RED V-Raptor vs BMCC6K FF

[@lionelisy-schwart116]

BMCC 6K FF is stunning !

[@daniel_gall]

it is looking good I agree

[@andymanson]

That's really interesting. Looking for the first time I was slightly more impressed by the image coming out of Cam A and was convinced that was the RED footage. It's just as good when looking at it second time around. Quite incredible when you think about what's going on here...

[@daniel_gall]

Incredible product by blackmagic. Once they come out with the pro version with the ND I am ready to purchase it as my everyday camera

[@AlexLopez-iy4by]

Thank you for this great demo. Footage looks great on both cameras.

[@daniel_gall]

I agree. it looks great on both. raptor has more frame rates but the footage, colors and the dynamic range on bmcc6k is amazing

[@qvisionmedia7195]

The simple fact that this is not Blackmagic flagship camera is crazy. Blackmagic is a sleeping giant! $2,500 vs 25k

[@daniel_gall]

yes, this camera is amazing. And I say that as a Red Raptor owner 😎

[@georgewoolf6300]

We are spoiled with our camera options today.

[@jonathanhilliard971]

I actually guessed correctly. Only because; I look at motion cadence when comparing cameras. It hard to see, but RED has a frame pacing that looks like film. Other Senors, when objects move in frame, the have a digital stuttering. It tough to see if you don't look for it. Also HIgh-light roll-off and contrast profiles on the RED are more pleasing. So if i was going to buy one it would be the BMCC 6k.

[@daniel_gall]

the pocket version with the NDs is something I also do consider. i will be making a new comparison and I will test the motion as well

[@HiddenOaksMedia]

I guessed wrong lol. Nicely done

[@daniel_gall]

☺️👍🏻 yes the IQ is close.. Thank you

[@thiagolimadop]

Me too. And I own a Bmcc6k

[@bbrunorocha]

@@thiagolimadop same here ! but image is too close, a couple shots i preferer B, but others, i prefer A. Image is so close, you match in post pretty easily, both can be used together for sure !

[@orcanimal]

It's crazy. The Raptor is 10X the price of the BMCC6K, yet the Blackmagic's image is (imo) better and cleaner. Wild

[@dimaekimov982]

At the beginning, I was in love with Cam A, but since the exterior shots, I preferred Cam B (both look just damn great). However, that slight tint in skin tone and blacks to green of BM just didn't catch me! I mean, it's still a great image, and maybe something you could fix with color correction, but all the exterior shots in red were just so pleasant to the eye and so natural in terms of their shift towards the warm gamma in blacks and skin tones.

[@MrJayclas]

Green can be fixed with slight tint or WB tweaks. My Cinema 6k lens more towards magenta.

[@adriancluskey3640]

Awesome video, it amazed me how much her face changes shape and how the depth of field is different.

[@gabrielepampanelli815]

Blackmagic is incredible

[@daniel_gall]

I agree, I will def be getting one

[@gabrielepampanelli815]

@@daniel_gall me too. I have 2 pocket 4k and 6k g2, the next one will be the full frame. The rapport between pice and image quality is unbeatable. Of course v raptor is a superior camera

[@daniel_gall]

@@gabrielepampanelli815 i love my raptor, but sometimes the smaller form factor is the 🔑 especially when the IQ is so close. And the price point is amazing. I will just wait until they come out with the Pro version with ND built in.

[@deltaboy2011]

@@daniel_gall The Blackmagic will intro a pro version of this?

[@jonathanwest530]

Objectively... both look stunning. I was unable to make a difinitive guess. Take into acct BM Raw vs Red color science and the subtle differences could be attributed to color management and grading. Shooting LUTS or ? Nice job. I've owned the BMPCC 6K since its beginning & I just purchased the BMCC 6K for some indie work. My 40+ career has been shooting for studios in L.A. with top equip. I'm amazed at the quality and affordability of great gear over the last few years.

[@jocblues]

Sony venice or Red raptor, which one do you recommend based on your experience?

[@CrossCory]

Red sharper… colors and highlights/shadows were different…. But the difference wasn’t easy to tell.. I bet low light, hard lighting on a bright sunny day, and moire would be easy to tell the clear difference between cameras.

[@AllThingsKen]

nah

[@volaksin5842]

Awesome test! Thanks for sharing this. Also, LOOOOVE Warsaw. Was just there the past two months.

[@daniel_gall]

Warsaw is beautiful. Stayed at the hotel called Puro. Cant recommend it enough. Thank you for watching

[@volaksin5842]

@@daniel_gall Nice! i usually do Airbnb but will check it out. Thanks for the rec!

[@JamesAllred-Parasauce]

I guessed correctly. The difference in dynamic range was the giveaway. Color was beautiful on both.

[@daniel_gall]

If Blackmagic gives it the NDs and the EF mount back I will def getting one

[@daniel_gall]

@arunr4103 can you explain why the EF mount is bad and the L mount is the future? and why big VNds are better than build in NDs ?

[@daniel_gall]

@arunr4103 very interesting. I did not know that

[@billyoung9538]

I'm going to call this nonsense out. While there were grading differences, the V-Rraptor leaned magenta and the BMCC 6k leaned green, and the V-Raptor had a darker black point, which technically would have lowered it's DR output potential BTW, in which shot was there anything with enough actual dynamic range to exceed the capabilities of either camera?

[@akpevbe]

Which shot in particular did you notice dynamic range difference?

[@joellouisfire]

The thing I've always found with the 6K FF is that for some reason the mid-range and shadows looks milky. Still the image is nice. Not my favorite BMD sensor though.

[@Anthony_Jr]

I really feel like the last frame says the most with color reproduction (the sky, the building, the window reflections). Having owned both, I always had issues trying to match them in post because the Blackmagic always felt like it shifted some vivid deeper colors towards being desaturated or couldn't reproduce them at all. If I remember correctly it was vivid reds and deep blues. I know Gen 5 color science was meant to fix a good bit of it, but curious to see a different comparison where the overall tone of the image is not as muted. I was surprised by a lot of the comparisons, but noticed the RED is a bit sharper overall in resolving the image, with a touch less green. (Although all sensors vary in tint a slight degree one way or another.)

[@daniel_gall]

I agree. The last shot was very interesting in terms of colors. I will be doing another test in better weather conditions

[@davidvchrn520]

With DVR 19 and the new color slice tool, you can now add density to those colors that felt muted before, truly amazing what blackmagic is doing recently between new cameras and new software

[@reinaproductions]

I was sure until the last shot and I love Blackmagic cameras.

[@daniel_gall]

Yes the difference in the last shot is pretty big. In this shot I like red a lot more. should do another test in sunny conditions

[@slipoch6635]

footage looks good on both, the raptor should have a sharper image but it almost looked like the bm had more detail, particularly looking through the curtains.

[@cogmission1]

Not at all. The BM looked "hazier", not as rich. Less contrasty and definitely less detailed.

[@daniel_gall]

Red looked better imo

[@slipoch6635]

Look through the curtains at the stonework, then zoom in. You can literally see detail on the stonework in the BM footage that is not visible on the Red footage. And that is after YT compression. But in other respects they are very close together. I like the look of red footage the skin tones seem a little more on point in most shots except a couple. The point I was making is the RED is an 8k sensor, vs a 6k sensor the edge fidelity and detail clarity should be a LOT higher as you have approximately double the number of pixels for image capture. Yet there are details on the stonework that are considerably less defined in the RED images. The edges looked slightly mushier on the red (might be backplane sensor distance, some in-built smoothing to remove the digital look or an OLPF doing this too, not just sensor output).

[@matteimages8154]

tiny bit of contrast to BMCC6K, and a bit of magenta added to match white balance and these would be almost indentical, maybe a touch of sharpening.

[@JonasStuart]

With almost all new cameras these days, the biggest difference is usability and ergonomic. The better image is almost always going to go to the camera with better glass and better lighting. For this reason is very hard to justify anything other than BMD.

[@daniel_gall]

if not for the bad battery and the L mount without the Nd filters, i wont ever choose the BMCC over Canon/Red/ Sony. But image quality for the money is nice for sure.

[@Fedorevsky]

Yeah unless you really need the higher framerates off course. I have the BMCCFF.

[@JonasStuart]

@@Fedorevsky But then surely you get the UMP12K. I've got the P4K and still love the image 3.5 years after getting it. Upgrading my lenses about 2 years ago breath a load of new life into the camera...

[@Fedorevsky]

@@JonasStuart Yeah, I agree much better value for money to get the 12K than the Raptor.

[@stcross001]

Honestly surprised. I thought throughout that the A Cam had a more “cinematic” and realistic image, while the B cam had a more commercial/beauty feel. So I was expecting the RED to be the A cam.

[@m.i.andersen8167]

Thanks so much!

[@Shauny_D]

thank you for the blindness of this test Every shot when it switched to full screen B from the A shot i thought "mmm I preferred A" but then every side by side i preferred B. Not sure why

[@OsirisDiamonds]

Cam B was better. The highlight roll off was a dead giveaway. Plus the dynamic range on the window. That said holy cow how close.

[@RubenStuveling]

Awesome comparison! Thank you for making this. It looks like you used a higher shutterspeed on the BMCC compared to the RED (outside shots), correct?

[@michialharris1850]

No, the red just has better motion Candice. That’s why it looks that way.

[@JedCamara]

Great test. For me the Raptor was maybe 5% better. I'd love to see the test in more harsh lighting though, that would probably increase the differences. Impressive what the Blackmagic can do for the price, yet some people still complain!

[@MrJayclas]

The Pocket 6k is everything but it looks like is suffer from a little barrel distortion or is a little off with the lens correction. Her face seem a little wider on certain shots.

[@daniel_gall]

good eye. Hmm.. I did not think about it before.

[@empGaming_Music_Movies]

@@daniel_gall 35mm try 45mm and pb disap

[@AlexLord-j2n]

I recently got a Blackmagic 6K full-frame camera, and I'm looking for some advice on choosing a lens for shooting cinematic films. My goal is to find a lens that offers high-quality performance, especially for versatile shots, but I'm also mindful of my budget. Thank you so much for your help! .

[@relaxwithme3266]

I prefer the look of cam A to be honest. Shocking what cameras have come to these days.

[@ShamarMarcus]

wait this is crazy that A is the BM i was convinced it was Raptor and i own a BM!

[@AlexDerrick_DP]

something about RED just looks richer.... you get what you pay for.

[@chrisjenkins9978]

It would make more sense if you used the same lens on each camera and CC for neutral grey. Either way, both cameras have great image quality and would do a fine job in any feature film.

[@daniel_gall]

I have used the same lens***

[@Fedorevsky]

Great job!

[@faceicu]

Thanks. What's the shutter angle, are they set different on each camera ?

[@JalaGames]

over all I'd say the Red colour has more under tones, but that's likely due to the higher bit depth. BMCC has a far more filmic look with reduced contrast but a harsher shadow fall off, likely due to the less dynamic range. For the price and size the BMCC is amazing especially since you can make it a global shutter camera in post. Red just captures more and requires more care to the make-up or de-gloss, as for the BMCC it kind of smooths out the skin tones and reduces its complexity and tonality. Despite their out of camera look of course with the amount of information you get you'd be able to adjust the necessary parameters to make the image as appealing as you'd like.

[@Mike-vr7mb]

The fact that it is hard to tell...now go and check the prices for both!!!! BlackMagic is on a different league in terms of value.

[@marinrealestatephotography]

Well... I guessed wrong :( Although it probably doesn't matter because I want BOTH those cameras.

[@AECunningham]

The difference is in the skin tones, I notice CAM B had more color range with skin! The CAM A felt muddy and a lack of color in the shadows. Also the last clip the CAM B handled the highlights much better! I guessed right, Red for the win!! Yay!

[@AllThingsKen]

u are lying to yourself to cope

[@saenamix]

wow I was convinced Cam A could NOT be BMCC

[@mbbvisualdesignstudio9745]

For 2500 is great. I have it, used it a few times and i thought it looks a bit to sharp compared to bmpcc 4k, but maybe it s my lens. What soft, vintage lens can i find for L moint?

[@HiHeat]

helios 44-2 m42 mount, need m42 to L adapetr

[@theronblog]

great test! where did you set the iso on that first shot?

[@daniel_gall]

Iso 400 on BMCC and Iso 800 on the Raptor

[@8KHDRVideoBySittipong]

Very nice

[@dathofilms]

Am I crazy that I liked Blackmagic better? 😮

[@daniel_gall]

It looks so good. Although I still prefer REDs image on 90% of the shots

[@AugustusSargbeh]

Bmpcc looks like a music video image.. V-Raptor looks like a mid-budget movie image… V-Raptor has an obviously better image but can’t touch something like the Arri 65 that has a real big-budget movie image. Hopefully Red makes something small but with an image that can compete with the Arri 65. They’re kicking bmpcc’s butt in this comparison.

[@simonc4764]

IQ are about the same. Raptor being very slightly sharper maybe due to 8k but that is mute depending on what you actually want.

[@Fedorevsky]

Maybe also because of the OLPF filter on the Black Magic.

[@younghils]

no way, all along i was 1000% sure CAM A was red!!! nahh im so confused

[@MichaelWeizenfeld]

What image piplene was used?

[@empGaming_Music_Movies]

that's weird, Red V-raptor is superior but Black magic at some shot looks not far but the light, color.. are more real more contrasted on Red. And i don't know why but each time you record with black magic it seem to be zoomed vs red. Just for this zoom glitch i prefer Red V-raptor but in real same sensor size no? mean quasi-same image distorsion

[@orangeinkstudios4474]

If you see a green cast- then it is a RED camera.

[@SuperNintendoChalmers333]

Why is the Raptor usually punched-in compared to the BMCC even though it has a wider field of view? Did you do that just to trick us?

[@daniel_gall]

My fault, i did not plan to trick anyone 🥲😄

[@AllThingsKen]

does it have a wider field of view though?

[@SuperNintendoChalmers333]

@@AllThingsKen The Raptor sensor is 41mm wide, the BMCC 6K FF is only 36 wide.

[@TimucinLeflef]

Cam A has more detail, i.m.o.

[@daniel_gall]

I think the differences are small

[@fabipuello]

The whole time I thought Cam B had nicer colors, Cam A was not but at all though.

[@daniel_gall]

Myself I liked the Bcam more, but I must say for the money you pay the cam A (bmcc6k ff) is not that bad

[@Bobsmithabc]

Blind test, I liked A better

[@michialharris1850]

Time to get rid of my 4k

[@ArcticPathway]

If you know what you are looking for, you would have already said Camera B. After the first scene I already knew which cameras I wanted. Camera A looked good too, but was way behind camera B, the more you watch it, the more you say B.

[@Fatbaldagent]

Black magic is better 💯%

[@leebrandt33]

It's unfortunate that you picked a cloudy day to conduct this test. As shot, this will give fanboys from both camps excuses to spew their indoctrination

[@daniel_gall]

I agree that a sunny day would be so much better. I was in Worsaw only for one day. I will try shoot snother test soon in better weather conditions

[@nidza3577]

Immediately, you can see that the FF is wider. More importantly, the blacks on the BMCC are muddy, and the richer colors are on the Red. It is almost impossible to pull the same black levels with enough dynamic range to even compete with the Red. Also, these differences would be more noticeable in more challenging scenarios or in post-production. Anyway, for the money, the BMCC 6K is solid!

[@MrJayclas]

False, completely false

[@tristandu1776]

Guessed it right. BMPCC foortage looks a bit less sharp and more organic.

[@tristandu1776]

Fantastic job! Great looking footage and well made comparison!

[@daniel_gall]

@@tristandu1776 Thank you! I own the raptor but i must say I like bmcc also. Especially for how compact it is and this beautiful screen on the back 😍

[@Fedorevsky]

Yeah the OLPF filter on the Black Magic is really nice.

[@thejackoss]

It's simple: CAM A has a green shift. CAM B has a magenta shift.

[@ktcool4660]

That was easy. Black magic camera's still has that horrible green tint.

[@Wolf-rb4um]

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