Red Dragon | The FBI Find the Tooth Fairy's Note in Hannibal's Cell

[@VaeVictisXIII]

That line about giving Hannibal truth serum, and when asked where he dumped the body he replied with the recipe he made out of them lmao

[@Heretic1408]

In his defense he was telling the truth 😅

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Dump lmao

[@qsprimalaccuracy9709]

Harvey Keitel forgot to say: " So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Clean the fkg car."

[@brutustantheiii8477]

What a classic movie that was

[@DJGamingSmash]

Underrated film.

[@michaelingber1528]

So is Manhunter.

[@istvantoth7431]

Heavily underrated.

[@derekgleeson1353]

Everything ever posted on KZbin has been "underrated".

[@wet-read]

​@@michaelingber1528 This is trash, and the casting is almost entirely wrong. Manhunter is far better.

[@bradleybrown8399]

who rated it?

[@michaelstone7514]

This one was really good. Will matching wits with Lecter was great!

[@Backyardmech1]

Harvey Kietel acting like he’s the wolf again.

[@t99155]

Lmao

[@juliansandoval8022]

yes. he solves problems

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

Lovely bit of movie magic there, where he picks up the phone and instantly gets the person he wants. No time for them to even say hello either. The Wolf doesn't have time for pleasantries.

[@LoveHandle4890]

One of the most underrated film’s of all time that has stood the test of time and always will.

[@wet-read]

Are you serious? Manhunter came out long before this and is much better.

[@xebulba]

Nice

[@jtaco4101]

​@@wet-readyea this. Hopkins over acts in this really badly while brian cox is as good as Hopkins in lambs imo. I dislike William Peterson but I think he and Norton both did a good job.Ralph fiennes is ok but yea.

[@wet-read]

@@jtaco4101 I don't have a problem with Peterson. His acting in this film seems a bit wooden, I guess. It could be argued it works for the character anyway, since he is jaded and was cajoled into going back to work to solve the Tooth Fairy killer. His character and performance was much more dynamic in To Live and Die in L.A. Have you seen it?

[@dzanier]

True, but that can be said even more about its original, Manhunter, from 1986.

[@isaiahstinchcombe3462]

Never read the books until now and just started reading the red dragon after seeing the films and series. The writers of the movies and show did a surprisingly good job adapting Harris’s fiction.

[@kojcelkelesh]

This is genuinely good movie, every character is interesting and the story is great too, maybe it lives under the shadow of the original one, but still very good!

[@Jack_The_Ripper_Here]

to me is better than all of them.

[@RobertMorgan34]

The late William Lucking, a character actor among character actors, played Mr. Metcalf in this film. Years before, he guest-starred on two episodes of The Incredible Hulk, including one of the series' best, "Dark Side" from Season 4. 28 years after that episode aired, Edward Norton starred in the second (and best in my opinion) live-action Hulk movie.

[@purge2--u--nite342]

Definitely a good movie in the silence of the lambs franchise

[@JDB02]

I’d like to see one last Hannibal made just for the nostalgia tbh. Anthony Hopkins is one of the greatest actors in the world and I’d kill to see him play Hannibal Lector one last time.

[@harishdavinci8290]

You’d not even kill a fly

[@JDB02]

@@harishdavinci8290 Go play blindfolded in traffic you incel

[@Fuzzycatfur]

Anthony Hopkins has already said he would not portray Hannibal Lecter again since he was being seen as too much an anti-hero

[@joekenorer]

@@Fuzzycatfur The book version of Lecter is an anti-hero, the cinema version was specifically written for him to have a villainous character.

[@Shadowman820]

Hopkins is just too old now for the part .

[@michaelluisalbaladejo6319]

This is a great companion to SILENCE OF THE LAMBS

[@StevenCombs-dy1pt]

What a great cast.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

I’m surprised they actually thought that Lecter would buy that dumb deception but I guess they were in a helluva pinch 🤷‍♂️

[@Seven_Leaf]

About as subtle as a Northern or Englishman trying a Southern US accent.

[@MossB87]

As i've never read the books can anyone explain the characterization difference between Nortan's Graham and the actor who played him in the series? They seem like two completely different people yet they're apparently the same characters. Graham seems almost altruistic here contrasted to Graham in the series who seems to be completely shrouded in darkness

[@hidebehindstudios]

I have never watched the series, but I think two other adaptations can help to explain this difference a bit easier. The novel has Will as a weighted, almost insane character, having trauma from dealing with Lecter and other serial killers. He uses a technique of “entering” the killers mind by thinking like one, which ultimately takes a toll on his mental health, making him disgusted and shellshocked from using that as a device to capture them. But why would they have decided to change it in the movie adaptation of Red Dragon? Because there was a movie adaptation of the novel before the 2002 film. Manhunter (1986) was the first adaptation of the novel Red Dragon, and it portrayed Will exactly how the book describes him. I would highly recommend checking it out, it’s much better than *this* movie version of Red Dragon. That being said, the makers of the 2002 Red Dragon probably wanted to alter Will’s character so their take on the story wasn’t too close to Manhunter’s. The Hannibal series had the cushion of a lighter portrayal of Graham in between the series’ release and Manhunter’s; along with the series being in a drastically different style than either film. This, I suppose, allowed them to once again adopt a more serious and troubled version of the character.

[@-_Jayden_-]

Ive watched the series and its exactly as you just described. Will is literally covered in darkness and suffers from heavy ptsd and hallucinations after using his method to help with the cases. Additonally hannibal is manipulating him making him almost go insane. I rly recommend watching it, the series is excellent.

[@johansmallberries9874]

They should’ve altered the ad slightly before sending it to print. It would mess up the code and possibly cause dollarhyde to write back.

[@scorch4299]

gotta love how no one is wearing a hairnet while collecting hair samples from the note..... its prolly her hair haha

[@halleck3]

or Lecter's!

[@FreshlySnipes]

Lmao

[@luxuryballer8291]

The fake janitor only "cleaned" one spot that was wet, Hannibal would have noticed that.

[@ekathe85]

I always ask myself why they couldn't change the message into something that didn't make any sense, and hope Lecter and Dollarhyde would assume the Tattler made a print error

[@imcallingjapan2178]

Because Lecter would be smart enough to know it was too convenient for the error to be in his message, when the FBI were already looking for anything connected to the Tooth Fairy, and Dollarhyde was probably paranoid enough to assume the FBI sabotaged the message, even if he had no idea they were going to do it.

[@Dylan-zf4xh]

I don't know if it's a real thing, but it's insane that the most dangerous persons kept in a tight cell can still have the right to private mail

[@fickdich973]

Why shouldnt he have such rights? Just curious

[@tylerchambers6246]

It is a real thing, prisoners get and send mail. Even serial killers, famous ones. Give it a try and mail one of them, like BTK, he likes to respond. Why shouldn't they have mail?

[@buddyfriendpalio]

​@@fickdich973yeah i wonder 🤔 almost like you could mail him smoething dangerous 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@fickdich973]

@@buddyfriendpalio what would be so dangerous I could mail him?

[@reveriesduh]

@@buddyfriendpalio You say this as if the guards don't rigorously check what is inside the letters before they're being handed to prisoners lol. Inmates don't enjoy that kind of privacy.

[@cherylbradley5356]

Have to say that of all of these movies, Hannible Rising, is still my favorite. It showed me why Hannible became what he was. Awesome Movie.

[@Fuzzycatfur]

I'd like to see a re-release of this on Blu-ray at least, if not 4K. I'd like to own it physically.

[@feltclover2998]

Kino is preparing a 4K

[@Fuzzycatfur]

@@feltclover2998 Excellent.

[@ProjectV6]

Lol I have owned it on Blu Ray since 2016, not sure if it's on 4k yet

[@Fuzzycatfur]

@@ProjectV6 it is on 4k now iirc

[@DodderingOldMan]

I really liked this scene in the book. It really made police procedural work seem exciting. Plus it was all well conceived and plausible.

[@taitsmith8521]

Nothing about this is plausible. Not one thing. It's only interesting if you're completely ignorant of the prison industry. Hollywood nonsense.

[@pinkpugginz]

I enjoyed this part in the book too. I enjoyed all 4 of the novels but Hannibal the most. glad everyone got a happy ending

[@karanvirkooner1993]

I prefer Manhunter(1986) over Red Dragon

[@Rinesmyth]

I just watched that today, it has it perks with the investigation scenes but it's really lacking in the Red Dragon's presence

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@Rinesmyth IMO, Brian Cox played Lecter a lot more subtly, and he is 100X scarier.

[@Baddaby]

7:42 loved to read the other articles The sole amount of Psychics charging 5 bucks to change your life 😂

[@keturaequalizer]

I don`t understand why they would give him access to anything. The books, newspapers, etc. He shouldn`t even be allowed to see or talk to a soul. They should have put him in a dungeon somewhere. Sometimes, I understand the midieval times. 🤷🏽‍♂

[@joshblanchard3719]

They did put him in a dungeon

[@EveKane-p3w]

Lecter says in this movie that any sane society would either have him killed or put him to some sort of use. I'm inclined to agree in his case.

[@bustapunk101]

Oh shit it’s Mr white

[@ElEspectroDeLaMi]

Between Sneakers and Red Dragon, I learned more about cryptography and one-way blind codes thanks to Scrabble and "a recipe for dip" Ottendorf ciphers in filmed fiction.

[@skueazzy3917]

Welp, he is back...

[@Kabitu1]

The fact that they had to "let it run" even though they haven't cracked the code yet is not thought through. Why couldn't they delay the publication of that one personal one more day? It's not like it would tip off the Dragon if Lecter didn't answer him on the very day he expected. Lecters letter to the Tattler could have been stuck in sorting, or any sort of delay in personal adds could have happened.

[@achronos999able]

Lecter would know they stopped the publication and they would lose the connection. We know how it played out in the movie but there is real life basis of this, when the police published the Zodiac's coded message without knowing what it said

[@Kabitu1]

@@achronos999able They have no interest in letting Lecter send a second message, if they wait one more day and crack the code 1. they now have complete control of the conversation, and can pretend to be Lecter for any number of messages, and 2. even a single faked message would almost certainly be enough to catch the dragon. "Hey pilgrim, could you go kill my old enemy Mike Hunt?" at an address where the police are waiting for him.

[@patchbunny]

The Tattler was not a paper interested in cooperating with authorities - it's a scandal rag.

[@suleymanbabak1973]

Because they didn't imagine how dangerous that information was, and thought they could decipher it in the meantime and lure Dolarhyde out.

[@skueazzy3917]

He is litteraly me....

[@ryanbesco8067]

Making agents like this experts on the verses of the Bible gives them a nice edge. The problem is that we openly acknowledge that religion is and always has been enough of a reason for crazy people to do terrible things. I find it strange that we welcome other cultures and religions into western society and pretend they aren’t capable of the exact same outcome.

[@yassletough388]

Nice one🔥 #GreatTouch full support ✌

[@a.d.clarke4990]

3:27 This is before he was transferred to the Jigsaw case with Tapp. 😂😂😂

[@ElijahLiles-v6b]

He shouldn’t have toiled the mechanic to complain about the power cause if hannible has been there for how ever many years he would know something is off and just buy there reaction to doing something he would be able to feel the difference

[@1944baggins]

I never saw what was so suspicious about gloves in the pocket of someone cleaning

[@farmalmta]

The gloves in the pocket were surgical quality, very thin to permit touch sensation. Cleaning gloves are for use with harsh chemicals so are much thicker and a different and colored material.

[@jeffanon1772]

​@@farmalmtaexactly.. medical style gloves would be a definite red flag for Dr. Lector

[@bubsmp]

😂 FBIs never been this smart.

[@anthonycampos8057]

Is that Piney from Sons of Anarchy?

[@skueazzy3917]

Welcome to Fight Cl.....

[@bruhmaster6950]

SHHHH!!! First rule, remember?

[@andrewgardner8972]

This movie you can tell had actors who worked with Brett Ratner before like the guy who played Bowman was in rush hour and the family man. And one of the guards who’s one of the French guys in money talks and rush hour 3.

[@DonaldMeyers-v8c]

Rush hour! Damn that's the movie I remember him in too. Thank you!

[@kembageorge5272]

Best prequel of all time

[@wet-read]

Manhunter preceded this, and neither version is a prequel. The Silence of the Lambs is just the movie that put these stories and characters on the map.

[@mikespearwood3914]

Better Call Saul?

[@seeyousoon971]

✔️ done

[@gc99289]

LOL @ serial killer getting mail in maximum jail and staff needing warrant to access incoming mail. Only in a movie

[@skueazzy3917]

He got his job in the office back I guess...

[@BreckThePanther]

Why not just take a picture of it.

[@aorinz]

The late great Hannibal Lector! "Quote"

[@doolygleason2210]

This is going to sound cynical, but the biggest fantasy is how much work would be done by detectives to catch a killer 😅

[@scottmatheson3346]

in fairness they do spend inordinate efforts on celebrity cases like celebrity serial killers.

[@Baddaby]

​@@scottmatheson3346 what celebrity serial killer? lmao

[@jacobyaya4042]

what a terrible detail... "gave them a recipe for dip", Hannibal would never be so vague, and so crude....?

[@Letnothinggotowaste]

I would have said, "i'll do it, but you owe me one"..

[@vanessapanek9959]

His name is Charles Lindberg Junior

[@dietdrpepper15]

Don’t personals cost money? Who is paying for that? Hannibal don’t got cash or a checkbook. I understand he can write a letter, but money exchanged?

[@yafka]

I always thought Lector was privately wealthy and through his lawyer he could do it.

[@dietdrpepper15]

@@yafka Seems like a crime to put in a recommendation to murder and fbi agent in a paper for a client.

[@Baddaby]

​@@dietdrpepper15 not if you have no idea of what's written And besides, he's rich and has the right to write, all throughout the movies he gets little advantages over helping with the cases

[@dietdrpepper15]

@@Baddaby but how would he access that money? I get getting money for the commissary in jail but not sure if he'd have a checking account to mail a check to the papers for.

[@Baddaby]

@@dietdrpepper15 why wouldn't he have an account and money after being arrested?

[@HSimon1981]

when they get the paper with this note and codes Lloyd Bowman is in the library and he successfully solves the code of Lecter giving the Tooth Fairy Will Graham's address in Florida and telling him to save himself and kill them all

[@yobabyyobabyyo]

Slap heard around the piano world...

[@Otis151]

But a janitor might have gloves like that, right?

[@OneFingerYT]

I saw the original in 1986, and seeing people regurgitating the same dialogue but in a different manner is awkward.

[@MyIneffablePonyyy]

STOPPPP THE MASK MY BAJINYA EXPLODED 😭😩😩💪

[@mitchconner403]

I love how they treat Lector as a paranormal entity 😂he is just psycho. Nothing more nothing less

[@gilbertciriaco8228]

They show this at the same time with The Ring. The ring win.

[@blackironkatana]

I wonder how much better this film would be if it wasn’t directed by Brett fucking Ratner.

[@811j_7]

i really like this movie but seeing his ratner attached to this makes me mad

[@kbhalacy]

Manhunter and this both had its moments

[@msariah]

I've always thought Arron Stamper as a Fed was 😂 seriously against Lechtor....still it was decent until The Freddie scene his nail bed suggested torture...of say being homeless.

[@markchappell4148]

Forget the rest. Dragon is the heart of Lucifer. All Red Heart Meat.

[@jimhewitt8042]

This is a great movie. But its a remake hit by hit of M man's movie manhuter with william peirson from the 80s. And dare I say the original is better. When I say hit by hit I mean it's a word for word remake.

[@NR-rv8rz]

How did the Tooth Fairy get the toilet roll into Hannibal's cell?

[@hint0122]

It wasn't in a toilet paper roll, it was in his mail

[@NR-rv8rz]

@@hint0122 No, there is a scene of them unspooling the toilet paper to read the notes.

[@hint0122]

@@NR-rv8rz that's where he hid it after he got it in the mail.

[@NR-rv8rz]

@@hint0122 But they would search is mail so how did bog roll sheets get past them?

[@hint0122]

@NR-rv8rz at 1:12, they say they can't open the mail without a warrant, x ray only.

[@vanessapanek9959]

Craigslist

[@zbubs7784i]

As a gang stalking victim I can say that they open anyones mail

[@Reggieeeeeeee322]

Being a gang stalking victim gives you credibility on correctional facilities? What does one have to do with the other???

[@innocentorphan1213]

Pretty standard for cleaning crew to use rubber gloves though, not sure why that's a big tell for Lecter.

[@hint0122]

Not that type. Plus, why would you put used gloves in your pocket?

[@innocentorphan1213]

@@hint0122 Unused ones you brought for later use, trash can not nearby when you used them. Plenty reasons.

[@EveKane-p3w]

it was a combination or culmination of the wait, the overacting by the super, the gloves - plus there's likely other things only he noticed that clued him on. He is incredibly perceptive and intelligent

[@Baddaby]

Except the part where that's not rubber lmao Those are medical nitrile gloves

[@dirtyrandy2592]

Why would he bite the toilet paper?

[@WittyOriginalUsername]

Like a signature I guess

[@dirtyrandy2592]

@@WittyOriginalUsername that makes sense. So Lecter knew it was coming from the real killer.

[@a.d.clarke4990]

Good answers here. I was just going to write because he’s a big weirdo. It makes sense as a signature.

[@andrewgardner8972]

It’s hard to say which is better. Manhunter 1986 or red dragon 2002? Manhunter 1986 gets my vote on how good Billy Petersen was cast as Will graham, Brian cox as Hannibal lecktor, the late Dennis farina as Jack Crawford and Michael mann’s writing and directing and had a great happy ending which didn’t involve the killer appearing at the end terrorizing Will and his family. Red dragon on the other hand was more based on the book and felt like silence of the lambs in a way as well as a prequel. And it connected at least. Edward Norton was good as graham and Anthony Hopkins was always good as Hannibal Lecter, Harvey Keitel was good as Jack Crawford, and Brett Ratner did a good job directing closer to Jonathan demme did with silence of the lambs. But we all know Ratner was good at the rush hour movies and money talks with Chris Tucker.

[@drewyStyla]

Edward Norton was badly miscast as Will Graham. William Petersen was great in Manhunter. I feel all the principle actors in Manhunter were better screen presences, especially Dennis Farina, Brian Cox and Tom Noonan, who was far more chilling than Ralph Fiennes, as Francis Dollarhyde. Joan Allen and Stephen Lang also stood out in their roles. Manhunter is a superior movie. Red Dragon may have been more faithful to the book but Manhunter has more depth and cinematic style.

[@AmiUnhinged]

I've been watching old Pathe movie reels, I found some about Evipan (hexo barbital) in 1936. By the tapes from the 1950's the Americans were warning people away from it, they said it was very addictive, I reckon a) it was the nazis and b) they were testing the drug on criminals. They said the anaesthetic effect only lasted 8 minutes . I don't think that's long enough for most hand surgeries, but I did one once in a video game in four minutes. Anyway it's got a reputation for hypnotic effect it might have been much more popular on the Eastern Bloc than Europe (everyone in the tapes was white). So the set has this little saw about the size of a finger bone to hack through the bottle neck. Looks like the army. And that big Identity V syringe. Oh my Jesus. Get that monster bumble bee away from me. Did you ever watch Hellraiser by Clive Barker? The second movie had a hypodermic attack. Most of the movies are set between various levels of hell. I knew the rubik's cube was out to get me. I got a gold asymmetric one from my ma for christmas once, it infuriated me so much I popped the joints with a pair of tweezers and reassembled it. (Epi centre VNV nation)

[@AmiUnhinged]

I foud a Republican army hospital in Khazakstan. I think. Maybe Tajistan. I thought it was in Austria . I was like "what's a nice hospital like you doing with a name like that?" I bet Jihad couldn't wait to zap everyone in the head with mind control chips. You could pretend it was a lobotomy. I saw some seriously sp*ck-handed lobotomies attributed to Danvers early on...not very sly stitches. You reckon the Early Taliban were better surgeons? I dread to think everyone is hanging out in the club looking like Madame Dimitriscru was their surgeon. Can you image the hippies in the park on the Bloc back in the day? 1960's flower power zombies? "What's your name?" "....urughghahahaaaa" "I mean...Pieter." he was guarding the pearly gates huh? Later that day "me, go out with you? You ust be jioking! That's some jiant favour, there mister!?" That was this open mental hospital yah? The patients were totally feeling bad yah. Not even hitchhiking on the highway down past the graveyard yah?

[@AmiUnhinged]

Nah it was a ji-ocre. The Taliban were wearing it, when everyone else was wearing white. "So tan right now!?" Love thaaaat

[@AmiUnhinged]

Oh..the metal shoes!? "Dubov!?...out!!" Nah, probably not loving the weight but basically zombie proof

[@nina-maeforde3269]

The fake repair man overacted

[@markchappell4148]

Let the rest go, please. Just take the drsgon, please.

[@ACShotRun]

Brett Ratner directed this, but how?

[@811j_7]

good movie but should’ve been a different director

[@TheBillhs]

i love will but you gotta admit he's a bit of a mary sue :l he's better than the best in terms of what he does,everyone likes him(unlike clarice) and he even beat the breaks off of hannibal

[@kumandon]

Первий лайк🤝

[@justtango4741]

Why did the janitor have an over the top british accent?

[@mikespearwood3914]

Yeah, that was weird!

[@NunYa953]

The lab guy is always Asian. 🤣

[@CraigHalliday-h2g]

Hannibal Lecter was evil but very clever too

[@urban1413]

I always wondered what that Asian guy did before he got locked up with Junior Soprano.

[@justinklenk]

Harvey Keitel was so bad in this movie, it almost ruined every scene he was in. Phoned in every single line in the most rote performance I've ever seen him under deliver. Sad.

[@wet-read]

He was miscast. I think most of the people in it were miscast, too, and that it just isn't as good as Manhunter.

[@justinklenk]

@@wet-read Agreed!

[@michaeljirava8404]

@@wet-readim thinking the same, miscast. i love edward norton's work but i just cant bear his acting in this movie, his lines delivery and body language doesnt work at all. however, phillip seymour hoffman was good in this movie, as well as the detective-colleague of norton

[@derekgleeson1353]

I dont know if its the script, or Keitel, but he was impossibly terrible in this.

[@farmalmta]

LOL, you're right: intense and urgent "Let's go, people!" followed by mad scrambling and dashing around despite needing to wait for the communication to arrive in the envelope. They could have just as well been twiddling their thumbs or sailing paper airplanes until it arrived. "Run over there! Scurry! Make haste! Go hither! Go thither! Proceed expeditiously yon!" Gimme a break. These are fncking government employees we're talking about. They haven't rushed anything other than out the door at 5pm. Which is the oldest joke in the world... Q: What's both the slowest and fastest thing in existence? A: A government employee arriving at work and the same one leaving work.

[@markcox3024]

This film is almost a comedy.

[@TheDreamingGod-tz4dq]

Manhunter was so much better than the remake

[@commanderkeen3787]

This film is superior to Silence of the Lambs. Directorially it is more simplistic, but Edward Norton is a far more compelling lead than Jodie Foster

[@jamegumm]

😂

[@snuffcarl]

Love Norton.....but better overall film ? Absolutely not. Not even close.

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

Manhunter is so, so, sooo much more artistic and beautiful. So much director voice in it.

[@Cor6196]

I’ve seen hundreds of films in my lifetime and have forgotten almost all of them, but the direction, the soundtrack, the cinematography, the acting in Manhunter have never completely left my head. Spooky in every way. Required viewing! 🎬📽️❤

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

@@Cor6196 I am so ONE with your words language is not capable to explain. I am going to rewatch it today again. It is glorious.

[@EA_Boniface]

Redhead 💯

[@Jo-yp8wy]

Book was 100% better. As usual.

[@patchbunny]

Manhunter did this so much better

[@So-Be-It_890]

The FBI find the note.

[@lokitakahashi3042]

there was a third one? ok. i need to find this.

[@barrymaslow8441]

This is such Hollywood jank...lol

[@strafileluigi747]

Norton in quella parte non lo vedo proprio, ha rovinato un buon film

[@joshblanchard3719]

I like man hunter better

[@Jack_The_Ripper_Here]

Best movie of all Hannibal movies.

[@rachaelmiles8233]

Bible

[@edwardhannah8507]

7:00 "the library!" Kids today: What's a library?

[@icecreamcat5329]

The late great Hannibal lecter. - Trump

[@ciatangallaghe2485]

Manhunter is better

[@coomr419]

Not gon a lie the guy seems like a good guy but they needed to have a different actor to be the investigator. The acting is so luke warm😂

[@davidmacnab5213]

Manhunter is SO much better!