The New World Situation is a Disaster

Amazon teased an announcement for months about the future of New World, building up hype until the Game Awards.
The ensuing announcement has resulted in review bombing and general frustration beyond just the announcement but more so about how frustrating their communication has been...and well...the fact that they now call their MMO an Action RPG.
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[@LoyalHulk07]

The Devs have always been out of touch. All the decisions they make are from spreadsheets. And they obviously don’t play their game.

[@McDudes]

they only fish and gathers and maybe play an instrument

[@-mayo-]

They knew what they were doing. It was all testing and prep for a console release. This is their 1.0 release. That’s why they focus on the early game so much when people begged for end game content. Once it hits console they might start on end game content since that’s all that’s left at that point, but far too late for their current player base at that point.

[@m_rod9562]

They busy playing Dragonflight

[@Icabod-os6rg]

@@-mayo- You do realize that this is the 3rd release of the game? It had an initial release, a reset half way thru, and now this. No new content. If you believe that AGS will change their ways after this final cash grab. You are living under a rock.

[@bugskees146]

i was p[art of the original dev teams alpha test back in 18/19 and man, they didnt listen to our feedback at all and actually seemed to actively do the opposite.

[@Infamous_wu13]

I wish I can go back to the first 3 weeks of this games release, life was different then

[@freshairkaboom8171]

Everyone says the launch was horrible, but those were some of my favourite moments in gaming. I think the game was meant for launches and not so much for longevity.

[@chinhphan4787]

Before all the bugs revealed themselves? 😂

[@BrandonShere]

me too, those days will live on in my head forever. beautiful time of life

[@KushbiZ]

No lie....been playing MMOs since 2006. First month of New World and the first couple weeks of Aion were some of the most fun ive had in mmo's.

[@dopeness5848]

@@KushbiZ how the fuck have you been playing since 06 and not say the greatest one of all time WOW.

[@W9HJBill]

The Devs and their marketing department are a bunch of out of touch idiots. Plain and simple. I'm honestly waiting for AGS to "pull a Disney" and start blaming the players for what just happened.

[@TaurielWoW]

uh players are the issue bud...the whole healer issue was because few players cried same with the stun/cc change same with the way they handled 1st year they listened and they lost more players due to the chages.

[@W9HJBill]

@@TaurielWoW Seriously? When was the last time you ACTUALLY played New World? You have a lot of game videos on your channel, but the last one was November of 2021 ... 2.5 years ago. You obviously haven't played the game in YEARS. Just look at this thread and see all the other people comment on how the Devs are out of touch, and yet I'm the one who think it's the players problems? I have over 1394 hours in the game and played this morning, I think I have a MUCH better handle on the state of the game than you.

[@Lunathean]

Old player here, They kind of did us super dirty. I felt so backstabbed every time they spoke, I lowkey lost over 300K+ gold because of their stupid updates that made ZERO sense! On top of killing off my entire server and having delays on delays on the "merge". And killing off the server they had us merge too, And offering a "Transfer" that NEVER came and I was left for dead with over 600 hours spent and every piece of progression I've done undermined and all motivation killed. Anyways to get to the point I feel like them charging 30$ for content is WILD, the game is less than that on a sale $15.99 I checked. So they're asking TWICE the box price for an expansion that is only going to spilt the player base because not everyone going to want to pay for that. Kind of wanted to get back into it but saw the 30$ and left a sour taste in my mouth and said NAH, rather go to a game that doesn't suffer from an monthly crisis.

[@SyphonGaming]

Yeah same boat as you. I had played the beta tests and liked the game when It first came out then all the problems and end game came about and made me lose interest for a while. Once I had came back to buggy messes and them saying they wouldn't honor cross region transfers anymore I decided to make a character on my home region and play that but having to grind so much again made me lose interest and now to get back into the game I have to pay $30 for a dlc is wild and i will not support them as that was another broken promise. They said there would be no pay to win content or paid dlcs ever and they lied

[@douglasduda9826]

I loved how they punished everyone for fishing (bots) when they used to give a bit of gold in the rare fishing chests and then they removed it and never added ANYTHING else...and the games still filled with bots...farming...

[@brkenppt2222]

Imagine playing New world 😂

[@BRADLIKESPVP]

Let PC players wait for 6+ months while constantly hyping up their big announcement in June, only for it to be basically just a console port and some minor content that won't last longer than a week or two. All of that while trying to rebrand and repackage the same lackluster game riddled with bugs to unsuspecting console players for a quick cashgrab and showing a middlefinger to the PC community. Perfect case study on how to run an MMO with a great foundation into the dirt.

[@arktos5620]

does it really surprise anyone that Scott Lane and the others are out of touch with what players want in their game? The guy is like a 65 year old boomer who should be leading a lawn bowling team not a MMO

[@imoldnews]

I thought people wanted people in their game? Not sure how increasing the potential population by the sum of all PS and Xbox players doesn't accomplish that.

[@crush3688]

Who cares if it's labeled MMO or aRPG? It's the same game. The problem is that Scot Lane is a fucking liar. People are tired of the delays, bugs, and broken promises. Anyone who has been around long enough knows this.

[@ogdanco5638]

@@crush3688 Thank you dear lord

[@ogdanco5638]

Thank you dear lord

[@thefawnci1593]

They aren’t saying it’s an MMO because my guess is they are going to get rid or limit the best of features such as war and OPR. This is an obvious cash grab of a failed project by incompetent devs that are getting the hammer from the man.

[@PWReviews]

My thoughts is because MMO for console players could be considered World of Warcraft. Alot of young console players could be thought of as those who play Fortnite or call of duty and so perhaps calling it an ARPG sounds like the Witcher or dragon age. So to them it could sound cooler than saying MMO. I don't believe they are getting rid of any aspects of the game. Though anyway anyone could be right or wrong at this stage.

[@raf0419]

It's so damn annoying. There is so much to like about this game but the leadership just can't get it on the right track. I loved my time with it but the decisions are just mind blowing.

[@uhBurrito]

It's even crazier for them to try and catch the ARPG hype train. New World as an ARPG is just a bad ARPG. It feels like mom I want elden ring, we have elden ring at home. New World.

[@terps710]

Spot on!

[@MrTmac2023]

arpg = games like diablo and path of exile. not elden ring. unless parameters have changed a lot in the last year or two . o.0

[@TheSheepDipped]

Sounds design was the first thing i noticed when I played New world. It was SO good, the echoing of trees, players mining ore. Top notch, I do not understand how the sound design team is so far ahead of everything else in the game. The icing on the cake, why I will not go back after about 3k hrs is the healing. Healing flat out not fun. Then in this "action combat" system people are forced to stand in a circle for heals. IDK why that alone made it past alpha. This game was so close to being amazing, AGS totally screwed the pootch. I have a ton of resentment because I spent so many hours just hoping at some point the game would get better.

[@Vitnir]

So what happens if I do not have the Angry Earth dlc? Am I just locked out of the game I paid for? That sounds a bit illegal

[@RealNDepaula]

You can still play up to max lvl 60 but you won’t get mounts or the dlc quests. It’s shitty what they are doing!

[@VonVisualsOfficial]

I feel like the minority here, but I finally plan on buying the DLC after this announcement. To me the game is the perfect RPG. I don’t care for the MMO aspect. The world is beautiful, the community is knowledgeable, and I don’t have to pay monthly for it.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I hope you'll find hours of enjoyment out of it. That's all we can really ask for in games after all!

[@MichaelKerr71]

Most of these corporations are so out of touch with their consumer base. And their answer to their customers is just to go further and further down the rabbit hole.

[@Emperor_of_Sands]

I will never forget the magic the launch of this game brought. Prob the best two weeks of gaming I've had since the old COD days. Sad to see it fail so badly.

[@Allhavengames]

I feel like im living in some kind of f**** upside down world, how is this stuff even possible, game after game releasing shit that makes no sense

[@Al-ny8dr]

I'm glad I was smart enough not to waste my time even bothering with this "game". I knew they were going to eventually tell their player base to smile, and bend over.

[@mattstansbeary3068]

The issue is simple We are rich Trillionaires and we are bored lets make a Game that we have no idea what we are doing.

[@MadraRrua]

The people still playing (I include myself into that) are the most loyal bunch you could wish for and everyone of us was kicked in the nuts.

[@aljnddlgdl]

I know im late on this and yet this worries me that their future LoTR mmo will follow the same path as New World.

[@pakratnv]

Amazon really needs to get out of gaming.

[@williamflick9246]

Oddly enough I have been in a kick for crafting in games, and thought I'd go back to New World because I remember loving the gathering/crafting loop. Then all this hit and I am not sure where I am with it now. hope AGS clarifies what is going on.

[@khalidabdelmoneim]

It’s crazy how EQ and WoW are still the gold standards for an MMO.

[@EfficiencyOverload]

and DAoC if you want best pvp, by a long shot.

[@Ishrol]

Imagine EQ with New World graphics, that would just be out of this world

[@Dyrhos]

You mean wow and ff14, right? Who the fu play everquest nowdays

[@BushBumperBaker]

@@Dyrhos FF14 is boring as fuck and does the typical Eastern Dev thing of microtransactioning the fuck out of the player despite paying a sub fee.

[@Dyrhos]

@@BushBumperBaker i'm with you about being boring as fuck, but overwhole is a top quality mmo

[@staei7457]

I used to play RuneScape and wow as a kid, best gaming of my life. I didn’t know who the developers were, I didn’t look up any updates, I didn’t read any forums, I just played the game. It’s crazy what people complain about “they don’t respond to the community”. If the game isn’t fun just stop playing.everyone trying to create hate and get views.

[@MikeyPaper]

New World is so friggen dead... they need to shut down the remaining servers PERMANENTLY! ITS OVER!

[@mgaming7]

It’s a dead game. Just give up and stop playing it. The Only option is to turn this into a downloadable ARPG and close down the mmo servers. They’ve lost 99.9% of their players. The .1% are all that’s left. Calling it an mmo hurts the game. Calling it an ARPG makes it seem like it’s not dead.

[@TheMarkomadman]

i have hundreds of hours on new world, then they changed the minimum spec to play it. now it lags out when i get into a city or a fight. unplayable for me know.

[@gothicshark]

While true we FFXIV fans would hate that, we do in fact call it a RPG-MMO. Mostly to remind people to slow down and enjoy the story.

[@Syine]

They don't want to say "MMO" on console for marketing reasons, that's all. It was a stupid move to make but it's not complicated.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Abandoning the terminology you've used for years is a bad look no matter how you slice it. Especially when your current pc audience is asking for clarification and the response is "we don't classify our game in a genre" pissing off one audience you've courted for years in search of a new one. Not great.

[@Moonwynd5]

You are not wrong. I have 6042 hours played in NW since launch but I haven't played in the last two months because nearly everyone I know and played with, stopped playing. AGS has consistently mismanaged communication and information. They claim that the vocal dissatisfaction is just part of a very vocal minority and that the majority of players are getting what they want from the New World DEVs in regards to fixes/features. However, the attrition numbers say otherwise. This game is beautifully rendered and has a lot of great content for a few hundred hours. After that, there is little to do except what I did: farm expeditions on muscle memory, do endless OPRs on the one and only map they have had since day 1, login for war after war after war, and ignore the horrible way the devs have tried to balance weapons/abilities while introducing new bugs with each patch and still having old bugs that have been around since 2021. Such a shame...

[@vereor_nox]

Ah, yes the infamous chat sausage. Those were the good old days. Put about 750 hours into New World. It has a really good crafting and gathering system. That what kept me in the game, such a shame it’s being miss managed.

[@petewilcox3354]

Said it before and will say it again. I never thought after nearly 25 years, the best MMO to ever release would be EverQuest. MMO's have gotten worse...steadily worse. And yes it started its decline with World of KiddieCraft.

[@markboron5581]

Agreed. Just started again on new TLP Teek a few weeks ago and its been bomb. Sooo many people

[@GenDrake3]

Osrs was the only tolerable mmo. Hotbar spamming mmos are so wack

[@Moonwynd5]

I played EQ from 1999 to 2009 and it still stands out as the best MMO I have ever played

[@ataridc]

I mean that's incredibly subjective, tons of people loved Asheron's Call(me, for example), Ultima, LotrO, DDO, City of Heroes, Warhammer, to say nothing of WoW. Or as the clearly unbiased Gendrake3 says, Osrs is the only one that is even tolerable.

[@hardbrocklife]

Problem is that the very small hardcore MMO OG community could never truly drive profits for a company to advance and iterate on the game. Not enough capital. Its why the EQ of now is terrible and PTW.

[@CaptRohmer]

We really need to create a support group for New World players. So many of us put thousands of hours into it. Anything good about that game was because we made it good. Just read a few random reviews and you’re gonna find people who feel seriously betrayed. I hope one day we can resurrect it after the current devs are banned from the industry

[@aimnone]

sad thing is, i absolutely love the gameplay and lore of New world. if the devs would just get their act together, the game could have the potential to be the biggest mmo ever

[@j.d.4697]

Did you really just say they increased the server size "a little bit" to 2000 players?! 240 to 2000 is an increase of "a little bit" to you?

[@BroncosGuy]

Hello Once Human, goodbye New World

[@Tattletale-Delta]

I just wanna be able to play a female character instead of either male or androgynous.

[@jamesdenny1131]

It's all up to Indie titles now. It's too bad they can't get better funding. Imagine Pantheon Rise of the fallen with an AGS budget, but WITHOUT the oversight of AGS (as that would destroy it)

[@broquietstorm1266]

Exactly what I have been saying and will continue to say. I would LOVE to see what Pantheon, Embers Adrift, M&M and a few others would look like with a 50+ million budget and triple plus full-time staff. I didn't include AoC because they have enough money to fully realize their vision(which I love for them) Indie MMOS will keep the genre alive.

[@xBloodXGusherx]

At this point, I won't come back to this game until they go back to Alpha or Beta.

[@hardxkor6561]

It's sad to see the current state of MMOs. I am always drawn in by the flashy new graphics, combat systems, things that I believe MMO's are lacking at times, and then I start playing them and I think to myself "This just isn't it...". I am OG Everquest/Classic WoW player and as of late, I have been playing Villagers and Heroes by indie developers Mad Otter games because THEY get it. The graphics aren't top of the line but the depth of the game, the replay-ability factor, the gearing system, the raids, the crafting, it's all there. Some of the zones I have played in are bar none the coolest zones I've ever seen in an MMO. If you can look at old school graphics, it's a game I hope more check out. There is no PVP in this game though so if you're a PVP player it might not be exactly what you want but if you enjoy PvE that scales, it's great.

[@doubleclick4132]

quick question for anyone still playing (i havent played since launch) how many dungeons does the game have now? how many raids does it have now? does it have transmog now?

[@alfredgreybeard]

They want to relable the game as an action RPG for 1 reason, single player RPGs don't usually have content updates often. Now they can sit back and try to cash in on consoles, all while not delivering content to players.

[@evolgenius1150]

So... I don't own angry earth. And they're forcing me to buy it to play this update. wow.

[@roahnosh]

Console players are busy playing either First Descendant or Zenless Zone Zero. The latter already made $50 million in mobile alone not including PS and PC. New World devs and Amazon don't know how to maintain a game and to keep them successful.

[@billyscenic5610]

I stopped play New World when I realized that crafting becomes worthless once you hit level cap. It became this boring grind of dungeons and PVP. And the PVP is horrible bursty crap.

[@PotatoGunCamper]

Would an Albion player like New World? I know you guys are angry, but are there enough players left to give it ago?

[@Redbeardflynn]

Hm...what do you like most about Albion Online?

[@xR9_Gamingx]

New World devs are like employees who lied in their interviews; they definitely don't know what they are doing or trying to achieve.

[@AJ_Stone]

I played since before launch. 9k + hours, a few bucks in the store, 3 maxed out characters. I don't care about MMO/RPG labelling. What i care about is brain dead devs, the lies, the BS promises, the bugs, the servers, etc. The game really is dead. Die hard players still hang around hoping for change. So many let downs with this game. The console launch won't be as big or good as they are hoping for. They are really more focused on LOTR and just appeasing PC players and adding console. They are 2 years too late for reviving this game with crossplay, controller support, etc. I've moved on to other games like many others have. They don't give 2 hoots about us legacy founding players. It's all about profit margins coming from new players, but it won't last, all new players become old players who get tired of the same BS. The "new car smell" will wear off quickly and reveal its truly a salvaged title.

[@MrLonwolfmq]

I suspect they are gonna shut down the studio and just sell it as a RPG. In today’s times it has become too expensive for them to run based off player base. This is all due to them ruining their reputation in a failed MMO. Great video!

[@cernunnos_lives]

I can't believe they hadn't said to console players that this game is an MMO. And the great weapons look ridiculously large.

[@dialysisdayz7586]

The whole premise of the game originally was to create Clans and overtake each section of the lands. If they are trying to do that without claiming its an MMO, then I would have to agree that they are just pretty much moving on from that aspect. My friends and I have over 800 hours in the game and ultimately stopped because the amount of bots that would stay near the higher level fishing spots, wood, etc and it would be designed to just go from point a to b and constantly collect it. Then it would sell the stuff to the point no one would ever make money on the trading posts. They had no control over that.

[@jamesdenny1131]

I bought the base game. I WAS going to try Aeternum. I WILL NOT be buying the expansion. So I guess I won't be returning to try Aeternum. Good job AGS. If you think I'm going to fall for this trick to buy your shitty expansion that I already passed on, you're delusional.

[@remieres]

I hadn't played New world for 4 months (until last week). Because my Videocard had to be rolled back to the previous GPU from an older computer. Until I could afford a better VideoCard. Now that I have a recent and great budget GPU that can handle most games out there. I find that New World (vanilla) is LAGGY as Hell, no matter how low the settings. WTF!!!

[@douglasduda9826]

Its partly because, many new MMO players play solo...and most kids don't care about making friends online or having online friends...so why play an mmo?

[@Redbeardflynn]

I think people playing games today are even more social than when I was young and playing. You see it with some of the most popular games all being co-op. I just think the way its done by MMOs seeking different kinds of metrics have resulted in anti-social games.

[@turinhorse]

im an MMO addict.. usually try them all. wow am i happy i dodged the New World bullet. maybe cuz Amazon didnt know if it were firing bullets or marshmallows?

[@treiz01]

I loved this game, played it with friends and thought it had a lot of good ideas. But over 90% of the player base was done with it in 3 months. RIP

[@theswearjar5909]

They actually lost 99.5% of the player base 3.5k active users the last few months

[@LeviathanVIII]

Radio silence for two weeks right after they started an attempted hype campaign. They know they screwed up.

[@cadenkim305]

I hate this game. I've spent most of my time grinding in 'World Tour,' which involves just following a bunch of people and picking up items. It feels like a waste of time

[@alexou857]

Amazon too busy with their delivery system just forgot they made a game.

[@gscgold]

I don't understand how they got so many things right, crafting , gathering.. interacting with the world in general in the game, then completely ruin it. IF this is how they plan on treating the world of Tolkien in their planned Lotr game, it will be the end for them as a gaming company, that is if this doesn't ruin them first. What a insult to the dozens of players left.

[@darkforremancer5039]

I think that LOTR mmo/rpg is cancelled. Last I heard, it was scrapped because of arguments between Amazon and the devs.

[@Qaligrafia]

They will never listen to the community. They keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again ad aeternum.

[@weedraven]

Devs are the biggest problem of this game from the very beginning.

[@kestrik]

I think the Devs realized in trying to create Rise of Angry Earth that the lumberjack engine just isn’t going to cut it when it comes to making content. So this is their way of saying, this game is never going to be a strong MMO. So let’s cut our losses and take what we have to the console market as a coop or solo action RPG. With the console market we can meet and possibly exceed those expectations. But for PC, this is now an open world RPG, with some PvP and group content.

[@bradgraeff1]

Sounds like they are scared to say MMO because that will scare a lot of console players away.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

Shitting on your future players isn't smart

[@zevfeistory]

since they force players to pay dlc to have a mount, unlock level 65, class... i already uninstall the game.

[@nerfworthy112]

I have 1500 hours in New World within its first year. I loved this game, so did many of my friends. I'm heart broken, honestly, knowing what it has become. The game has such good bones. It was nearly a perfect MMO for me. Tragic.

[@violetlight8138]

when I played it a year and a half ago I loved it but, I hated the bots and there were some bugs that really irritated me with the housing. I would set up bot traps and they would run into my tent and couldn't get by for a while. Sometimes there were bots that had actual people behind them and they would camp the nodes and not let anyone else come and get them. I don't like PVP and I was sick of having to fight actual people to get any of the mats. That was really tough. It made it really hard to get enough materials to increase a craft. The story was completely lacking. The world is amazing. So gorgeous and the houses and furniture are incredible. It was what I liked the most. My ex partner and I had a cool company named 'Follow the Rabbit'. It was very cool.

[@TyLudian]

It's not really hard to grasp. They aren't labeling it an MMO because MMO's don't sell as well these days. Same game, more polish, fancy new hypetrain RPG tag to get sales. Do we understand now?

[@mimmim13aiv]

"More polish" lol. New World isn't even a good ARPG by any mean. Predictions ? It will keep sinking miserably. Best thing to do to be sure it continues its downfall, is alienate the remaining players. I mean, rn SWTOR is around the same number of concurrent players as NW. Says it all.

[@BTizzle]

They're not calling it an mmo anymore bc a majority of the player base left which negatively impacts the MMO Features that we were sold on - hard to do 50 v 50 wars, expeditions, dungeons, etc. If you don't have people to play it with.

[@Optikification]

Problem with New World is the PVP kids are trying to force Amazon to go 100% PVP and hate the fact that PVE players prefer the game as it is.

[@herolex782]

MMO games and action RPGs are very similar, except in scale. MMO games cater to hundreds of players. Action RPGs is a smaller scale. So, in a way, they are acknowledging that the player base won't support hundreds of players, but rather focus on smaller battles.

[@ihavecrabs56]

it all went downhill when they removed hitstun and full loot drop and no pvp servers

[@danpitzer765]

You know what this sounds like to me? What it sounds EXACTLY like? Secret World: Legends.

[@CommissarInbram]

THe Old Secret World is still playable, bit of a faf but its still up and has a small community

[@LoyalHulk07]

@@CommissarInbram I have very found memories of Secret World. I would love to see a sequel with gameplay like New World has. Alas that will likely never happen.

[@bensimon8234]

Seems like they just advertised different to PC players to consoles. MMO is not a popular category on console but is on PC

[@RoRo-xs8fb]

I just uninstalled the game after 6700 hours i had enough trying to find another game with same combat system

[@Douchemaster_McChest]

I got over 2200 hours in the game, but went on hiatus a few months after Angry Earth expansion was released. Then when this "big" announcement came and went, my heart sank even further. For shits and giggles, last night I logged back on to New World (I hadn't uninstalled it yet, while still keeping up with the steam updates it was given over the last few months.) My 4 characters are still in the same exact position/location I had left them earlier in the year. I decided to run 2 faction missions last night in Elysian WIlds and nothing has been changed. The same feeling came back quickly which caused me to take a hiatus earlier in the year. After 20 minutes, I logged back off. It's just repetitive fluff with no meaningful rewards, especially if you are already geared out for the specs you like to play. Biggest complaints still hold for me: There is no meaningful Endgame that has much replayability, especially after you are geared out. No multi-boss big raids (though, seems like a 10-man raid is coming with multiple bosses.) Doing the 3-5 man expeditions/dungeons over and over becomes boring, doing chest runs becomes boring, running faction and town missions becomes boring, and gathering/refining/crafting becomes boring and quite frankly has become useless too. Also, the limited number of types of mobs in the game is disappointing. And when they do introduce a "new" type of mob, it's just a reskin of an existing mob. As for PVP, I can't comment on that in New World. I like to PVP in other games but not in New World. Tried it once and hated it. Still going to keep it installed on my PC until October 15 when the new game update/relaunch occurs to check it out. But I don't think nothing major is going to change, especially for us PC gamers.

[@weirdodude1173]

New World on PC was only dying because they let it die. A lot of players gave AGS the benefit of the doubt and their trust that they would eventually get stuff fixed and add things we could use in the game (more than one OPR map, barbershop, etc.) and the players got burned. The same thing could happen after console launch with the same people making the same decisions on what players really need. Thumbs up for the video.

[@VidGamrJ]

Social media is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. These people make videos based off negativity solely to bring in views. Game could be great, but content creators will still be like “devs dropped the ball” “game is dead” “there’s no direction” blah blah blah. And the only reason they make these videos is because people eat it up and the creator makes money off of it. Meanwhile, most of the time there’s nothing wrong with the game except for the fact that content creators planted false seeds in players heads and have damaged the game for their own game.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Do you believe there's no issues with New World from launch until now? And its all the fault of social media?

[@VidGamrJ]

@@Redbeardflynn New World’s problem is that it’s front loaded. Yeah, it’s frustrating if you’ve put 1,000 hours into the game. But let’s put things into perspective. At the current state, let’s say a new player can get 500 hours before the light endgame finally takes its toll on the player. Assuming no other monetary transactions were made except buying the basic version of the game, that’s 10 cents per hour of entertainment. In today’s economy, that’s a bargain. So why would people be making videos trashing this game left and right talking about how much it sucks and how new potential players should avoid it? First of all, you get bang for your buck. Second, the people saying the game sucks are people that have put over 1,000 hours into the game. How does it make sense that the game was good enough for one person for 1,000’s of hours but not good enough for anyone else? Third, if the hate stems from the frustration that the devs aren’t deving fast enough why spread videos that only focus on the negative? New players get discouraged from even trying the game, and everyone mad that it’s going nowhere is shooting themselves in the foot because they are guaranteeing that it goes nowhere. It just doesn’t make sense unless the main goal of the content creators is solely to make profit and not enjoy what could potentially become a great game. Same thing is happening to other games like Helldivers 2. Front loaded, but another excellent game getting destroyed by content creators. Why? Because they dumped 1,000’s of hours into the game, ran out of crap to do and then puke up some videos trashing the game so they can laugh all the way to the bank while the game dies because nobody wants to play it because of the viral negative influence. You can’t sit here and tell me New World and Helldivers are terrible games. But these games, and many other good games get crapped all over and destroyed by people like you because they can’t churn our content fast enough for people who no life the crap. Call of Duty gets all kinds of love, and that game is the same crap year after year. That’s why they can pump out “new content” it’s cookie cutter and unoriginal. These games you slaughter are the complete opposite, there’s not a whole lot of games out there like them. There isn’t a cookie cutter pump out the content formula in place yet. And at the rate content creators destroy these unique games for their own profit, it will never happen and these and future gems will die a miserable death instead of finding their stride and blossoming into something great.

[@Redbeardflynn]

​@@VidGamrJ Having played quite a bit of New World myself, I actually reviewed it favorably but had several problems with it. They started to remedy some of it over time by beginning to adjust the new player experience to have more story, but it was quickly abandoned as they pushed toward making a console version of the game. There are legitimate criticisms. You may also be overestimating a content creators impact. I have little to no impact on playerbases, even the largest creators probably have little to no impact as most players of video games dont watch content creators. Most don't even read reviews. Steam reviews will generally have a bigger impact in all honesty. Us content creators aren't that important 😅 As for the need to "churn out content" I cover things I personally care about and/or feel strongly about and I'm honest about my opinions, positive and negative. But my opinion doesnt hold more weight than yours or anyone else's. I just have a microphone. I think one of the issues here is looking at New World not as an MMO but as an RPG. If you look at it as an RPG only, its got a decent amount of content but it'd probably be considered lower tier due to its lack of coherent narrative. As an MMO its struggled to have an identity because it started out as a survival pvp mmo, then pivoted, then pivoted again to narrative based, and now its pivoting toward "action rpg" several years on. New World is the reason its player base is hovering around 3k concurrent players, not content creators or steam reviews. Its their responsibility to change the tenor around their own game. I will continue to talk up the good of the game: I like the combat and I like the sound design and lighting. Everything else? Quests? PvP? Queues that don't pop for Arenas? Territory control? bleh. Cheers bud. I hope that their pivot toward console revitializes the servers so you can see it thriving again. And I mean that genuinely, I want people to enjoy games they enjoy. And helldivers is great, For Democracy!

[@VidGamrJ]

@@Redbeardflynn Thanks for the insight. I was wrong to throw that flame towards you. I just get tired of seeing good stuff trashed and actual trash praised online. Some people wouldn’t know a good game if it bit them in the rear. Hope New World can see a revival, and if all else fails, democracy always needs us!

[@asgrif681]

Imagine making a PVP game, that whole PVP community awaits, and then, you make PVP dead, betraying your fans and pretend that a world, which is empty outside the PVP, is now a great PVE game...so having a totally dead game, you try to build the game post release, after you lost your most loyal fans, and you stil don't even know which direction you go, totally winning worst MMO award ever

[@cllandestine5603]

For reference, look at what happened when The Secret World the MMO, went to The Secret World: Legends.

[@MyGamesterGaming]

Not to mention they did a cooking “update” and took out and or changed over half the recipes. So they actually took out choice/customization

[@InimicusSolitus]

This is game design by committee. After 400 hours in game, I quit months ago. With this announcement, I've just given up any plans to return. Back playing ESO, at least it knows what it is.

[@ocoolwow]

Congrats buddy, you went from one shit game to another. Jesus lobotomites have more common sense than you.

[@Mrjvc163]

I really want to download the game again. We did expeditions with my friends and a bunch of oprs and guild wars. This game is so hard to break into end game content. You need perfect gear with the perfect perks for a perfect build to participate. This is actually a fun game and I enjoy the unique combat mechanics. I quit right after doing m2s for the snow expedition. Just got boring.

[@19Nivea73]

That was a political speech right there if i ever saw one, they don't want to name a specific genre 'cause they probably have plans for the future that the MMOrpg players that currently playing most likely wont like ..Milking money as long as they can, from as many as they can - I say its a sinking ship, It's not a game made for gamers, it's a game made for shareholders ..But what do i know..

[@sarphusgaming3542]

I think the action-RPG rebranding is largely because that's popular with the console audience. Also, they've added capabilities for solo all through the game so it's no longer required to group up if you don't want to. I don't think they're going to make the game more limited on what groups can do because they just did all that optimization stuff (rebuilding the entire engine)

[@madprophetus]

This is almost as tone deaf as charging $70 for an expansion pack to the biggest and worst failure in Blizzard's history, which is now on gamepass.

[@howard7997]

Any time they put a bigger game on game pass, you know a paid dlc is coming soon. And judging by the amount of players running around with glowy angel wings, the $90 prepurchase bundle is working.

[@robertg420]

Season 4 is the best version of Diablo 4 since launch (I have played since pre launch). People are enjoying all of the updates and the player count is higher than ever.

[@wesweeblez2190]

i LOVED new world, put in 200+hrs on beta and 750 hrs in the first 6 months... the game just failed..it was the absolute best leveling experience of any game EVER...the endgame died tho

[@RetroGameBasement]

I happened to get into this recently because of the Steam sale. I actually am really enjoying it. I hope the devs keep it going and console players become cross platform. I still see players in the game,and like you said, it's actually fun and hope more people get into it.

[@jasontomerlin]

I'm 100% a solo guy, this might actually be more appealing to me.

[@arklinmike]

They're suffering the same sort of issues other companies face when they're contracted out by a larger firm. There was an update a good while back that had the devs visibly frustrated at the way things were going - having their own work held back or revised. Embracer is a good group and the game has a good framework. Sure it is not necessarily great for PVP leaderboard players, who have really short game loyalty on any platform. Any. But the overall dynamic is a good one. However they still have to follow whatever AGS is telling them. What really gets me is the number of "content" streamers who've jumped on the bandwagon and are hammering away at it, because doing THAT is popular now. You're not savvy. Don't like it? Switch games. Go away.

[@Bob21463]

Please stop focusing on this MMO/ARPG crap. The game plays the same as it always did. Put pressure on devs by requesting content, roadmap, and accountability.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

Words are important asshole, if you lie to your players about the product, you deserve to be called out on that lie

[@shira2151]

I've been playing ff14 10 years at this point. Ff14 is an action MMO with co-op. Majority of the game is on rails and solo content play. Only time you'll play with anyone is dungeons, raids and trials Fr fr. Of course treasure maps and etc but that's not even close to important content. Main Scenario is just 30 hours of fetch quest every expansion and it's all solo and mind numbingly boring

[@Accuracy158]

Is it an MMO if there's only 150 hours on content? Or is it a sort of once and done action RPG? I put 260ish hours in Black Desert and Lost Ark basically as baby's first step in the water... Just enough to get an idea of how they work and then stopped playing them for various reason. I put 1300ish hours into ESO but now there isn't really enough to keep me interested and I'm not really that interested in mastering the combat. Everyone says they really liked New World but they only last around a month and then put it down.

[@enrikouji87]

remember when they said mounts wasen't possible, just to release mounts behind a dlc?! thats when i gave up on this game

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

I don't have any real problems with this announcement. I still think there's some massive problems with certain decisions for this game, but not these announcements. IMO the goal here is capture a new MMO crowd with New World... teens and young 20's first MMO, now on console... I think there's a negative connotation with MMO for some players because MMO = massive time sink. IMO they are trying to capture a mini-FFXIV ARR moment with this re-release. I think very few players have really played through the revamped story and I think it's better than most people realize... and to be fair, the game does play like a 3rd person ARPG. My actual problem with the game has to do with a progression item, Chromatic Seals, being locked behind gold. Many important gear upgrades require this item, but you can only buy one a day and they cost 5000g each, plus faction tokens (but the faction tokens can be aquired pretty easily IMO). Last time I was playing my gold supply was slowly diminishing because even though I played a ton I wouldn't passively make enough gold to cover the cost of these seals. It would take an hour or two of my time dedicated just for gold generation to afford the seals, and that's just not how I wanted to spend my time in game. Most people I knew who wanted to play competitively (territory control etc.) would just RMT. Maybe making gold has been made easier, but that's not really my point... these seals were an important part of upgrading gear, and there's already a daily throttle built into them. Doubling down and making it also into a gold sink is really bad design. Gold sinks and other progression bottlenecks should not be tied to each other for something that's needed pretty often. I don't have a problem with the gold cost or the time limit of another item, Azoth Inductors, I think they are called because an Azoth inductor literally allowed you to make one perfect (3 perk) piece of gear every week... So a 1 week cooldown and a 25k cost does make sense, but I never even got to consider buying these because I never had enough to buy both the Chromatic Seals and the Azoth Inductors. Anyway.. my actual hope for New World, and the only reason I might play it again, is that my son lives in Germany and we play video games together about once a week...he's on Xbox and I'm on PC. If I can get him interested in a game like this it would be a lot more fun than playing Rocket League for 6 hours (for me at least).... However, I only give him like a 30% chance that he'll actually like the game enough to want to play it much.

[@frankjr.3916]

I would really like to get into a new MMO. Is it too late for me?

[@Redbeardflynn]

Always plenty of time. For new world specifically I think they may be doing some fresh start servers. Older mmos often do a lot of progression server types that start over. Really just comes down to what you're looking for in an mmo

[@esmolol4091]

Play wow classic. It's still phantastic. And if you have no life, wife, children and a lot of money to burn, play black desert online and enjoy the best combat of ANY mmo out there.

[@Vaynthegreat]

in all honesty, i wouldnt come back to this game if they offered to pay me. :/

[@sarphusgaming3542]

The announcement was clearly an appeal to a new market (console). The communication was terrible as you said. I think it will bring a lot more players into the game though. They announced a GS increase for existing players to work on but didn't mention crafting skill increases. I suspect it will be like umbral shards and down the road they'll do crafting updates for the jump to 800 GS gear. So basically the new 10 man raid will be a way to get the new umbral shards.

[@cit9915]

I’ve only played the beta so I don’t understand your hate. They are “tone deaf” because it is being marketed as both an mmo and rpg? So you will be content if they put it together AMMORPG? Just rolls right off the tongue.

[@Redbeardflynn]

You're kind of specifically the audience they're targeting with the rebrand. By changing the name of the game, the way they market the genre of the game and getting PC players who didn't pay for the xpac to pay again they're abandoning one market for the other. This game is 3 years old at this point.

[@cit9915]

@@Redbeardflynn From what I understand the original flopped after the first couple months. Didn’t it kind of need a reboot and rebrand?

[@Redbeardflynn]

@cit9915 yes and no. It needed content and a dedicated push. They started down that route with several updates and an expansion and even saw a bump in players. They then promised players more content coming but the content coming ended up being the console rebranding. If they'd handled it all better I imagine rhe remaining pc players would have been more receptive instead They fumbled it terribly and are providing less content than expected.

[@ezequieltellez9082]

bro, no mater what you called it, its not a MMO because it is not MASSIVE multiplayer online, it is actually a Action RPG. They never get fix the big fighting system, ive got 3k+ hours in game, they never fix the problems. And when the servers start to collide (because of no ppl playing the game) they had the excellent idea of launching a PTW DLC, losing the rest of the ppl. They are just milking the game. The same will happend with ashes o creation, because its the same metodology. Also NA ppl need to stop saying "oh, i get 200 hours of content, so its ok to pay a PTW DLC, they need money" please stop simping big firms.

[@jordangoodoien2863]

IMO. This comes down to the perceived cost structures of those classifications. MMORPGs are often associated with either a mandatory or highly pushed subscription model. An ARPG usually has no extra cost or only an optional season pass. I’m sure they don’t want to turn away potential customers on the basis that their classification may include extra costs.