Red Dead Redemption 2 Review in Progress - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 193

[@CriticalNobody]

Hold down the pause button to bring up the map without going into the menu. Also, double tapping the holster weapon button will make Arthur twirl his handgun before putting it away. You’re welcome

[@kingceez5982]

Yup

[@fantasticomundonerd1844]

and if you hold the loot button you will automatically loot everything in the cabinet

[@tristankimball834]

Was just vonna comment the hold start thing haha. Thanks for telling me about the pistol twirling thats awesome!

[@RobChapmanCreativeHabits]

Saw that you can also slightly hold R2 to begin building deadeye (like in an actual duel) like when you're in a bad situation and you need deadeye to resolve it :) like when you're being held up

[@jarradhunt7049]

I knew the map....but thank you for the gun tip. I'll be doing that for the next 10hrs

[@seanv4735]

Arthur literally says in one of his journal entries that he was unhappy with his part in one of the raids/story missions. He's referencing how he's unhappy with his way of life and the violence attached to it. Jared makes a great point that the violence we are forced to perform in missions are 100% benchmarks in the story to set us up for this "redemption" that may come Arthur's way. I don't want to be negative because I do love Greg but I feel he's just being impatient with the game and dismissing it way too easily while also lacking the foresight for what I'm convinced will be a great outcome to this game. All love.

[@googlename9851]

I like the part " lacking the foresight". Could it be that less intelligent people are the ones who don't really enjoy RDR2 or is it just a matter of patience?

[@p0rn0saur]

Greg is an idiot, if it ain't black and white like Spiderman no patience. I'm actually surprised how much he puts up with Last of Us but the boner Sony fanboi part makes sense there. Game was trash last 6 hours.

[@justinhathorn7645]

His journal entries change depending on your karma. Another cool detail.

[@bnyceee]

I dont get how you dont have patience, when putting in 20 hours lol. Im no Greg apologist but the game hasnt grabbed me yet either, maybe something will click and Im hoping it will, but for now I agree on most of what hes saying.

[@fishlikeyoio2198]

This is a story about redemptive compulsive character that can be control by every gamer who bought the game. That's sum up the game for you.

[@DavidLopanjr]

The game is too slow? Whats the rush? Its Red Dead you probably wont get another one for at least 8 years.

[@ramiz1242]

David LoPan Jr. The First was also slow..

[@CheefChaos]

@@ramiz1242 just the Mexico portion bogged down

[@captainhook3962]

Assassins creed is a checklist grind. RDR is an experience and more about the journey than the destination.

[@boogatygafrench6659]

Right?!? How can you love assassins creed odyssey and not this... I burnt out at 35 hours total I've already almost played that now since release

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Fuck yeah man. I have a feeling I will really enjoy Odyssey once I get around to it, but that’s not happening until next year. Back burner game. Red Dead is king.

[@boogatygafrench6659]

@@SandyCheeks1896 assassins creed was excellent when I picked it up I was super happy with it 8/10 but jesus christ if red dead ain't the greatest game of all time.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

Boogatyga French Dude, Red Dead is a Top 5 gaming experience for me ever.

[@boogatygafrench6659]

@@sergiogarcia5593 for sure. I'm not a huge gamer, I've played a little of all the most popular stuff and a few good idies, but nothing has ever really drawn me in besides competitive cod bc I'm good at it andcompetitive as hell. This game though, is everything ive ever asked for in one massive package. When I think video game this is what I want

[@jimmymurphy898]

The fact that Greg loves Odyssey kinda proves to me more that Red Dead is a masterpiece. Odyssey is repetitive, grindy and absolutely encourages you to use microtransactions while Red Dead has a far better story, organic gameplay, and a realistic lived in world

[@last_gasp2152]

Odyssey is a copy and paste game.. I’ve never really trusted Greg’s opinion since he started referring to himself in the 3rd person...

[@WolfyMarcus]

Oof Odyssey was soo goddamn repetitive. It gives the same missions just in different world locations idk who thought that it was a good idea to do that. Rdr2 was damn good on the other hand, sure there's repetitiveness coz it's a survival game. But the story and the world it is set in makes up for everything.

[@jimmymurphy898]

@@WolfyMarcus Yeah, I completely agree. Red Dead has some repetition for sure but the sheer variety in the world and the amount of new shit you can discover when it comes to storytelling and game play whenever I play that game is mindblowing. Clearly, there was a lot of heart and soul put into it. Also, Arthur Morgan is my favorite videogame character period. His character development and story really connected with me in a way no other fictional character has. When Greg said he didn't like Arthur I could feel myself getting triggered lmao

[@WolfyMarcus]

@@jimmymurphy898 Totally! Arthur Morgan is the best video game protagonist ever. I recently found out about this channel so I thought of checking on his views on RDR2. But I could tell from the comments that he doesn't like the game so I noped out of this video lol.

[@jimmymurphy898]

@@WolfyMarcus yeah rdr 2 is one of my favorite probably my favorite game ever. There are def issues with it but c'mon Arthur is an incredible character. He actually feels like a real person. I like him way better than John.

[@klblax00]

Jared nailed it, it's a game where you think about it when not playing. That's the mark of a great game. P.S. I'm sure ya'll have picked up on this, but holding down the options button brings up the map, so you don't have to press two buttons.

[@iProvisionals]

Today has been the true test of that for myself and I'm going to guess a tonne of people. A weekend of playing it and then having to go out and work has really cemented how good it is in my mind. I couldn't stop seeing things in the real world and thinking about the game. There aren't many times I've played games and been this consumed by it. In a way I wish it came out over Christmas so I had more time to play straight but I think chipping away at this game is the way it is intended to be played.

[@klblax00]

@@theryan519 Yes! This game constantly gave me Witcher 3 vibes.

[@henreebee6561]

I’m feeling the same thing with RD, and I haven’t had a game like that in a long time. So freakin fun.

[@SandyCheeks1896]

theryan519 Yep. I think literally the only potential thing in the horizon that could come close to matching it for me could be Ghosts of Tsushima or Cyberpunk.

[@courage552]

Most immersive game I've ever played hands down I'm always thinking about playing even when I'm not it's crazy

[@adamska4126]

You could literally replace Tim in this episode with my grandmother who doesn't know what a Ps4 is and this episode would have been no different.

[@p0rn0saur]

Couldn't disagree more with Greg, but I've never really aligned with him on anything. I'm doing side stuff all the time that seems the opposite of a bad guy. I guess he's crunching the main story.

[@googlename9851]

Watch Colin's review

[@MegaTuber86]

RDR2 is just proving the gaming community is full of people with low attention spans

[@googlename9851]

Exactly

[@CRIMS0NF0X]

Preach

[@MrXmoda]

Yeah its pretty sad many gamers now only want games they can hop on and do a mission or 2 and get off like what? enjoy it when you have a nice size of time and no distractions

[@thefakejoey8549]

As someone who hasn't played the first or second game, this comes off as someone who doesn't understand that some people want different things from video games or maybe have different lifestyles. (Again, I haven't played either game, so I'm not insulting your opinion of the game or the game itself). Maybe they prefer games they can play in short bursts. Maybe they're just busy. Or maybe they travel a lot and prefer shorter experiences or appreciate the portability of the Switch for example. I don't know. I love long games with a good story and tons of side content, so I can understand why people feel so strongly about Red Dead. But everyone has their own preferences, right?

[@bradgenereux9608]

Hero of Twilight he never said people don’t have different preferences. If having a short attention span is a reason you don’t like a game like that’s then that’s just how it is

[@willdpj15]

I feel like Greg needs to sit down and bang it out. I beat the game and Arthur's character development is one of the best I've seen in a video game and I prefer him over John Morrison now.

[@CheefChaos]

I just beat the game last night, slow rolled it and then online came out. So amazing of a story, Jack was Arthur's hope for a clean future. Jack is Arthur and John's 'Ellie'

[@WylieWebster]

ReachBreach117 lol who’s John Morrison?

[@WackyW3irdo]

You guys have to understand that Greg has the attention span of a small child. Thats why he praises Fortnite and has said numerous times that it deserves to be in the GOTY running for this year lol We live an ADHD generation and lots of people can't appreciate a masterpiece cause their mind just won't let them. Thats why Battle Royale is so popular because people can play 15-25 minutes rounds that are mostly full action the whole time.

[@frankwest9304]

I’m diagnosed adhd and this game is a masterpiece imo. Just thought I’d tell you my cognitive issues lmao

[@cr-nd8qh]

Lol

[@edytking95]

I am 22 hours in and so far I love it. Like Jared said the game is a slow burn but the is so immersive that it just sucks you in. I never fast travel and spend whole in game days in the camp just existing around the side characters. It’s an amazing experience so far.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

edytking95 Absolutely. I’ve played maybe 10 hours of it and like 5 have been wondering around and experiencing the world. It’s fucking incredible.

[@andrewrutherford9255]

Same here, absolutely loving it. I'm around 50 hours in and am still aching to play more. All day at work i just think about getting home to jump back in haha.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

Andrew Rutherford Yeah, Red Dead has become sort of a High School crush in that way lol

[@Cryptic-cy3xr]

Same here man. I also find myself walking a lot. I don't think there's ever been a game where I've wanted to just walk around

[@ACM185]

How do you see how many hours you have played?

[@thegeekdeveloper]

Pro Tip: Hold press the Options buttons on PS4 to open the Map on RDR2

[@cabronioco8792]

We are playing the best version on ONE X.

[@joshrogers6669]

@@cabronioco8792 Hold the button with the 3 lines mr fancy pants :-)

[@ricardoalmeida4719]

Greg was incapable of saying a single positive thing about RDR2. It just seems he's disliking it because of some weird outside reason he doesn't disclose. Just look at his body language. What the hell did RDR2 did to him to put him so off. Is it because he won't get the platinum so easily and fast as in other games? Is it because Jared clearly knows more about it than him? Complaining you're a bad guy and didn't want to? What were you expecting? Picking flowers and go around helping everyone? The tip is in the game's name: Dead + Redemption. This is not Sim's. Greg sounds like someone who really doesn't care about games that are different from what he's used to. He was stuck in the "dead" part and didn't care to get to the "redemption".

[@frankie1376]

Like Greg and Jared I'm playing white hat. For the first 10-20 hours I agreed with Greg but now I'm realizing the greatness in this game. Coming off from GOW and Spiderman this game comes to a screeching halt and it's jarring and took some time for me to get used to. Eventually it clicks and it becomes like an acquired taste. And since it's an approximately 70 hour story I don't foresee the real turn around in Arthur’s character till after the midpoint maybe even the penultimate sequence. This game is the most realistic depiction of what the Wild West really was down to the boring everyday chores with a little action sprinkled in every once in awhile and it took me a long time to realize what rockstar is going for. I certainly appreciate it now that I realized its intent. I’m taking my time with this and I’m 20 hours in and holding my impressions till I roll credits, so far it’s good with the potential of being great.

[@p0rn0saur]

Greg is going to look really stupid if he keeps comparing this game to AssCreed

[@jakez32]

I can't believe Greg isn't going to finish this game. Because you're not a hero? C'mon dude, grow up. People are complicated. See the story through.

[@damnedOP]

Jake Zielsdorf bro he is a grown man. He isnt forced to like anything. He can just play something else he likes. I agree rdr2 10/10 amazing, but cmon doesnt mean everyone has to suck its dick.

[@grizzlybearking1878]

The irony in your comment. Lol. Telling a guy to "grow up" because of his video game PREFERENCE! and how he choose to use his OWN time. Lol

[@jakez32]

@@damnedOP He says Arthur is an evil character. Jared recognizes the fascinating complexity of the way Arthur deals with his station in life. He's an anti-hero. Some of the best TV shows ever feature anti-heroes. This game is real role playing, not some make easy heroic choices shit. A good games critic should be able to put themselves in the shoes of someone like Arthur. Apparently Greg can't. It's a parochial attitude.

[@damnedOP]

Grizzly Bear King 🥈

[@damnedOP]

A good game critic should just review games. Doesnt matter if you like what he says, or if he ever got through it. Some of the best reviews on IGN, are good and bad games Greg played. Who cares if he didnt like RDR.

[@fotuto13]

Why are so many people obsessed with playing Arthur as a good guy? He's an outlaw in a gang. He's just not into killing innocents.

[@Sleepgarden]

because for a game with the idea of "do whatever you want, it's a massive ass game.......except you're not allowed to do this" is dumb

[@Name-fd2co]

Gean C Right? John Marston wasn’t a good guy either. Arthur isn’t even a typical bad guy, he’s pretty conflicted about the things he does, the kind of person he’s made and the choices he’s made. A goodie goodie character is boring and furthermore not realistic. I can’t fathom how this guy is a journalist in the industry and doesn’t know a great character like that.

[@TheRealMark_1980]

Being the bad guy is fun. You're always a bad guy in GTA

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Mark Gaudet lol yeah. Greg love GTA but hates being the bad guy? Hold up bro, it don’t add up.

[@tunnicc6704]

Mark Gaudet Greg’s problem is that he feels like the direction of red dead 2’s story is a bit wishy washy and not very clear. In his eyes a story should have a clear focus on where the character’s well character is heading. John had clear motivator to become a good guy and Joel had a clear motivator to become a good guy but with Arthur it isn’t really clear to him. I can understand this but I feel like that redemption story has been flipped on it’s head here which I feel is the true beauty of this game but still I can understand why some ppl may not vibe with this

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@tunnicc6704 But all of that proves that Greg hasn't played RDR 2 much. Athur grew up in this gang and he knows no different, but hes also willing to do good when he can, and he cares about his fellow gang members even if he is cantankerous about it. Arthur is a completely different character to who Greg thinks he is.

[@librarygary1618]

You can't play red dead 2 with a games outlet "I HAVE TO PLAY ALL OF THIS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN HEAR MY OPINIONS" mentality. This game wants you live in the world and Greg didn't do that when he played. He didn't want to have to wait to be a good guy which is boring and defeats all the weight and importance of the story and the idea of karma. "Odyssey did this all better for me" means that it was a lot more accessible because it spells everything out for you in a way that after playing open world games for my whole life and every Assassin's Creed, is at this point nauseating and redundant. After playing red dead 2 I'd rather kms than force myself to sit down and play games that are now 100% a checklist compared to Red Dead 2 that is the epitome of "organic." It broke open world games and the paradigm of "walk up, press A, they spit a line, your objective will be highlighted." Even Spider-man for PS4 a game that had me in awe feels like a cheap toy in comparison to red dead when I played the new DLC.

[@Hector-eh6do]

Yeah, I'm going to be playing this for the next few months adn I'll finish it when I can. I'm enjoying the journey so much.

[@fantasticomundonerd1844]

iam huge assassins creed fan that being said there's a reason why i decided to pass on this year AC for Red Dead i still love AC but this game is on another level and Greg not giving this game a fair chance its just disappointing u need to play this game slowly

[@alexanderchilton911]

Except games like Spiderman and to a lesser degree Odyssey are FUN to PLAY and CONTROL. Controlling Morgan isn't organic at all, but the world is. The characters are, mission structure etc. Both things can exist, but I hate how every time a game that excels in one regard is seen as the BEST thing ever, even in areas where it is obviously lacking.

[@ThatsHipHop4Yaaa]

Alexander Chilton True but there are ways to make the movement feel better. I just put on tap for run and haven’t looked back. Plus the cinematic mode is great if you don’t wanna fast travel. It keeps your horse on that path and takes you where you mark all the time.

[@Kmaitland89]

@@alexanderchilton911 The conversations that you're looking for, the ones where people actually reflect on the game in a calm and intelligent manner will happen in 3-6 months from now when everyone has calmed down over the excitement.

[@frankie1376]

Just played the train robbery Greg was referring to, and I’m happy to report you don’t have to 1-rob the innocent folk 2- beat the innocent. All I did was look away and John either beat them or told them Arthur would do it. Either way 25 hours in and I still haven’t robbed or killed an innocent.

[@ryanwest5179]

I’ve noticed it before, but Greg seems to always have this need to play as a good person in a video game. The person either has to be on a mission for the greater good or at least they have to have a good moral compass. Like he said, it’s his preference and not a detriment to the game. But I feel like the only reason he can’t get into the story is because Arthur isn’t a good guy. Odd to me because I find it so refreshing that my character isn’t a good guy. He’s a bad person and that’s not what we get throughout entirety of games. Even The Last of Us portrayed Joel as somewhat of a ‘good guy’ until the end. Love hearing different views on the game though

[@DavidLopanjr]

Which only means that he's probably a serial killer.

[@BeardedBilliards]

I think Greg's point is more that since Arthur Morgan is a bad man, it seems odd that he would do the "right" thing in any situation. I am loving the game, and I think the story is very interesting and fun, but I also was trying to be a good guy, and then in some cutscene, Arthur says, "I'm a bad man, sir." Or something to that effect. It kind of threw me off, because it felt like I was doing all this good, trying to take my character in a direction, but then it's affirmed that it's not really changing the character at all. I think the main issue Greg has, is "Why would Arthur Morgan ever have any reason to do the 'right' thing?"

[@ryanwest5179]

MrGreenerCat oh I got that. I understood his point in that aspect. But I still feel like he needs to feel good about the character he’s playing as to enjoy the story being told. Not just due to how he talked about Red Dead, but other games in the past as well. Also I don’t think Greg is wrong or stupid for feeling this way. Think it’s a preference that he has. I’m just not sure he totally realizes he has that preference though and it seems as if he sometimes believes that in all games you should like or feel good about the character you’re playing as. Also this is a big assumption I’m making about someone else’s video game likes/dislikes lol. Just based on things he’s said in various podcasts/reviews.

[@BeardedBilliards]

@@ryanwest5179 Oh I see. I definitely see what you're saying. I actually had a little bit of a tough time with that when I played God of War recently. The things that Kratos would say to his son would make me feel bad, but then I realized I was playing a character, and a deliberately crafted story. I think I (and maybe Greg too) need to realize that about RDR2 as well.a

[@ryanwest5179]

MrGreenerCat I think it’s something easier for me to notice because if given the choice, I choose to be more villainous in games. I like to make my character more ruthless and do bad things just for the sake of it. So that’s making me enjoy Red Dead 2 than most people I think. Story-wise anyways. My favorite way to play a game character, if given the choice, is in a very mischievous manner. If I can swindle people for more money, or just lie straight to their face to get an upper hand in something, I love it. In any TellTale game, I’d almost never be in the majority for big decisions because I would choose to kill someone as punishment for something or things like that. I think it’s just preferences on how people like to feel when they play a game. Sometimes though, I feel as if Greg confuses this preference of his as something that can be a criticism. And in Red Dead 2’s case, I don’t think it can be used as criticism.

[@LuisGomez-fr1yb]

After listening to Greg's "critique" of RDR2 I lost respect for his take on anything, and cut my patreon support. Giving it to EZA!

[@Mega0003000]

Greg seems so bothered by the fact that Arthur isn't a "perfect" human being....well neither was John Marston. Neither was Joel from the Last Of Us. And I know Greg said he liked the Last Of Us because he found "hope" in trying to protect Ellie. Well then, I wonder what his stance will be when he plays Last Of Us 2. A grown Ellie, only looking out for her own well-being, going around stabbing people in the neck. 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@InFiiLtRaTor]

You completely missed the point. He's saying that there's a morality system that gives you a choice to make "good" decisions yet when playing through the story you have no agency over Arthur's morality. So why even give the option to be a good guy in only select situations when the character is written as a bad guy?...

[@Hunterese123]

@@InFiiLtRaTor Game also has 4 endings that deal with the morality system

[@arthanau_hots1548]

I typically prefer more fast paced games but after dumping 15 or so hours into red dead 2. I have to say. I love the slow paced feel of it and the cruel attention to detail. I think the complaints about Arthur being a truly bad dude are valid, but on the other hand. As someone who typically plays a good guy. Playing as Arthur has been a wonderful and somber experience. I feel every terrible thing I've done has carried immense weight and I continue to think about these things. I feel like I am playing as a man who regrets the life he has led. And I feel like those moments come across so well when I'm quietly in the woods skinning a deer thinking about the fact that I just killed an innocent man who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Its rare that I enjoy a slow paced game but this game has been wonderful, but I don't think it's for everyone nor does it have to be. This game is for me

[@tristankimball834]

Im on chapter 3 in rdr2 and just ran into a stranger that ends with me making a decision very similar to Greg's rdr1 story. Cant believe he doesn't like this game. He really looks back on rdr 1 with rose tinted glasses, this game is the sequel I've been waiting for.

[@ThatsHipHop4Yaaa]

I truly don’t understand Greg’s complaint. There are multiple opportunities to be a good person in the game. Like the train robbery you could of kill them or sent them on their way. The guy you could of saved on the cliff, and all the countless random encounters where you save or help people. Did Greg just mainline the story? Did he really explore? Because you can pretty much have Arthur be Robin Hood if you want.

[@adamska4126]

Connor Maruke those little things pale when the game forces you to slaughter an entire town of innocents lol...

[@Mega0003000]

@@adamska4126 You also do that in Uncharted. Last Of Us. etc.....So Greg's point is ASS

[@adamska4126]

Mega0003000 you don't really kill innocents in Uncharted and TLOU was fine until Joel lost it at the very end. Red Dead 2 has a level of realism unlike any other game so it feels different too. Even runnung over a rabbit with your horse feels terrible.

[@Mega0003000]

@@adamska4126 Well im sorry that Red Dead is too immoral for your holy spirit 🙄 Sensitive PC gamers nowadays

[@adamska4126]

Mega0003000 im playing red dead right this moment and loving it fool

[@Raymond0Brien]

I find so interesting and awesome that two of the best games this year (and gen), RDR2 and GOW, took a slower and deliberate approach. I think this shows the confidence these studios have of the overall experience of their games.

[@robwright3370]

I'm 25 hours in, barely through Chapter 2. Couldn't disagree with Greg more. P.s. opening the map is 1 button... come on guys.

[@cr-nd8qh]

Nah too hard to figure out

[@XxHessxX7]

Jared nailed it

[@CL0UDR1DER]

After playing Red Dead Redemption 2 I'll never touch an Assassin's Creed game ever again

[@jjustakiid]

yea right LOL

[@WilliamThomasjr]

Thank god Jared is on this ep. it’s so refreshing to hear someone who can talk about games intelligently, especially with this game where everything isn’t baby fed to you

[@PremierLeagueProductions]

My condolences to Leicester for the lives lost outside the King Power stadium in the helicopter crash Saturday🙏🏾. Tottenham Hotspur v Citeh at Wembley tonight will be a welcome distraction and conclude the weekend.

[@fragr33f74]

Not a great weekend for the football family indeed.

[@PremierLeagueProductions]

fragr33f #PrayForLeicester

[@jansennewman9]

city*

[@233428fh4328hef42dd2]

​@@jansennewman9 "Citeh" is a nickname for Man City..

[@jansennewman9]

Right, so “citeh” still makes no fucking sense

[@m0rbidr00ster6]

I disagree that Arthur is an evil man.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

M0rbid R00ster Me too. He is what he is. An outlaw from the late 1800s. He isn’t evil, but not a good person either.

[@CheefChaos]

Arthur's drive is to give Jack a good future

[@SandyCheeks1896]

I love how Jared so thoroughly dived into and explains the nuance and Greg is just like “Bad man bad, game no fun”

[@Isaactheking17]

Davey Jones you obviously didn't listen, try again

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Quidz BAD MAN BAD. GAME. NO. FUN!

[@p0rn0saur]

@@Isaactheking17 you're an idiot, Greg just said I can't play as a bad guy and he's in Chapter 2 at best, he needs to do better on this take

[@fragr33f74]

The discrepancy between how Greg and Andy feel about RDR and AC Odessy shows how different their taste is to mine. Which is NOT a bad thing. But it does make it interesting listening to their dislikes. And, yes, I know Andy likes the game. Finally, Jared made a great point about us, the player, not being ready for the consequences of our violence. So many other games try and make violence seem like a bad thing, and despite pretty imagery, fail at it. RDR 2 is a game that makes you feel the consequences of your choices. This game is far braver than 90% of the AAA shit out on the market. TLOU was the last game that made me feel this way.

[@ianm7731]

This game is a masterpiece, it's not for everyone though. The attention to detail is insane, like this whole game oozes with substance. Jared hits the nail on the head with his thoughts about this game. I love talking about all the little random things ive been through so far on my journey in the game with friends that also have their own unique stories. I've already had so many memorable experiences in rdr2 and feel I've barely scratched the surface

[@sergiogarcia5593]

XecutiveD XD Definitely a masterpiece.

[@Euruk1]

Being married with a kid and a full time job Ive only had about an hour or 2 a night to play. This game still has me hooked as RDR1 did and I look forward to binge the game this weekend at some point. At work its all I think about. Its been years since Ive had a game do this to me.

[@GamingGodsAmongUs]

As someone who's beaten the game. It's honestly perfect in my opinion and what Greg and some are looking for comes much later. I mean it is red dead redemption. The redemption comes later.

[@Isaactheking17]

GamingGodsAmongUs definitely not a perfect game, but it's pretty fun

[@owenmarlow5008]

Everyone trust the dude with a red dead avatar to have an unbiased opinion. This game is far from “perfect” it controls like absolute dogshit.

[@GamingGodsAmongUs]

@@owenmarlow5008 Did I say it controlled perfectly you moron? I was talking about the story. All R* games are clucky and everyone knows it. How about you learn to understand what people are saying before typing away.

[@matthewurso6840]

Having watched Jared's Red Dead Radio with Greg, I feel like I know where this episode is gonna go. While I think Greg has valid complaints (some of which I agree with) I feel like overall I am thoroughly enjoying the game and disagree a bit with Greg. Nevertheless, I hope everyone playing has a great time!

[@m.o.2185]

Matthew Urso I agree. Although I appreciate Greg’s opinion as always, I completely disagree with him. Sure there are things I see his point on, but I see them as minor. This is my favorite game of all time, no bs. RDR1 was my favorite before. It’s been a great year for single-player. Also, Greg is great and allowed to have an opinion keep it up KF!

[@preyingocelotgames4397]

So good to see people giving their own opinions while not getting mad at different ones. Rare thing these days.

[@christopherb1600]

It seems Greg is looking for more of a "gamey" experience. Which Is absolutely understandable. He seems to prefer stuff that I have no desire in playing. Such as Monster Hunter World, Assassin's Creed, Spider-Man, etc. To me, those are very gamey experiences. I see where he's coming from on Red Dead 2 (especially the clunkiness) but I have to disagree with mostly everything he's saying. Everything is so immersive and masterful in this game. To the point where it's spoiling me for future games. It probably helps I'm a huge fan of westerns. Which are deliberately slow burn and drawn out. Rockstar knew what they were doing in that regard. It's a bold and innovative direction by Rockstar, and I respect the hell out of it.

[@Kmaitland89]

@@christopherb1600 I actually was thinking this the other day while watching him on Red Dead Radio. He likes "video game ass video games". God Of War has many of those types of tropes in them and he loves that game. Nothing wrong with it at all. I'm really these comments are much better than they where on Red Dead Radio. Everything isn't for everyone and that's just fine.

[@oOoPsilocybinoOo]

@@Kmaitland89 The comments on Red Dead Radio were so gross. I'm glad these are shaping up to be more civil as well.

[@jfwalken]

I think Greg is missing on the character development by not doing the side stuff. Helping the camp and playing games with the members leads to more missions with the members where you find the development. Also if a beating makes you forever a bad guy then Greg needs to trade in the panties. Lol

[@Gareth_Muse]

I completely respect everyone’s opinions on this show, I just find it disheartening that after all the years that I’m pretty sure we’ve all been asking for more exploration and less “Ubisoft map checklisting”, the checklisting literally gets championed in this video. Assassins creed games are fine, the mission structures are simple and there’s always a tick box to fill, I thought we’d be a bit over that by now. The level of immersion and realism in Red Dead for not just giving you tick box quests and actually having story variance is something that gamers been craving for decades. How on earth is an assassins creed game being praised higher than this masterpiece? Jared every word you say is correct and I love you.

[@cr-nd8qh]

Hell yeah

[@TenaciousDDP101]

Greg stop coloring and pay attention to the conversations.

[@ajwithnoname5527]

Arthur is NOT evil. He can be mean, but he’s not evil.

[@jamesburton6405]

AC just did nothing for me it's the same stuff over and over game after game red dead is just a new idea

[@DanV900]

James Burty Red Dead 2’s combat is the exact same as every Rockstar game where it hasn’t improved at all. Odyssey was very different and the best Assassin’s Creed game in a very long time. Red Dead 2 is not a new idea which just isn’t true as a prequel. The characters are different like Odyssey with a new cast. It’s definitely much slower as a game which is new. The awful fast travel system is certainly new though.

[@courage552]

Red Dead 2 blows assassin creed out the water

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

Courage Ekhaguere Red Dead 2 has outdated controls and is trash

[@chattingbout]

Gotta agree with Jared on this one, the story and gameplay and systems and quality and quantity, just makes it all feel like it was tailor made for me

[@rivers0078]

I put Arthur on a vegan soy diet

[@charoleawood]

Cows' milk has mammal estrogen.

[@bigbotzone]

This week Tim to review a game he hasn't played, next week Andy to tell people how to live life as a hunting dog.

[@Eternal-CMO]

I found it helped make the controls way more comfortable when I changed to Standard FPS, and lowered the deadzone and accelerated aim sensitivity. Also, what others said about holding the option button to bring up map directly. BTW, I guess it varies from display to display, but Digital Foundry put up a video analyzing the HDR in RDR2. It's not true HDR, and for a lot of people looks like SDR. It has less vibrant colors, oversaturates and makes the game world look washed out with it set to "on"; which is the opposite of every PS exclusive in HDR for me along with games like BF1. They even compare the hot spots for dynamic lighting to games that do it better like AC Odyssey. It's almost as if there's a bug where "off" is really on for RDR2's HDR.

[@coltburns6318]

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Greg after watching this and red dead radio. I mean he doesn’t like red dead because your a bad guy even if you make good choices. But he loves assassins creed where your a mercenary who fights and kills for money whether you choose good or bad dialogue options. does anybody else see the hypocrisy of his statements? Lol and he loves Spider-Man a game I also liked but doesn’t even compare to red dead 2’s open world. It felt like a open world from the last console generation come on Greg

[@alecmartelle]

I just picked RDR2 on Saturday, and I haven't been able to play yet due to work, but I CAN NOT wait to play. I've been waiting for a "slower" open world game like this to sink my teeth into. Especially since this is more "realistic" and how much detail there is. AHHHH :D

[@Epitective]

I’m in medical school and this game has made me addicted to my ps4. I love this game but I need to stop playing it, if not... I am not going to pass my upcoming exam if I continue this.

[@fairnvay8940]

No Spoilers: I've just fished the story and honestly I am blown away. I've rarely played a game where I felt so invested in the characters. I played my Arthur as a good man and despite the fact his way of life meant he did plenty of bad things, I still had multiple chances to do right by people. It didn't feel like I was good or bad, but conflicted, which I think is the point. What's amazing is that without spoiling too much, this game remembers how you've acted. Even though I'm done, I'm still eager to spend more time in this world. This is a game to be savored slowly like a fine wine. I dont mean to sound hyperbolic but it's truly a masterpiece of modern entertainment in my opinion.

[@GothGfGG]

Fairn Vay sane, just finished this as well. It’s super frustrating hearing Greg’s opinion knowing how fantastic this story is.

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Jared Petty has the correct opinion here. Move along folks.

[@CallingAllNerds]

You are so wrong Greg. Rockstar has done an amazing job of creating a bad guy that you don't really care about in the beginning and by the end, you end up loving him so much, that he is one of the best video game characters of all time. You don't finish this game you are missing out on something really special.

[@KirkRedgate]

Isn't every Rockstar game about playing bad guy's. What makes this any different? Arthur is enjoyable to play, wheather you decide to be good or bad really doesn't matter. Don't know how anyone could not be having fun with this game. What an amazing world to interact with and be a part off. It's revolutionary!

[@nate1735]

Ik

[@eastKilroy]

I agree with Jared. I am only about an hour and a half in and I think this game is already ahead of its time. I think that in years to come we will look back at this as a classic, something like Metal Gear Solid 1 etc. I'm hoping anyways! As for Gregs opinion, I don't get all the backlash - it didn't click with him yet he can appreciate the quality. Nothing wrong with that! If we all liked everything the same as each other then how boring would games be?

[@eastKilroy]

PS Jared is the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of games media...

[@tylerrobins8770]

RDR2 is a breath of fresh air for me. I love open world games, but they tend to all be a checklist grind lately. RDR2 is a nice change of pace with the more organic mission structures. My only complaint is I wish RDR2 had a little more RPG elements such as gear stats and basic skill trees etc. With that being said, the story is the best I've experienced in a game. I've never cared for characters like I have in this game. The ups and downs in the story really hit hard.

[@henreebee6561]

I respect that Greg isn’t connecting with Arthur, but I just think he’s a classic antihero. I’m only at the beginning, maybe 6 hours in, still in chapter 2, and he does bad things, like intimidating and threatening people, but he also has a soft side, sketching and writing in his journal and whatnot- again, classic shades-of-gray antihero. He’s not a totally evil person though, and that makes me interested to see how he’s going to change over the course of the game. Now if there’s no development by the end, then I’ll be disappointed, but right now, I don’t think he’s unredeemable. And that’s the point of these games, that the characters seek their REDEMPTION!

[@Fonzflicks]

I'm kind of mad about taking a girl home after her horse died. On the way there, I got off the horse real quick to skin a dead possum. She got impatient and jumped off the horse when we were almost there. Lost some good XP points. Wanted to quit and start over after that, but thought no way after the slow start.

[@derekfrost1706]

Fonz yeah, I was taking her home and then I tripped over a rock. She died, I looted

[@hipjo]

Nah you're trolling, no way you're this dumb lol. "xp points?" And wanting to start the whole game over because you failed a non important diversions on the side of the road? K

[@Fonzflicks]

@@hipjo No, that's just how I am. Of course, I'm not going to restart, but it bothers me when I mess up and don't get to redo. It's good meter or whatever. You see a white little symbol to right of screen if you do good or red symbol if you do bad.

[@elidavidortiz8958]

God this game is so freaking enjoyable. Love how the story picks up 20 hours in.

[@Stonehengoo]

lol

[@greendaytomd96]

Agree with jared with Assassins creed. Must be in a minority of people who don't like the checklist, hit pointer, video gamey direction that AC has taken totally breaks my immersion in the game. It Locks off main quests and forces me to do chore like side quests ... couldn't even finish origins. One of the things I love about side quests in rdr2 is that you just stumble upon them they make the world feel alive and you are never artificially forced into doing anything.

[@chadjohnson3737]

I love being a savage outlaw. That's what I wanted out of Red Dead 1.

[@cr-nd8qh]

Kill everyone

[@pallyjaius]

If you're deep in the menus and want to get back to the game, hold circle or b and you won't have to press back multiple times

[@cr-nd8qh]

Nah game didn't tell me that it's garbage

[@maddoggnick96]

I like that in the beginning, in the lower thirds, Tim and Greg’s names are in all caps, but Jared’s is not. Jared is a special guy. ❤️

[@Metalpug79]

I like when someone is talking about their experiences in the game, regardless of it being a positive or negative take, how much Jared is enjoying it so much just listening to what happened in their game. Then you have Greg looking like he couldn’t be more bored... Talk about polar opposites...

[@gaffer400]

Just finished the game and I can tell you that the pay off for being the good guy is worth it for sure. I don't think it was a waste of effort on my part one bit. 20 hrs is no where near enough time to see the results. Best game I've played in years and years.

[@NavAK_86]

None of the guys in GTA5 are good people, they do terrible things for money. And isn't Miller a fan of GTA5?

[@sergiogarcia5593]

Naveed Akhtar Love GTA 5, but their characters are the worst morally and big time hypocrites lol

[@GastenX]

First time i played RDR2 was at release and it felt slow and took me a long time to finish. 3 years later i replayed it and it cemented it as the one of my best gaming experiences of all time. I was in a mental state of needing instant rewards the first time... but second time i was more relaxed, knew what to expect and played on PC.. PC controls helped a lot with unintentional gunfire.

[@diogoamaral7656]

Im enjoying my time with Red Dead Redemption 2 a lot, and I rspect and understand Gregs opinion. However, I think the point exactly not to have a black and white, good and evil story but rather exploring the grey area of being in a gang, that being a bad guy doesn't mean you cant do good I love that about the game.

[@Osminium]

Never seen Greg so angry about a game before.

[@BogeyZero]

Quick tip, you can access the map by holding the options button for a second. Instead of having to press it then press X. Still would prefer touchpad to access map though.

[@dc24004]

If you hold options on PS4 it will bring up the map. Cuts out the extra menus screen

[@JiP-Melee]

Guys, this games cast is not showing up on Apple podcasts. Thought I would let you know. Keep doing what you do!

[@alexmarinakis999]

Greg: “I’ve played two chapters so I’m well into it” ........... There’s 8 chapters.........

[@Ktorrz18]

The differing opinions on Red Dead is so interesting. Im really glad that we can all have our own type of games for us. Like I love red dead but im still playing Destiny 2. People hate Destiny 2 but i love it. Variety in games is good for everyone.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

The only major complaint I have with the game, so far (10 hours in), is it’s damn button layout for doing things. Some things need to be held other things you need X or Y. The shooting isn’t as bad as I thought, I find rather satisfying. Especially, using the Dead Eye system.

[@fishlikeyoio2198]

Imagine what a beautiful review would have been from Colin on this game.

[@jamesburton6405]

It's refreshing that you can be the bad guy it's such a nice change from being the hero it's a game so I can separate myself from Arthur. Life isn't all sunshine and smiles moaning because you have to be bad get a grip

[@Stayler17]

@steveXracer I always. Always play the good guy. But I'm having fun playing as Arthur. I try to do good things in the game but as I'm a gang. Bad shit once in a while happens. I hope to have redemtion by the end of it all.

[@ChrisHolker]

I’m loving this game so far. Can’t wait to see how it ends

[@TheeVande]

How dare you not put your qualms aside and automatically love a game that people love and were hyped for!!

[@mattcaridi]

exceptional analysis, Jared

[@ManikMiner155]

The map is tied to a button? Hold down Start...

[@macpac22]

Loved and hated this game in equal measure. Enjoyable despite the horrendously slow and unresponsive controls

[@SandyCheeks1896]

It seems to me the whole point of Arthurs choice to act as a good guy or bad guy in certain instances, despite frequently doing bad things, is that it allows you as the player to inform his internal motivation’s. Is Arthur being a bad guy because he just doesn’t care and is actually a bad guy? Or, does he have a sense of honor and a code, and is internally conflicted about being evil, but he does it when he has to to provide for his family (the gang) The choice the game provides is changing Arthurs internal motivation’s and conflict for me. Does he regret living a bad life and acting as an evil man? Or is that truly who he is under the surface?

[@myfilms999]

Man Arthur's character arc in this game is incredible. Probably one of if not the best arc in a game ever. That's why I completely disagree with Greg. Sure Arthur is a bad guy. But it's never too late to do a good thing. And that's Arthur's arc in the game. He knows he's gonna die. He knows he's done bad things in his life, but yet he can do the right thing

[@key495]

Hey thanks for letting me send a quick 60 sec review vid.

[@Ole_Gunner]

Woof sorry you didn't enjoy the game Greg. For me, the game is a masterpiece so far and I'm only on chapter 3. And you can play as a white hat Greg, Arthur can be a noble gang member.

[@MatthewNovak]

Wow, there are a bunch of people yelling at Greg for his OPINION. Red Dead is good, but I’m gonna finish Odyssey before I go all in.

[@jamesmckeephx]

yea i am like 15 hrs in and going to go back to Odyssey cuz i miss it after playing red dead

[@joecartwright5105]

I'm loving Red Dead. I do share a lot of Greg's criticisms, though. I also respect him for giving his honest and valid opinions of the game, even when everyone seems to invalidate and low-key say he's wrong.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Don't really get why Jared and Gregg keep calling Arthur a "mean and evil man". Jared said "evil" about 10 times here and you'd think as someone who has worked in journalism he'd know better than to use that word so liberally and in such a general fashion. I don't really think they understand the definition of either word. Arthur spends the majority of the game helping people and the only time he does bad things is when either the player chooses to do them or he is forced into a situation where his survival depends on doing bad things.

[@adamska4126]

BasketCase9483 yeah I have a problem with that also. The world itself is very violent and Arthur simply grew up in it very intimate with the darker side of what civilization (or lack of) represented in those times. Iv'e been shot at multiple times for blocking a carriage on the road. That's some messed up evil shit. Arthur is surely not a good man, but their stress on "evil" is a bit much.

[@p0rn0saur]

They have no grasp of nuance

[@dren5810]

@@adamska4126 I think Jared used evil a bit too much but I get what he meant. Arthur and the vanderlinde gang are slowly realizing they are not good people and the west is dying, becoming more lawful and civilized. The gang is basically running from their own extinction the entire game. They know they havent lead good lives and they will all pay greatly for it. Its tragic but life is like that at times.

[@adamska4126]

D Ren Oh yeah I totally get it too. In 2018 is easy to classify that type of behavior and lifestyle as "evil", but as you said, life was just like that back then. It's unfortunate though. For Greg. I feel like as the game goes on, you get so many opportunities as the player to be the "good guy" and actually feel like you're making a difference despite the outlaw shenanigans.

[@dren5810]

@@adamska4126 yeah I talked about this with someone on the whatsgoodgames podcast. Unfortunately games media people dont get the chance to enjoy this game the same way we do. They have to rush to be the first reviews out and with something like this, they either all end up saying the same things or being completely off the mark due to not sitting with the game long enough.

[@enriquetobiaspader]

I just finished rdr2 yesterday... loved it

[@CheefChaos]

Truly special

[@DavidLopanjr]

Greg has a right to his opinion. But this guy has known for years that in RDR 2 you were gonna be a member of an outlaw gang. Outlaws are bad Greg.

[@greendaytomd96]

Arthur goes through lots of intraspection as he slowly realises that he has been a horrible person, using Dutches grand plan as justification to himself. Once he has come to the relisation that Dutches plan is a fantasy, the story of his redemption begins and that is manifested in trying to get John and his family out... which makes the first game all the more tragic.

[@xRebelSpiritx]

I’m really appreciating Greg’s opinion here. I’m not sensitive to spoilers and have no attachment to RDR so I’ve been watching RDR2 twitch streams everyday since they released the game and I’ve found that the different streams I’ve watched feel exactly the same. I thought this game was going to be different and everyone was going to get a different experience but I don’t see that.

[@naytron210]

I love listening to Jared talk about games he cares about. If everyone were as thoughtful and passionate about what they do, this world would be a way more interesting and colorful place. Great vid.

[@MetaF1opman]

Has anyone been held up at there smaller/personal camp outside of town? Was approached by 2 dodgy looking fellers....who told me watch my back and left. Was a truly incredible unique experience!!!

[@askxperia]

It's the lighting that gets me everytime. The little things.

[@Flannymac]

I think Andy posed the best question; I wonder how people with family and kids approach playing this game in the necessary chunks (5hrs) and not just one or two hours here or there. I'm curious to hear from that community.

[@CheefChaos]

I took PTO and got wrapped up in it all weekend, a dad friend with 2 kids struggling with shit pay was watching me at the ST Denis theater and he was like "This is what video games are now? " He's a sour puss overall though and hasn't played a game post Mario 64 It took 10 years to make this game, and if some Don't want to appreciate every moment good luck to you, enjoy the next cookie cutter Vidya game

[@Flannymac]

@@CheefChaos Solid point. I am in the camp being an avid gamer while still a husband and father of 2. The demand for patience with the game isn't an issue for me but I have been searching for that one opinion that would speak into my hesitations for dropping $60 on it. However, it sounds like I would def get my money's worth and that it would be a great experience, something I believe is just as valuable as "having fun" with playing games.

[@carnationX2]

(no spoilers) I don't understand why people don't like how slow the game is when it has a lot to show to be rushed through, it's honestly not hard to like these characters especially Arthur. Personally i'm at a point where i never felt so sympathetic to arthur to what he's going through. It's a powerful moment and rockstar has nailed it with characters.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

Spoilers! (Not story related, but random things in the game that happened to me) My favorite part of the game is when I went hunting and got a legendary animal took it for money, then made a camp near by and got threaten by a gang as I was in camp mode, went to a more civilized area. Had Lobster Bisque. Accidentally punched somebody, got chased by cops and rounded up a $200 bounty. Got clear from the cops near a swamp. Thought, I saw a alligator and shot at it. Turns out it was one. Got back to the camp, not before seeing a horse kick a man to death, did some chores and had some coffee and sang along at the campfire. When to sleep and woke up and told Bill Williamson he is a lazy fuck.