BMCC6K FF v.s ALEXA MINI LF - How Do They Compare??

[@JustinRussell]

Having come up from the DVX-100b/HVX200 with redrock adapters - to the canon 5D and 7D - to this point is crazy. We are literally testing cameras with 70k+ price difference with subtle variations between the two. We can nitpick and obviously say the Alexa looks marginally better, but at the end of the day 99% of the audience isn't even going to see it. Great comparison in a real lit environment, not just outside. Well done BM.

[@sbrownproductions]

I remember the redrock micro adapters! What a crazy time!

[@nigel_the_director]

all facts .... Basically ALL cameras these days are fantastic ... ALLLL ... the difference now is how durable they are or codec etc. we are at a great great time.

[@sitebstudios]

Well said! I love BM. We’ve come a long way!

[@dallasbagley]

Haha, for me it was the Canon XL2, which I believe was one of the first prosumer cams to shoot 24p. Then it was on to the 7D's and 5D's.

[@dallasbagley]

@@sbrownproductions I still use some of these old redrock adapters as we speak.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

The BMCC6K seems to hold up pretty well. I worked with the BMPCC4K and really loved using BRAW. I'm still looking around as far as what camera I want to upgrade to. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@MtZionMediaPro]

Pyxis!

[@adriancrespo4274]

I will say for everyone hoping black magic will make a box camera, just try the BS1H out, you can get it used for like 2K & it has pretty much all the IO you could ask for, I built mine out to a full production camera & it’s almost perfect for me :)

[@MrJayclas]

Why did you add “Pro” to the 6k video clips? But I’m so happy with my $1600 spend for the Cinema 6k

[@onlinetraderucom]

Thank you. I used to like these cameras. I would like to note one point. In certain circumstances, the quality of the video will not make any difference, the ability to obtain information in the shadows, and so on. Once you call in a professional shift, and if your camera can't instantly sync timecode, then you're ready to sink into the ground in shame just to fix it.

[@dallasbagley]

Still great for the money. If I recall correctly, the dynamic range is identical to the P4K. Even tho 13.5 stops isn't bad, I was just anticipating a little more. The log and lowlight on the Alexa is way better obviously. Is it tens of thousands better? Not if you're owning as a prosumer, but certainly warrants renting for the right shoot. I think Blackmagic has found a great niche in the market where as far as I know, there is some, but not a ton of competitors. I don't know, it's been a while, so maybe I'm wrong.

[@JeanSebastienLEGER]

Was it the Pro or the FF? because on your title it says "BMC6K FF" and in your video "BMCC 6K Pro"

[@bbrunorocha]

i got one to replace my 6k pro, it's an amazing camera ! The only thing missing right now is a full cage for it :/

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

Check out @mid49 for cages. They have a great one.

[@bbrunorocha]

@@NorthwestCameraCo they are great but only half cage :(

[@vinjemmy]

​@@bbrunorocha smallrig cage for 6k pro kinda works well

[@bbrunorocha]

@@vinjemmy i need to have a locking position on top of the camera ... Also the front of the cage sticking out is kinda bad. I'll wait for someone to release a full cage for it :/

[@vinjemmy]

@@bbrunorocha the locking screw on top works, but using in a different hole in the cage

[@blackwhitepictures4291]

For being clear, working with BMCC6K is the new black !

[@Rheincomputer]

Безусловно, bm проигрывает местами, но стоит учитывать что эта камера в десятки раз дешевле alexa mini. Если взять ту же алексу 65, то она в пух и прах порвет alexa mini, но там и цена другая. Я и сам себе хочу прикупить BM, очень хороший вариант за свои деньги

[@eyeballbilly]

Blackmagic best bang 4 buck, miles ahead of anything else

[@MagieLamp]

i wish glazers donated me a 6k ff 😓

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

To be fair it was just for a day of testing.

[@eliovisita]

Sometimes people forget That one camera is 80k and the other one 2.5k

[@HeathcliffBlair]

The video seems to mislabel the Black Magic examples as a 6K Pro. You are actually using the 6K full frame, yes?

[@JeffBourke]

People on KZbin complain because they like to flex. You actually see rolling shutter , focus breathing etc ALL THE TIME in actual movies and actual audience never complain about such stupid things.

[@tjh__]

Definitely seems like a great 'burner' b-cam for a Mini LF owner operator - especially if you're shooting 3:2. That footage would absolutely cut fine together in an doc interview setup. Although the other day I got reminded of the compact rectangular shape of my buddy's FX3 and got ideas about just stowing one in my peli case next to my mini v-locks. Surely we're not far off getting a good cinema focused camera in that form factor.

[@owenjenkinsofficial]

I think the closest Ive seen that can do opengate in the BMCC 6k price range is the LUMIX s5MII. I have not used this camera, I personally own the FX30, but the LUMIX seems to be the best affordable b-cam hybrid/compact shape camera that can do 6k raw, etc.

[@MtZionMediaPro]

Check out the Pyxis

[@immersivesoundscapes]

For preamp test, you need to connect XLR phantom powered microphone to test them, with Deity Theos on your demo, you only test the recording capability but you test Theos preamps by using line input.

[@threefoldtv]

Thanks for putting this test together! Really cool to see just how well a budget camera stacks up against the mini LF.

[@charles.vernier]

Great test guys! Thanks. Nice to see they are fairly close. That rolling shutter is very noticeable on the 6k when put side by side. Not that big of a deal like you mentioned, but I do love how much better the Alexa looked in those tests.

[@m-tron5966]

if you didnt indicate which camera was which....no one would be able to tell the difference 😃

[@nikitasilich9206]

you clearly wrong

[@ThisIsLeeBird]

@@nikitasilich9206it’s not a $90k difference.

[@algeriathelandofterrorists3329]

U wouldn't know ​@nikitasilich9206

[@d_FLDE]

Sorry, but it clearly was :)

[@d_FLDE]

@@ThisIsLeeBird.. it is :) Simple as is, if you are on a certain level of production, it is worth every penny.

[@shukra333]

Sure mini gives full raw. Bmpcc gives 1/3 raw... Majority of vfx studios use bmppcc rather than mini LF... Prices much difference & weight

[@deniss.6205]

Sarcasm? Can't tell due to how you worded your comment.

[@shukra333]

It's not sarcasm🙃 man. Really I spoken truth....

[@chrisrossleong5735]

Hmm… “cos not everybody (who uses a Blackmagic Cinema 5k FF) is going to have access to Blackmagic Studio Resolve….” Whaaa? Really? It comes with the camera…?!!!

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

Sometimes you shoot stuff for clients who are still in premiere or avid. And don’t use resolve to finish. I’d say maybe 50 percent of my clients are in resolve and 50 are still premiere or another platform.

[@ValentinaTheCreator]

stop talking about a square body!!! If they do that, we'll probably lose the huge FREE screen. If they minimize the cost of the whole product so regular filmmakers who doesn't have an external screen, can purchase one to make up for the cost, then that's cool, but if it's the same price, with no screen and in an idiotic square because some of you want that, that's just dumb, and self-fish. Maybe they'll have the same sensors and all with the body of the BlackMagic Micro camera, use that, TF. But don't limit other filmmakers because you all want a nonsense cube size. lol. I think the Micro is there for that.

[@andymanson]

Great video! Rolling Shutter - yes it's visibly worse in the BMCC6K; but there exists a pretty good fix (gyro in post) for it. IQ - yes the Alexa is somewhat better; but the BMCC6K IQ is phenomenal at its price-point Noise - the Alexa is convincingly better; the BMCC6K will force the user to expose (and light) properly Is the Arri better? Of course it is...but I think you've demonstrated very effectively that a skilled crew should have no issues producing wonderful work with the BMCC6K. Thanks!

[@ivanstegachev]

Overall look similarity is nice, but it is still a very long way. Bmcc looked like dslr in comparison. I have this camera and I love it, but this diffused textured nature of Alexa image is stunning. I can only imagine how it will exaggerated with every slider move in post and grade.

[@Andresvideo]

Great test, it's amazing how similar they look with the correct exposure and adjustments. The Alexa wins clearly in the underexposing test, but it's expected from a much expensive camera than the BM.

[@PatoCrioyo]

The Alexa looked amazing underexposed, I loved it, but it's crazy how similar they look otherwise considering the price difference.

[@sonnyjostins6158]

Do you have any tips or LUTs to match the colour science across the blackmagic to the arri?

[@area51pictures]

Is it just me or is the highlight roll off out of camera considerably less harsh on the 6k FF than the Mini LF? Obviously, whats behind the curtain is everything. But I thought I was going a bit nuts looking at that.

[@Frontigenics]

Yep, I think so as well. People seriously underrate and downplay Blackmagic. IMO (on image alone and proper exposure) I would pick the BM6K over the Alexa here. It looks smoother and more organic. It’s so funny to see what many people would say is negligible or even slightly better image written off as “wElL iTs sTiLl jUsT miDrAnGe cAuSe rEaSoNs”. There’s no reason outside of having millions of dollars and wanting that extra reliability and IO to go with the Alexa… which yes, for studios making a StarWars movie, that’s probably worth it. But for anyone else just get like 3 of these Blackmagics and spend the rest of the money on lights/production design.

[@Fedorevsky]

And the same people making those "mIdrANGe" claims about the BM cameras will also claim the difference between BM and say a Panasonic or Sony mirrorless is negligible, lol, often in the same rant. Go figure, lol@@Frontigenics

[@Mall4567]

Okay, but remember, if you don't see the difference, it doesn't mean that others don 't see it. It's the same as listening to high-frequency sounds - only a few hear 15 kilohertz. Please use BM cameras

[@AaronStowers]

Fantastic review. I played with the Arri 35 today at Stratton Camera's 40th anniversary and the Sony Venice. It's amazing how this camera punches well above its weight.

[@andynonimuss6298]

I like the detail clarity and colors of the Blackmagic better than the ARRI.

[@MtZionMediaPro]

They've done it, same camera in a More square shape with SDI

[@ankurposeria2203]

Thanks guys. I think it’s a great documentary camera. I was previously on an Amira and it required a lot more briefing and permissions gathering of locations and gatekeepers whereas this BMCC6K could be seen as relatively harmless and has excellent performance. The battery life is a lot better than I anticipated, and the gyro stabilization in Resolve is a major helper for run and gun.

[@tecno8335]

The arri is amazing. Zoomed in you realize how great the alexa is there was almost no noise in the image compared to the 6k 😊

[@TurnerCine]

Hey looks like black magic listened to you!

[@coin777]

BRAW 3:1 12:1 is not VRB

[@videomakerlucasw2878]

what is BRB brow?

[@AnimeZone247]

10:57 bro predicted the future

[@rezaVfx]

Thx great test! I hope you do the same thing for Alexa mini vs p6kpro

[@北小北-o1n]

My machine experiences severe green bands and horizontal streaks in low light, how can I fix them

[@Bobbylopezcreative]

The new Black magic micro G2 has SDI out and in HDMI out and is a cube shape. It is their box camera and it’s wonderful.

[@teamboaz3466]

I have sdi capabilities on my 6k full frame, i just added a black magic assist! now i can run an hdmi out and an sdi out at the same time! and would you look at that i have a pro res proxy file also! how about it that?

[@UriRa]

Sigma fp shoots much better! Judging by these tests)

[@teamboaz3466]

lol! How about comparing the 6k battery to the internal battery on the mini LF?

[@perkaina]

hi , know you a comparison between bmcc 6k , fx3 and S1h ? thnaks

[@cokebottles6919]

For the life of me, I don't understand Blackmagic's decision to make the pocket cameras shaped like this. If they made it a cube with a basic screen, an SDI in and out, and some top mounting holes it would be an amazing little thing.

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

Accurate.

[@johnnyweissmuller5838]

Nah the built in 5” monitor is incredible

[@Frontigenics]

Probably cause of supply chain issues and stuff they’re a few years behind. This was most likely the body they had to use to release something new this year. I imagine there will be box versions of all these cams on the horizon soon.

[@Sundirre]

because they include 5'screen, i like form factore more than a box shape. And also they removed "pocket" from the name, which was long overdue

[@nvidiashield82]

You can try now the Pyxis same sensor 6K FF boxfactor

[@dabuldahi]

Lepas ni compare Arri Mini LF dengan Pyxis pulak.

[@papithetortilla1182]

7:42 thought it wasn't a pocket 🤨

[@d_FLDE]

The difference is worlds to the trained professional eye … what are you guys talking about :)

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

unfortunately we make content for people WITHOUT a trained professional eye. Id imagine 99.9 Percent of people wouldnt be able to tell these two apart or say which looks better/worse in a multitude of scenarios. Used to be a blatantly obvious image wise. When it was a 5d2 vs a RED Epic, there was clearly a massive image jump. Now not so much.

[@georgewoolf6300]

Thanks for the. great comparison, it's amazing the quality we have available to us for the price.

[@intiltomorrowproductions]

put the video at 1.25 speed

[@GabrielScindian]

I would not buy that camera. It is a test camera to see how they’re full frames Would do. Black magic will be coming out with better sensors, especially with the new Ursa line. This camera was just a filler.

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

Filler or not, this sensor performs fantastically. Especially if you shoot in traditional formats like 16:9 and 2.35:1 with rolling shutter performance. Honestly we couldn’t find much wrong with the sensor or the image especially for 2500 bucks. Camera shape and I/O is a different conversation as there’s a bit to be desired there.

[@simonc4764]

A new FF sensor for the Ursa Mini line they would not be using a Sony sensor. It will be their own sensor like the one on their 12k camera but the cost will be much higher.

[@GabrielScindian]

@@NorthwestCameraCo Thats what I meant by filler. I should have said it is there introductory camera for the Lmount. They will release new bodies this year along with canon and sony.

[@Frontigenics]

Well still a great camera for now. I really wanted a FF cam from Blackmagic and now we have one. But will definitely grab an Ursa FF or whatever when that rolls out as well.

[@simonc4764]

It might not happen in the Ursa Mini which is their professional cameras, the price would also be high. The curent trend from Arri and RED is going back to S35. There may be another consumer level FF camera using a off the self sensor from Sony and possibily a different formfactor.

[@MrJaynice5]

The difference is when you look on a movie screen at a theater

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

Luckily the creator proved that theory wrong. And so few people view in the theatres anymore compared to streaming. The average person would never know the difference.

[@shueibdahir]

Please test the eos m

[@pablomarin1746]

Great test...

[@Theymedia]

Stop. Saying. The. Audience. Won't. Notice. Stop. They do. FULL STOP. There's a reason people eat McDonalds just like there's another reason people eat a 500 dollar steak, people notice, and you pick the quality based on the story and the style. They notice, corporate roll does not.

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

As someone who has invested an insane amount of money in gear over the years, and as a DP who works a lot, image is almost irrelevant anymore. You’re paying for everything but the image these days. If you want more toolsets, you can pay for them, but it’s no longer 480p vs 1080p and the difference is noticeable to the average person. The only difference between these cams and higher end cams like the Alexa is projects at the Alexa level usually come with a great colorist. And that is the difference we notice. After that, the audience doesn’t care and won’t know the difference. Creator proved that. And as far as a 500 dollar steak goes, you can overcook that also. The difference between 5 dollar steak and 500 dollar one is the chef cooking it.

[@Theymedia]

​@@NorthwestCameraCo Creator, with an insanely expensive RAW workflow did not prove anything. The FX3 is an insanely good $4500 camera, that when rigged with another $5000 in gear, becomes a right decent cinema camera. And people do care, because if Creator looked like shit, nobody would have liked it, it would have been a great idea. Instead they spent millions maximizing the image, the 3D and voila. People notice, crappy corporate notices, everyone notices. Just know when to shoot super great stuff and when to simplify what you're shooting. I used the FX3 since it came out, switched back to RED and first shitty music video I did after doing 2 years of corporate, beautiful stuff, and everyone I knew was like "omg you're getting so great!" Now we're getting crazy corporate creative work, I can't stand that attitude and influences giving it to up and comers. Care. Or why are you doing it?

[@NorthwestCameraCo]

@@Theymedia I’ve been a DP working professionally almost 13 years now. As much as I’d love to believe otherwise, camera images have become good across the board. People notice great lighting and great sound and great acting among other things. To say people can spot the difference between cameras anymore is crazy talk. I actively use almost every camera on the market for jobs and these last couple years were the first years where me choosing a camera for a job had almost nothing to do with the image it creates and more so what it’s internal toolsets were. People were making the 5dm2 look good years back. If you know the limitations of your sensor and know how to light, you can make something shot on FX3 look as good as mini lf. And those who would care are not your average viewers. 90 percent of viewers still leave their tvs on standard picture profiles and 80 percent of media is streamed. Most of the subtle differences in image are lost in compression. That being said, there’s a tool for every job.

[@Theymedia]

​@@NorthwestCameraCo you're missing my point, as great as cameras are at the lowest level, the cinema cameras are great for a reason. Mixed lighting, easy recording, easy monitoring, low level filtering on lighting, I remember when the A7S2 was the rage and I had an F3 and it KILLED that camera when it came to strobing and mixed lighting. The old ass F3 at 1080P was just so much better than 4K. We still see that with ARRIS and Blackmagic made a damn good sensor emulating ARRIs, but I had my 4K malfunction, so while it looked like it was recording, it wasn't. I wanted to throw the goddamn thing across the room, it has the red tally light on and everything. And yes, I am 100 percent agreeing lighting, pre-production and all that stuff matter to any camera, but I was speaking to this guy saying, "will the audience know? Yes they do, they demarcate between amateur, semi-professional and go to the movie theatres for a reason, people are still buying high end TVs and stereo system to enjoy entertainment, and they can see it on screen. That's all my lesson is, shoot well, get a good camera, and use it well. Care. That's all I'm saying mostly LOL

[@aeyronmoore4460]

@@NorthwestCameraCo I love this comment!