@CnCDune]

@@MoondropSimulacra Affirmative. I should change my YT name sometime...

[@MoondropSimulacra]

@@CnCDune make sense. But, changing acc name? Uhh, it's up to you. I just wondering tho' .... Aight. Imma head out to my base now...

[@anonim-8572]

@@CnCDune It's also present in TS, in some campaign missions the player has control of both GDI and Mutants with different faction colours.

[@jabbajane1124]

You know, for tanks made out of basically pure armor, they aren't very resistant to electricity. Edit: Yes I realise it now, I was half drunk when I was writing this.

[@aktan4ik]

metal conducts electricity

[@jabbajane1124]

Alright that's fair, though it doesn't explain how does rhino tanks end up exploding

[@MoondropSimulacra]

Hmm... electricity + fuel storage inside/outside tank?

[@johncarter4956]

Ammo storage explosion, fuel tank ignition, electrical curcuit shock from the tank's equipment.

[@yuniku1489]

@@MoondropSimulacra fuel and ammunition is inside consider the crews too.

[@nomadprime5669]

Im going to be honest, this actually kinda shocked me (Pun fully intended). From what I understand, Tesla Tanks are good, but are rarely used because Desolators are just straight up broken and there is no reason not to pick them in PvP. Because of that, I rarely use the Tesla Tanks. I feel as though MO did the faction thing better because there are multiple reasons to pick factions in serious play.

[@mohammedriadh4990]

The tesla tank in MO is good because it's buffed unlike here ( more dmg, better range, can stun)

[@bacardi9360]

How do you control two teams at the same time ?

[@tg.Sacred]

TAK02 created the map and he made it possible! How awesome that is?

[@MoondropSimulacra]

@@tg.Sacred hmm.... send a greeting and salute to user TAK02 from me. I was more than thank him and you to bring up this.

[@tg.Sacred]

@@MoondropSimulacra I will!

[@CnCDune]

The map will be released for public download soon. Here's how it works: you have only one human House, but many other Houses, "Countries" if you will. For each campaign map, a House must be assigned to the human player, and he should be given control of that House. But any other House can be given player-control too if needed for scripting/whatever, and in such cases the player-controllable Houses must be allied with each other to avoid potential problems. That's what I did here with one difference: the human and player-controllable House "Americans" is not allied to the also player-controllable "Russians" House, so they fight each other without use of waypoints to simulate real player-vs-player/AI battles. Come to think of it, the reason the non-human House is more... "aggressive" must be because it's technically still an AI House, so things like GuardArea/AreaGuard missions are assigned automatically, unlike with human Houses. But there's a downside: non-human Houses can't be built for by the player. All factories/SW buildings must belong to the human House if you want to actually use them, and only spies belonging to the human House will have any value. If the Factories/SWs/spies belong to a non-human House, then the player can't do anything with them, even when player-controllable. So for this map I've had to make a "shopping list" of sorts.

[@reapertheone2499]

Tesla tank: hey you also have lightning Tesla coil: yes but i won't move cuz im a tower Tesla tank: i have wheels Tesla trooper: you both lack something The two: what is it Tesla trooper: legs and arms also self brains we made you both

[@belfastbelchan4039]

You should do Generals, Zero Hour, RA3 & Uprising as well and test their unit and structures. It'll be a fun ride😁

[@arvetzu]

Loved this!

[@StarTube2]

Nice video dude! How can you control two teams in the same time? 😳😃

[@tg.Sacred]

Thanks! TAK02 who created the map explained it below: Here's how it works: you have only one human House, but many other Houses, "Countries" if you will. For each campaign map, a House must be assigned to the human player, and he should be given control of that House. But any other House can be given player-control too if needed for scripting/whatever, and in such cases the player-controllable Houses must be allied with each other to avoid potential problems. That's what I did here with one difference: the human and player-controllable House "Americans" is not allied to the also player-controllable "Russians" House, so they fight each other without use of waypoints to simulate real player-vs-player/AI battles. Come to think of it, the reason the non-human House is more... "aggressive" must be because it's technically still an AI House, so things like GuardArea/AreaGuard missions are assigned automatically, unlike with human Houses. But there's a downside: non-human Houses can't be built for by the player. All factories/SW buildings must belong to the human House if you want to actually use them, and only spies belonging to the human House will have any value. If the Factories/SWs/spies belong to a non-human House, then the player can't do anything with them, even when player-controllable. So for this map I've had to make a "shopping list" of sorts

[@Jomster777]

Well made video tg!

[@ezekielazupardo843]

Normies: Rhino Tank is better than Tesla Tanks in most situation TG: Lets Do Rhino Vs Tesla Tank Testing Internet: 800 people found this interesting Keep up the Good Content :)

[@mrorris88]

Ok, but what about cost value 100 vs 75 Elite?

[@Voicelet]

Now I kinda want to know how many infantries of each type do you need to overwhelm an elite tanya, or if they even can at all.

[@dm1i]

@XellosBlackforest In this case you forgot about Virus. Though she has a little less ranged weapon and Tanya has time to close up the distance and fight back. But 2 Viruses are always enough.

[@aphisittbuahom318]

1:56 Capacitor at full.... Boooom!

[@redstonehero7944]

This is why Tesla tanks have very specific uses, although I still advocate for a mixed rhino Tesla army.

[@ВячеславШакиров-у3г]

Отлично. Спасибо за видео. Было интересно и я получил удовольствие от концовки.

[@mkozinski]

this put a smile on my face :)

[@m-w-y7325]

can you also test if Tesla Tower is more powerful then Tesla Tank/ Trooper?

[@thenecrons100]

Man, how did you way point the tanks to hit each other?! Well done, btw!

[@tg.Sacred]

Both armies belong to different "player" but are still under my control so they hit each other!

[@SITUVNgcd]

@@tg.Sacred Ares???

[@joker80008]

@@tg.Sacred Wait, how? I am confused. If that is not a modded map, a tutorial video on that would be welcomed.

[@CnCDune]

@@joker80008 It's a modded map I made. It'll be released to the public soon. Here's how it works: you have only one human House, but many other Houses, "Countries" if you will. For each campaign map, a House must be assigned to the human player, and he should be given control of that House. But any other House can be given player-control too if needed for scripting/whatever, and in such cases the player-controllable Houses must be allied with each other to avoid potential problems. That's what I did here with one difference: the human and player-controllable House "Americans" is not allied to the also player-controllable "Russians" House, so they fight each other without use of waypoints to simulate real player-vs-player/AI battles. Come to think of it, the reason the non-human House is more... "aggressive" must be because it's technically still an AI House, so things like GuardArea/AreaGuard missions are assigned automatically, unlike with human Houses. But there's a downside: non-human Houses can't be built for by the player. All factories/SW buildings must belong to the human House if you want to actually use them, and only spies belonging to the human House will have any value. If the Factories/SWs/spies belong to a non-human House, then the player can't do anything with them, even when player-controllable. So for this map I've had to make a "shopping list" of sorts.

[@joker80008]

@@CnCDune Wow, thanks for this much detailed answer. Also, my respect for all the trouble put into this map :) thanks!

[@jacobmichael1911]

I never thought Telsa Tanks would be so weak in comparison to Rhinos. They're in the same faction too, which makes this more ironic to me XD

[@Robolewa]

I see "any other vehicle" and I wonder if that means... Mammoth Tanks v tesla tanks in the next video?

[@fredjorg4589]

More, please! :)

[@weeaun225]

Well done

[@AliensComeback]

That's why I main Nod and Soviet in classic C&C games (including C&C 3 and RA3).

[@tickoman273]

the good thing about tesla tanks is their elite weapon, and you shouldn't even build them unless you can assume some will survive to get it IMO edit: same as tesla troopers

[@AbdullahQumper]

hi sir, I have Command & Conquer The First Decade\ RA2, and I download 'MentalOmegaClient' , but I get "Kabooom" error massage, why?

[@tg.Sacred]

Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve those errors. :/

[@AbdullahQumper]

@@tg.Sacred ooh np, I think I need win10, I got win7 tho...

[@lepetitpecheuralamouchejea7579]

Salut quel chantier les combats de chars c'est un vrai bordel il est génial ce jeu j'ai mis un j'aime et ne savait très bien pourquoi il est super ce jeu 😁😃😉👍🏆🏆

[@PowellCat745]

It makes me wonder if 100 prism tanks can dominate 100 Tesla tanks.

[@mikuhatsune8121]

Etile Prism tanks is the best

[@dhdyfufu2904]

Prism tanks easy win

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

What was the name of this song that's playing while the tesla trooper eliminates the Rhinos?

[@Tesla_Trooper]

Thanks for video

[@meeestersparkle]

It's those rubber shoes!

[@FreedomFighterEx]

Maybe adjust the experience gain to 0 during the test so mid-fight promotion has no effect during the test? Feel like vet/elite gain could swing the fight in either way depending on how long vet/elite stay alive. Also, the Virgin Tesla Tank vs the Chad Tesla Trooper.

[@banmaitrinh]

Can you do battle fortress vs apocalypse tank, I wander which one is more powerful

[@ramadhanisme7]

A single handedly trooper beat out several tanks, I'm not sure he isn't clark kent 🤣🤣🤣

[@TCzerJea]

Elite Tesla Tanks vs elite Rhinos fight (especially 100vs100) was looking like Dothraki vs wights fight from last season of GoT: not much visible, but one army won without problems.

[@Axpo25]

Welp, looks like I was wrong about Tesla Tank which can't be used for assault units. I was thinking about how to launch an attack without having to spend too much funds for training/building fragile/vulnerable units.

[@Meliodas7M]

U should have tried elites but numbers in the same cost . Like 75 vs 100 or 38 vs 50

[@dracmeister]

Complicated. Units technically change price when they get promoted by a certain percentage. You'll notice this when you grind elite units into the Yuri Grinder.

[@Meliodas7M]

@@dracmeister i meant since TT has an advantage when elite vs multiple targets, maybe we can find out the equal numbers of power.. like what are the right numbers on both sides to get an engagement as close as possible

[@dracmeister]

@@Meliodas7M well if we're taking base price as the only factor. Then here's some raw stats. Elite Tesla Tanks get 150 damage electric(effective vs ground units in general) bouncing to multiple targets(I forgot the cap for bounces but it's the same for Prism Tanks.) Versus a small AoE with no damage falloff from Rhinos at 90 damage APE(Armor-piercing Explosive), same as non-elite but they shoot twice. On top of the new damage values, elite status gives an additional 25%[sic, someone who has rulesmd.ini correct this] damage. Adjusted, the Tesla Tank has a major advantage in terms of damage numbers. Also, rate of fire values change on elite but for some reason Rhino keeps the same value while elite teslas shoot around 5 frames faster. Elite status also stacks another buff over the change of value. I don't remember the percentage. In a sense, Teslas will almost always win in a raw no-micro environment because of damage and the rate of it and the fact it hits multiple targets at once. Even if we base the numbers off cost. TL;DR unit promotion is busted in RA2/YR. But ideally, you'd never even want a fair fight so mass rhinos are still the best plausible outcome due to how disgusting cost effective they are. For every 10 Tesla Tanks, there's 1 more Rhino Tank and they beat Teslas in production by 3 in-game seconds in a single-factory setting. Even in a standard build order(3-factory), Rhinos still produce 2 in-game seconds faster. Being a T2 unit(requires Radar) the Tesla essentially makes you pay for its price before even starting to build it.

[@Meliodas7M]

@@dracmeister Gotcha .. ty for taking the time to write all this down just for a random guy on YT

[@xDoudahx]

How did you manage to control the yellow and red player at the same time?

[@spectre9065]

You should do Rhino vs Grizzly, accounting for cost.

[@antonaleksanov2283]

For me Tesla tanks have better(looking) animation and perfectly fits soviet's tesla boys theme, but rhino tanks' quotes are one of my favorites. We will bury them

[@roymarkariosa7615]

apoc vs prism/battle fort pls

[@dimasdwiki6146]

Vanilla Tesla tank is ehhh But i love them in Mental Omega, so much better with that short emp shock

[@CnCDune]

According to the Russia loadscreen message, Tesla Tanks were supposed to have a similar effect in-game: "Tesla Tanks can short-circuit enemy vehicles". EMP logic doesn't exist in RA2YR though. Ares DLL brought it back, MO's using it.

[@jaralara6429]

How did you control both yellow and red?

[@tg.Sacred]

The guy who created the map managed to do it.

[@jaralara6429]

@@tg.Sacred Ah so it’s the map. Thanks!

[@f1r3-y_l1on2]

I was right! In big group battles Teslas pull ahead because of the damage they do and snowball an advantage. Still lose in equivalent cost value battles though lol

[@AttiliusRex]

Lancasters law

[@f1r3-y_l1on2]

@@AttiliusRex Is that what it's called? Nice one, I didn't actually know the name for it

[@AttiliusRex]

@@f1r3-y_l1on2 misspelled but Lanchester's law basically describes snowballing, how a 11:10 ratio in strength can end up in a decesive victory this video is a perfect example of it

[@MutongMusic]

How do you control two opponent's unit

[@tg.Sacred]

The guy who created the map managed to do it.

[@MutongMusic]

@@tg.Sacred that's a genius map

[@MutongMusic]

@@tg.Sacred would you mind sharing it?

[@tg.Sacred]

@@MutongMusic TAK02 is still working on it so he request not to share the map yet but once it's 100% complete he said it will be available for download! I will post it once it's done!

[@Forgottenmelon]

0:37 how can you control 2 colour?

[@tg.Sacred]

Check the pinned post!

[@Forgottenmelon]

@@tg.Sacred owh.. thanks

[@doublementalsizeoftheusero2874]

I want to know how much blood a special character has.

[@Power_Soon_yaya--9804]

Translate (Eng?? to Eng?) : "I want to know the hit point, skills and more details of each special units in this game."

[@V_for_Vovin]

Prism tanks vs Apoc tanks vs Masterminds... you know you want too...

[@TheSteve285]

Prism tanks will lose.

[@josephwhitehall3821]

@@TheSteve285 Depends of the superior numbers. Imagine 100 prizm tanks (because of their range those far behind will fire too) fire at once. If they are elite they will erase more than half of the other army equal in numbers and elite prizm tank shoots with little to no delay between every shot hitting multiple targets! 10 or 20 aren't very powerful vs 10 or 20 heavy tanks but 50 or more, that's something else!

[@anonim-8572]

Masterminds are overkill, Prisms won't do, as they are artillery, not super tanks... Battle Fortresses, Mirages and Tank Destroyers would be more of a competition.

[@anonim-8572]

@@josephwhitehall3821 They still are very fragile and deal low damage to tanks individually. Elite regular tanks would go through them like a hot knife through butter and very quickly negate the range advantage.

[@josephwhitehall3821]

​@@anonim-8572 I stand behind my comment to be true! Test it yourself - 50 elite prizm tanks vs 50 elite apocalypse or 50 masterminds or 50 elite rhinos or 50 elite tesla tanks or 50 elite mirage tanks or 50 elite battle fortresses. I'm telling you only 50 elite prizm tanks can destroy 50 elite prizm tanks by major luck to each battalion! Elite prizm tanks are very very hard to defeat if they are 40 or 50 and impossible to defeat if they're 100 or over 100 unless you attack them with an air unit! Do you even have any idea that the game might crash if 100 elite prizm tanks fire at 100 elite apocalypse tanks at once? Have you seen it?

[@Shiba_Inu_123]

damn... i did not know one elite tesla trooper can solo 6 rhino tanks

[@captainaom4508]

NOICE!

[@mfdsrax2]

So who is the winner?

[@racelkatyusha403]

spamming apocalypes tank is more terifying

[@ILoveNigga]

They are terrifying untill 5 elite GGI inside battlefortress come.

[@rygyouwill5293]

Just bring some masterminds

[@MoondropSimulacra]

@@ILoveNigga if I was you... I would sent 5 elite boris inside battlefortress lmao

[@tyhy1]

i was wrong. this isnt like stu's videos. its like those starcraft, units against units videos XD

[@fegooo6552]

whats your name on cnc online ?

[@jaffarali2379]

1:55 how did you desteoyed the enemy and you was walking

[@stigmanboxy2743]

I hope next video will be Sniper Vs Virus.

[@Frost-01]

DAMN.... the rhino is so cost effective its disgusting ....

[@anonim-8572]

...until it meets uncrushable antitank infantry.

[@Drauzet]

wish tesla tanks were a little cheaper so that they have more use

[@itsmajgc6158]

9 prism towers vs units

[@johndexterzarate6663]

....Welp, looks like tg will be back to test shock troopers in the next one because of the MO update.

[@Taki_4869]

Thats why i dont like the tesla tank , if he atleast could have 100 hp more

[@Demonicdan3]

I like how this video basically illustrates why Tesla Tanks are terrible units in serious play and why noone ever builds them (besides the fact that Deslators are overpowered and there's no reason to not play as Iraq). For the same amount of money you can get more Rhinos which roll over just about anything, and the Tesla Tanks themselves have disadvantages that make them suffer against other tanks in tank battles - shorter range, can't move while shooting and slightly less health than a Rhino - which means against Mirages, Battle Fortress, Mastermind, Magnetron etc they just get kited, and they cannot retreat from a fight without being at a disadvantage since they can't shoot while moving. If the Tesla Tank was actually good, it'd be way too overpowered since it would basically have no weakness except for air (which Flak covers very well).

[@Fly0DB]

0:32 - 1:02 But it's 9 vs 10

[@liliwinnt6]

requires better tactics of the player to survive

[@TheValentineEnemy]

Veteran and "Cost effective" battles are to be avoided gotcha. ^^

[@Kapkan950]

0:35 9 telsa tanks not 10

[@MrGaurdians]

So the Tesla tank is good when you match your oponent 1 vs 1 but if you have dissadvantage tesla would not win the battle for you.

[@aequitasveritas3419]

tesla-trooper humiliated tesla-tanks)

[@aproapemasini6066]

Never thought of Tesla Tanks more than expensive garbage.

[@hemandy94]

They are kinda situational not to mention russia exclusive.

[@nomoredamnnamestouse]

By the time you build one in real competitive MP the other Soviet player would have at least be 2 Rhinos ahead of you, since Tesla Tanks require radar and Rhinos don't.

[@dba6097]

So that means Russia is good at Late Game mass?? Abusing the armor of Rhino and Firepower of Tesla

[@Lekz0]

Gd players just use rhinos Iraq is the best sov faction

[@anonim-8572]

That's because of desolators TTNKs occupy a niche already taken by other Soviet tanks, while desos take a barren niche

[@dhdyfufu2904]

1 year old kid stop crying kid